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Is Microsoft's Xbox the new RPG powerhouse?

LazyParrot

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Brian fargo was probably going to retire after Wasteland 3 because of the constant grind to raise money. Obsidian who knows their last game was AA because of budget ffs.
The Outer Worlds exceeded expectations both critically and commercially, so they were doing pretty good. They certainly didn't need Microsoft money to keep the studio going.
Both inexile and Obsidian are staffing up thanks to Microsofts money a new rpg studio started by playground. Also besthesda won't have to worry about making garbage like fall out 76 to keep the company ahead. Avowed, Fable and inexile AAA rpg are not made with out Microsoft funds.
Most of this isn't going to translate in more games being made, though, just more expensive ones with higher production values. Ideally this would mean better games, but we've seen so many high-budget prestige projects flounder (Cyberpunk, or even Microsoft's very own Halo infinite) or fail outright (*cough* Anthem *cough*) over the past few years that that's far from certain.
 

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Always a good idea.

But lets play along. Which RPGs are coming out for Playstation?

Final Fantasy 16 is exclusive to Playstation. At least timed. That's a bigger deal to me than anything Xbox potentially has.

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Fallout 4 was pretty mediocre. Wasteland 3 didn't set the world on fire nor did Outerworlds. Playground games hasn't made a non-racing game. Plenty of reason for doubt.
Wasteland 3 is a tremendous game and my second favourite of last year behind TLOU2. Outerworlds is a good but had a tight budget, they've got a big budget now. Fallout 4 I tend to agree with you but all proven teams IMO.
 

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Just look at the RPG's slated for the Series X / S :

Forza guys - Fable.

Obsidian - Avowed.

Bethesda - Starfield, next Elder Scrolls.

InXile - Wasteland 3 came out last year, so they're definitely cooking something else.

Arkane Studios - They have Deathloop coming out soon (well its a timed exclusive for ps5) but Prey 2, new Dishonored or a new IP must be in the works.

I still have a gaming PC, so I'm not worried about not being to play these, but I will be salty if the previous third party studios in that list don't port them to PlayStation 5, just because I'm curious what dualsense implementation they would add, if any.

Perhaps the new Switch Pro could compete, but who knows?
Rather than Arkane who makes Immersive Sims, you should include Zenimax Online Studios who are making a new MMORPG project.
 
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The Outer Worlds exceeded expectations both critically and commercially, so they were doing pretty good. They certainly didn't need Microsoft money to keep the studio going.

Most of this isn't going to translate in more games being made, though, just more expensive ones with higher production values. Ideally this would mean better games, but we've seen so many high-budget prestige projects flounder (Cyberpunk, or even Microsoft's very own Halo infinite) or fail outright (*cough* Anthem *cough*) over the past few years that that's far from certain.
Man I don't get you, Microsoft are obviously pushing with more RPG's for the platform. Fable was greenlit and given to PG, they could have easily let PG do something else. Halo Infinite isn't even out so I don't even know why you mentioned that. The fact you are dismissing Microsoft's role in producing AAA RPG's and making claims like these games would have been made anyway is rather silly and at best speculation.

The poster you replied to laid out the facts but I guess for you ignorance is bliss.
 
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Don’t forget Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne coming later this month.
I'm not interested in those type of games so they are irrelevant to me.

I'm glad Xbox didn't waste resources to buy a bunch of JapanimeRPG devs and instead got some of the best WRPG devs in gaming since they are my favorite devs and are making my favorite games.
 
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Yeah, it has the two biggest WRPG studios that operate on console.... but is that enough?

I know that for me it doesn't make me want an Xbox anymore than I did last gen.
You game on PC I guess? So they already have your money. PS owners who have nothing like these games are more likely to transition to xbox as its a far cheaper option than a PC, now that's what Microsoft bought Zenimax for.
 

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I like most rpgs, western or Japanese. I think Microsoft has definitely improved not only their RPG portfolio, but at the same time (and maybe more importantly), their SINGLE PLAYER portfolio. We still need to see the full product but the future definitely looks promising and I'm here for that.
 

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I think the idea here would be to wait for all those rpg's to release,then have them be actually great games....and then name them an rpg powerhouse.Fingers crossed that all happens.
 

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Man I don't get you, Microsoft are obviously pushing with more RPG's for the platform.
Never said they weren't. It's just that I have a hard time seeing how any of it amounts to an "explosion" of new RPGs on the system.

Halo Infinite isn't even out so I don't even know why you mentioned that.
That's precisely why I'm mentioning it. If you recall, that game was supposed to launch with the new consoles back in November. Microsoft thought it was ready for release. They didn't show of that campaign trailer in July thinking people were gonna laugh at the graphics. They genuinely believed it would get people hyped and then freaked the fuck out when it didn't. It's a prime example of developers and publishers pumping huge amounts of cash and time into a prestige project only to end up with something their audience doesn't want.

