• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
  • The Politics forum has been nuked. Please do not bring political discussion to the rest of the site, or you will be removed. Thanks.

Intel Core i9-12900K Alder Lake CPU "Destroys" AMD Ryzen 9 5950X In Single-Core & Mult-Threaded Benchmark Leak

Silver Wattle

Member
May 21, 2018
535
769
405
Wccftech is one of those sites that posts "huge IPC gains!!!" For every new generation.
Will wait for anandtech.
 

JohnnyFootball

GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Jan 20, 2014
12,220
8,023
1,035
AMD is officially finished. They will have nothing to counter this. The 5000 series are their last CPUs they will ever be releasing. They're just gonna roll over and let Intel regain everything.
sarcasm alert
 
Last edited:

scraz

Member
Feb 10, 2014
159
125
520
Still happy with my 3800X over here playing everything at 4K60 with my 3080FE. look forward to picking up something new in 2-3 years when DDR5 isn't a arm and a leg.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: chinoXL

dave_d

Member
Jan 31, 2005
2,137
835
1,580
~145-150w for the 5900x as far as I remember from the reviews.
Well that one says it's specifically running a test called AIDA64 which runs hot. Not sure what those chips would get to running that test.
 

dave_d

Member
Jan 31, 2005
2,137
835
1,580
Still happy with my 3800X over here playing everything at 4K60 with my 3080FE. look forward to picking up something new in 2-3 years when DDR5 isn't a arm and a leg.
I think I'm in the same boat. Running a 3800xt (it was cheap) on a 3070 and I can run everything at 1440p no problem and I'll probably upgrade in 3-4 years when hopefully video cards and DDR5 is normal price.(Hopefully new chip factories will open up in other countries.)
 

Haggard

Member
Nov 25, 2020
813
1,549
460
Well that one says it's specifically running a test called AIDA64 which runs hot. Not sure what those chips would get to running that test.
AIDA64 with everything turned on is pretty much the standard stability test and nothing extraordinary. Power consumption for the non OC 5900x is still around the 150w mark during stress testing.
If Alder Lake indeed goes far beyond the 200w mark and into the 90°C range it better be leaps and bounds above the Ryzens performance.

edit (actually it`s even less)
 
Last edited:

cyber69

Member
Sep 21, 2018
2,420
4,379
425
Yep. 225w is stupid. This is Intel in desperation mode. AMD has Intel by the balls at this point.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Griffon

Insane Metal

Member
Mar 11, 2006
26,918
21,818
2,180
Br
Yep. 225w is stupid. This is Intel in desperation mode. AMD has Intel by the balls at this point.
Absolutely ridiculous, and considering they have 8P (performance) cores and 8e ("efficient") cores this makes no sense to me. I mean, the 5950X is current gen and doesn't even get to 200W according to the chart above.
 
Last edited:

ZywyPL

Member
Nov 27, 2018
6,020
10,714
725
I still fail to understand why they didn't went with a normal 12/24 setup...
 

Armorian

Banned
Jan 17, 2018
3,298
5,287
520
I still fail to understand why they didn't went with a normal 12/24 setup...

Maybe its easier/cheaper to make 8 advanced cores instead of 12 on monolithic die.... They still don't use chiplets dont they?
 

JohnnyFootball

GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Jan 20, 2014
12,220
8,023
1,035
I do have to wonder if piss poor GPU availability will negatively affect sales of Alder Lake.
 

Epic Sax CEO

Member
Nov 4, 2019
718
1,417
385
Last Intel CPUs all showed these same strong results before launch.
This CPU will probably beat the current Zen 3, but at what coast? Despite the "little cores" it looks like it uses even more power than before, a few percent faster is really worth the +100W? (that will demand more expensive boards and PSU?)
 

Kenpachii

Member
Mar 23, 2018
9,101
11,332
815
I mean, every year new GPUs come out, how would this be a deal breaker?

People that don't sit on 4k but lower resolutions aka practically everybody will be cpu bottlenecked before gpu sooner rather then later which will result in people not upgrading. There is no point in upgrading your GPU when u sit at 80% gpu usage on a game already. Now we can see next gen games that push performance down the drain on the GPU department again but currently the only thing we got that pushes gpu's down the brink is 4k and Raytracing and with raytracing cpu's get also heavily nuked, so it doesn't help either.
 
