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It's been five years since the real big controller change and it's not even standard yet. Why?
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ManaByte
Gold Member
Because then they can't sell you an expensive Pro controller or add-on.
Syphon Filter
Member
Just wait for a sale then
justiceiro
Marlboro: Other M
Because they are expensive to make?
Little Chicken
Member
I have an Elite 2 but I'm too uncoordinated to use the paddles 
Impotaku
Member
My only experience of having one of these so far was when sony released that official attachment for the PS4 dualshock, i pretty much use it all the time when i play as i hate the bullshit of clicking in stick for L3&R3 it's made playing a lot more friendly to my hands as some games get you clicking those damn sticks all the time and it's havoc for my thumbs. It's probably extended the lifespan of my DS4 quite a bit seeing as evidence nowadays it pointing to that been the cause of stick drift
daveonezero
Banned
No I think options are best.
mid say digital click on analog is the biggest crime missing from controllers though Nintendo.
Decontamination Silo
Banned
So many accidental Souls jumps....
01011001
Banned
this
so ok, 2 things about this... 1, you accidentally press R3? and 2, why the hell don't you use the classic settings with circle for jump then? way better imo
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Rivet
Member
The real big controller change is 1 year old, not five. It's haptics on Dualsense PS5 controller. That's the real revolution, not back buttons.
And it will probably become standard since Phil Spencer already said they'd like to copy it for Xbox, as they should.
It's hard to play anything without haptics after trying them.
And it will probably become standard since Phil Spencer already said they'd like to copy it for Xbox, as they should.
It's hard to play anything without haptics after trying them.
01011001
Banned
in most games the trigger effects suck, let's be honest, even in Ratchet they are not that well made imo... and the rumble is just slightly stronger HD rumble that the Switch has.
cormack12
Gold Member
I turn them off. They are terrible. They offer no bonus to usability or function.
Haptics are also 5/6 years old on the Steam Controller
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sainraja
Member
Well, the paddles basically map to the same thing some of the front facing buttons are assigned. If they make that standard, developers will start using the front facing buttons for something else. Not sure if we actually want that. What's the real advantage of having paddles? I have an Elite 2 controller and I have to remember to use the paddles and when I finally got use to having them, it didn't add to the experience, meaning improved it that much. I had some accidental clicks which I didn't like.We're talking about back paddles. They have form. They have function and they are really fucking useful. Why aren't they standard?
Instead we get third party (and first party) premium options at ridiculous prices.
Game studios shouldn't assign the jump mechanic to L3/R3. That's not an input issue, it's a interaction design issue.
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sainraja
Member
Some people turn off vibration.
If something is new, people are usually slow to adopt. Here you are asking for a change while at the same time dismissing the other change that was introduced – to dimiss it so casually right now is short-sighted IMO.
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Soodanim
Gold Member
Your OP has the answer, in a way. SCUF are patent hogging pricks who sued Valve for the Steam Controller's grip buttons. If you want to know why there isn't more going on, I'd wager that they have something to do with it.We're talking about back paddles. They have form. They have function and they are really fucking useful. Why aren't they standard?
Instead we get third party (and first party) premium options at ridiculous prices.
I love the extra buttons, and I hope we do see more going forward.
I've used the Xbox Elite v1, and I didn't like the way it did paddles.
I've used the Steam Controller, and the grips are too stiff.
I think the Steam Deck is onto something by having buttons and not paddles.
StateofMajora
Banned
Can't argue with that. They've always been somewhat awkward.
Yeah, i can't play without back buttons on most games anymore. Xbox especially should have had them considering they didn't add anything else new and their experience with paddles.
I switched to PowerA controllers for back buttons after my gen 1 elite died (fixed it multiple times) though. The $150+ ones are way too expensive for how unreliable they are.
I switched to PowerA controllers for back buttons after my gen 1 elite died (fixed it multiple times) though. The $150+ ones are way too expensive for how unreliable they are.
FingerBang
Member
Hey hey hey, listen. Some people like them in the front and some in the back!
Decontamination Silo
Banned
Jump is L3. Even with the accidental jumps it works better for me then B.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
I don't want paddles. I want to hold my controller easily and don't want to many buttons. Pc have a lot of buttons and devs just puke 50 functions on keyboard while it all can be neatly done with a controller
We got amazing dualsense but the internal battery is terrible and anti consumer
We got amazing dualsense but the internal battery is terrible and anti consumer
01011001
Banned
(yeah I misspoke, I meant to say L3)
I hated the L3 jump in DS3, instantly switched it back to the classic Circle (I played it on PS4 mainly)
you can't really do accurate movement + press L3 at the same time, that kills precision. I tried doing the tree skip in DS3 at the firelink shrine with the L3 jump and it's just not doable and just feels terrible. I can't imagine using that
Riky
$MSFT
Yeah it's a waste of battery life which is already bad.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
I was kind of annoyed by the whole paddle thing, but you are a genius and you should me to the idea! L3 and R3 must be killed with fire!!!
Edit: At least hit them with paddles until they die.
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RafterXL
Member
Ridiculous. Paddles change what you are able to do in games. They literally enable you to do things you can't on a standard controller. Haptics are nice but they don't hold a candle to better control in a controller.
HTK
Banned
I have decades of muscle memory and it wasn't an issue. You just have to play a game that forces you to use it and you'll get used to it.
eastcoastkody
Member
im not certain i even know how to play a first person shooter without them anymore.
DaleinCalgary
Member
I'm not a fan, took them off my pro controller.
Trimesh
Banned
The US patent system is fucked beyond belief - it's possible to get a patent on pretty much anything, no matter how obvious. I run into this all the time when I am trying to implement something and discover that the idea that literally popped into my head as the obvious solution within a few minutes of thinking about it is patented. So you're forced to waste time implementing stupid workarounds rather than developing something that might actually "advance the state of the art".
IYAOYAS2019
Member
I'll never use them myself.
Allforce
Member
I basically use my Dual Shock 4 with the back button attachment for every game on PS5 for this reason. It's completely game changing for shooters and the best 20 dollar accessory I've ever bought.
A close second is those Kontrol Freek stick extensions I always wrote off as silly for years, I can't go back after using them.
A close second is those Kontrol Freek stick extensions I always wrote off as silly for years, I can't go back after using them.
onnextflix5
Member
New gamers allready get confused with so many buttons, no need ti confuse them more, paddles should be optional upgrade for hardcore gamers.
kingfey
Banned
While haptic feedback is great, it doesnt bring anything to the gameplay, like back pedal. This is a game changing for racing games.
Allnamestakenlol
Member
Who wouldn't want more buttons? (Honest question - more buttons the better, imo.)
RowdyReverb
Member
Was going to say the same thing. It would probably have the side effect of reducing stick drift. So many people would be upset though if they couldn’t L3 to sprint