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News Sales-Age Marvel’s Guardians Of The Galaxy Sells Most On PS5 In UK Physical Game Chart

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This is one thing I don’t get with what’s going on, what’s happened to the pa4 and Xbox fanbase theyve literally fallen off a cliff. No one is buying last gen versions of games. You’d think they would hang around longer with what’s going on.
 
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This is one thing I don’t get with what’s going on, what’s happened to the pa4 and Xbox fanbase theyve literally fallen off a cliff. No one is buying last gen versions of games. You’d think they would hang around longer with what’s going on.
Yeah they have, which is why its frustrating that cross gen doesnt look like its going away anytime soon.

I mean XB1 isnt even in production anymore, and i'm on PC but if iwas on XB1 or PS4, i wouldnt be buying games anymore unless it was a game i was desperate to play. I'd just wait until i got a PS5 or XSX. I bet there are a lot of last gen owners that are thinking the same. Plus there will also be a fair amount of them that have PC's too and maybe will buy on PC until they buy a new console.
 
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This is one thing I don’t get with what’s going on, what’s happened to the pa4 and Xbox fanbase theyve literally fallen off a cliff. No one is buying last gen versions of games. You’d think they would hang around longer with what’s going on.

Does Sony do ps5 vs ps4 digital sales or was it another split? I wonder what games those ps4 only users are playing.
 

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While Gamepass means a lot of Xbox owners have a lot of games to play and might lead to some reduction in day one sales, the other factors
- High Series S sales (no disk drive) means fewer retail purchases and higher digital purchases.

- overall significantly lower Xbox Series install base compared to PS5.

Are probably bigger drivers for the split imbalance. We'd need to see digital sales to get a true picture.
 
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Yeah, I mean ps5 is wiping the floor with Xbox in the uk. I think there’s been like 3 series x drops in the last 6 months while ps5 seems to be every week or every other week at least.
 
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Then take into account that XSS sales are what?, 40% total Series sales i think the financials said, and there was a thread on here a while ago saying that the the PS5 split between physical consoles and the digital consoles was 90/10 if i remember right as I guess Sony are making more money on the physical console so are making way more of them.
It was already posted on a previous thread that if you look at Amazon.co.uk reviews the split is:

- XSS vs XSX: 53.9% XSS - 46.1% XSX
- PS5 DE vs PS5: 16.2% PS5 DE - 83.8% PS5

Of course it’s just Amazon data so it might be different for other retailers but I think it gives a basic idea.
 

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This is one thing I don’t get with what’s going on, what’s happened to the pa4 and Xbox fanbase theyve literally fallen off a cliff. No one is buying last gen versions of games. You’d think they would hang around longer with what’s going on.
I’m guessing it’s only a couple of percent of the userbase who buy games day 1, especially physical copies, the rest will wait for sales or buy used or buy digital or simply impulse bought the console but don’t play much anymore.

It’ll be interesting to see Halo Infinite sales next month. It’s not like 60 million Xbox One owners are waiting to play Halo Infinite day 1, but I can imagine that we’ll see a healthy boost for the XB1 version compared to the XSX version considering how big the game is and how hard it is to buy the new console.
 
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mean Playstation users were already at 71% digital a year ago or whenever that article eas dated, and are probably pushing 75% digitsl today, if not more.
Isn't this figure about all games that has been sold on the platform, so it includes massive amount of digital only games? For games with physical release split should be significantly lower, maybe near 50/50 or something like that. Physical market is obviously shrinking but it still significant part of games' sales.
 

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Shocking news. Console with biggest install base sells most copies.

Out of all the pointless things to console war over, physical game sales in uk is right up there with who shipped with the longest usb cable in terms of importance.
Literally makes zero sense, arnt digital sales bigger now than physical including the fact you can have a huge percentage of sold on Playstation but still equates to like 15k copies sold.
 
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I’m guessing it’s only a couple of percent of the userbase who buy games day 1, especially physical copies, the rest will wait for sales or buy used or buy digital or simply impulse bought the console but don’t play much anymore.

