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Jupiter's Legacy - new Netflix superhero series from Mark Millar (Kingsman, Kick-Ass, Ultimates)

TheAdlerian

Banned
Well I mean Netflix has the money.
But if instead of spending almost $300 mill on crappy Adam Sandler movies and $400 million on what is probably going to be a mediocre knives out sequel they spent it on good stuff, they might have had a better reputation by now.

Then again even when they invest the money it somehow doesn't show.
The Witcher was supposedly like $10 million pero episode which is pretty high for TV, and it somehow still looked like a CW show
I am guessing at this point that CGI isn't massively expensive and there's lots of options for making it.

So far this show is very low budget. They raided the wardrobe from the Great Gatsby and shot some scenes in a barn, and there's your season.

It's a classic cheap setup and a lot of Netflix shows are like that they take place in a house, the woods, etc. It's not right for a show like this which could be epic.

I was surprised that Disney kept the quality with their superhero TV shows.
 

Bitmap Frogs

Mr. Community
I agree with this!

I'm only to episode 5. I'm continuing to watch because the back story of the Dad and mystery of the Super powers is interesting.

It's the only thing worth watching. And it's actually interesting.

I'm starting to think I should fast forward the rest of the episode...
 

Hardensoul

Member
Yes, it's well acted and has a serious tone that I like and the backstory is interesting but eight episodes is bullshit for this kind of story. I have three episodes to go and I assume that it's going to be all backstory in a world that sounds extremely dangerous.

So, the extreme world is a footnote compared to a girl with daddy issues.

It's sort of good but it's a disguise for a way to make a cheap show.

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The daughter's story is so bad, I don't understand her motivation or un-motivation. She doesn't want to follow the family heritage but she sure loves to use her family heritage for work/notoriety.

Season is too short, always seems to be the issue with most stream services shows.
 
They need to poach some peeps over at HBO to get some quality back in to their content.
 

AJUMP23

Gold Member
I’m watching the first episode right now. I am sure it is building but after watching invincible it has some story ideas that it needs to live up to.
 

TheAdlerian

Banned
The daughter's story is so bad, I don't understand her motivation or un-motivation. She doesn't want to follow the family heritage but she sure loves to use her family heritage for work/notoriety.

Season is too short, always seems to be the issue with most stream services shows.
The short season thing is bullshit.

If you have a legit short story to tell, that's fine. But, I recall being shocked at the first season of Mandolorian, nothing much happened, end season one!

I thought that was a rip. Now if I want to watch something on Disney, or any service, I wait until the show is compete, subscribe, binge, cancel.

If they had longer shows I would sign up for longer periods.

Girl:

It's as if she's a politician or Celeb daughter who is spoiled and stressed by having to do some boring public life she didn't sign up for. That happens a lot in real life where a kid thinks their celeb parent is a fake and then does porn or whatever to show the world daddy didn't care. So, she would be fine in a similar situation.

But, according to this show, the family has fought things like "inter dimensional dragons" and antimatter reactor people, etc and this has been going on for a hundred years. Her dad wants her help and is saying they're a symbol of hope for humans and she's like, fuck you. I don't think the way they're telling her story makes sense logically given what this girl knows about life.

I could see if she wanted to run away for life due to stress, but telling everyone to fuck themselves in the face of extreme danger, where she is willing to let it happen, is strange. It seems like too forced a story about an immoral daughter. It's not fitting the setting.
 

TheAdlerian

Banned
I tried to watch Game of Thrones but it sucks.

I have an excellent attention span but it's another slow ass show where nothing happens. It also had corny costumes and sex scenes.

The dragon woman looks like her wing is wearing her. She has swarthy Italian or Jewish features and is wearing a platinum wig that does not fit her appearance at all. It's horrible.

Also, there's a lot of "sitting around" on that show mumbling.

It's a feature of many fantasy shows on HBO and Netflix. There will be something like The Witches of Northfall! and people sit around mumbling in some room and suddenly there's a black person who walks in even though it's 10,000 BC France in an alternate universe.

This shit is all cheap trash,lol.
 
I tried to watch Game of Thrones but it sucks.

I have an excellent attention span but it's another slow ass show where nothing happens. It also had corny costumes and sex scenes.