Last edited:

tusharngf

Member
Oct 25, 2017
403
982
435
Intel 12th Gen Alder Lake 35W Desktop CPU Lineup Leaks Out - Core i9 With 16, Core i7 With 12, Core i5 With 6 & Core i3 With 4 Cores (wccftech.com)

  • i9-12900T 16 (8+8) 24T 30MB L3 up to 4.9GHz UHD Graphics 770
  • i7-12700T 12 (8+4) 20T 25MB L3 up to 4.7GHz UHD Graphics 770
  • i5-12600T 6 (6+0) 12T 18MB L3 up to 4.6GHz UHD Graphics 770
  • i5-12500T 6 (6+0) 12T 18MB L3 up to 4.4GHz UHD Graphics 770
  • i5-12400T 6 (6+0) 12T 18MB L3 up to 4.2GHz UHD Graphics 730
  • i3-12300T 4 (4+0) 8T 12MB L3 up to 4.2GHz UHD Graphics 730
  • i3-12100T 4 (4+0) 8T 12MB L3 up to 4.1GHz UHD Graphics 730

Intel 12th Gen Alder Lake Desktop CPU Specs "Rumored"​

CPU NameP-Core CountE-Core CountTotal Core / ThreadP-Core Base / Boost (Max)P-Core Boost (All-Core)E-Core Base / BoostE-Core Boost (All-Core)CacheTDP (PL1)TDP (PL2)Expected (MSRP) Price
Intel Core i9-12900K8816 / 243.2 / 5.3 GHz5.0 GHz (All Core)TBA / 3.9 GHz3.7 GHz (All Core)30 MB125W228W$599 US
Core i9-129008816 / 243.2 / 5.2 GHz4.9 GHz (All Core)TBATBA30 MB65W~200W$509 US
Core i9-12900T8816 / 24TBA / 4.9 GHzTBATBATBA30 MB35WTBATBA
Intel Core i7-12700K8412 / 203.6 / 5.0 GHz4.7 GHz (All Core)TBA / 3.8 GHz3.6 GHz (All Core)25 MB125W228W$429 US
Core i7-127008412 / 203.6 / 4.9 GHz4.6 GHz (All Core)TBATBA25 MB65W~200W$359 US
Core i7-12700TTBA / 4.7 GHzTBATBATBA25 MB35WTBATBA
Intel Core i5-12600K6410 / 163.7 / 4.9 GHz4.5 GHz (All Core)TBA / 3.6 GHz3.4 GHz (All Core)20 MB125W228W$279 US
Core i5-12600606 / 123.7 / 4.8 GHz4.4GHz (All Core)TBATBA18 MB65W~200W$249 US
Core i5-12600T606 / 12TBA / 4.6 GHzTBATBATBA18 MB35WTBATBA
Core i5-12500T606 / 12TBA / 4.4 GHzTBATBATBA18 MB35WTBATBA
Core i5-12400606 / 12TBATBATBATBA18 MB65W~200W$203 US
Core i5-12400T606 / 12TBA / 4.2 GHzTBATBATBA18 MB35WTBATBA
Core i3-12200T404 / 8TBA / 4.2 GHzTBATBATBA12 MB35WTBATBA
Core i3-12100T404 / 8TBA / 4.1 GHzTBATBATBA12 MB35WTBATBA
 

DonkeyPunchJr

Member
Nov 1, 2020
912
1,787
380
WTF even their “65 watt” CPUs hit 200W?

Hope the 35W ones are significantly better than that. Seems like you won’t have to give up too much performance compared to the others
 
  • LOL
Reactions: MetalRain

Allandor

Member
Feb 8, 2018
1,367
1,075
435
Germany




"Destroys"... I mean... +12% ST and +3~4% MT... still that's pretty good considering how shit Intel's 11th gen was. Finally 10nm!

Now we wait for nextgen Ryzen also.

Competition is good!
- A CPU that is not available vs a CPU that is available for months.
- Geekbench ...
- A CPU that should again be optimized around reaching as high boost-clocks as possible to win benchmarks ("just forget the energy-usage but give us speed")

Abandon the thread.
 

Rikkori

Member
May 9, 2020
2,704
5,111
470
Just waiting for raytracing gaming #s and results with a DH14 (or eq.) and then DDR5 prices. If results are gonna disappoint like I expect them to, and DDR5's too expensive then I might just go for Zen 3 w/ VCache even though I was holding out for AM5. The latency of DDR5 just sound too stupid and it's gonna be a couple of years until that gets sorted out, so why pay extra? 💤
 

Ellery

Member
Feb 17, 2019
1,995
3,685
525
35
Manches, Amsterdam, Berlin
Just waiting for raytracing gaming #s and results with a DH14 (or eq.) and then DDR5 prices. If results are gonna disappoint like I expect them to, and DDR5's too expensive then I might just go for Zen 3 w/ VCache even though I was holding out for AM5. The latency of DDR5 just sound too stupid and it's gonna be a couple of years until that gets sorted out, so why pay extra? 💤

Why raytracing results for a CPU? That seems like looking at a GPU taxing task where the CPU doesn't run into its limit
 

LordOfChaos

Member
Mar 31, 2014
12,103
7,667
985
I 'member when "Destroy" was like 30-50%. But 12% ST gains these days are hard to come buy and pretty good. Even looks like Apple has tapered off with the A15.
 

