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LTTP in progress: NIER - Because Platinum Games is making the sequel.

jett

D-Member
By dubious popular demand:

Can you make a LTTP thread? You playing Nier 1 is a popcorn opportunity. We should do a poll as to whether you'll end up grudgingly loving it and getting all the endings, or at which part the game's quirks finally make you say fuck it and watch the endings on youtube

I'm not shitting on you here at all, I legitimately have no clue how you're going to like it because honestly it's such a clunky mess 90% of the time and I'm curious about your progress

I had already written down some impressions, but figured I'll do an in-progress thread of my experience. Maybe other people that have also decided to play it due to recent events can also post about their progress. Thanks to Not Spaceghost who was nice enough to lend me his copy! I've actually had it for three months but couldn't muster enough interest until recently. Yeah uh sorry about that. It's gonna be a pretty stream of consciousness kinda thing, don't expect much depth or analysis. :p I'll update as I go.

3 hours in
This is the second time I’ve tried playing the game. First time I lost interest about an hour earlier, but I wasn’t in the mood for a JRPG at the time. This time I’m really enjoying myself more. The combat is simple and a bit janky, but yet it remains kinda fun, relative to the action JRPG genre. Wasting enemies feels oddly satisfying in this game, despite not really requiring much skill. The pimp slap magic seems really OP compared to regular melee, but whatever, I don’t play RPGs for the challenge. So far it seems pretty “normal”, pretty standard fare. Except for whatever the hell Kaine is wearing. Seriously, what is that.
BTW, Pig-drifting is the best.

7 hours in
Junk Heap – Forest of Myth
The dungeon music in this game is bitching. Not sure if it actually fits, but who cares. Just experienced an escort mission, which totally sucked ass, because obviously. Thankfully the dungeon that came after that was pretty cool. I dig the overall variety in this game, it seems like there’s always something new around the corner. I'm not all tat sold on the bullet hell stuff in the game, maybe I'll come around to that, but it's neat enough. Like I said, I dig the variety. After I was done with that it seems like the next new thing to do was storytelling time. A “dungeon” turned out to be a literal text adventure with a third person narrator and everything. That was actually not only fairly cool, but also pretty well written. The text-styled side quests that were available after that however are nonsense. Speaking of side quests, they’re pretty terrible. I’ve been recommended to ignore them, but I just feel like I gotta do some of those, and it seems they’re your major source of income too. BTW, I wish upgrading your weapons didn’t require so much random bullshit, and that the place where you do it wasn’t far away from the hub area. Really jonesing for some fast travel right now. I think that’s what I like the least about the game so far. Not the inherent jank or the PS1.5-level graphics, but just traveling from place to place. It’s pretty dull. I got my Boar AE86, but still, it's the most annoying part of the game so far. Especially at first, it was like a never-ending bouncing between Popola's house and my own.

11 hours in
My little brother can't possibly be this skeletal

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You like Evangelion, don't you?
You like The Nightmare Before Christmas, don't you?
You like Berserk, don't you?
You like Final Fantasy, don't you?


So all kinds of shit happened. The supposedly big bad showed up, caused a game changer in the world and momentarily "winning". (coughberserk/finalfantasyvicough). One of my party members sacrificed herself by turning to stone to protect the rest of us. (coughfinalfantasyiv). Some massive fucking thing appeared that looked like the result of the unholy union between Lilith and Jack (cough...yeah you get it.) This is turning out to be a "greatest hits" of Yoko Taro's childhood memories, it seems. I don't know how to feel about that. I'm not usually a fan of derivative work, and this is kinda that. The animu quality voice acting and kinda crap execution doesn't really help the presentation of the game. I'm reminded of Xenogears a bit, in that that was another game that wore its inspirations on its sleeve.

But it's fun, it's enjoyable, and I'm digging how the game plays too. Good decision to hold the new weapon types until now, really changes the game after 10 hours of pretty much doing the same thing combat wise. Bought a super OP spear at this sad-ass town's store. Tearing through everything with a couple of hits at most. Thankfully I had some money from a few quests I actually did, just had to sell some 7K worth of crap I had no use for. The spear rush move is making this game cakewalk for now.