It’ll be interesting to see Halo Infinite sales next month. It’s not like 60 million Xbox One owners are waiting to play Halo Infinite day 1, but I can imagine that we’ll see a healthy boost for the XB1 version compared to the XSX version considering how big the game is and how hard it is to buy the new console.

I think we will only see a boost, if there are consoles to buy.

I imagine Halo & Forza are going to do more for gamepass than individual sales...but I could be completely wrong.
 

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I think we will only see a boost, if there are consoles to buy.

I imagine Halo & Forza are going to do more for gamepass than individual sales...but I could be completely wrong.
Reportedly, Microsoft has significantly more console stock planned for the holidays, mainly because of Halo & Forza. They expect to move some consoles.
 

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Your assumption I don’t “like” the numbers is CONSOLE WARRIOR bs.

I own and play all platforms. Who would even care which platforms sells more? People who should be banned from Gaf that’s who.

i think it’s Silly post numbers of the smallest subset of sales from a small country.

it’s just seems so flawed and pointless.

Ban all the pathetic Console warriors.

Because NPD is a near complete report of NA sales.

Same as Media Create for Japan.

Gameindustrybiz is the only one that aggregates sales, but misses a large chunk of the market. (Digital)

If they ever do start to show a more complete picture of the industry in the UK, people will take it a lot more seriously.

isn't about liking or not ...is like i post here Returnal physical sales in the main chain of electronic shops in italy (under 10k in more than 500 shops) it would make it look lots worst than it is and have basically no chance to get close to give an idea to who read about the truth of the sales final figure.

I'm sure that also in this cases the number is correct ...but those could be completely meaningless.
Btw im not complaining about the thread )) is ok to show data...I'm just giving an "ooookay *shrugs* " answer if someone want make this data mean something without other analysis
NPD doesn't include a near complete report. It's still a subset of data. It's still one country and it doesn't even include digital for a lot of big titles (Nintendo mostly). The UK is in the top 5, it's not a "small country".

Gameindustry.biz isn't the owner of gfk who track the sales. It's a news website. The fact that you don't even know this shows me you know very little about data tracking in Europe and you're just discrediting it without knowledge because you saw gameindustry.biz linked here as a 'source'.

Go ahead post returnal sales from an Italian store. Anybody impartial wouldn't care because they know exactly what the data represents.

The fact that people come in here saying it paints an incorrect or bad picture is what this is about. The data clearly says UK physical sales. Tell me the reason you don't like it being reported.
 

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This doesn’t even surprise me anymore. RE8, Hitman, Mass Effect, Tekken 7, FF15, MGS5, etc. PlayStation owners buy and play more games. I know people say XBOX owners will just wait for it to materialize on Gamepass or whatever, but it goes deeper than that and this has been going on way before Gamepass even came out.
 
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The fact that people come in here saying it paints an incorrect or bad picture is what this is about. The data clearly says UK physical sales. Tell me the reason you don't like it being reported.
The data is not representative of the gaming market. Even the gameindustry.biz guy ackwnoledges this, which is why he plans on starting to report digital sales in 2022.
 
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NPD doesn't include a near complete report. It's still a subset of data. It's still one country and it doesn't even include digital for a lot of big titles (Nintendo mostly). The UK is in the top 5, it's not a "small country".

Gameindustry.biz isn't the owner of gfk who track the sales. It's a news website. The fact that you don't even know this shows me you know very little about data tracking in Europe and you're just discrediting it without knowledge because you saw gameindustry.biz linked here as a 'source'.

Go ahead post returnal sales from an Italian store. Anybody impartial wouldn't care because they know exactly what the data represents.

The fact that people come in here saying it paints an incorrect or bad picture is what this is about. The data clearly says UK physical sales. Tell me the reason you don't like it being reported.
i didnt say that i don't like to show/read data I said that this could be completely irrilevants like the 10k of returnal in Italy or like a diagnosis from a doctor who checks only the body temperature to treat Ebola. I repeat : this data can mean everything and nothing. practically unusable especially in 2021
 
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After this week big earning calls, I might start adding the UK physical numbers into my dB so we can plot it uk sales ratio against company revenue ratio where applicable.

