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it's official: tweets will be sunk to the bottom unless author pays subscription

Tams

Gold Member
If you looked like that, you wouldn't need porn.
Hey he still watches it though.

Because while sex is incredible, sometimes you just don't want to deal with everything it entails. Find something you like, beat your meat, a quick clean-up; bish bash bosh, done.
 

Toons

Banned
Companies use Advertising funds to push agendas all the time. If you don't fall in line then no marketing dollars for you. That's why some companies will advertise on conservative networks and some refuse.

That's only if there's a decent market for it in the first place, a big enough. Regardless, the very presence of advertising begets regulation and moderation. This is the case for anything.. cable TV, podcasts, etc. The notion that advertisers not just being a free for all for content and requiring certain stipulations is somehow pushing an agenda is juvenile. There are some things a company just doesn't want to be associated with and consumers bad for business. Elon Musk is WELL aware of this and was way before he bought twitter.
 

BeardGawd

Banned
That's only if there's a decent market for it in the first place, a big enough. Regardless, the very presence of advertising begets regulation and moderation. This is the case for anything.. cable TV, podcasts, etc. The notion that advertisers not just being a free for all for content and requiring certain stipulations is somehow pushing an agenda is juvenile. There are some things a company just doesn't want to be associated with and consumers bad for business. Elon Musk is WELL aware of this and was way before he bought twitter.
It's USER generated content and nobody associates ads with the content. Twitter hosts porn for crying out loud. Game companies do it all the time. Post an unflattereing critique of a product and there goes the marketing dollars. Culture wars definitely play a part with marketing dollars for some companies.
 
Yea... Twitter actually changing in any real way.

It hasnt lol.

Now we're getting into an interesting aspect of this situation! I think there's a fair amount of hypocrisy on both sides here. It hasn't changed in any real way, yet people are freaking out and pushing advertisers to pull their support, and blue checks are threatening to leave the platform, and the press is writing hit pieces. All the way to the point where they're calling account impersonation "free speech," despite initially being really concerned with account impersonation. Are people suggesting that they don't want Twitter to protect celebrities from impersonation accounts?

On the other hand, there's a new sheriff in town, and now freedom of speech is the law of the land on twitter. Except none of the people Musk said shouldn't have been banned have had their accounts restored, and Musk will be appointing a group of people who decides who is and isn't allowed to come back, and those people will seemingly also decide who gets banned in the future, and your free speech will be sent all the way to the bottom of the replies as long as it's "free" speech.

We can disagree on what qualifies as hypocrisy from Musk's supporters and critics, but the above would be my case for both.

As many have pointed out, a lot of the "undesirables" with big accounts on the site have made no indication they are going anywhere.

Do you mean the blue check celebrities? I would hope they're not going anywhere, as they add value to the platform.

But it seems to me twitter is going to be very much the same platform it always has been with a few added caveats.

As long as those caveats are avoiding the sort of edge cases in censorship that a lot of people weren't happy about, and that the original Twitter CEO wasn't comfortable with, that's pretty close to what I was expecting all along.
 
Celebs , maybe companies long term too, will revolt. Sheeple will pay. Mixed bag. Question is if the drop off rate vs paying subs +layoff cost reductions will take Twitter/Elon from red to black.
 
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I don't know how I really feel about this but I will admit I like Elon Musk so he's probably doing something right here.

I'm not against $8 a month for someone to be verified. Most streaming services now cost more than that most verified users aren't people in the gutter or at the poverty level anyhow.

A lot of verified users are companies or services or someone advertising in some form or another so they're basically just paying $8 a month to Twitter to advertise as far as I'm concerned.

My only worry about this would be is if it does actually push tweets to the bottom but I don't think that'll happen or at least not literally like that.
 
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BeardGawd

Banned
That's true, if you ignore all the times sponsors have pulled funds from user generated content providers because of campaigning or bad optics.
And my point is that people don't associate the ads to user content. Some companies use their ad dollars to force the platform holders to enforce what the companies deem appropriate. Get it?
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Whether Musk's new direction and road to profits works or not, who knows. But I love it. I dont have a Twitter account but now I can search it for topics. I love how there's people who take the changes in checkmarks and $8/mth are like the apocalypse leading to sore grapes, boycotts, pressuring advertisers etc.... That's Twitter nuts for ya.

