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Clickbait Cringe Jim Ryan AND Shawn Layden call into Jaffe Stream - Discuss 70 dollar / 80 euro pricepoint

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So Europe gets 80$ pre sales tax instead of 70$ in the US, for the same digital product, with a lower average income.

oh yeah GIF

Yuropia
€70 incl. tax = $85
avg. salary $2,300
avg. income $7,000 Norway
avg. income $4,000 Germany
avg. income $3,500 France
avg. income $2,500 Spain
avg. income $1,300 Poland
avg. income $940 Russia
avg. income $800 Turkey
avg. income $600 Serbia
avg. income $300 Ukraine
USA
$70 excl. tax = $77? with
avg.income $5,500 /m

As always, we yurobeans get shafted.
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What is "Europe"? There are massive gaps in average income between western, northern, eastern and southern european countries.
See the spoiler. There is also a gap in the USA.
 
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Azurro

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Yuropia
€70 incl. tax = $85
avg. salary $2,300
avg. income $7,000 Norway
avg. income $4,000 Germany
avg. income $3,500 France
avg. income $2,500 Spain
avg. income $1,300 Poland
avg. income $940 Russia
avg. income $800 Turkey
avg. income $600 Serbia
avg. income $300 Ukraine
USA
$70 excl. tax = $77? with
avg.income $5,500 /m

As always, we yurobeans get shafted.
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angry sasha banks GIF by WWE

Those averages are brutto (before taxes), right?

EDIT: At first I thought that gif came from a porno. :p
 
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While the price difference between the US and EU cannot be defended, I do not understand all the commotion around game prices in general. I believe it is the cheapest hobby/ entertainment that I do in terms of cost per hour. It is even cheaper than books per hour.
 
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Yuropia
€70 incl. tax = $85
avg. salary $2,300
avg. income $7,000 Norway
avg. income $4,000 Germany
avg. income $3,500 France
avg. income $2,500 Spain
avg. income $1,300 Poland
avg. income $940 Russia
avg. income $800 Turkey
avg. income $600 Serbia
avg. income $300 Ukraine
USA
$70 excl. tax = $77? with
avg.income $5,500 /m

As always, we yurobeans get shafted.
Angry Mad GIF by Pokémon
angry sasha banks GIF by WWE

What is "Europe"? There are massive gaps in average income between western, northern, eastern and southern european countries.
 

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If only people voted with their wallets.

Hopefully this happens and Jimbo can suck on one.
 
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70USD + 21% VAT (my country) = ~84.7USD = 1 835CZK

Now lemme take a look at PS Store:

2 119CZK = 101,55USD Standard edition I might add. So fuck Jim Ryan and everyone who supports this bullshit.

Fact check: https://www.playstation.com/cs-cz/games/demons-souls/
yeah, I got the math wrong. I should've been calculating the other way around. Euros to dollars, not dollars to euros. The games should be less than 70 euros even with the VAT. 60 Euros would be $72 which sounds about right.

I think Sony has turned into complacent and arrogant Sony again. TBH, i called it as soon as I saw them hit success with the PS4 but I expected shit like this from EA and Activision. Not Sony. Games are already extremely profitable. They cost only $20-50 million to make even for the biggest Sony AAA exclusives and now with most sales being digital Sony keeps the retailer cut and does not have to worry about distribution or packaging costs. That 30% or $18 cut now comes right back to them. That shouldve been enough.

Even with marketing costs doubling the overall budget to $100 million, you can easily make that up with just 2 million in sales. Most of Sony's first party titles have sold well over 5 million units.

It's pure corporate greed. I hope it will blow up in their face but corporations typically get away with this shit. See Apple and their overpriced products. This is why I have always hoped and wished for Microsoft to get their shit together. If Sony had any kind of direct competition from Microsoft exclusives they wouldnt be so cocky about anti-consumer moves like this.

I am personally skipping Returnal and will buy physical copies of Ratchet and Horizon and trade them back in just like i did demon Souls and Spiderman Miles. I cant sanction this buffoonery.
 
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70USD + 21% VAT (my country) = ~84.7USD = 1 835CZK

Now lemme take a look at PS Store:



2 119CZK = 101,55USD Standard edition I might add. So fuck Jim Ryan and everyone who supports this bullshit.

Fact check: https://www.playstation.com/cs-cz/games/demons-souls/


You're doing it wrong. It supposed to be "thanks Jim. Can I have another?"

This is the norm and still these games will have microtransactions, be broken/incomplete at launch, etc etc.
 
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yeah, I got the math wrong. I should've been calculating the other way around. Euros to dollars, not dollars to euros. The games should be less than 70 euros even with the VAT. 60 Euros would be $72 which sounds about right.

I think Sony has turned into complacent and arrogant Sony again. TBH, i called it as soon as I saw them hit success with the PS4 but I expected shit like this from EA and Activision. Not Sony. Games are already extremely profitable. They cost only $20-50 million to make even for the biggest Sony AAA exclusives and now with most sales being digital Sony keeps the retailer cut and does not have to worry about distribution or packaging costs. That 30% or $18 cut now comes right back to them. That shouldve been enough.

Even with marketing costs doubling the overall budget to $100 million, you can easily make that up with just 2 million in sales. Most of Sony's first party titles have sold well over 5 million units.

It's pure corporate greed. I hope it will blow up in their face but corporations typically get away with this shit. See Apple and their overpriced products. This is why I have always hoped and wished for Microsoft to get their shit together. If Sony had any kind of direct competition from Microsoft exclusives they wouldnt be so cocky about anti-consumer moves like this.

