Werewolfgrandma
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Microsoft had fewer units at launch because they were waiting for AMD specific technology
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Does he specify what "Full RDNA2" exactly means, what's the difference, and why that matters?
GHG
Member
Whatever it is it's not helping the two consoles they've released in terms of performance.
If only this guys products were as good as his sales pitches.
Blue Spring
Read my tears about xbox here --->
Damn, perfect damage control.
Not only is he damage controlling the sales numbers that will favour the PS5 but also the performance at the same time with a single lie.
Not only is he damage controlling the sales numbers that will favour the PS5 but also the performance at the same time with a single lie.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
I'll just say that PS5 numbers are about to drop and if they are significantly higher worldwide then this article will be pointed to as to the reason why. And just to preempt the Sony Pony shit, I'm sure Sony PR did this with PS3 when 360 was kicking its arse.
MastaKiiLA
Member
The wording of the statement seems dubious, or at least intentionally vague enough to slip past light scrutiny. You generally don't admit to a failure (getting outsold by your competitor), unless it serves a purpose. The purpose seems to be to pre-empt unfavorable sales numbers from the holidays. PS5 will most-likely outsell the XSX, based on his direct mention of Sony's head-start in production. The RDNA2 stuff is just PR spin, to deflect from the larger issue, which is they didn't get their production ramped up in time to muster a larger holiday launch. AMD didn't just finish their RDNA2 lineup before their presentation, the chips are finalized, prototyped, and QA'd to hell and back for months before a product reveal occurs. The XSX launch has all the hallmarks of a rushed launch, and you can't really spin that in a positive way, merely limit the negative impact in the news cycle.
Also, this is a Tom Warren article, and he's a known shill. It just further cements this as PR.
Also, this is a Tom Warren article, and he's a known shill. It just further cements this as PR.
NoMoChokeSJ
Banned
Everybody keeps claiming damage control... bit damage control of what? Console came out, is performing well, and with the exception of their Halo hiccup, it's moving along.
That comment should be framed and spam posted every time MS pretends they are not in a console sales war (or interested in console war arguments generally). In my humble and personal opinion that was a lifeline for people trying to argue Series S/X is better despite the lack of games at launch. You know you'll see arguments along the lines of:
"Those games have nothing on Full RDNA 2."
nikolino840
Member
Ok but I worked with prototypes and it takes time and a lot of rehearsals to get to the finished piece, and even when building the machine it takes more time and other tests.
And what then works on paper in practice happens not to work. (Happened in my factory LOL)
That's why you have to build before you start production
So it's not impossible that Microsoft waited for AMD to be ready with the finished product that Microsoft had requested before starting mass production of the consoles for sale or to be sent to youtubers (which I think some received the one with the prototype written behind)
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Not arguing that. Just disputing where people think the timelines are recent. Theses are things all companies and AMD themselves faced, and they were all done roughly around the same time as well.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Damage control as to why they don't have more console supply.
Great point! Every video game podcast I listen to has been saying MS doesn't care about console sales, yet here we are.
dano1
A Sheep
We started manufacturing late summer,” reveals Spencer. “We were a little bit later than the competition, because we were waiting for some specific AMD technology in our chip.
Well well I guess my la la land seems to be reality!!
That’s why you’re old school thinking would never make it these days
nowhat
Member
They totally need a new guy wearing gamer-friendly T-shirts to really sell the fact that he's "one of us".
Fitzchiv
Member
What you think they just sat on it for 12 months? 'FUD' is phrase of the moment on here, and for me it's applicable to posters like you.
geordiemp
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NoMoChokeSJ
Banned
Why would they need damage control over that? All they have to say is CoVid slowed down production of units, just like production of everything else in the world. Seems like a silly claim to me.
Fitzchiv
Member
geordiemp
Member
So, let me understand, is Phil FUD, or his tweet FUD, or am I FUD for posting a link to Phil spencers tweet,
Amaze us with your logic and powers of reasoning.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
That's all they should have said. You'd be right. Except they threw the "other" stuff in there to cover their butts for reasons I don't understand.
sircaw
Banned
STOP SPREADING FUD, who cares if the tweet is legit FFS.
KNOW YOUR PLACE, YOU DIRTY PS5 Peasant.
geordiemp
Member
STOP SPREADING FUD, who cares if the tweet is legit FFS.