I have FB and Linkedin accounts. If they wanted to charge $8/mth, I'd do it. It's worth having friends and fam fun and career contacts for $200/yr. But if I hated the decisions, I'd just leave. I wouldnt even bother shutting down my account. I'd just let it go dormant just like stores I bought one thing from and never will again. Who cares. What idiot is going to cry like a baby trying to sabotage their advertising revenue and influence their user base?

All this hoopla because people are cheap asses wanting recognition on a cesspool social media site where the people who seem to post the most are idiots. Idiots wanting recognition from other idiots.

Put it this way. I just checked Twitter and Linkedin for the CEO of my company which is a big one. He's got no pic for his Linkedin account and has like 80 connections. That's it. I couldnt find a Twitter account unless he made a one with a weird code name. So for a guy who makes millions, youd think he'd be on social media chiming away like a bigshot showing his face or trying to drum up business. He doesn't. Looks like he doesn't give a shit. He's also a super good guy and chatty. He's no introvert. Yet he still doesn't care. Yet you got bottom rung losers using Twitter like it's the messiah. Go figure.

LOL. Love it. Even better since Musk isnt a quiet suit and tie CEO. He'll make fun of people being idiots trolling daily.
 
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Toons

Banned
It's USER generated content and nobody associates ads with the content. Twitter hosts porn for crying out loud. Game companies do it all the time. Post an unflattereing critique of a product and there goes the marketing dollars. Culture wars definitely play a part with marketing dollars for some companies.

Game companies need review scores. Advertisers don't need twitter.

You're missing the forest for the trees. Featuring mature content like porn isnt an advertisement killer lol, tiwtter is a mature content platform. They arent avoiding nudity or profanity they are avoiding stuff that could actually lead to legal issues and bad press that can stick with them for a long time.

Stuff like hate speech.

Now we're getting into an interesting aspect of this situation! I think there's a fair amount of hypocrisy on both sides here. It hasn't changed in any real way, yet people are freaking out and pushing advertisers to pull their support, and blue checks are threatening to leave the platform, and the press is writing hit pieces. All the way to the point where they're calling account impersonation "free speech," despite initially being really concerned with account impersonation. Are people suggesting that they don't want Twitter to protect celebrities from impersonation accounts?

On the other hand, there's a new sheriff in town, and now freedom of speech is the law of the land on twitter. Except none of the people Musk said shouldn't have been banned have had their accounts restored, and Musk will be appointing a group of people who decides who is and isn't allowed to come back, and those people will seemingly also decide who gets banned in the future, and your free speech will be sent all the way to the bottom of the replies as long as it's "free" speech.

We can disagree on what qualifies as hypocrisy from Musk's supporters and critics, but the above would be my case for both.



Do you mean the blue check celebrities? I would hope they're not going anywhere, as they add value to the platform.



As long as those caveats are avoiding the sort of edge cases in censorship that a lot of people weren't happy about, and that the original Twitter CEO wasn't comfortable with, that's pretty close to what I was expecting all along.

Its too soon to call. But what Elon Musk needs to realize is he drew a giant target on his back, and because of the culture war regardless of what he chooses hes going to become public enemy number 1 for one side of the isle, whichever one it ends up being.

Theres no win situation here for him really, and I mean he probably doesn't care much, but he DOES care about the ad revenue and attempting to recuperate his 40 billion dollars. I have no idea how he plans to do that long term, but turning twitter into a subscription service probably won't cut it lol
 
I only have a Twitter account to read other stuff, so I'm not too fussed

Unless it turns fully subscription based and I'll nope out
 
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Its too soon to call. But what Elon Musk needs to realize is he drew a giant target on his back, and because of the culture war regardless of what he chooses hes going to become public enemy number 1 for one side of the isle, whichever one it ends up being.