Kinda shitty that all of my incomplete quests were deemed failed. I mean, it makes logical sense, but it's still shitty. And this game doesn't seem very logical anyway!

I hadn't played a game from the weird japanese stuff genre while, so it's actually kinda refreshing to be honest, all niggles aside.

p.s. The people in this sad-ass town are real assholes. Right now I'm feeling like I would nuke it Fallout 3-style if I could.

THE END TIMES

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What if I told you someone ripped off my movie?

Well the story ended up being a mish-mash of half a dozen references from pop culture. I actually was kind of intrigued during the endgame, the problem with this game is that the execution of everything is pretty mediocre. This meathead's daughter has just been revived, who he has been searching for for five years, is lying there motionless, but he nonchalantly asks a dying book how's it hanging instead. This game has serious character issues. It's just super dumb.

Despite thinking it'd be the jankiest part of the game, I actually enjoyed the combat the most. Has a nice feel to it. Funniest thing about htat is that it's probably the one part of the game that will be completely tossed into the trashcan by Platinum Games, who's involvement is what made me play the game in the first place!

I'm looking forward to more weirdness in Nier Automata. I may or may not do the whole NG+ business. I usually reserve that for games that are mechanically impeccable. I really did enjoy this game. It felt like a throwback to the PS2 era.

I give it three tomatoes out of five watermelons.
 

Golnei

Member
That's less negative than I expected/hoped. Though if you're finding aspects of it tedious now, you really should consider ignoring weapon upgrading and most of the sidequests - they really aren't that necessary.
 

Ninjimbo

Member
That's what I enjoyed about the game the most: the fact that the game seems to switch styles on the fly.

Apart from the text adventure stuff, I also liked that callback to RE1 when you explore that mansion. I can't be the only that was starting to get creeped out during that portion of the game.
 

Setsu00

Member
That's less negative than I expected/hoped. Though if you're finding aspects of it tedious now, you really should consider ignoring weapon upgrading and most of the sidequests - they really aren't that necessary.

Some of the sidequests have incredible stories though.
 

Jisgsaw

Member
Speaking of side quests, they’re pretty terrible. I’ve been recommended to ignore them, but I just feel like I gotta do some of those, and it seems they’re your major source of income too.

Just do that.
There is only one (very) good side quest in the whole game, the rest is mostly garbage.
Don't sweat the upgrading too much either, the game isn't really hard
(well, except maybe the last boss in NG++...)
.

Do try to collect all weapons though, you'll need them for ending C and D (which is one of the best ending ever).
 

Chillz0r

Banned
Even if you are someone who usually doesnt go for all optional endings (like me) do go for it this time. Its worth it.

Other than that enjoy the ride, awesome game.
 

wmlk

Member
Make sure you do the tavern sidequest. Probably my favourite sidequest in any game. The reward is pretty unique and can't be measured by any in game stat.

Try not to look up what happens at the end of it, though.

But yeah, there are a few sidequests that are really good in unique ways. The tavern one, dog one, lighthouse stuff too. Those are probably my favourites. There are a few sidequests that make up for the majority of crap ones. I guess you could say that about every component in the game (other than the music, which is excellent throughout).
 

jett

D-Member
10 hours in.


Okay. Wat. Shit went down, apparently, and five years later passed by, for reasons. Okay then. I petrified Kaine, I'm not sure if these decisions really make a difference. This is like some sort of low-rent Berserk. Anyway, I'm enjoying this Bayonetta-like moments of the guy using his huge magical fist against bosses. Combat in this game is actually kinda fun. It doesn't have z-targeting, but the way the action stops with each hit reminds of Zelda. You can really tell Taro deep down wants to make his own Zelda game, even before his recent comment literally confirming it. :p

One weird thing is that I'm not getting any rumbling from the controller at all. Is that normal?
 

Jisgsaw

Member
One weird thing is that I'm not getting any rumbling from the controller at all. Is that normal?

Can't you activate it in the options?
I seem to recall to have some during my several runs.

You're finally getting to the interesting part of the game ;-)
 

Zukuu

Banned
Now the game begins to pick up speed, although the entire first playthrough is almost just a long "prequel" to the new game+.

