Microsoft is not planning to increase prices of Xbox Series X/S

I get what your saying but Xbox can easily increase their prices too.
Both consoles are still in very high demand and PS5 will still continue to sell like gangbusters even with the price increase.

People here will moan for anything. You'd get the same type of negativity and fake outrage if Sony increased retail price of PS5 by a buck fifty.
 

Javthusiast

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Uncle Phil going for the throat.
 

Kagey K

Banned
Uncle Phil going for the throat.
I just don't want to see them claw back too much marketshare too quickly.

I've liked MS being on the backfoot and working towards me as a consumer. It's brought me a shit ton of value and I worry that if gains start coming too quick, they will lose sight of it.

We saw it from the transition from the Ps2 to Ps3 from Sony, 360 to One from MS and now PS4 to 5 from Sony again.

I don't know what about being the leader turns them predatory, but it seems inevitable.
 

Kagey K

Banned
See my post above. Demand for PS5 is still absolutely insane in my region and I'm sure in many other territories and will remain so despite the price hike. I do agree with your other points though. Previous PS hierarchy set a very high bar during early days of PS4 and it remains to be seen if Jim can continue the momentum but all evidence show he's doing a decent job of it.
I don't know of your region supports PSDirect or not but it's been available for days there.

I've provided links recently where in my region (Canada) it was available for weeks. Haven't looked recently tho.
 
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Hoddi

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I get what your saying but Xbox can easily increase their prices too.
Both consoles are still in very high demand and PS5 will still continue to sell like gangbusters even with the price increase.

People here will moan for anything. You'd get the same type of negativity and fake outrage if Sony increased retail price of PS5 by a buck fifty.
And maybe they will at some point. Sony isn't doing this for shits and giggles but because they almost certainly have to.
 

Kagey K

Banned
And maybe they will at some point. Sony isn't doing this for shits and giggles but because they almost certainly have to.
They don't have to. They are most certainly not going bankrupt if they didn't.

They don't want to absorb the costs, and are choosing to pass it on directly instead of trying to make it back on software and accesories later.

There are always options, they took the easiest one.
 
I don't know of your region supports PSDirect or not but it's been available for days there.

I've provided links recently where in my region (Canada) it was available for weeks. Haven't looked recently tho.
Seems to be always available some way or another via PS Direct but retailers here are starved of stock.

I've made numerous calls to my local retailers for console availability and they never any. Nor do they know when they'll be getting more consoles. Got told by one to follow their Facebook page for updates on console availability. Told them to get fucked.

I've got a gaming PC so It doesn't really bother me but there are issues getting hold of a PS5 and Series X to some extent.
 

Kagey K

Banned
Seems to be always available some way or another via PS Direct but retailers here are starved of stock.

I've made numerous calls to my local retailers for console availability and they never any. Nor do they know when they'll be getting more consoles. Got told by one to follow their Facebook page for updates on console availability. Told them to get fucked.

I've got a gaming PC so It doesn't really bother me but there are issues getting hold of a PS5 and Series X to some extent.
In Canada we can't get PS Direct, the places it was available here were usually Costco or The Source (formerly Radio Shack) with Walmart, Best Buy and Gamestop getting drops in between.
 

Hoddi

Member
They don't have to. They are most certainly not going bankrupt if they didn't.

They don't want to absorb the costs, and are choosing to pass it on directly instead of trying to make it back on software and accesories later.

There are always options, they took the easiest one.
I don't have any strong opinion on this. But raising prices doesn't usually benefit the vendor if it keeps more consumers out of his ecosystem.
 

Kagey K

Banned
I don't have any strong opinion on this. But raising prices doesn't usually benefit the vendor if it keeps more consumers out of his ecosystem.
That's where the vendor assumes loyalty and thinks they can charge whatever they want and people will still buy it.

I can't say they are wrong, based on a lot of opinions vocalize here and on Twitter.

If they think they can get away with it they will try.
 
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supernova8

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Microsoft could have exploited this a little more (mini revenge for the $399 and used games mic drop during the PS4/Xbox One era) by saying:

"Just in case you wondering....our prices will stay the same but for a limited time, every Xbox Series S/X purchase will come with two free months of Game Pass.
It's not a massive deal but it works out to a saving of about $20, and who doesn't like getting $20 worth of services for free? Come and join the Xbox family, (the water's lovely!)"