Valhalla UK physical first week was 60:40 if I remember correctly, Ubisoft’s Q4 2020 was 62:38. I do wonder what game/event happened in Q1 2021 cause that was alot more even.
 
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The data is not representative of the gaming market. Even the gameindustry.biz guy ackwnoledges this, which is why he plans on starting to report digital sales in 2022.
It's clearly representative of the UK physical market just as NPD is representative of the US gaming market minus a big chunk of digital sales and mobile and believe it or not no f2p games which make much more revenue. Is NPD also not representative?

Everything is just a subset of data but what it represents is clearly detailed. Stop being upset by that. I know why you specifically are.
 

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i didnt say that i don't like to show/read data I said that this could be completely irrilevants like the 10k of returnal in Italy or like a diagnosis from a doctor who checks only the body temperature to treat Ebola. I repeat : this data can mean everything and nothing. practically unusable especially in 2021
The UK physical market is not irrelevant. Please stop. This would be like saying xbox sales are irrelevant so don't report them because they make up a small fraction of total game sales. The UK physical market may be a small portion of the overall global market but it is not irrelevant in the slightest. I was replying to the guy who said why bother posting data if it's a subset of data.
 
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It's clearly representative of the UK physical market just as NPD is representative of the US gaming market minus a big chunk of digital sales and mobile and believe it or not no f2p games which make much more revenue. Is NPD also not representative?

Everything is just a subset of data but what it represents is clearly detailed. Stop being upset by that. I know why you specifically are.
Again, the gameindustry.biz guy himself is planning on changing his report methodology because physical isn't a good measure of the gaming market anymore.
 

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The UK physical market is not irrelevant. Please stop. This would be like saying xbox sales are irrelevant so don't report them because they make up a small fraction of total game sales. The UK physical market may be a small portion of the overall global market but it is not irrelevant in the slightest.
i didnt say that the UK market is irrelevant please stop putting words in my mouth that I did not say. I said that without analyzing the amount and knowing how many physical / digital consoles and how many digital games have sold this figure mean all or nothing. presented in this way is irrelevant (and it is objectively irrelevant). not the data itself.
 
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After this week big earning calls, I might start adding the UK physical numbers into my dB so we can plot it uk sales ratio against company revenue ratio where applicable.

Valhalla UK physical first week was 60:40 if I remember correctly, Ubisoft’s Q4 2020 was 62:38. I do wonder what game/event happened in Q1 2021 cause that was alot more even.
Interesting. IIRC, the overall sales digital vs. physical sales split in the UK is also 60:40.
 

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Again, the gameindustry.biz guy himself is planning on changing his report methodology because physical isn't a good measure of the gaming market anymore.
Who is the "gameindustry.biz guy"? In another article he discredits himself? Ok but he is reporting gfk numbers in this article and clearly states where digital isn't included in his numbers. They wouldn't even change the numbers much believe it or not. He gave percentage splits.
 
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Xbox is pretty much becoming a GamePass Box.

These sales splits are brutal. How long will this continue before AAA publishers start signing major deals with Playstation instead of Xbox as they know that PS gamers will actually buy their games day one?

GamePass seems to be a double edged sword. On one hand it's keeping Xbox relevant in the eyes of gamers who are looking for the best deal in gaming but on the other hand it's strangling Xbox's AAA third party sales.

I'm not sure if Microsoft intended for this to happen when they came up with the idea of GP.

Disagree. You don't know the digital sales (although it's practically given it sold more digitally on PS5 than xbox). One person above posted that 71% of the sales were digital vs hard copy of the game on PS platforms.

When I had my PS4 I was very much a retail copy kind of person but since switching to the Series consoles.... I almost exclusively buy my games digital. Its way more convenient for this type of console because your just used to it because of gamepass. My point is.... There's no point in solely looking at retail data anymore.
 
