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DeepEnigma

Gold Member
Because there's people who think that because Elon saying "free speech from now on" means "oh yes! We get to say every racial slur, every ethnic slur, every religious slur, every -ism/-ist slur and we can't get cancelled for it!"

Usage of slurs on Twitter went up by a lot once Elon took over.

If advertisers don't want to be associated with a platform that allows all that... That's what happens. They leave. That's why most don't advertise on platforms like Gab or Parler ... They don't want to LOOK like the bad guy BECAUSE those sites and others allow those kinds of words and phrases. If you're an absolutist, own it and let everything run wild!
You're being marketed to, and it's working.
 

AJUMP23

Member
50k tweets from 300 accounts in 48 hours is exactly why Twitter is a bad platform. 98% of it is utter garbage.
The Curation algorithm is what needs to improve. When you see accounts spamming tweets automatically lower them in the que. Or be like gaf and limit tweeting to every 30 seconds.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
Because there's people who think that because Elon saying "free speech from now on" means "oh yes! We get to say every racial slur, every ethnic slur, every religious slur, every -ism/-ist slur and we can't get cancelled for it!"

Usage of slurs on Twitter went up by a lot once Elon took over.

If advertisers don't want to be associated with a platform that allows all that... That's what happens. They leave. That's why most don't advertise on platforms like Gab or Parler ... They don't want to LOOK like the bad guy BECAUSE those sites and others allow those kinds of words and phrases. If you're an absolutist, own it and let everything run wild!
Twitter doesn't automatically block out words like xxxxxx I'm running out of possible slurs. I figure this site must block out at least some of these works, especially the n-word, so can't twitter do the same thing? Heck, I'm on other forums that block out Jesus! Not to mention the words fuck, shit, etc.

Ok, ok, I"m gonna post this just to see which words ARE blocked out by this site software, but I actually don't know since I don't use slurs much in real life. please don't quote this! I'll delete it pronto.

EDIT: Oh wow, none of those words were blocked. Huh, I thought that was pretty standard. I'm actually not sure how I feel about it, to be honest. Should you be allowed to make an ass out of yourself or be "protected" for your own good but then that probably allows for more use of the words because folks know they can say it but its masked and that somehow seems to make it "more ok" to say.

Kinda like the vid of that drunk as shit blonde girl getting manhandled by some black ladies. The drunk girl is saying "n$%$%$%" and "bitch" but she is also so damn drunk that if a guy walked up, took her home, and banged the shit out of her most folks would say she couldn't consent and it was rape. So is being drunk freedom from culpability or not? Is a word filter license to say the word knowing it will be filtered or is the bad intent still there?
 
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B... bu...but Twitter is dying!
Or maybe it's a few militant radicals crying piss and vinegar while a silent majority of alienated customers return to the platform.

It goes to show that Hollywood and the east-coast glitteria are but a vocal minority on the platform and in no way representative of its global customer base. People seem to be forgetting that Americans aren't the only people on that website. The information and opinion bubble is real.
 

Outlier

Member
So freedom to speak, but pay for special treatment.

Kinda rigged in favor of people who would pay to influence to masses.
 

FunkMiller

Member
50k tweets from 300 accounts in 48 hours is exactly why Twitter is a bad platform. 98% of it is utter garbage.

Yep. A small bunch of piss babies ruining it for the vast majority. But this tends to be the case with most things. What Musk and Twitter should do is spend their time and money clamping down VERY HARD on the small minority that post the rancid shit. They're the ones who hear 'more free speech' and decide to fuck everything up with their nasty bullshit. But I guess that probably take too much effort, and he'll get accused of clamping down on free speech instead.
 

Outlier

Member
They otherwise influenced for free, mind as well make some money off of them.
Hmmm. Maybe it's not a bad idea.
Musk wants to make twitter profitable.
This doesn't silence the commoner voice.
Sure we could end up with Coca-Cola ads or worse ads on the main pages, but we could always manually search for whatever might interest us.

Could work for Twitter. Guess we'll find out.
 

nemiroff

Gold Member
Im starting to think Elon isn’t the brightest person. It’s more who he gets to work for him. They do all the hard work and he takes the praise. Oh so basically every CEO ever.

I think bill gates is one of the smartest people though.
Musk is an engineer, his brain has good memory and pattern recognition, but he's not as smart in every topic as he think he is. And that's where much of the controversy and problems occurs. He has a compulsive need to involve himself and meddle in ALL things going on in the world even if he doesn't know jack shit about it. He would be better fit for shitposting in gaming forums.
 
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...with a healthy side order of hypocrisy when that free speech takes the piss out of you.

I've been watching fairly closely, and I haven't seen Twitter limiting anyone's speech yet since he took over, other than removing slurs and such.

People were banned for impersonation, but that is not a matter of free speech, and it's exactly what would have happened a year ago if the same people did the same thing. What idea, opinion, value, belief, worldview, etc were they not able to express?


Usage of slurs on Twitter went up by a lot once Elon took over.