Or something along those lines. They could even run a TV ad campaign. I want to see some Mac vs PC style ad campaigns.
 
Microsoft could have exploited this a little more (mini revenge for the $399 and used games mic drop during the PS4/Xbox One era) by saying:

"Just in case you wondering....our prices will stay the same but for a limited time, every Xbox Series S/X purchase will come with two free months of Game Pass.
It's not a massive deal but it works out to a saving of about $20, and who doesn't like getting $20 worth of services for free? Come and join the Xbox family, (the water's lovely!)"


Or something along those lines. They could even run a TV ad campaign. I want to see some Mac vs PC style ad campaigns.
100%. MS needs to pull a Sony and embarrass them with this move. Go for the throat.
 

supernova8

Member
The mental gymnastics and damage control is astounding.

It's not even that. The Xbox business as a whole is just not nearly as big a money spinner for Microsoft as a whole. It accounts for about half of Sony's companywide profits so of course Sony is going to be more on edge about declining margins for Playstations. Of course I don't like it and I don't support. Objectively looking at the two businesses, you can see one side has significantly more financial leeway to eat the lower margins/loss on each console for a period.

As for Nintendo, I'm not sure why they haven't raised prices but presumably it's because the Switch has been out so long now they think they wouldn't get a pass for it as well as that they are probably making a decent clean profit on each console anyway (rather than Playstation and Xbox likely losing on each one without software attach). Also, considering how they got burned with the 3DS (initially) being too expensive and having crap sales, they're probably weary of going crazy with pricing.
 
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supernova8

Member
100%. MS needs to pull a Sony and embarrass them with this move. Go for the throat.

Full disclosure, I still want a PS5 but I'm all for Microsoft going for the throat and embarrassing Playstation if it means we get more of those first-party next-gen-only PS5 exclusives sooner (read: competition is good for everyone!).
 
Full disclosure, I still want a PS5 but I'm all for Microsoft going for the throat and embarrassing Playstation if it means we get more of those first-party next-gen-only PS5 exclusives sooner (read: competition is good for everyone!).
I plan to eventually get both consoles. If I were in Phil's shoes, I would seize the opportunity as Sony did during that epic E3 trainwreck for MS.
 

ZehDon

Member
You expect a userbase north of 114 million carried over from PS4 with crazy high attach rates to start shifting to rival platforms. It will take a series of major missteps by Jim Ryan and co to even nudge any portion of that userbase in another direction...
You're making the same mistake Don Mattrick made with the Xbox One: your last gen install base is not your next gen install base. Either you deliver or folks will jump. I have two PS4's, one of which is a Pro, and I do not own a PS5. Sony priced me out of their day one exclusives (AUD$125.00 in Australia). So, if I'm already forced to wait, then I might as well wait for the PS5 revisions and then see if they have enough games on the cheap to entice a purchase at that time. On the other side, Xbox are tripping over themselves to give me games. Hell, my Xbox Series X has been my PS1 emulation machine of choice for a little while now. Sony are missing shots they shouldn't be in order to make bank. For the core like me, they're already costing themselves sales. There isn't an infinite amount of money in the market. AUD$799.00 for a PS5 is going to push more than a few people into green rats' nest, where Game Pass is waiting to hand them more games than they can play. Once larger titles like Call of Duty start landing on Game Pass, I think Jimbo's "PlayStaton Tax" is going to hurt more than it makes. Of course, I've been wrong before and very well could be off the mark.
 

akimbo009

Gold Member
That's where the vendor assumes loyalty and thinks they can charge whatever they want and people will still buy it.

I can't say they are wrong, based on a lot of opinions vocalize here and on Twitter.

If they think they can get away with it they will try.
This place and Twitter are wrong.
 

Sosokrates

Report me if I continue to console war
Nope they will push even more stuff back. Only exclusive you're getting is Starfield, Forza and Redfall.
Games getting delayed is certainly a possibility, but even those 3 is pretty good. But hopefully we will see more.
 

hemo memo

Gold Member
No surprise here. MS can afford to keep burning the money to try catch up Sony and Nintendo.
Or the most likely scenario is that MS is not greedy towards its fan base outside Murica unlike Sony who DOES know that sales goes to scalpers anyway so people need to buy the console overpriced as is and they still increased the price.

For The Rich Players is a more suitable slogan.
 

