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Is AAA gaming creatively bankrupt?

Dr_Salt

Member
this post especially cracks me up
"AAA gaming is creatively dead"
"no it isnt indies suck"
"ok but can you provide me an example of an actually innovative creative AAA game"
"no it isnt indies suck"
"are you ok"
"no it isnt indies suck"
"i think he's broken
"no it isnt indies suck"

After some baffling responses I got in this thread that range from nonsensiscal opinions with no back up to insults I reached the conclusion that some of these posters are probably working in the AAA industry themselves.
 
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64bitmodels

Reverse groomer.
After some baffling responses I got in this thread that range from nonsensiscal opinions with not back up to insults I reached the conclusion that some of these posters are probably working in the AAA industry themselves.
When it comes down to it the majority of people on gaf that genuinely defend AAA games are nothing but graphic whores with no actual care for the medium of video games. They're the types of people who play techdemos so when they see the pretty visuals from the next new AAA game, they quickly go and shun actual creative cool games. That's why they're so adamant to call indies 8 bit garbage that's the same shit- they have never bothered because the graphics aren't as pretty as the new Last of Us or God of Bore. Shallow people that we should be gatekeeping out of the gaming community if im being honest
 
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Swift_Star

Banned
Well if that's the case maybe you could help us by creating read-worthy threads instead of always complaining like a kid.

At least OP's thread is something original that came out of his own mind, and not something taken from twitter, youtube or some sales or business webpage.
How is it original to whine about AAA gaming? It’s all you people has been doing for ages. It’s like the lot of you don’t even like gaming anymore.
 
Yes, because they replaced talented creative game designers with business people and psychologist so they can exploit gamers with microtransactions, loot boxes, and paid-to-win gaming. Modern-day gaming fucking sucks. Video games are no longer fun, they are pretty much addictive casinos.

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We DO like gaming, just not AAA gaming because it's shallow boring schlock made for the casual mainstream guys who don't care about any art..
You might, but there are plenty of people here who just complain about AAA games yet that's all they play.

"AAA games are just boring walking simulators with microtransactions these days"
"Ok, maybe you should play some indie games then"
"NOOO PIXELS HURT MY EYES!!!1!1!"
 

64bitmodels

Reverse groomer.
You might, but there are plenty of people here who just complain about AAA games yet that's all they play.

"AAA games are just boring walking simulators with microtransactions these days"
"Ok, maybe you should play some indie games then"
"NOOO PIXELS HURT MY EYES!!!1!1!"
shouldnt the AAA games hurt their eyes too since i can clearly see the pixels in most 1080p games...
i view gaming as an artform but most AAA games don't feel like art as much as they do giant wallet sucking simulators catering to the most popular and beloved trends. Games too focused on pleasing the most shallow people and extracting the most money and playtime from them.
 

Swift_Star

Banned
We DO like gaming, just not AAA gaming because it's shallow boring schlock made for the casual mainstream guys who don't care about any art..
According to who exactly? You should really get of the high horse cause I really don’t think you have any base to actually say that? What are you backgrounds?
Why do you think you’re better than this so called mainstream casual guys? And why do you keep playing and crying about AAA games? There’s a lot more games to play it to whine about something you seem to hate is getting tired. Threads like this bring nothing but hatred towards the medium. Y’all should be better.
 
According to who exactly? You should really get of the high horse cause I really don’t think you have any base to actually say that? What are you backgrounds?
Why do you think you’re better than this so called mainstream casual guys? And why do you keep playing and crying about AAA games? There’s a lot more games to play it to whine about something you seem to hate is getting tired. Threads like this bring nothing but hatred towards the medium. Y’all should be better.

...Gaming has gone downhill especially in the AAA space, we are literally playing the same games as we were since the PS360 gen.

Many genres have died off in favor of profits, and all we get are safe derivative games.

It's really not even up for discussion.
 
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Nocturno999

Member
The industry in general it's oversaturated and uninspired. That's why you can't make games that rely on communities anymore. People jump to the next flavor of the month.
 