If I had to guess, this isn't going to be a case of him disappointing a different group depending on what he does. I think he's stuck with the groups he has, so to speak. His fans might find things to criticize him about, but they'll stick with him and defend him overall. I think a new high-profile twitter ban that a lot of people disagree with would be the only thing that could change that. Alternatively, for people who view him practically as being a villain already, I doubt any amount of mostly keeping things as they were on Twitter is going to change that.

With both groups, it's going to be less what he does and more about what people already think. But I'm sure there will also be plenty of people like myself who can defend and criticize alike.

Theres no win situation here for him really, and I mean he probably doesn't care much, but he DOES care about the ad revenue and attempting to recuperate his 40 billion dollars. I have no idea how he plans to do that long term, but turning twitter into a subscription service probably won't cut it lol

Part of me thinks that the subscription could just be mostly a form of advertising. It keeps people talking about the brand, and it'll likely keep people reporting on new features as they're added. Sure, he can make a little money from it, but the real goal has to come down to incentivizing users to use the platform through competitive monetization, and eventually getting those advertisers back, or replacing them with some other big accounts.

That's what I'm really wanting to see. The controversies are fun to discuss a little, but it's how he plans to improve things and if he'll be successful or not that interests me the most.
 
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It was genuinely stupid to take a symbol that confirms account verification and turn it into a symbol that means paid member. And I thought the release of twitter blue was going to be delayed for a week or two, wasn't it? Either way, this needs to be stopped before it becomes an even larger problem.
 
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mekes

Member
I've seen so many people jump to big conclusions since he took over the platform. I have never been a fan of Twitter. I used it for a week once about 6 years ago.

I don't dislike it, I don't like it, I just haven't really cared. I find Musk to be quite interesting and I probably do back him to make it Twitter a much more interesting place to use for its users. So I guess I'm watching events quite interested now to see what's coming.

It seems long form video and extensive curation tools are incoming. As well as monetisation for users. I can imagine the Twitter landscape changing massively over the next few years and the platform attempting to become a rival for services like YouTube, TikTok and Discord etc.

Twitter is definitely getting a kick up the ass and it's interesting to see how things will play out.
 

Rickyiez

Member
Twitter is one of the worst platform ever created . It's almost physically painful trying to search for something or reading longer chain of replies there .
 

MrMephistoX

Member
not sure if you're being serious but the answer is adverts and collecting/selling data of users.

facebook on the surface might look like a social media platform but it's gathering information on literally everyone and that includes people who never signed up to facebook. what they do is create a "shadow profile" so if you never joined facebook they most likely still have a profile for you. if you've ever gave someone your data (phone number, email, address, etc) and they are on facebook and sync their contacts then your data is on facebooks servers. they take that data and match it with existing users or start building a profile on you. for example, i don't use facebook anymore but people at my work do. person A has my name/number. person B has my name/number. person C. person D. facebook will have a profile with name and phone number. if i were ever to sign up then they'd be like well that phone number matches so we'll recommend you friend person A/B/C/D. they actually have a tool where you can put in your email/phone number to check if they have it and you can mark it not to be used. it's a bit fucking stupid because they still have your info. it's just goes onto a "not allowed to use" list.

think of all the shit people post on facebook and then know that facebook will track you across the internet through their "Pixel" tracker. if you've ever seen a FB icon, "log in with facebook", or looked an embedded photo/share link on a website then facebook knows you visited that site.

and that's just facebook. instagram is more of the same and whatsapp too.

all that data is collected to build adverts to show you and your data is valuable so it makes them $.

google/facebook/amazon are probably the worst when it comes to tracking you. twitter hardly compares in scale to what those 3 gather on you.
This is kind of why people who complain about TikTok being treated unfairly have kind of a point. The difference is that Zuck is selling your info to the highest bidder dispassionately whereas TikTok is giving it to the Chinese for free. Your personal info is all going somewhere but the intentions of the buyers are completely different. Corporations want to surveil you to sell you more shit and the Chinese want to surveil you to crush dissent at home and potentially negatively influence elections and national mood in a Psyop exercise. Social media is a dangerous tool in any hands but some hands are dirtier than others.
 