Tams

Member
1. A lacking of understanding of basic economics in this thread.
2. Microsoft can't really afford to increase the price of the Xbox, at least outside of the US.
 

hemo memo

Gold Member
Yay, Not that Xbox has any new games to buy right now, but Yay anyway.
They don’t have to. They can open Gamepass and choose or wait for 1st party to drop day 1 or their previous gen games.

Something Sony failed miserably at because backward compatibility doesn’t bring money and they don’t care about goodwill or strategic future thinking and that’s is why Sony classic offer for its service is pathetic.

What is more pathetic is that fans instead of drilling Sony for a change, they keep defending them because of the stupid console war and extreme attachment to a fucking plastic box.
 

Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
And maybe they will at some point. Sony isn't doing this for shits and giggles but because they almost certainly have to.
Either Ryan is delusional to the point of needing to be ousted or yes they have to in order to be able to continue to strongly compete instead of having to cut things (they are still hiring in an otherwise spreading coding freeze and most of their workforce lives in high wages territories, compared to Nintendo for example).

MS is choosing to absorb the costs for now, but it is more like they can do so much more easily. People paraded their infinite non gaming related Azure/Office/etc… warchest for years and did not even flinch when they acquired two published in the last year and a half for $70+ Billion and they are now choosing to see it as “greedy David vs generous Goliath”… 🤷‍♂️.

Edit: thank you Riky Riky for the reaction score boost.
 
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phil_t98

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Either Ryan is delusional to the point of needing to be ousted or yes they have to in order to be able to continue to strongly compete instead of having to cut things (they are still hiring in an otherwise spreading coding freeze and most of their workforce lives in high wages territories, compared to Nintendo for example).

MS is choosing to absorb the costs for now, but it is more like they can do so much more easily. People paraded their infinite non gaming related Azure/Office/etc… warchest for years and did not even flinch when they acquired two published in the last year and a half for $70+ Billion and they are now choosing to see it as “greedy David vs generous Goliath”… 🤷‍♂️.

do you know Microsoft absorbing the costs right now?

you keep brining up about Microsoft spending 70billion , yes there have but its not like Sony isn't spending billions on buying companies either.

the company who is spending more is more consumer friendly to
 

The_Mike

I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
1. A lacking of understanding of basic economics in this thread.
2. Microsoft can't really afford to increase the price of the Xbox, at least outside of the US.
You forgot that MS are scumbags for not increasing the price
 

Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
do you know Microsoft absorbing the costs right now?

you keep brining up about Microsoft spending 70billion , yes there have but its not like Sony isn't spending billions on buying companies either.
Not on the same scale and as you pointed out they made out of the gaming sector alone a lot more money, so a lot of that growth was won in gaming, it is not coming from other monopolies to subsidise that. You clearly have no direct response to that and just circle around “but Sony is not poor… but they are spending too” as if it was on the same scale :).
I am sure if you always take your buddies out with your parents money you do feel good and people like your generosity (SEGA fans felt a similar way with Sony on HW investments and subsidies, but it was not where near this scale and Sony was not buying publishers and making their long standing multiplatform games exclusives) ;)

the company who is spending more is more consumer friendly to
Yeah, the second part of this sentence is the effect of the first part.
 

phil_t98

Member
Not on the same scale and as you pointed out they made out of the gaming sector alone a lot more money, so a lot of that growth was won in gaming, it is not coming from other monopolies to subsidise that. You clearly have no direct response to that and just circle around “but Sony is not poor… but they are spending too” as if it was on the same scale :).
I am sure if you always take your buddies out with your parents money you do feel good and people like your generosity (SEGA fans felt a similar way with Sony on HW investments and subsidies, but it was not where near this scale and Sony was not buying publishers and making their long standing multiplatform games exclusives) ;)


Yeah, the second part of this sentence is the effect of the first part.

so before inflation started

Sony raises the prices of its game to £70
they charge for next gen upgrade £10

this yeah is predicted to make 2.2billion profit on playstation even after buying bungie for 3.2billion

and now raise the prices of the console everywhere except the US where xbox is strong.

in terms of HW components they go into long terms contracts with fixed prices to start with, remember they are paying way way way cheaper for parts than the public are because they buying in bulk in millions and that's how you get set prices no matter what
 

Riky

MSFT$
Not on the same scale and as you pointed out they made out of the gaming sector alone a lot more money, so a lot of that growth was won in gaming, it is not coming from other monopolies to subsidise that. You clearly have no direct response to that and just circle around “but Sony is not poor… but they are spending too” as if it was on the same scale :).
I am sure if you always take your buddies out with your parents money you do feel good and people like your generosity (SEGA fans felt a similar way with Sony on HW investments and subsidies, but it was not where near this scale and Sony was not buying publishers and making their long standing multiplatform games exclusives) ;)


Yeah, the second part of this sentence is the effect of the first part.