The dragon woman looks like her wing is wearing her. She has swarthy Italian or Jewish features and is wearing a platinum wig that does not fit her appearance at all. It's horrible.

Also, there's a lot of "sitting around" on that show mumbling.

It's a feature of many fantasy shows on HBO and Netflix. There will be something like The Witches of Northfall! and people sit around mumbling in some room and suddenly there's a black person who walks in even though it's 10,000 BC France in an alternate universe.

This shit is all cheap trash,lol.
That is perhaps the worst critique of Game of Thrones I've ever read.
 

Atrus

Gold Member
I don’t know a thing about the source material but found this show to be less about superheroes and more about the family drama and dysfunction, none of which is particularly unique.

Finished all the episodes and I didn’t like it. It’s like watching a poorly paced live-action Incredibles with the budget of a WB show like The Flash.

The actors try to do their best with what they’ve got and a side-story about how they got their powers has enough mystery and adventure to at least keep you partly invested from episode to episode but everything else is forgettable.

I can’t imagine the plot is true to the source material because nobody would have green lit this show if it was.
 

TheAdlerian

Banned
That is perhaps the worst critique of Game of Thrones I've ever read.
Haha!

I have tried to watch the show twice.

I got HBO Max for a bit to watch several new films, so I figured I'd make the most out of it and watch GOT.

This is the second time I tried and it's a deadly dull show with nothing interesting happening and very horrible dialogue. I am extremely forgiving and can find something good in the worst stuff, and it's too much for me.

I noticed this trend in other fantasy shows. His Dark Materials, A Witch HBO show, Shadow and Bone, Witcher, and several others all have very fantastic ideas going on, but the actuals shows are very slow with mumbled dialogue. They are like soap operas that have a fantasy title to make them an attractive soap opera.

For instance, there will be 40 minutes of mumbling about relationship intrigue then five minutes of a dragon or whatever will show up.

Meanwhile, a Netflix show The Last Kingdom has no fantasy but it has snappy dialogue and important things going on. Vikings on History Channel was like that as well, no real fantasy but lots going on although it was in the real world. Fantasy setting ought to be more exciting than the real world, not mumblefests.
 

nkarafo

Member
For instance, there will be 40 minutes of mumbling about relationship intrigue then five minutes of a dragon or whatever will show up.
I never understood this kind of thought. Why is it the only thing people care to see is action scenes and explosions? I see it all the time in forums and reviews about all kinds of shows and movies.

The best thing about Game of Thrones was it's universe and all the interactions between the characters and the "houses". The show has one of the best fantasy universes IMO and very interesting characters. Battles and dragons are great but part of it was because the build up to those events was good. If i don't care about the characters/universe, why would i care about the battles or the dragons?

8th season was shit because they focused more on the action and "things going on" as fast as possible so they tried to compress a shit ton of stuff into one season, ending major events the show was building up for years in single, standalone episodes. It ended up being one of the worst seasons in the history of TV shows.

I guess, if you wanted to watch a mainstream, Lord of the Rings clone, you would be disappointed. I didn't want to watch something like that so i loved it (until the 7th and 8th season).
 
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Hardensoul

Member
I liked the show but hesitant to recommend, I feel the season is too short. I didn't mind how the backstory was told, interweaving between present and past. The backstory and mystery of how the powers were gain kept me watching and was the most enjoyable for me.

A lot of things needed to be explained better and probably fix next season. The code of the Union? Needed to better explanation how/why it's needed. George aka Skyfox arc is interesting and needs more of it.

The casting of the OG heroes seem to be on point, I actually was surprised by Josh Duhammel's performance(I liked it, showed emotional range). George is the most interesting character, I really like the actors portrayal and Walter is good too. Present day characters not so much seem vanilla.

I had to spoil myself and looked up the source comic. Very intrigued for season 2, knowing what's coming up. I want to to say wait for Season 2 to start. But that's a chicken/egg situation.
 

TheAdlerian

Banned
I never understood this kind of thought. Why is it the only thing people care to see is action scenes and explosions? I see it all the time in forums and reviews about all kinds of shows and movies.