You HAVE TO beat the game at least twice for the real NieR experience. Ending C/D are somewhat less impactful, although ending D might be the most ingenious thing I have ever seen in a video game and should be experienced FIRST HAND. I just got goosebumps thinking about it. I don't think a game will ever top that.

You start any NG+ at that halfway point you just got (5 year jump), and since you know everything you can finish it rather quickly, although Playthrough B adds new stuff to the game, so it will be a bit slower compared to C/D playthrough. Playthrough C/D just alter the ending. You can do ending C, reload and do ending D from the same save too, so in total you have to play the game 1x Full and 2x Half. Please do.
 
jett puttin me on blast

Appreciate you making this thread. Your impressions are fairly close to my own so far amusingly enough

"Low rent Berserk" alone justifies this thread's existence
 
I probably put around 30 hours or so into Nier a few years ago and I absolutely loved it, but I never finished it because I got distracted by other games. I still think back to it pretty regularly and wish that I had finished it, but it's been so long that I would probably want to just start the whole game over again >.>

Even so, I'm still mega-hyped for the sequel! I loved what I did play of Nier and Automata can only be better with based Platinum on board.
 

AwShucks

Member
I gave in a few years back due to Neogaf and got this for like $17 at the time. I claim it's the best $17 I've spent on a game. Yes the looks and gameplay is really just ok, but the story was worth it.

Honestly, same goes for Drakengard 3. I was afraid from the negative views of it. But other than the repetitive combat it ended up being a hell of a ride.
 
Great game. Really looking forward to the sequel with actually good battle gameplay

A “dungeon” turned out to be a literal text adventure with a third person narrator and everything. That was actually not only fairly cool, but also pretty well written. The text-styled side quests that were available after that however are nonsense.

I thought they were pretty cool. Especially that really fucked up one that was basically a torture porn. That girl had some issues
well, it's understandable once you understand the context and role of that forest but still
. It was funny how, if you talked to her after she woke up, she told you that people started avoiding her once she started telling people about that fucked up dream.

We should do a poll as to whether you'll end up grudgingly loving it and getting all the endings, or at which part the game's quirks finally make you say fuck it and watch the endings on youtube

omg yes please.
 

jett

D-Member
11 hours in
My little brother can't possibly be this skeletal

tumblr_m7l379IJ6z1r1yhdwo1_500.gif

You like Evangelion, don't you?
You like The Nightmare Before Christmas, don't you?
You like Berserk, don't you?
You like Final Fantasy, don't you?


So all kinds of shit happened. The supposedly big bad showed up, caused a game changer in the world and momentarily "winning". (coughberserk/finalfantasyvicough). One of my party members sacrificed herself by turning to stone to protect the rest of us. (coughfinalfantasyiv). Some massive fucking thing appeared that looked like the result of the unholy union between Lilith and Jack (cough...yeah you get it.) This is turning out to be a "greatest hits" of Yoko Taro's childhood memories, it seems. I don't know how to feel about that. I'm not usually a fan of derivative work, and this is kinda that. The animu quality voice acting and kinda crap execution doesn't really help the presentation of the game. I'm reminded of Xenogears a bit, in that that was another game that wore its inspirations on its sleeve.

But it's fun, it's enjoyable, and I'm digging how the game plays too. Good decision to hold the new weapon types until now, really changes the game after 10 hours of pretty much doing the same thing combat wise. Bought a super OP spear at this sad-ass town's store. Tearing through everything with a couple of hits at most. Thankfully I had some money from a few quests I actually did, just had to sell some 7K worth of crap I had no use for. The spear rush move is making this game cakewalk for now.

Kinda shitty that all of my incomplete quests were deemed failed. I mean, it makes logical sense, but it's still shitty. And this game doesn't seem very logical anyway!

I hadn't played a game from the weird japanese stuff genre while, so it's actually kinda refreshing to be honest, all niggles aside.

p.s. The people in this sad-ass town are real assholes. Right now I'm feeling like I would nuke it Fallout 3-style if I could.
 

Zukuu

Banned
Spear IS the best weapon in the game, although jumping 2h big-ass sword and swinging through 4+ enemies with the awesome hit feedack is more satisfying. I really recommend to try it out once.