I am personally skipping Returnal and will buy physical copies of Ratchet and Horizon and trade them back in just like i did demon Souls and Spiderman Miles. I cant sanction this buffoonery.
Good read and I agree : )
 

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It's 70 in Europe because they like to have the same numbers as the US, irregardless of the value of that currency.

If games do become $70 on Nintendo and PC then I guess the only new games I'm buying are Xenoblade and Megaten.
 

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No, 80€ (not defending this price tag, btw) is including VAT.

You are confusing Eur with Usd.

Yes, 80eur including VAT is roughly 80$ excluding VAT at an exchange rate of 1.21ish
 
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Keihart

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70USD + 21% VAT (my country) = ~84.7USD = 1 835CZK

Now lemme take a look at PS Store:



2 119CZK = 101,55USD Standard edition I might add. So fuck Jim Ryan and everyone who supports this bullshit.

Fact check: https://www.playstation.com/cs-cz/games/demons-souls/
Yeah, i don't know what the fuck it's up with Playstation store, you would think that they would have regional adjusted prices or sales at least, instead you get every region to be more expensive than NA ...what the fuck is that about?
 
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Yeah, i don't know what the fuck it's up with Playstation store, you would think that they would have regional adjusted prices or sales at least, instead you get every region to be more expensive than NA ...what the fuck is that about?
There is no price adjustment in Europe at least. I am not saying that we should not be paying those 70USD (which would have been amazing if we did), but this is just full on scam.
 

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70USD + 21% VAT (my country) = ~84.7USD = 1 835CZK

Now lemme take a look at PS Store:



2 119CZK = 101,55USD Standard edition I might add. So fuck Jim Ryan and everyone who supports this bullshit.

Fact check: https://www.playstation.com/cs-cz/games/demons-souls/

70USD + 25% VAT (my country) = ~87.5USD = 733SEK

Demon souls (standard edition)
849SEK = 101,34USD

Pretty much the same as you.
 
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That price increase is literally a robbery. The same crap Microsoft was trying to do on Gold (ms even worse) luckily was immediately picked up by the fans (as far as it matters, including me on nadella, spencer, greenberg twitter) . PlayStation usersbase should bombard Sony social media everywhere in the same way to make them do a 180 ° immediately, absurd that it still does not happen.
 

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It's a free market. Companies will charge as much as they can.
Speak with your wallets and just don't buy it.
 
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God damn. It's not like Czech salaries are particularly high. My buddy in Prague earns something like 1500 euros a month.

Yeah it's around 1635USD, so we are keeping same currency.
The minimum salary in Portugal is 665 euros since January _ 30€ increase, it's like those fuckers in the government are made with Jimbo. But they can all go take it in the harse and wait sitting, if they think i will buy a game full price again, those shity 30 euros are for put food on the table and/or give my son a better life than what i had _ so fock of Jimbo 🤡
 

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The minimum salary in Portugal is 665 euros since January _ 30€ increase, it's like those fuckers in the government are made with Jimbo. But they can all go take it in the harse and wait sitting, if they think i will buy a game full price again, those shity 30 euros are for put food on the table and/or give my son a better life than what i had _ so fock of Jimbo 🤡
We were talking about Average Salary, not minimal. Minimal salary is 518EUR, so that's even worse. However you have to have really shit job (no pun intended) to have such low vage. It's not like working in restaurant does not give you average salary...
 

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It's a free market. Companies will charge as much as they can.
Speak with your wallets and just don't buy it.
it's a free market but brands are based on a loyal usersbase and if this one eats all the shit made by the company, well the company will raise the bar more and more thinking they can pull the rope a little more. As I said before, I'm sorry how a community so responsive to almost everything is so concessional when it come to this.
70 € for an AA title is a robbery no matter what
 
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People were paying £60 for games in the SNES/Mega Drive era.

And you've some jokers talking about £70 30 years later being robbery.
 

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Yuropia
€70 incl. tax = $85
avg. salary $2,300
avg. income $7,000 Norway
avg. income $4,000 Germany
avg. income $3,500 France
avg. income $2,500 Spain
avg. income $1,300 Poland
avg. income $940 Russia
avg. income $800 Turkey
avg. income $600 Serbia
avg. income $300 Ukraine
USA
$70 excl. tax = $77? with
avg.income $5,500 /m

As always, we yurobeans get shafted.
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angry sasha banks GIF by WWE



See the spoiler. There is also a gap in the USA.
$5,500 per month in the US? Where NYC or SF maybe, and only if you are going by two person income.
As a single dude I make $3330 a month and thats gross so before the tax man comes.
Your monthly number you put up there is $35 an hour. Thats no where near average. We have people making $10/12 at the grocery stores here in PA. Maybe if you are a dentist, nurse etc.. but not a normal 9-5er.
 

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it's a free market but brands are based on a loyal usersbase and if this one eats all the shit made by the company, well the company will raise the bar more and more thinking they can pull the rope a little more. As I said before, I'm sorry how a community so responsive to almost everything is so concessional when it come to this.
70 € for an AA title is a robbery no matter what

The broad market that makes the bulk of the sales is much more than the loyal userbase.
I think they are pushing too hard and it will backfire with lower sales.
It won't affect a game with high demand such as Horizon or God of War, but games like Returnal and Ratchet can be affected. We will see the market reception soon.