The best thing about Game of Thrones was it's universe and all the interactions between the characters and the "houses". The show has one of the best fantasy universes IMO and very interesting characters. Battles and dragons are great but part of it was because the build up to those events was good. If i don't care about the characters/universe, why would i care about the battles or the dragons?

8th season was shit because they focused more on the action and "things going on" as fast as possible so they tried to compress a shit ton of stuff into one season, ending major events the show was building up for years in single, standalone episodes. It ended up being one of the worst seasons in the history of TV shows.

I guess, if you wanted to watch a mainstream, Lord of the Rings clone, you would be disappointed. I didn't want to watch something like that so i loved it (until the 7th and 8th season).
You are dismissing my points because they are correct and you don't like it, lol.

I mentioned the Netflix show, Last Kingdom as being very good. That is historical and not about magic. The same goes for Vikings which is good but for entirely different reasons than Last Kingdom.

The reason those two shows are good is because they have a sense of URGENCY not "explosions" and whatnot. The writers write the scenes as if something important is going on. So, the dialogue is exciting and the actors act like something is happening. In real life, there's people right now in urgent situations where crazy things are in fact happening and everyone involved is on the edge.

What I hate about GOT and all the similar magic shows is that living in a world where supernatural events are occurring would be very intense high drama. But, the writers have people with English accents sitting at tables in a room mumbling then a few minutes of anything exciting happening happens. That is so unlikely because in real life more exciting things are happening than some show about witches.

In addition, the characters in most of these shows are so DULL. In the GOT shows I've seen all the actors were soap opera grave, and there's n lively or witty characters?! Why not?

The same goes for the other magic shows I've watched, no witty characters. So, someone is the best swordsman or the chosen one etc and they aren't full of life and funny or arrogant? Everyone has this mumble personality and I have to turn the sound up to 8,000 and I still only understand a couple of words.

The Witcher is totally boring for these reasons. That shocked me.
 

teezzy

Banned
Looks like a fucking CW show. The acting looks fucking awful, the dialog is bad (maybe it's more that the dialog is so bad that the acting look awful? I don't know) and the direction looks, like I said, CW-ish. I expect a mediocrity as per usual with Netflix shows.

I don't know if I can do this anymore. Neither can I generic Netflix diversity character, neither can I.

You say that like it's a bad thing

The creation of the Arrowverse was one of the greatest maneuvers of all time as far as television production is considered. People forget just how risky of a show Arrow was when it dropped.

Give me CW capeshit over more MCU crap any day
 

A.Romero

Member
I watched this over the weekend and liked it. Not the best TV I've ever seen and not as good as The Boys but still an interesting take on the super hero thing. I'll look for the comic and continue the story.

The main dilemma about the need of having a code is very interesting. There is this alternate story about what would have happened if Superman landed in the Soviet Union instead of the US. It turns out that Superman would grow to be a dictator that takes humankind to a very developed point but at expense of freedom. I feel shit like that makes you feel. Maybe I'm a bit sensitive because it's something Latin America has been through in the past with military dictatorships that actually solve a lot of issues but have a high human life cost and involves suppression of freedom and dissent.

The question is worth to be examined. In case someone had the power to dominate mankind, should he do it? Even if intentions are good, is it worth it?

FX are OK, serviceable and acting is not something special.
 

MastaKiiLA

Member
The Boys is a comedy and Jupiter is a relationship and family drama.

As I've said in another post, it's trying to be "realistic" but turns out not realistic due to ignoring the superhero world.

For instance, the main hero has a daughter and she feels smothered having to be part of a hero family. That's because they have a code of honor and she has no code of honor and is whorish. So she has "daddy issues" and is like fuck all of this!

That would be fine if they were the only superbeings and there were no real threats except average ones in the world. So, having to be better than human would be a burden to some people. However, they live in a world where there are serious MONSTERS to fight and crazy murderous superbeings, so her dad is right.

Meanwhile, this daughter is like "Oh, dad just wants me to save New York again, well fuck him and his pressure" while she does coke and modeling as people get death rayed into oblivion. My point is that her teenage attitude doesn't make much sense because the pressures her family put on her are about massive life and death issues. She would have to be retarded not to get it.