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If your console is selling twice as much as the competition, sometimes more....I would expect it to have twice as many sales.

Mos Def - Mathematics.

The issue here is, Microsoft could quickly fall into the category of getting half assed ports and I do think we are seeing it from smaller Devs. Why would you spend time doing anything but a quick dirty port on free next gen upgrades if the sales you will see from the back of it don't warrant it.
 

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Who is the "gameindustry.biz guy"? In another article he discredits himself? Ok but he is reporting gfk numbers in this article and clearly states where digital isn't included in his numbers. They wouldn't even change the numbers much believe it or not. He gave percentage splits.
 

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If your console is selling twice as much as the competition, sometimes more....I would expect it to have twice as many sales.

Mos Def - Mathematics.

The issue here is, Microsoft could quickly fall into the category of getting half assed ports and I do think we are seeing it from smaller Devs. Why would you spend time doing anything but a quick dirty port on free next gen upgrades if the sales you will see from the back of it don't warrant it.
Smaller devs will have to change their sales strategy, at least on Xbox. Either release on Gamepass day 1 or shortly after. This way everyone wins. It would also incentivize devs to make decent ports.
 

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Wow this game is amazing the voice acting, story, humor, graphics, a soundtrack that rivals vice citys. Sometimes it feels like im watching/playing another gotg movie. The only thing thats mediocore about this game is the combat. All the characters are on point, Drax had me cracking up all throughout the game.
 

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The UK physical market is not irrelevant. Please stop. This would be like saying xbox sales are irrelevant so don't report them because they make up a small fraction of total game sales. The UK physical market may be a small portion of the overall global market but it is not irrelevant in the slightest. I was replying to the guy who said why bother posting data if it's a subset of data.
Xbox sales are not less than 3% of the total market though. The issue isn’t the validity of the data point but people drawing trends out of the UK market itself for whatever purposes, that’s the irrelevant part. It’s a small, selected sample of data (as gets repeated every week :lollipop_grinning_sweat: )

NPD is also limited but the market it covers is way bigger.
 
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Xbox is pretty much becoming a GamePass Box.

These sales splits are brutal. How long will this continue before AAA publishers start signing major deals with Playstation instead of Xbox as they know that PS gamers will actually buy their games day one?

GamePass seems to be a double edged sword. On one hand it's keeping Xbox relevant in the eyes of gamers who are looking for the best deal in gaming but on the other hand it's strangling Xbox's AAA third party sales.

I'm not sure if Microsoft intended for this to happen when they came up with the idea of GP.

The hilarious thing about these type of posts is that they are lose-lose.

Either you know what you're doing and you're console warring for plastic boxes, or your telling the world you're not that bright.

Either way, it's an L :messenger_grinning:
 

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Physical sales are still around 30 or 40% of the entire market right?
Why wouldn't we talk about them?

I would ask what are you defining as the market? Sounding like a lawyer in the apple vs epic trial.

It's about 27.5% of console UK sales and then smaller when you include pc, I think closer to 21%. Doing the maths in my head at the moment.

 
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I would ask what are you defining as the market? Sounding like a lawyer in the apple vs epic trial.

It's about 27.5% of console UK sales and then smaller when you include pc, I think closer to 21%. Doing the maths in my head at the moment.

These threads are always PS vs Xbox (otherwise nobody would care), but 45% of the UK boxed software market belongs to the Switch. We're really talking about a tiny segment of the market here.
 

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I dont think we have UK PS5 sales numbers, and we certainly dont have Series console UK numbers, but i would guess PS5 is ahead at the moment, which would mean sales siding more with PS5 anyway.
Then take into account that XSS sales are what?, 40% total Series sales i think the financials said, and there was a thread on here a while ago saying that the the PS5 split between physical consoles and the digital consoles was 90/10 if i remember right as I guess Sony are making more money on the physical console so are making way more of them.
Then add in the fact that i would GUESS that the vast majority of people who bought a Series console also signed up for Gamepass, meaning that Xbox Series owners are probably way more settled in the digital sales market than PS5 where the majority of its sales have been the disk console.
Put it all together and i dont really see why any of this news is surprising.