The number I saw reported in the press was 500% more uses of a particular slur. Five times means either it went up from 1 to 5, or 20 to 100, or 200 to 1000. But any way you consider the data, it means that Twitter had plenty of slur uses before he took over, and the media couldn't have cared less.


Yep. A small bunch of piss babies ruining it for the vast majority. But this tends to be the case with most things. What Musk and Twitter should do is spend their time and money clamping down VERY HARD on the small minority that post the rancid shit. They're the ones who hear 'more free speech' and decide to fuck everything up with their nasty bullshit. But I guess that probably take too much effort, and he'll get accused of clamping down on free speech instead.
Thankfully that's exactly what already happened.

 
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jason10mm

Gold Member
It's way better when they justify actions based on graphs and stats. Don't engage these clowns directly, just point to positive metrics.
 

IntentionalPun

Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
The fact y'all think Twitter traffic going up is anything more than the attention all of this huge mess has created is beyond me.

The platform likely lost hundreds of thousands of accounts, including many prominent ones that drive real traffic to the site, not people rubber-necking a disaster in motion.

Beyond that.. Musk himself said ad revenue was in the dumps.. in case you guys haven't noticed the desperation of trying to immediately create a sub service.

An overly leveraged buyout of a company that already wasn't particularly profitable... now fucking around with the "pay for a checkmark" idea lol

It's just pure unadulterated idiocy...
 
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DeepEnigma

Gold Member
I've been watching fairly closely, and I haven't seen Twitter limiting anyone's speech yet since he took over, other than removing slurs and such.

People were banned for impersonation, but that is not a matter of free speech, and it's exactly what would have happened a year ago if the same people did the same thing. What idea, opinion, value, belief, worldview, etc were they not able to express?




The number I saw reported in the press was 500% more uses of a particular slur. Five times means either it went up from 1 to 5, or 20 to 100, or 200 to 1000. But any way you consider the data, it means that Twitter had plenty of slur uses before he took over, and the media couldn't have cared less.



Thankfully that's exactly what already happened.


Dare I say, psyop bots.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
What what alternative to Twitter is there? Were tweeters getting paid? If they "leave" are they giving up money or just attention?The whole site is just a casual news blurb/random thought signpost, what content loss would affect it?

This whole saga has taken what, 6 months? Any lefty friendly alternative would be HUGE right now but....crickets.
 

Toons

Banned
Wierd to see some of the same folks here whove made it a point to openly despise Twitter and pray for its downfall who are all of a sudden ecstatic about its increased numbers now that Elon is in charge. Really shows where their convictions lie lol
 

Pejo

Member
Pictured: me - only on twitter for the expertly curated porn feed that it's become through years of intense cultivation:

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Kacho

Gold Member
Wierd to see some of the same folks here whove made it a point to openly despise Twitter and pray for its downfall who are all of a sudden ecstatic about its increased numbers now that Elon is in charge. Really shows where their convictions lie lol
Who are these people?
 

Moneal

Member
Wierd to see some of the same folks here whove made it a point to openly despise Twitter and pray for its downfall who are all of a sudden ecstatic about its increased numbers now that Elon is in charge. Really shows where their convictions lie lol
You mean that their convictions line up with what Elon has stated his ideas for the platform, compared to the previous people in charge of twitter showed they wanted?
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
Wierd to see some of the same folks here whove made it a point to openly despise Twitter and pray for its downfall who are all of a sudden ecstatic about its increased numbers now that Elon is in charge. Really shows where their convictions lie lol
This is not the strawman you're looking for.

It can all crash and burn for all I care, but it's always fun to see the vocal minority's false sense of artificially propped up supremacy crumble with actual stats and data.
 

HoodWinked

Member
Wierd to see some of the same folks here whove made it a point to openly despise Twitter and pray for its downfall who are all of a sudden ecstatic about its increased numbers now that Elon is in charge. Really shows where their convictions lie lol
Not really if Twitter fundamentally changes it becomes a usable and enjoyable product. Look at imgur I used to visit daily. It used to be mostly wholesome memes then it became endless leftist propaganda and now I only use it for uploading images to use up thier bandwidth.
 
Wierd to see some of the same folks here whove made it a point to openly despise Twitter and pray for its downfall who are all of a sudden ecstatic about its increased numbers now that Elon is in charge. Really shows where their convictions lie lol
My convictions are they the internet was fucking amazing and provided unlimited amounts of fun from 1996 to 2007, which is when normal people started using it and it went to shit.

Elon says he wants to make Twitter fun. That’s good enough for me.
 
It's the dumbest thing ever for anyone to associate advertisements to user generated content. I believe this is a Bullshit excuse inorder for Advertisers to force their views and control the platform.
This right here is the heart of the scam. It was very obvious when they took the "you" out of YouTube.

"OMG I SAW A GILETTE AD ON A LOUDER WITH CROWDER VIDEO WE NEED TO BOYCOTT"-- okay, why were you watching that? Just watch what you like moron.
 