The fact you are dismissing Microsoft's role in producing AAA RPG's and making claims like these games would have been made anyway is rather silly and at best speculation.
I never said these games would have been made anyway. Just that other games would have been made in their place, which is a valid point when you're talking about the number of genre releases on a console.

And if saying that the likes of Obsidian and Bethesda would have kept making and releasing games on Xbox even without Microsoft's direct backing is "speculation", then wtf is calling console is an "RPG Powerhouse" when almost all of these games are still years off and haven't been seen by anyone?
 

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Some of those are multiplats and not RPG's and others need to be confirmed console exclusive to Xbox. So no. Not yet at least.
 
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Fallout 4 was pretty mediocre. Wasteland 3 didn't set the world on fire nor did Outerworlds. Playground games hasn't made a non-racing game. Plenty of reason for doubt.
Fallout 4 has a 88 MC and was nominated for GOTY. Wasteland 3 has a 85 MC as a semi-niche game. Outerworlds was nominated for GOTY with a 85 MC aswell
 
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Eh... Yeah. I thought the sarcasm was obvious, but okay.

I was mocking people who go "let's see some actual games" every two seconds like these devs haven't proved themselves time and time again.
Oops, that flew right over my head since it seems to be the attitude of several people in this thread.
 

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Never said they weren't. It's just that I have a hard time seeing how any of it amounts to an "explosion" of new RPGs on the system.


That's precisely why I'm mentioning it. If you recall, that game was supposed to launch with the new consoles back in November. Microsoft thought it was ready for release. They didn't show of that campaign trailer in July thinking people were gonna laugh at the graphics. They genuinely believed it would get people hyped and then freaked the fuck out when it didn't. It's a prime example of developers and publishers pumping huge amounts of cash and time into a prestige project only to end up with something their audience doesn't want.


I never said these games would have been made anyway. Just that other games would have been made in their place, which is a valid point when you're talking about the number of genre releases on a console.

And if saying that the likes of Obsidian and Bethesda would have kept making and releasing games on Xbox even without Microsoft's direct backing is "speculation", then wtf is calling console is an "RPG Powerhouse" when almost all of these games are still years off and haven't been seen by anyone?
I agree with you on some points, and certainly some games would have been made regardless of Microsoft's involvement. I just think with the RPG genre being almost non existent on PS platforms this is a big advantage for Microsoft, and yes we have to wait for the games but E3 is only a month away.
Should probably add 2023 onwards to the title.
E3 my friend, I think you'll be surprised.
 
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Always a good idea.

But lets play along. Which RPGs are coming out for Playstation?
Until anything is confirmed all Bethesda RPGs could eventually release on PS5...

But let's say FF16, FF7 Remake Integrade and not announced yet but certainly FF7 Remake part 2 (or whatever it's named). Also Forespoken in 2022. Demon's Souls is already out. Horizon 2 Forbidden West could be closer to an RPG than the first one was, we'll see, and same goes for God of War Ragnarok. Many JRPGs will land on PS4/PS5 this generation, and many of them won't be on Xbox.
 

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So we aren’t allowed to be excited for games from developers with a proven pedigree, because the games aren’t right around the corner?

I guess the same people are in every Sony thread saying you can’t be hyped for Ghost of Tsushima 2, Uncharted 6 or The Last of Us part 3 because they are all 2025 or even later. I’d guess Spider-Man 2 is 2024 too. Sony previously had a habit of announcing games at E3 4 or 5 years before release with small CGI reveals, which is exactly what MS have done with Avowed and Fable. Rules for thee but not for me.

The TES 6 teaser from 2 years ago has 13 million YouTube views, which tells you everything about the hype for TES and Bathesda, and how normal it is.
 

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Undoubtedly, and it's going to start this year with Starfield. Having Bethesda RPGs be exclusive to Xbox alone makes Xbox the RPG king. Then you add Obsidian, Inxile and Playground.... Untouchable.
 
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So we aren’t allowed to be excited for games from developers with a proven pedigree, because the games aren’t right around the corner?

I guess the same people are in every Sony thread saying you can’t be hyped for Ghost of Tsushima 2, Uncharted 6 or The Last of Us part 3 because they are all 2025 or even later. I’d guess Spider-Man 2 is 2024 too. Sony previously had a habit of announcing games at E3 4 or 5 years before release with small CGI reveals, which is exactly what MS have done with Avowed and Fable. Rules for thee but not for me.