STARSBarry

Gold Member
May 19, 2019
876
1,813
500
With that power consumption I dread to think what the thermal output is going to be like.
 

DonkeyPunchJr

Member
Nov 1, 2020
912
1,787
380

This is ridiculous. No way in hell we should spend that kind of power budget on a CPU

hope the reviews really nail them for heat/power consumption. Not just “wow it’s the new gaming king because it beats existing CPUs by 0.5%!!”
 
Last edited:

ACESHIGH

Member
May 16, 2020
1,146
1,994
395
FX 6300 at stock speeds still runs almost every game available as long as I cap FPS to 30 in CPU heavy AAA games.
I can't believe how a 9 year old entry level CPU is still putting up a fight. Gotta thank the weak jaguar cores for that.

Honestly if you upgrade to one of these bad boys how long will it take until they become obsolete Moore's law and all? Chances are you are set until 2035.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Dream-Knife

Dream-Knife

Member
Feb 22, 2021
1,547
1,841
430
Still happy with my 3800X over here playing everything at 4K60 with my 3080FE. look forward to picking up something new in 2-3 years when DDR5 isn't a arm and a leg.
Unless you're playing 1080p 360hz, or playing old games at 600+ FPS, you likely won't see a benefit to upgrading.
 

Imtjnotu

Member
Nov 4, 2017
3,735
12,645
690
san diego
I'll be sticking with my 3950 for awhile.

Meanwhile Intel out here not giving a fuck about anyone's electric bill
 

Epic Sax CEO

Member
Nov 4, 2019
718
1,417
385
WTF even their “65 watt” CPUs hit 200W?

Hope the 35W ones are significantly better than that. Seems like you won’t have to give up too much performance compared to the others

To use one of these you'll have to buy new boards, and these new boards have higher energy requirements. These CPU with "power efficient small cores" will use MORE not less power than the previous gen, even with the new node.

Still happy with my 3800X over here playing everything at 4K60 with my 3080FE. look forward to picking up something new in 2-3 years when DDR5 isn't a arm and a leg.
Unless you're playing 1080p 360hz, or playing old games at 600+ FPS, you likely won't see a benefit to upgrading.

Just wait for Zen 3D.
 
Last edited:

IntentionalPun

Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Aug 28, 2019
8,987
16,521
660
Will that Vcache on the CPU matter with DirectStorage?

Lots of game data has nothing to do w/ graphical assets that can now be sent more directly to a GPU.

I don't think a CPU cache would ever really effect that stuff anyways.
 

Dream-Knife

Member
Feb 22, 2021
1,547
1,841
430
Lots of game data has nothing to do w/ graphical assets that can now be sent more directly to a GPU.

I don't think a CPU cache would ever really effect that stuff anyways.
This is saying a 15% performance improvement at 1080p, but we already knew 1080p is CPU bound.
 

Epic Sax CEO

Member
Nov 4, 2019
718
1,417
385
Will that Vcache on the CPU matter with DirectStorage?

It's the right path for you.
Zen 3 is already a massive boost on games over Zen 2, with that extra cache it may be even faster than Zen 4 without extra cache. And specially, it's just buy and slot right in, no need to spend a fortune buying new mobo or memory, something that you'll have to do if you switch for Alder Lake.
 

Dream-Knife

Member
Feb 22, 2021
1,547
1,841
430
It's the right path for you.
Zen 3 is already a massive boost on games over Zen 2, with that extra cache it may be even faster than Zen 4 without extra cache. And specially, it's just buy and slot right in, no need to spend a fortune buying new mobo or memory, something that you'll have to do if you switch for Alder Lake.
But why would I replace my 5600x if I only get 40% utilization max? I'm gpu bound at 1440p ultra 170hz.
 
Last edited:

WitchHunter

Banned
Jun 22, 2021
594
425
275
Buy CPU because... can't find any reason. Can it make scrambled eggs or somethin or just raw power?
 