You still peddling this nonsensical argument as if where a company gets its money from is really relevant to the end consumer?

How did Sony fund the PS1?
How did Sony fund the PS4 after losing all the money and more they ever made from gaming on the PS3?
 

Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
You still peddling this nonsensical argument as if where a company gets its money from is really relevant to the end consumer?
You are free not to read it and reply or leave empathy emoji responses :).

How did Sony fund the PS1?
How did Sony fund the PS4 after losing all the money and more they ever made from gaming on the PS3?
Similar way, as I said subsidies are not unprecedented. PS1 was certainly not funded by existing revenues as they were 0. That is the problem when a richer incumbent comes in with more clout and more money in an existing market and it gets worse and market competition principles bending the more they flex their wallets to buy themselves space.
Sony did and does have debt and yes the rest of the company helped then to compete the recovery from the PS3 period (which was, despite what some journalists wanted to sell, real and led to the PS4 early mindshare instead of just focusing on the “they did not do anything right, Xbox messed up” mentality that followed with some people).

Again, if you put all the money invested in Xbox so far Vs all the money Sony put in PlayStation vs all the revenue each gaming business generated and you will still see a massive delta delta. Size in subsidies over time does matter.

If a competitor bigger and with more resources they can dedicate to gaming comes in and starts massively outspending MS and buying publishers/trying to cut their oxygen/games supply you will understand the situation more maybe?

Edit: Thanks for the reaction score boost Riky Riky :).
 
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Riky

MSFT$
You are free not to read it and reply or leave empathy emoji responses :).


Similar way, as I said subsidies are not unprecedented. PS1 was certainly not funded by existing revenues as they were 0. That is the problem when a richer incumbent comes in with more clout and more money in an existing market and it gets worse and market competition principles bending the more they flex their wallets to buy themselves space.
Sony did and does have debt and yes the rest of the company helped then to compete the recovery from the PS3 period (which was, despite what some journalists wanted to sell, real and led to the PS4 early mindshare instead of just focusing on the “they did not do anything right, Xbox messed up” mentality that followed with some people).

Again, if you put all the money invested in Xbox so far Vs all the money Sony put in PlayStation vs all the revenue each gaming business generated and you will still see a massive delta delta. Size in subsidies over time does matter.

If a competitor bigger and with more resources they can dedicate to gaming comes in and starts massively outspending MS and buying publishers/trying to cut their oxygen/games supply you will understand the situation more maybe?

Again nonsensical, so subsidies are ok up to an arbitrary limit that you set? How stupid is that? Tesco in the UK has a broadband, mobile phone and insurance business. Maybe they use those profits to keep the cost of food artificially lower, that's good for consumers no matter what and I don't see shoppers at Aldi complaining it's unfair.
Sony had to use millions to fund the PS1 and PS4 as they had no profits from gaming to do so, fact.
 

Banjo64

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And maybe they will at some point. Sony isn't doing this for shits and giggles but because they almost certainly have to.
They have 10b put aside for acquisitions and were making a profit on every disc PS5 as of August 2021.
 

Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
Again nonsensical, so subsidies are ok up to an arbitrary limit that you set? How stupid is that?
Whoa it is like the concept of how you do something is also important and not just what is lost on you. Must be fun seeing you argue in court about 1 murder vs a mass shooting. “Hey your honour, a kill is a kill, it just murder”.

Tesco in the UK has a broadband, mobile phone and insurance business. Maybe they use those profits to keep the cost of food artificially lower, that's good for consumers no matter what and I don't see shoppers at Aldi complaining it's unfair.
Maybe not 😂. You do not see Tesco stans going around talking about pro consumer moves as if Tesco was their friend in some cases and where Aldi or Lidl are opening stores to say that “for the sake of competition we hope people keep buying at Tesco because we all win if they are always neck and neck”… and it is the flip-flopping between “we need them neck and neck, pro competition folks ” when loosing and gloating and being glib while “flexing the subsidies wallet (totally pro competition right? Nope… but who cares, it is good for our camp lol)” when in a perceived position of strength and superiority that is hilarious. Fill your boots 😂.
 