I mean Playstation users were already at 71% digital a year ago or whenever that article eas dated, and are probably pushing 75% digitsl today, if not more. I wouldnt be surprised if Xbox users are 85% digital, maybe even 90% for the Series Xbox users anyway due to the high split of XSS owners, and probably Gamepass subscribers that have acclimatized many Xbox users to digital over the last 2 or 3 years.

I mean we will see it in a few months when we get 'bad' Forza Horizon 5 and Halo Infinite physical numbers, and then Microsoft will come out with their 5mil users, then 10mil users, etc, and on here we will get pages of posts like 'How can they have 10mil users when da UK physical thread showed da games only sold 5 copies!,. how can this beeeee!?!?!' :messenger_tears_of_joy:
Are 40% of Series consoles sold in the UK and Europe really the Series S?

It's been widely available at retailers for months, while the Series X sells out immediately so I doubt that is true.
 
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This doesn’t even surprising anymore. RE8, Hitman, Mass Effect, Tekken 7, FF15, MGS5, etc. PlayStation owners buy and play more games. I know people say XBOX owners will just wait for it to materialize on Gamepass or whatever, but it goes deeper than that and this has been going on way before Gamepass even came out.
I'm in the UK and have bought all all of those games mentioned on Xbox, as well as guardians for the galaxy and have had gamepass since near the beginning.

Guess what I bought them all digitally on Xbox, so I guess as I don't fit the narrative. Not only that but I've bought Returnal, Death Stranding, FFVII and Deathloop in physical formats, So I'm doubly skewing the stats.

This continued emphasis on UK boxed numbers only is weird.
 

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Xbox sales are not less than 3% of the total market though. The issue isn’t the validity of the data point but people drawing trends out of the UK market itself for whatever purposes, that’s the irrelevant part. It’s a small, selected sample of data (as gets repeated every week :lollipop_grinning_sweat: )

NPD is also limited but the market it covers is way bigger.
Neither are UK physical sales.They aren't 3%. People's contention seems to be that it's Physical but physical is near 30%. The xbox game sales market is actually significantly smaller than 30% so why completely throw physical sales out because digital isn't included. Why discuss xbox sales at all because it's even less than physical. The market also makes way more revenue from subscriptions and DLC than they do actual game sales as do giant f2p games why not just throw NPD data out too as it isn't representative of the market. It's all silly arguments.

It's representative of the data it claims to cover. People just need to stop trying to dismiss the data as meaningless or irrelevant and often why they do it is transparent.

Who has drawn anything other than splits for which I'm sure you have no data to counter it with if digital data was included even. Data actually shows it's really no different.
 
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Ok? So he tweeted he would have to change how he does his charts from 2022. He mentions how comparing total sales data (not splits) to previous entries would be hard to gauge in his original article too because past entries had a higher percentage of physical so comparing for example Fifa 2018 physical to Fifa 2021 physical to see how it did would get you meaningless results. What he doesn't say is "this gfk data is irrelevant and meaningless, the uk is a tiny market" which is what some of the usual suspects are doing here.
 
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Neither are UK physical sales.They aren't 3%. People's contention seems to be that it's Physical but physical is near 30%. The xbox game sales market is actually significantly smaller than 30% so why completely throw physical sales out because digital isn't included. Why discuss xbox sales at all because it's even less than physical. The market also makes way more revenue from subscriptions and DLC than they do actual game sales as do giant f2p games why not just throw NPD data out too as it isn't representative of the market. It's all silly arguments.

It's representative of the data it claims to cover. People just need to stop trying to dismiss the data as meaningless or irrelevant and often why they do it is transparent.