Toons

Banned
You mean that their convictions line up with what Elon has stated his ideas for the platform, compared to the previous people in charge of twitter showed they wanted?

Not when their convictions were initially "twitter should die" lol
My convictions are they the internet was fucking amazing and provided unlimited amounts of fun from 1996 to 2007, which is when normal people started using it and it went to shit.

Elon says he wants to make Twitter fun. That’s good enough for me.

...this doesn't even make sense. What is "fun"? You csnt just say that without a qualifier, and have it be an argument? Twitter is a social media platform that didn't even exist in that time frame so what does this mean?

Not really if Twitter fundamentally changes it becomes a usable and enjoyable product. Look at imgur I used to visit daily. It used to be mostly wholesome memes then it became endless leftist propaganda and now I only use it for uploading images to use up thier bandwidth.

So you're saying you actually liked twitter, you just didn't like the people on it.

I mean, ok, but thats not really what's going to be changing much at all and you're setting yourself up for disappointment if thats what you se happening here.
 

Toons

Banned
This right here is the heart of the scam. It was very obvious when they took the "you" out of YouTube.

"OMG I SAW A GILETTE AD ON A LOUDER WITH CROWDER VIDEO WE NEED TO BOYCOTT"-- okay, why were you watching that? Just watch what you like moron.

Advertisers don't have "views" that they enforce. They are on whichever "side" they think will make them the most money and get them the most clicks.

They do not enforce views, they monetize them. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of these companies and what they want out of business relationships like these lol.
 

Moneal

Member
Not when their convictions were initially "twitter should die" lol

Why were their convictions that way? Because the people running twitter were running it in a way they disliked. Now Elon is saying he is going to run it a different way. A position can change and should change when presented with new information.
 

Amiga

Member
It's crazy that Facebook is still so high up. Pretty much every person I know personally have moved off of FB.
Different countries gather in different social apps. For example Saudi prefer Snapchat, Egyptians prefer Facebook.
 
Wierd to see some of the same folks here whove made it a point to openly despise Twitter and pray for its downfall who are all of a sudden ecstatic about its increased numbers now that Elon is in charge. Really shows where their convictions lie lol
I don't understand this perspective. Is it the building they're suppose to hate? Is it the name of the company? Is it the employees? Because it seems that a lot of the ones making the decisions that caused people to want the failure of twitter in the first place are no longer working there.

The argument would be: we wanted twitter to fail because of X, but now that X isn't a factor, twitter is no longer the same company we wanted to fail. Is there any sort of Ship of Theseus level change that could happen at twitter where you would no longer feel people were violating their convictions by not wanting the platform to fail anymore?
 

Toons

Banned
You’re trying way too hard.

No half measures XD

Why were their convictions that way? Because the people running twitter were running it in a way they disliked. Now Elon is saying he is going to run it a different way. A position can change and should change when presented with new information.

I mean I thought it was because Twitter was a place that encouraged negative engagement, dumb hot takes and flame wars on the internet.

All of which is still the case, thus far.

I don't understand this perspective. Is it the building they're suppose to hate? Is it the name of the company? Is it the employees? Because it seems that a lot of the ones making the decisions that caused people to want the failure of twitter in the first place are no longer working there.

The argument would be: we wanted twitter to fail because of X, but now that X isn't a factor, twitter is no longer the same company we wanted to fail. Is there any sort of Ship of Theseus level change that could happen at twitter where you would no longer feel people were violating their convictions by not wanting the platform to fail anymore?

Yea... Twitter actually changing in any real way.

It hasnt lol. Thr only thing even proposed is now you'll have to pay a subscription fee for people who want to argue with you to get to argue with you. As many have pointed out, a lot of the "undesirables" with big accounts on the site have made no indication they are going anywhere.

Change of perspective is warranted when change actually becomes a tangible thing. But it seems to me twitter is going to be very much the same platform it always has been with a few added caveats. I was more so insinuating that Elon Musk presence as the figurehead of the platform is being hailed as some great return in light of these facts, and the fact that it doesn't really seem like he even knows what he wants this platform to be at this point.
 



This video covers a lot of the whole situation going on right now. I feel it gets the account impersonation details wrong, like a like of other sources it seems, but the reporting on advertisers goes into a lot more depth that I haven't seen elsewhere. It seems like Twitter was already losing a ton of ad support for various reasons before Musk took over, and likely lost all car manufacture support for reasons that are more strategic than anything else.

Some of the content earlier in the video gets a bit more political, so I put a timestamp right when he starts to go into detail about the advertisers.
 
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BeardGawd

Banned
Advertisers don't have "views" that they enforce. They are on whichever "side" they think will make them the most money and get them the most clicks.

They do not enforce views, they monetize them. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of these companies and what they want out of business relationships like these lol.
Companies use Advertising funds to push agendas all the time. If you don't fall in line then no marketing dollars for you. That's why some companies will advertise on conservative networks and some refuse.
 
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