The TES 6 teaser from 2 years ago has 13 million YouTube views, which tells you everything about the hype for TES and Bathesda, and how normal it is.
Dude, it's not telling you don't be hyped. The OP is declaring the Xbox an RPG powerhouse. Fact: you can't be a powerhouse without the games, and great games at that. All we have so far is announcements, not even a snippet of GamePlay. At least PS5 has something and the little it has, either has some estimated date provided by the developer and it also has more concrete material with Gameplay. Get hyped, by all means, I can fantasize about what Spider-Man 2 will be like "in 2024", but I'll be playing FF16 next year while that one gets done. How about you?
 

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Final Fantasy 16 is exclusive to Playstation. At least timed. That's a bigger deal to me than anything Xbox potentially has.
Horses for courses but Japanese RPGs I find to be absolutely cringe inducing, from the way the characters look and act to the usually incomprehensible plot lines, western RPGs are leagues better, give me Xboxes future RPG line up over anything Squaresoft produce, I mean FFS they're getting ES6 and the biggest for me is a next gen Fable, man that'll be something else (hopefully) At least we have Horizon Zero Dawn 2 to look forward to
 
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Dude, it's not telling you don't be hyped. The OP is declaring the Xbox an RPG powerhouse. Fact: you can't be a powerhouse without the games, and great games at that. All we have so far is announcements, not even a snippet of GamePlay. At least PS5 has something and the little it has, either has some estimated date provided by the developer and it also has more concrete material with Gameplay. Get hyped, by all means, I can fantasize about what Spider-Man 2 will be like "in 2024", but I'll be playing FF16 next year while that one gets done. How about you?
I’ll be playing Halo Infinite, and maybe Starfield, which is cool, because I like Halo and Bathesda RPGs, and I think FF is pretty crap.
 
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I’ll be playing Halo Infinite, and maybe Starfield, which is cool, because I like Halo and Bathesda RPGs, and I think FF is pretty crap.
I mean which RPGs you'll be playing while you wait. You don't have a date yet for Starfield, so that's a big maybe (still). I think Bethesda RPGs are garbage. I will also be playing Horizon 2, God of War Ragnarok, Forespoken and FF7 Integrade, I'm willing to bet all of those release before any of the announced RPGs for.Xbox/PC.
 
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Do we have confirmation of Elder Scrolls and fallout "exclusivity"? I use that term lightly because I can get them on pc.

But you may not on Playstation or any other non Xbox console, and that's possibly where things are headed now that Microsoft and Xbox own Bethesda, all their IP, all their studios and technology.
 

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I'm interested in Starfield. I hope it's an open-world space exploration.

Considering it will also release on the weak xses, I think my PC is up for it.
 
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I really think we should wait until the games come out before proclaiming XBOX is the RPG powerhouse. On paper it seems that way, but it’s way too early to tell and most of those games are most likely years off. I’m expecting most of the games to be good, but honestly based on past experiences I feel we should see the quality of these games before blindly celebrating.
 
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I mean which RPGs you'll be playing while you wait. You don't have a date yet for Starfield, so that's a big maybe (still). I think Bethesda RPGs are garbage. I will also be playing Horizon 2, God of War Ragnarok, Forespoken and FF7 Integrade, I'm willing to bet all of those release before any of the announced RPGs for.Xbox/PC.
Horizon is no more an RPG than Spider-Man is, and God of War is not an RPG full stop.

I say this as someone who will be buying and platting Forbidden West.

I’ve already said that the games are years out, but the studios have proven pedigree, so what’s the harm in being excited. If Starfield doesn’t release next year (which would be pretty astounding) I’ll just make do playing other games.
 
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Fallout 4 has a 88 MC and was nominated for GOTY. Wasteland 3 has a 85 MC as a semi-niche game. Outerworlds was nominated for GOTY with a 85 MC aswell
Fan reception for fallout wasn't nearly as good. The torment game inxile made was a wet fart. I guess that doesn't matter all of a sudden?
 
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And if we’re playing play along. Probably Persona 6. A new Ni No Kuni game lol
Honestly speaking currently Playstation has no dedicated studio for making RPGs for them. Nintendo has Monolith Soft and Xbox currently has Bethesda but Playstation has none and relies heavily on third party to make RPGs for them.
 
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I forgot about mobile gaming. I'm a grownup so I don't play games on my phone.
Kids also play on consoles.

And more grown ass people play on smart phones than consoles.

Smart phones are super cuting edge and advanced today and got way bigger gaming market than consoles.
 

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I think it's fine to be skeptical of the games that will release.

The upside here is at least we will get to see some of these studios have an actual AAA budget and that kinda excites me.

Outer Worlds for example is a game I felt severely lacks funding, ignoring the sjw writing.