Who has drawn anything other than splits for which I'm sure you have no data to counter it with if digital data was included even. Data actually shows it's really no different.
Quoting myself from the other thread since it’s the same talk every week:


UK boxed sales yearly revenue in 2020 (seems to be calendar year): 646M GBP or 874M USD (GFK, 2020)
Estimated software and add-on sales for 2020 (fiscal year so not exactly the same timeframe) for the big three (there's no split between add-on and software as far as I know): 29.7B USD.

So the UK boxed sales market is in the very best scenario 2.93% of the market, and in reality probably even less.


This doesn’t include the PC market digital storefronts, and week 1 sales measured in those threads aren’t even representative of the whole physical market. So in reality it’s even less than that.

It is categorically less than 3% but if you have contradicting numbers let us know.

Also just to be clear:
It's representative of the data it claims to cover.
Well yes, which is the UK physical market, a sub segment of the UK market which itself is a sub segment of the global games market. No one is arguing otherwise.
 

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i love the "xbox gamers wait for game pass version" argument, yes cause gamers love waiting months if not years to play the latest games.

the truer reflection is that there are more ps5s in the uk than Series consoles, and xbox owners tend to be buying digitally more.
 

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i love the "xbox gamers wait for game pass version" argument, yes cause gamers love waiting months if not years to play the latest games.

the truer reflection is that there are more ps5s in the uk than Series consoles, and xbox owners tend to be buying digitally more.
Literally been one drop of Series X in the last 3 weeks where that has been over 30 drops of a good amount of PS5's and including the news they are deploying an absolute shitton in the UK for christmas.
 

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There's also nothing to gain from these discussions. This stuff is incredibly inconsequential to us as consumers, and it really only serves the purpose of console warring if we are being honest with ourselves.
At least it's something factual and not opinion-based. Playstation consoles and software are selling more. This is factual. The Switch is also selling a shit tone and was outselling them both for a long time.
 

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Quoting myself from the other thread since it’s the same talk every week:


UK boxed sales yearly revenue in 2020 (seems to be calendar year): 646M GBP or 874M USD (GFK, 2020)
Estimated software and add-on sales for 2020 (fiscal year so not exactly the same timeframe) for the big three (there's no split between add-on and software as far as I know): 29.7B USD.

So the UK boxed sales market is in the very best scenario 2.93% of the market, and in reality probably even less.


This doesn’t include the PC market digital storefronts, and week 1 sales measured in those threads aren’t even representative of the whole physical market. So in reality it’s even less than that.

It is categorically less than 3% but if you have contradicting numbers let us know.

Also just to be clear:

Well yes, which is the UK physical market, a sub segment of the UK market which itself is a sub segment of the global games market. No one is arguing otherwise.
😄 Sure 3% of the software and "add-on sales" market. The Microtransactions market is huge. Not included in NPD or Media create data either so I guess we can throw japan sales threads out the window too because what % do they make, 5%? and NPD too . This is what I mean by just accepting what the data is showing you. There is no need to include stuff that it doesn't claim to cover but it certainly doesn't make it any more meaningless than other data we get. Xbox digital+boxed sales in total is much much lower than the physical sales total still. Even as a percentage.
 
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😄 Sure 3% of the software and "add-on sales" market. The Microtransactions market is huge. Not included in NPD or Media create data either so I guess we can throw japan sales threads out the window too because what % do they make, 5%? and NPD too . This is what I mean by just accepting what the data is showing you. There is no need to include stuff that it doesn't claim to cover but it certainly doesn't make it any more meaningless than other data we get. Xbox digital+boxed sales in total is much much lower than the physical sales total still. Even as a percentage.
Interestingly, nobody ever tries to extrapolate JP data to the rest of the world and draw absolutely wild conclusions on the market share of Nintendo versus its competition, it only happens with UK numbers.

My point is the same since the beginning: the data is valid for what it covers, but what it covers is small, shrinking and specific to one market.

The argument about micro transactions is interesting too, if it’s that big doesn’t that make extrapolating UK data even more meaningless?