KNOW YOUR PLACE, YOU DIRTY PS5 Peasant.
I might get a semi coherent sentence in reply, you can only hope.
sircaw
Banned
I might get a semi coherent sentence in reply, you can only hope.
Answer below
Fuck all chance
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Translation: so hey, as usual playstation is going to sell more than us so here's some fud to massage the sales numbers.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
He used an opportunity to throw in the "rDnA tOo" PR for his brand, nothing more. Instead of the mundane COVID response and all FABs being hit at up at once by more than just Sony and MS logistically. The dude is a master class marketeer, it's one of the many reasons he is where he is.
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AJUMP23
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Hayabusabruh
Member
You guys are going to hate Digital Foundry once they get dem tools.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
So all XSX are prototypes then!?
nowhat
Member
With the exception of John, they already are tools.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Not 20% better than the competition it isn't. And that’s the problem - which is why the forum continues to be a FUD battleground because there’s no clear winner.
I would look at the quote less as damage control and more as an effort to set the 1/1/21 narrative. Yes, he was responding to the shortages and making an excuse for it. But both companies are making these as fast as possible, with full knowledge that a customer will buy every single one that they get to retail before Xmas. If he was only interested in damage control you just point to Covid and no one bats an eye, and the conversation ends virtually immediately. This was, in my opinion, 100% an effort to get the MS base talking to their friends as to why they should get Series over PS5. It's not about the games man, its all about full rdna 2.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
And yet he hates "console tribalism". Yeah right. This feeds right into it. Phil knows what he's doing.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Wait, you mean if they didn't wait for this specific AMD tech to be ready then the PS5 would have even more of an advantage in head-to-heads? So in that sense it was a necessary sacrifice to ensure they didn't get completely left behind by Sony? Well I for one am glad they waited then.
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Fitzchiv
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Easy, you're FUD for knowingly implying Microsoft would sit on a finalised design for 12 months. You, and your fucking cheerleaders.
HeadsUp7Up
Member
The comments in these types of threads make me laugh on the outside and cry on the inside.
who would have guessed
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
This is simply pre-emptive damage control in view of when the first hard sales numbers start to come out.
Yes, it's true XSX and XSS development was behind the PS5 schedule, but we also know from Bloomberg that Xbox simply ordered significantly less units from TSMC than Sony did...
....and understandably so when there's no reasonable business justification for them following up after the poor selling XB1 with a plan to try and sell as many consoles as Sony's PS5 at launch. As a brand they haven't really grown in any region in terms of hardware sales over the past 6 years. Quite the opposite. So a more modest launch was always expected and planned for from the outset. Hence MS's focus on services like GamePass rather than console sales.
Yes, it's true XSX and XSS development was behind the PS5 schedule, but we also know from Bloomberg that Xbox simply ordered significantly less units from TSMC than Sony did...
....and understandably so when there's no reasonable business justification for them following up after the poor selling XB1 with a plan to try and sell as many consoles as Sony's PS5 at launch. As a brand they haven't really grown in any region in terms of hardware sales over the past 6 years. Quite the opposite. So a more modest launch was always expected and planned for from the outset. Hence MS's focus on services like GamePass rather than console sales.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
man this is troubling to read. hes not your friend.well last week i was hoping Phil will clarify things soon. Bam he is right on target. Thanks boss! I hope we stop the aggression and let developers unleash the power of Xbox.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
The bolded is also the part that Phil is being sneaky about. He's knows they ordered less units than Sony from the get go, yet he says this now....
Mitsuda Maniac
Member
Behind on tools, behind on hardware, games delayed. I'm beginning to think those that purchased a XBOX S/X got a very rushed product. Thank goodness it plays old games well
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
this.
I suspect sony is about to drop sales numbers soon and if the bloomberg articles were right, we are looking at 5 million sales already. MS was never going to match that.
AJUMP23
Gold Member
From a certain point of view Anakin Skywalker was dead.
PharaoTutAnchAmun
Member
So Phil is saying MS start the production a few (2) months later than Sony, then you can assume that the RDNA2 chip was fully realised by AMD and build in the Xbox Series X right? So it is not RDNA2 was not completely ready, cous it was otherwise they could not build in the final hardware. So its the "tools" afterall.
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