Zheph
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my main issue so far is how smooth the games are running on it, my eyes are still adapting.
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Microsoft had fewer units at launch because they were waiting for AMD specific technology
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FlyyGOD
Member
Ill take your word for it since you know more than the company that built the system.
AJUMP23
Gold Member
I just want you to make some more chips.
UltimaKilo
Gold Member
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
Phil Spencer, not only "Full RDNA 2", but also "FULL" damage control.
I love how their whole overhyped/overpromised twitter marketing "bla bla bla Power, bla bla bla 12TF" completely fallen apart.
That should be their new slogan "Keep waiting".
I love how their whole overhyped/overpromised twitter marketing "bla bla bla Power, bla bla bla 12TF" completely fallen apart.
That should be their new slogan "Keep waiting".
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
He has been caught lying so many times. I've no idea how you guys can believe a single word coming out of his mouth.
longdi
Banned
i read chinese, which part of that link says what you say?
no google translate, no Fud please.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
PR reasons. Plus, yes it's sold out but with how many units? That's the bigger question.
He's not lying about productivity. He's just not telling the truth or giving the full context with how console manufacturing works.
Why? Every console launch has some issues. But Sony had everything that they needed ready.
This is colossal bullshit imo.
They bragged about their hardware being ready last December, the FUD wanted Sony to be late because they were not showing their design and they were surely having melting consoles because of the last minute overclock and now.....it comes out it was the opposite?
I guess he's already trying to say not to look to much into early sales of the consoles....
They bragged about their hardware being ready last December, the FUD wanted Sony to be late because they were not showing their design and they were surely having melting consoles because of the last minute overclock and now.....it comes out it was the opposite?
I guess he's already trying to say not to look to much into early sales of the consoles....
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Team Andromeda
Member
It's not damage control but what MS did with their OG XBox and the 360.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
geordiemp
Member
Well it goes with the burgers you serve.
Some people are unhinged from reality on this forum. They can't make changes to the APU a few months before launch, that's not how this works. It takes a long time from final chip being confirmed to mass production, you can't be making 'last minute' changes. They would have never made the November launch and apparently sold over a million already if they were still making APU changes earlier this year.
AJUMP23
Gold Member
So lets be clear, you say you studied physics, I slyly compliment you with the idea that you put circuits on silicon and make chips, I repeat the joke, and ask for more chips that you say you know stuff about and somehow I serve burgers. The only thing I serve is dumb jokes. I don't need to show my credentials but you sir have earned thyself a rival. and by rival I mean a person that will not really think about it at all unless I have some dumb joke to make.
Other things I serve: My family, church, community. They all order from me in the drive thru.
oldergamer
Member
Stop talking about things in a vacuum. Just because verification was complete, does NOT mean there were not other hold ups related to manufacturing, process, or a multitude of other delays.
geordiemp
Member
I was just having a joke back, I know what you meant, It was a cheeky reposte I apologise .
I often joke with Sircaw that I polish the floors....
Its been a long day man.
reinking
Gold Member
Here's the thing... ..it doesn't really matter. The results are here. Yes, consoles will improve and the XBSX might improve more but I expected a lot more with all of the talk leading up to the launch. They way XB marketing was talking we were going to see a big gap between PS5 and XBSX. They went as far as taking shots at Sony at times. Maybe we will see this gap in the future maybe we won't but this is damage control either way.
I will say it again. I am glad I purchased my Series X with a clear head and based it on BC improvements and Game Pass for at least the first 12 months. If I had chosen it for new games I would be disappointed.
I will say it again. I am glad I purchased my Series X with a clear head and based it on BC improvements and Game Pass for at least the first 12 months. If I had chosen it for new games I would be disappointed.
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Chips go through several production stages with prototypes often tapped out several months before a retail stepping is produced. Phil having one in his house does not invalidate retail production only starting several months later.
The chip having AMD specific features they were waiting on can mean just that, no need to get all defensive and console war.
geordiemp
Member
Never said there would not be, the drivers and apis could take along time after to get right.
Looks like both Sony and Microsoft are still at it now, and might finish next year when we beta test for them
nowhat
Member
I think it should have become obvious by now - it's not the TF but how you use it.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
So why doesn't MS create consoles with a more clear pathway to it being finished on time? To me, this is clear damage control. Is it just impossible to applaud Sony for having many more consoles at launch without having excuses for MS?
dano1
A Sheep
Why can’t you? If AMD told them we have something coming next year that’s better and it will fit in without any problems. You would be dumb not too!!
Michael Hawk
Member
Agreed, it's why when they revealed Halo Infinite the full power of RDNA 2 was on display.
Because we don't live in la la land. In real life, there are a lot of steps and procedures that have to be taken from the moment the silicon is locked in place to when a console can be shipped and sold. It is not possible for them to be adding things to the APU within months of mass producing them. If someone talks about making 'last minute' changes, the absolute latest it can be is like a year before launch and even then the change would be to the RAM or something outside the APU.
RaySoft
Member
If they didn't wait for rdna2 PC GPU parity, the whole reason of the Xbox Series is kinda useless, isn't it?
nikolino840
Member
Of course,what time do you think need for projects,prototypes,manufacturing tests,doing some changes etc...?They had pictures of the completed APU as far back as late December early January.
How soon we forget.
Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD
Nothing much. Bookmakers were angling for an early scuffle between X and V. MS won CES by virtue of V not showing up. Technically Sony took a peek and chickened out at the last moment. Phil and Major Nelson continued their victory lap over twitter, taunting the weakness of Sony, by showing a...www.neogaf.com
And..if i told you that amd had rdna2 chips in the factory even before the announcements?
Have working units months before doesn't mean anything
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Panajev2001a
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oldergamer
Member
I don't think they were talking about drivers though, but specific hardware. We actually don't know what hardware this was, or what it does. It may not be the CPU or GPU he is talking about.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
But it's not like they waited "without" knowing what the time schedule was. This wasn't some last-minute change in the road map by AMD or MS. So this shouldn't have been a problem at all.
AJUMP23
Gold Member
ignoregeordiemp , he is a shit stirrer and a troll.
we have asked him for patents link which he never provided
we have asked him for his tsmc credentials, which he never provided
i asked him about the chinese taipei link, which he never provided.
What I hear you saying is
geordiemp
has no receipts.
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
Well quick question
are you a playstation fan? If so yes hes lying and evil
are you an xbox fan? If yes hes for sure telling the truth
are you not a moron? who know its all pr and most of everything anyone says about this shit can only barely be considered truthful
Entroyp
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
You're late to the game, thread has been covering that.
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Sejanus
Member
Sure, but first impressions it's important for marketing purposes.
JackMcGunns
Member
I'm not sure why everyone keeps arguing for or against, just take the news as is, time will reveal all. At the end of the day, if you don't have any evidence for or against, you'll end up looking pretty dumb in the future.
mejin
Member
The company has the public it deserves and vice versa.
That doesn't seem like a quick question.
AJUMP23
Gold Member
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If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
On this forum, everything he says is a lie. In reality, this is 100% true.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
It takes ~2 years to go from finalising the specs/features of the HW to launch. Phil talking about waiting for chip feature(s) from AMD in the context of being a little late in starting manufacturing in late summer this year compared to PS5 (reports came out in mid-May for XSX production start I seem to remember?) makes little sense to me. The chip was certainly signed off/design complete in 2019 and wouldn't affect the start date of manufacturing a year later.
I get there will always be PR damage control (Jim Ryan does it too) but this is a little too cringe for me.
I get there will always be PR damage control (Jim Ryan does it too) but this is a little too cringe for me.