If you like the spear, maybe you should visit the sand town and take a look at the Phoenix Spear you can buy there. Now THAT weapon makes the game trivial. :p
 
I still have this x360 Nier game here, but no console to play it (I kinda do... but my step son uses it and I don't want to take it for me to use it). Hopefully it's capable of being ran on Xbox One when I buy it.
 

Rolf NB

Member
I still have this x360 Nier game here, but no console to play it (I kinda do... but my step son uses it and I don't want to take it for me to use it). Hopefully it's capable of being ran on Xbox One when I buy it.
Nier is totally worth buying a PS3 for. Even if it's an Xbox version.
 

cj_iwakura

Member
Yeah, I had people sending me messages on PSN constantly as I played through the game asking me if it was me making those status messages.

Imagine if Drakengard 3 had done that.

Land of Seas my ass, HOW MANY OF THESE F***ERS ARE THERE?!


I have never heard of that. What's up with that exactly?

Every location you're at in the game updates your status with in-character quips, i.e. "On my way to the desert. What a wasteland..."
 

Zukuu

Banned
Just under what game you're playing when you're logged on, games say things like maybe what map you're on in Call of Duty or whatever. Well in Nier there was constant updates.

http://blog.hardcoregaming101.net/2011/07/nier-status-messages.html

Imagine if Drakengard 3 had done that.






Every location you're at in the game updates your status with in-character quips, i.e. "On my way to the desert. What a wasteland..."

Lol, I'm really a hardcore fan of NieR and finished it like 12 times or something, even got the platin trophy and have every NieR merchendise available, making up for my only collection of stuff I posses and I never noticed that (played PS3 version too). Holy shit that is awesome. The game gets better and better. :D
 
Lol, I'm really a hardcore fan of NieR and finished it like 12 times or something, even got the platin trophy and have every NieR merchendise available, making up for my only collection of stuff I posses and I never noticed that (played PS3 version too). Holy shit that is awesome. The game gets better and better. :D

I got the platinum too. It was amusing getting so many random messages from my friends who were confused and they also asked me about the game itself when I told them the game was doing it, not me.
 

SephLuis

Member
Imagine if Drakengard 3 had done that.

Every location you're at in the game updates your status with in-character quips, i.e. "On my way to the desert. What a wasteland..."

I seen some of those because of my friends playing it. And if Drakengard 3 had them, I think it would be hilarious.
 

jett

D-Member
"Kaine, I can clearly tell you just got impaled by a huge fucking spear straight through your heart...but are you all right!???"

Oh, some stuff is happening.
 

Zukuu

Banned
LOL great thread. I'll be joining the party for the same reason soon
Not played it yet? OUT. Heavy spoiler territory and this is a game where that GREATLY takes away from the "experience", since NieR is first and foremost a truly unique 'experience' and a game secondly. It's art that uses the medium 'game'.
 

Square2015

Member
Going from mostly just playing 16 and 32-bit JRPGs to trying this, should I make the jump to Nier?
I haven't played much current-gen (except for the FFXIII trilogy) and usually turned off by 3D gaming as of late but trying to get back into it.

Would it be a mistake to pick up Nier?
 

Zukuu

Banned
Going from mostly just playing 16 and 32-bit JRPGs to trying this, should I make the jump to Nier?
I haven't played much current-gen (except for the FFXIII trilogy) and usually turned off by 3D gaming as of late but trying to get back into it.

Would it be a mistake to pick up Nier?
Do you like story? Do you like deep characters? Do you like UNIQUENESS? Do you like GOAT OST? Do you value those things above graphics and gameplay? If yes, then that's the game for you.
 

PillarEN

Member
Going from mostly just playing 16 and 32-bit JRPGs to trying this, should I make the jump to Nier?
I haven't played much current-gen (except for the FFXIII trilogy) and usually turned off by 3D gaming as of late but trying to get back into it.

Would it be a mistake to pick up Nier?

It's an action RPG and the emphasis is definitely on the action when talking about gameplay. It's just that you will be weaker during your ending A playthrough and then feel stronger on subsequent playthroughs because your level and weapon of choice will be nice and high. Oh yeah there are magic spells but I don't remember if those are all acquired through game moments or if some need to be purchased(in game, not filthy dlc) to learn.
Then there are some other genres mixed in now and then to keep you on your toes.