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It seems people are learning that there are still two separate verification categories, one for twitter blue and the old method for public figures. Clicking on the icon itself can tell you which is which, and it sounds like some are already putting together block lists using the difference between the two.

Those blue checks are going to have their superiority no matter what it takes, it would seem.
 
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German Hops

GAF's Nicest Lunch Thief
Hey he still watches it though.

Because while sex is incredible, sometimes you just don't want to deal with everything it entails. Find something you like, beat your meat, a quick clean-up; bish bash bosh, done.
Porn is overrated , man.
Imagination is way better.
 

Thaedolus

Member
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Elon wouldn’t buy something for 44b just to destroy it. I don’t know what that means, but im willing to wait it out and see the results.
 

Toons

Banned
Elon wouldn’t buy something for 44b just to destroy it. I don’t know what that means, but im willing to wait it out and see the results.

No, he wouldn't, but hes going to be spending a lot of time trying to convince you he would very soon.




Whatever drugs Musk is on.. He should share with his employees.



Im mostly indifferent to musk so watching this play out is like watching the annoying but not particularly mean kid in your class you never talked to sprain his ankle at recess kickball
 

Azurro

Banned
So.... He's an idiot. Reminds me when Bush Sr. Didn't know how to check out at the grocery store, and thought bar code readers were novel.

The guy has multiple successful businesses and became the richest man in the world because of it. Extreme left people would love for him to be an idiot, but he isn't. Twitter has millions and millions of users and there are no alternatives to it, it will be fine. It's just extremists melting down because they are losing power over public discourse.
 

akimbo009

Gold Member
The guy has multiple successful businesses and became the richest man in the world because of it. Extreme left people would love for him to be an idiot, but he isn't. Twitter has millions and millions of users and there are no alternatives to it, it will be fine. It's just extremists melting down because they are losing power over public discourse.

Nice try. Dude clearly is an idiot, I mean - you think what's happening here is evidence of an intelligent life form?

But I am glad he's running it into the ground. Twitter is a cess pool which coarsened our dialog. It going into the trash bin is only a net positive - so I am glad he's failing.
 

Toons

Banned
So.... He's an idiot. Reminds me when Bush Sr. Didn't know how to check out at the grocery store, and thought bar code readers were novel.
Hes very intelligent, but hes not very wise.
The guy has multiple successful businesses and became the richest man in the world because of it. Extreme left people would love for him to be an idiot, but he isn't. Twitter has millions and millions of users and there are no alternatives to it, it will be fine. It's just extremists melting down because they are losing power over public discourse.

Being highly successful and even intelligent are not mutually exclusive to being an idiot
 

dr_octagon

Banned
Elon is playing 4D Chess.

Just like the ability to make Twitter worthwhile to society, the game does not actually exist.
 
Nice try. Dude clearly is an idiot, I mean - you think what's happening here is evidence of an intelligent life form?

But I am glad he's running it into the ground. Twitter is a cess pool which coarsened our dialog. It going into the trash bin is only a net positive - so I am glad he's failing.

The projection game is strong with this one.
 

Toons

Banned
The amount of folks that shield this dude from literally any criticism is mind boggling to me lol

He is CLEARLY fumbling this rollout of whatever this is supposed to be. If this was anyone else was in this predicament you wouldn't have anyone denying it
 

NeededSleep

Member
Throwing shit to the wall and hoping it sticks.

Man.. i fear his world is nothing but an echo chamber and no one willing to challange his opinions.

That or im just bitter because he is selling Tesla stock to pay for this shit show.
 
The amount of folks that shield this dude from literally any criticism is mind boggling to me lol

He is CLEARLY fumbling this rollout of whatever this is supposed to be. If this was anyone else was in this predicament you wouldn't have anyone denying it

Same could be said for folks like you who need to constantly “celebrate” every perceived win because you have a massive hate boner for the guy.

Even if this wasn’t a hilarious mess, which it is, you would still be trying to whine/bitch/moan about anything he does.
 
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