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KXVXII9X

Member
When it comes down to it the majority of people on gaf that genuinely defend AAA games are nothing but graphic whores with no actual care for the medium of video games. They're the types of people who play techdemos so when they see the pretty visuals from the next new AAA game, they quickly go and shun actual creative cool games. That's why they're so adamant to call indies 8 bit garbage that's the same shit- they have never bothered because the graphics aren't as pretty as the new Last of Us or God of Bore. Shallow people that we should be gatekeeping out of the gaming community if im being honest
That is a HUGE generalization. Graphics aren't the end all be all, but I find overall presentation to be extremely important. (Art Direction, sound, animations, lighting, music, level design, UI/HUD, etc.) And yes, I'm looking forward to Stray the most this month, an indie. But I don't have the time for cheap looking games. I find it odd people are calling out graphic whores in the midst of a new generation when people are obviously starving for actual next generation looking games.
 
When it comes down to it the majority of people on gaf that genuinely defend AAA games are nothing but graphic whores with no actual care for the medium of video games. They're the types of people who play techdemos so when they see the pretty visuals from the next new AAA game, they quickly go and shun actual creative cool games. That's why they're so adamant to call indies 8 bit garbage that's the same shit- they have never bothered because the graphics aren't as pretty as the new Last of Us or God of Bore. Shallow people that we should be gatekeeping out of the gaming community if im being honest
I enjoyed the newest God of War thoroughly, but mostly play smaller indie games. I'm impressed by the graphics in Forza Horizon 5, but am ok playing games made by a single person. Tunic is certainly one of my favorites from this year.

This place gets weird when people starting acting like you can only play big AAA games or indies. You can just...do both.
 

FStubbs

Member
...Gaming has gone downhill especially in the AAA space, we are literally playing the same games as we were since the PS360 gen.

Many genres have died off in favor of profits, and all we get are safe derivative games.

It's really not even up for discussion.
AAA games are so expensive they have to hit the lowest common denominator, which usually means the monogenre. Open world, graphics, checkpoints, graphics, online multiplayer, graphics, microtransactions, graphics, RPG-ish skills/perks, etc.
 

Abriael_GN

RSI Employee of the Year
Damn dude it is just a thread for fun. "Banal", "ultrageneralization", "abuse", why are you so triggered?
If I'm wrong then would you mind pointing out where all these innovative AAA games are because I surely want to play them.

Ya'll who think you know better always throw around the idea that AAA games aren't "creative" or "Innovative" but can you even define what that means?

There is a ton of creativity that goes into every single half-decent game on Earth. It doesn't need to be expressed in features that are crazy out there to be entirely valid creativity. Even just writing a remotely interesting story is by definition a very creative process. Give it a try. Let's see what you come up with. There's no "creative bankruptcy" (which is one of the most nonsensical catchphrases you see nowadays). It's simply creativity expressed in ways that may not interest you specifically.

Well if that's the case maybe you could help us by creating read-worthy threads instead of always complaining like a kid.

Repeating exactly the same thing doesn't help your point a great deal you know?

At least OP's thread is something original that came out of his own mind, and not something taken from twitter, youtube or some sales or business webpage.

Original? Generic complaint about the state of the AAA industry is your idea of original? That must be one of the most common topics you see around. 😂

Calling developers uncreative is almost as nonsensical as calling them lazy nowadays.

What does "creatively bankrupt" mean? It just seems like a vague critism.

People use catchphrases when they don't really know what point they want to make.
 
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Dr_Salt

Member
Ya'll who think you know better always throw around the idea that AAA games aren't "creative" or "Innovative" but can you even define what that means?

There is a ton of creativity that goes into every single half-decent game on Earth. It doesn't need to be expressed in features that are crazy out there to be entirely valid creativity. Even just writing a remotely interesting story is by definition a very creative process. Give it a try. Let's see what you come up with. There's no "creative bankruptcy" (which is one of the most nonsensical catchphrases you see nowadays). It's simply creativity expressed in ways that may not interest you specifically.
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Try reading the OP again, if you even read it in the first place. Btw, still waiting for the list of those innovative AAA games from recent years so I can go play them.
 

mxbison

Member
Most people want the same old shit. Just like with movies.