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1. A lacking of understanding of basic economics in this thread.
2. Microsoft can't really afford to increase the price of the Xbox, at least outside of the US.


IIRC Series X is sold-out in most countries, even in Spain where XBOX consoles usually don't sell many units it's completely difficult to find a Series X, actually when new stock is advertised by social media it sells out in minutes.

MS can afford it, do they need it at this moment? Not at all, there's demand for their two models, so why raising prices? If anything Sony rising prices in many countries has given a virtual price-cut to Microsoft while selling at the same price.
 
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Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
They have 10b put aside for acquisitions and were making a profit on every disc PS5 as of August 2021.
Profit margin is important, $1 is still profit ;).

Then yes, they could invest their acquisition budget not to raise console prices, it is potentially a very hurtful choice when competing in this market and some could see it as shortsighted included their investors (Sony is a public company too).
 

Riky

MSFT$
Whoa it is like the concept of how you do something is also important and not just what is lost on you. Must be fun seeing you argue in court about 1 murder vs a mass shooting. “Hey your honour, a kill is a kill, it just murder”.


Maybe not 😂. You do not see Tesco stans going around talking about pro consumer moves as if Tesco was their friend in some cases and where Aldi or Lidl are opening stores to say that “for the sake of competition we hope people keep buying at Tesco because we all win if they are always neck and neck”… and it is the e flip flopping between “we need them neck and neck, pro competition folks ” when loosing and gloating and being glob when “flexing the subsidies wallet” when in a perceived position of strength and superiority that is hilarious. Fill your boots 😂.

I don't see how a murder trial is relevant. Both companies have used large amounts of money to enter and subsidise their gaming divisions, you just deciding one is ok and one isn't show how incredibly biased you are.

I've given you an example of another market and company that does exactly what you're claiming you have a problem with, it's obviously widespread and irrelevant to the end consumer.
 

Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
I don't see how a murder trial is relevant. Both companies have used large amounts of money to enter and subsidise their gaming divisions, you just deciding one is ok and one isn't show how incredibly biased you are.
I am saying both give reasons to the opposition fans for flexing their checkbooks (wrote far more but you cherry pick 🤷‍♂️), it does matter how much that happens, how that happens (there are laws against “dumping” for a reason too, I wonder why…), to what extent it happens. You sell your product at a loss at your restaurants vs buying out all suppliers that serve your competition is also different, but why use nuance?

I've given you an example of another market and company that does exactly what you're claiming you have a problem with, it's obviously widespread and irrelevant to the end consumer.
I also have you an example and commented on that. It might be irrelevant until that leads to another monopoly or close to it and then it becomes very very relevant 😂.
 

Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
At least according to the German constitution, many lives can not outweigh a single life. I know, weirdly off-topic.
Ok, murder someone in a moment of rage vs snipe 50 people calmly over the course of a week and see what the German justice system does ;)…. (Do not kill anyone: not endorsing nor suggesting it!!!!!)

Edit: Thank you Riky Riky for the reaction score boost.
 
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Riky

MSFT$
I am saying both give reasons to the opposition fans for flexing their checkbooks (wrote far more but you cherry pick 🤷‍♂️), it does matter how much that happens, how that happens (there are laws against “dumping” for a reason too, I wonder why…), to what extent it happens. You sell your product at a loss at your restaurants vs buying out all suppliers that serve your competition is also different, but why use nuance?


I also have you an example and commented on that. It might be irrelevant until that leads to another monopoly or close to it and then it becomes very very relevant 😂.

I don't think the boards of these companies care about " opposition fans" they are running a business with a long term vision, you obviously do though from your comments and that's a little bit sad.

If you're saying that Microsoft have broken the law then I suggest you get your evidence and provide it to a court, I wish you well with that, I get the feeling someone might have already looked it into it though, just a hunch.

I wouldn't be worried about a monopoly, there are people paid a lot of money to look into that possibility as they are doing right at this very minute in fact, checking Microsoft's gaming marketshare and they themselves admitting they will still be in third place after the purchase of Activision is complete I think you'll be ok.
 
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