There is a crazy but lovely story with unique characters (the characters are actually worth it alone, story is great though) and the best soundtrack of the generation.

If you aren't convinced though watch the ol classic Justin McElroy review. That will let you know how much to trust the review scores for this title. Lol
 

jett

D-Member
THE END TIMES

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What if I told you someone ripped off my movie?

Well the story ended up being a mish-mash of half a dozen references from pop culture. I actually was kind of intrigued during the endgame, the problem with this game is that the execution of everything is pretty mediocre. This meathead's daughter has just been revived, who he has been searching for for five years, is lying there motionless, but he nonchalantly asks a dying book how's it hanging instead. This game has serious character issues. It's just super dumb. That and the totes anime/japanese video game thang of perfectly calm characters suddenly going VILLAIN CRAZY at the turn of a dime.

Despite thinking it'd be the jankiest part of the game, I actually enjoyed the combat the most. Has a nice feel to it. Funniest thing about htat is that it's probably the one part of the game that will be completely tossed into the trashcan by Platinum Games, who's involvement is what made me play the game in the first place!

I'm looking forward to more weirdness in Nier Automata. I may or may not do the whole NG+ business. I usually reserve that for games that are mechanically impeccable. I really did enjoy this game. It felt like a throwback to the PS2 era. I think in the end this game's fundamental problem is that there's no challenge. For instance, it seemed like the final boss had some cool moves, but I squashed him rather quickly and easily. Oh well.

BTW, some time I ago I think I read something about Kaine being a dude or having a penis or something. Was that someone making shit up or is this something that will be revealed in another ending?
 

cj_iwakura

Member
THE END TIMES

4203256-6039769709-morph.png

What if I told you someone ripped off my movie?

Well the story ended up being a mish-mash of half a dozen references from pop culture. I actually was kind of intrigued during the endgame, the problem with this game is that the execution of everything is pretty mediocre. This meathead's daughter has just been revived, who he has been searching for for five years, is lying there motionless, but he nonchalantly asks a dying book how's it hanging instead. This game has serious character issues. It's just super dumb. That and the totes anime/japanese video game thang of perfectly calm characters suddenly going VILLAIN CRAZY at the turn of a dime.

Despite thinking it'd be the jankiest part of the game, I actually enjoyed the combat the most. Has a nice feel to it. Funniest thing about htat is that it's probably the one part of the game that will be completely tossed into the trashcan by Platinum Games, who's involvement is what made me play the game in the first place!

I'm looking forward to more weirdness in Nier Automata. I may or may not do the whole NG+ business. I usually reserve that for games that are mechanically impeccable. I really did enjoy this game. It felt like a throwback to the PS2 era. I think in the end this game's fundamental problem is that there's no challenge. For instance, it seemed like the final boss had some cool moves, but I squashed him rather quickly and easily. Oh well.

BTW, some time I ago I think I read something about Kaine being a dude or having a penis or something. Was that someone making shit up or is this something that will be revealed in another ending?
Start NG+. RIGHT NOW.

It is a whole different ballgame.

You'll learn more there. So much more.


You don't even redo the whole game, it starts from the midway point.
 

Jisgsaw

Member
I may or may not do the whole NG+ business. I usually reserve that for games that are mechanically impeccable.

You may have to do it if you want to be able to say "I finished Nier".
NG+ is a confusing term in Taro's games; they are more of a continuation / alternate version of the story than what I'm sure you're expecting this NG+ to be.

BTW, some time I ago I think I read something about Kaine being a dude or having a penis or something. Was that someone making shit up or is this something that will be revealed in another ending?

Like most of the background, it is sadly not directly in the game, but yeah.
Aside the research documents that Popola gave you (that I hope you read), the backstory is here:
https://docs.google.com/View?id=dgvmkf89_228fxgghgg3&pli=1
 
I started it a couple of months ago, my second attempt. It's a great game but I drifted away from it after a particularly long dungeon. Kinda fatigued me. And the colour palette is generally dismal and the story is kinda morose. But I will return to it coz I loves it.
 
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