So, it's forced illogical drama about family issues in the face of being a superhero.
I watched it yesterday. I actually enjoyed it.

I think the father-daughter drama was a bit forced, probably due to the actress not being really great at properly conveying the angst and trauma that was supposed to have been compounding over decades. Maybe she's in the apathy phase now, but it didn't feel genuine. That and Duhamel isn't a particularly good actor, so his character feels rather flat and one-dimensional, due to his inability to convey a wider range of emotions.

However, I do find the struggle between the code and the justice they must dole out to be compelling. Unlike other superheroes, these ones do take some damage. Blackstar was handing them their asses due to the fact that Utopia, Paragon, and Lady Liberty weren't going all out on him. Heroes seem to die in every major skirmish, which can't be encouraging to the ranks that they keep needing to refill. We see that with some prominent members of the union declaring their intentions to leave. We also see it with cops, citizens, and other heroes lending support to the idea that the code is antiquated, and unsuited for the times they live in.

I think both sides end up being right. You can't have heroes lording over the population by force of strength, which is what would happen if they could kill with impunity. They would be the arbiters of justice. OTOH, you can't sustain a hero society where you fight at half strength, while the villains can just go balls-out trying to kill you, because there will come a hero as strong as Blackstar, who basically massacres a bunch of you. That's not a good recruitment strategy.

It's interesting to me. It touches on the ridiculousness of Superman and Batman's no killing policies, which is why the end of Man of Steel was so profound. When put up against the wall, Superman had to kill to save lives. Batman's weapons are so crazy in BvS, that you can't realistically expect people to walk away from those engagements.

I hope there's not a 1 year delay to part 2. It would be disappointing.
 

Kenpachii

Member
Finally finished it.

- Really like the cast, everybody seems to fit the role perfectly. And frankly as i got a drama sister it was really interesting to see the conflict between the Utopian and his daughter which was well executed and relatable as result.
- Really liked how they mixed the past and future into each other. I liked the past more. I think the sets and story and acting in there and wanted to see more from it.
- Everybody had interesting powers enough, the hero's dying like flies and conflicts where really well high lighted. It puts things in a more realistic perspective.
- I liked the journey to the island, really wanted to see that adventure.
- i liked the stories that interweaves with each other.

Issue's i had:

- journey to the island was simple way to rushed, i wanted to see some proper adventure there but it was shoehorned really fast. Which was a shame.
- It should be a mini series of 8 episodes with them going to that island quicker and have a proper adventure there.
- to much forced sex scenes that added nothing, and just makes it awkward to watch it with friends.
- Ending felt like they slapped in a whole lot of shit in order to get people interested in a second season. Really felt rushed and not worked out well. specially the moment they get there powers and boom done they control it directly.
- Old days are gone now i assume, something i rather hoped they kept alive or even migrated towards as the modern stuff is just not that interesting.

Anyway, will watch the second season when its out. Was surprised by it as the trailer was just terrible.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
I'm actually digging this show FAR more than I thought. It isn't YA trash. It lacks a certain.....focus though. There is no over arching threat or plot really, just family drama and a mystery box origin. I don't know why they felt the need to stretch everything from the 1930's to 2020 with these old old OLD fashioned characters mingling with hip new kids. Did they all make some pact to not fuck each other until the 1990's and then squatted out a pack of kids? Is there an entire "lost generation" from the 60's and 70's that all got killed?

I do like the 'Code'. I'm assuming it is a sly reference to the Comics Code of the 50's or whatever. But it makes a certain sense. If all these supers agree to a limited scope to their powers, minimize collateral damage, villains get locked up instead of executed, then it is more of a game for them. Once it goes to total war however, all bets are off and more folks start dying. I still wish just one of these shows would have supers using their powers for economic gain in an industrial capacity. Some one really needs to adapt Larry Correia's "Hard Magic" books because his supers are mostly just working stiffs (strong guys do construction, healers are doctors, etc) and all the fighting stuff takes place in a more limited context. So there isn't some unwritten mandate that if you have powers you are by default either a superhero or supervillain.