So publishers are happy to feed it to them without taking unnecessary risks.
 
pretty much.

most AAA games these days are a weird combo of being risk-adverse due to super high development costs, yet having large enough resources to push existing ideas to new heights.

consider nintendo: most of their IPs came from before the 2000s.
 
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Abriael_GN

RSI Employee of the Year
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Try reading the OP again, if you even read it in the first place. Btw, still waiting for the list of those innovative AAA games from recent years so I can go play them.

Dodging the question won't help your "point" (you didn't really make one, so it can't be missed). Yet, that's not surprising. People who complain about lack of creativity or innovation in video games normally don't know what these concepts that they use as empty catchwords even mean, given that they peddle them as generic complaints and placeholders for actual motivated criticism.
 
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Dr_Salt

Member
Dodging the question won't help your "point" (you didn't really make one, so it can't be missed). Yet, that's not surprising. People who complain about lack of creativity or innovation in video games normally don't know what these concepts that they use as empty catchwords even mean, given that they peddle them as generic complaints and placeholders for actual motivated criticism.
Funny that of all the people who replied it is only you who didn't get the message and since you refuse to give examples to prove your point then I'm gonna assume my criticism stands true.
 

Haggard

Banned
With dozens of millions of dollars at risk, can you really fault anyone for playing it safe?
It`s always some underdogs who drive innovation while the big market players build upon a proven winning formula. The big ones simply have too much to lose.
Same as in the movie industry, really.
 
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Three

Member
this post especially cracks me up
"AAA gaming is creatively dead"
"no it isnt indies suck"
"ok but can you provide me an example of an actually innovative creative AAA game"
"no it isnt indies suck"
"are you ok"
"no it isnt indies suck"
"i think he's broken
"no it isnt indies suck"
Recently Death Stranding was pretty unique. Elden ring. Wreckfest is cool with the car mechanics too. It's just that when a AAA game does something completely different it gets less noticed for that thing.

I would say in the indie scene there are just as many clones and little innovation too. It's just that when an unkown game becomes popular it's usually because it has something new. AAA games have this too but a marketed game is popular for other reasons aswell and the unique mechanic is discussed less.

What are some innovate B/AA games?
 

JimmyRustler

Gold Member
With dozens of millions of dollars at risk, can you really fault anyone for playing it safe?
It`s always some underdogs who drive innovation while the big market players build upon a proven winning formula. The big ones simply have too much to lose.
Same as in the movie industry, really.
The business just got too big and commercialized in general. It was unavoidable basically and it's only going to get worse from here on in.
When you go from 10-50 people making a AAA game to 500+ people than something is going to be lost along the way. Same with movies. The production just keeps getting bigger and bigger. There is just no other way as you have to keep wowing the audience.

Bottom line... 90s and 00s are never coming back. Except if someone comes up with a new form of entertain and we can then enoying that before it gets super-commercialized.
 

Haggard

Banned
The business just got too big and commercialized in general. It was unavoidable basically and it's only going to get worse from here on in.
Big business is a development motor for the technical side though. Might be that innovation suffers on some levels, but technological push is constant in those environments and at least that is a good thing I´d absolutely not want to miss.
 
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JimmyRustler

Gold Member
Big business is a development motor for the technical side though. Might be that innovation suffers on some levels, but technological push is constant in those environments and at least that is a good thing I´d absolutely not want to miss.
Me neither. I don't want the industry to stay in the same place. Just wanted to illustrate that what happens is simply a natural progression, as always more and more people are going to be needed to keep the technical progression going. The movie indstury kinda seems to have caped out at 200$ dollar budget as from what I can see most movies do not cross that line, even though we keep seeing progression. Wonder what that cap will be with gaming.
 

Dr. Claus

Vincit qui se vincit
Dodging the question won't help your "point" (you didn't really make one, so it can't be missed). Yet, that's not surprising. People who complain about lack of creativity or innovation in video games normally don't know what these concepts that they use as empty catchwords even mean, given that they peddle them as generic complaints and placeholders for actual motivated criticism.

Once again, you actively defend a massive scam game called Scam Citizen. You, of all people, have no right to speak on this topic.
 
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