One thing this show does which is FANTASTIC is alter the aspect ratio for each time period. Modern is widescreen 1:2 or whatever (bars on top and bottom)while the past is 6:9 (fills the TV). THis, along with some aggressive color grading, makes each period instantly and better yet, subconsciously recognizable. I'm NEVER confused about which period it is, even in a shot without characters. They could do this one more with a 4:3 (bars on the side) ratio for another period. This lesson MUST be copied, as I've noped out of countless shows doing this flashback/forward heavy storytelling where it becomes a confusing mess to figure out when/where we are.
 

Krappadizzle

Gold Member
I thought it was kinda bad cheese, but I really really liked it. I'd love to see more of the 30's era introduction of super heroes to the world in a second season.

I recognize it as kinda of lower budget mediocre acting cheese fest, but for some reason I couldn't stop watching it.
 

R6Rider

Gold Member
Thought it was okay. A lot of the effects they applied during fight scenes were bad and the fights felt super cheesy overall. All of the major conflicts between characters are super cliche.
 

poppabk

Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
I enjoyed it although the season was way to short. The past was definitely more interesting, hope if there is a second season they revisit it.
As far as the code is concerned, I feel like it comes directly from the trials, everyone else had failed as they had been unable to control their emotions and had ended up killing each other.
 

lefty1117

Gold Member
I found it interesting. I will now pick up the comics to get the complete experience. The daughter reminds me so much of a young Winona Ryder I actually looked her up to see if they were related :D
 

AJUMP23

Gold Member
I thought the CG in the fight on the first episode was awful. I have liked the flashbacks and the dad discovering his power’s storyline the most interesting part of the series.
 

ReBurn

Gold Member
I thought it was ok. Would have preferred that they just dedicate an episode or two to the backstory than the constant flashbacks. I'll watch the next season if there is one.
 

Hardensoul

Member
Genuinely think it wasn't that bad. But it did not look like it cost 200 million. At all.
People reporting it cost $200m, makes me doubt their credibility. Or someone robbed Netflix or cooking the books. That show didn't look like it had the special effects to back it up or the cast members to cost that much.
 

sol_bad

Member
I could barely stand the first episode, I generally give a show at least a season but this I couldn't. As soon as they started talking about not killing their enemies I was out. It's such an antiquated idea from the 40's-60's that super heroes shouldn't have to live by these days. There is a bad guy at the end of episode 1 killing them left and right and they are worried about killing him themselves? EH.
 

Hardensoul

Member
I could barely stand the first episode, I generally give a show at least a season but this I couldn't. As soon as they started talking about not killing their enemies I was out. It's such an antiquated idea from the 40's-60's that super heroes shouldn't have to live by these days. There is a bad guy at the end of episode 1 killing them left and right and they are worried about killing him themselves? EH.
That was part of the dilemma and contention between the father and son/new heroes. Seem that's subplot will be going forward.
 

MastaKiiLA

Member
No fucking way this show cost $200M. That would be an extremely inefficient production process. They got B-list casting, and AA visual effects. It shouldn't cost that much to produce. Anyway, I don't know if there's any reason to expect Supercrooks to fare any better. Though I'll certainly watch it to learn more of the lore.
 

Hardensoul

Member
No fucking way this show cost $200M. That would be an extremely inefficient production process. They got B-list casting, and AA visual effects. It shouldn't cost that much to produce. Anyway, I don't know if there's any reason to expect Supercrooks to fare any better. Though I'll certainly watch it to learn more of the lore.
So it's situation like the Han Solo movie and Justice League. Bloated cost due to mismanagement and post production cost. Didn't know it had that much problems.

 

jason10mm

Gold Member
Man, i would LOVE to know what the creative differences were. I'm curious where in the process the typical netflix "flavor" comes from.
 

Konnor

Member
Steven DeKnight and Netflix execs also reportedly clashed over “creative differences,”


So now we know why the vast majority of Netflix shows and movies are fucking terrible.
 
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GodofWhimsy

Member
Netflix are pretty lucky if they catch lighting in a bottle every couple of years. Most of their originals are both safe and basic as fuck. It's like a conveyor belt of shows created by AI. I haven't seen this yet tbh, but something tells me I already know exactly what I'd be getting.

Watch Invincible if you're looking for a high-quality series within the superhero genre.
 
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