DeaDPooL_jlp

Member
Sep 20, 2015
2,938
4,415
640
I'm assuming this would pair greatly with my rtx 3090? I feel I'm leaving performance on the table with my i79700k...
 

Rikkori

Member
May 9, 2020
2,704
5,111
470
Why raytracing results for a CPU? That seems like looking at a GPU taxing task where the CPU doesn't run into its limit
Raytracing actually hits CPUs VERY HARD. If you want even a smooth 60 fps then you need an absolute monster that's OC & tightly tuned memory (5950x or 11900K). In fact that's what's so sad about this gen of GPUs for RT: Nvidia has problems with CPU usage, and AMD has weaker GPU RT performance. So neither really can run "freely". Closest thing to a good scenario is a 5950X super-tuned + an RTX 3090, but that's excessive for the returns. Either way RT is HUNGRY for CPU performance, so the faster the better, bring on the next-gen!


Will that Vcache on the CPU matter with DirectStorage?
That has nothing to do with it. DirectStorage is purely for asset decompression & the like (from disk storage, i.e. SSD/HDD, to RAM/VRAM->VRAM), when we're talking CPU cache we're talking much more low level stuff which is crucial for good performance. They're in different realms entirely.
 

ZywyPL

Member
Nov 27, 2018
6,020
10,714
725
Intel 12th Gen Alder Lake 35W Desktop CPU Lineup Leaks Out - Core i9 With 16, Core i7 With 12, Core i5 With 6 & Core i3 With 4 Cores (wccftech.com)

  • i9-12900T 16 (8+8) 24T 30MB L3 up to 4.9GHz UHD Graphics 770
  • i7-12700T 12 (8+4) 20T 25MB L3 up to 4.7GHz UHD Graphics 770
  • i5-12600T 6 (6+0) 12T 18MB L3 up to 4.6GHz UHD Graphics 770
  • i5-12500T 6 (6+0) 12T 18MB L3 up to 4.4GHz UHD Graphics 770
  • i5-12400T 6 (6+0) 12T 18MB L3 up to 4.2GHz UHD Graphics 730
  • i3-12300T 4 (4+0) 8T 12MB L3 up to 4.2GHz UHD Graphics 730
  • i3-12100T 4 (4+0) 8T 12MB L3 up to 4.1GHz UHD Graphics 730

Intel 12th Gen Alder Lake Desktop CPU Specs "Rumored"​

CPU NameP-Core CountE-Core CountTotal Core / ThreadP-Core Base / Boost (Max)P-Core Boost (All-Core)E-Core Base / BoostE-Core Boost (All-Core)CacheTDP (PL1)TDP (PL2)Expected (MSRP) Price
Intel Core i9-12900K8816 / 243.2 / 5.3 GHz5.0 GHz (All Core)TBA / 3.9 GHz3.7 GHz (All Core)30 MB125W228W$599 US
Core i9-129008816 / 243.2 / 5.2 GHz4.9 GHz (All Core)TBATBA30 MB65W~200W$509 US
Core i9-12900T8816 / 24TBA / 4.9 GHzTBATBATBA30 MB35WTBATBA
Intel Core i7-12700K8412 / 203.6 / 5.0 GHz4.7 GHz (All Core)TBA / 3.8 GHz3.6 GHz (All Core)25 MB125W228W$429 US
Core i7-127008412 / 203.6 / 4.9 GHz4.6 GHz (All Core)TBATBA25 MB65W~200W$359 US
Core i7-12700TTBA / 4.7 GHzTBATBATBA25 MB35WTBATBA
Intel Core i5-12600K6410 / 163.7 / 4.9 GHz4.5 GHz (All Core)TBA / 3.6 GHz3.4 GHz (All Core)20 MB125W228W$279 US
Core i5-12600606 / 123.7 / 4.8 GHz4.4GHz (All Core)TBATBA18 MB65W~200W$249 US
Core i5-12600T606 / 12TBA / 4.6 GHzTBATBATBA18 MB35WTBATBA
Core i5-12500T606 / 12TBA / 4.4 GHzTBATBATBA18 MB35WTBATBA
Core i5-12400606 / 12TBATBATBATBA18 MB65W~200W$203 US
Core i5-12400T606 / 12TBA / 4.2 GHzTBATBATBA18 MB35WTBATBA
Core i3-12200T404 / 8TBA / 4.2 GHzTBATBATBA12 MB35WTBATBA
Core i3-12100T404 / 8TBA / 4.1 GHzTBATBATBA12 MB35WTBATBA

What a mess, why no 8+0 configuration? Probably will launch some time later anyway knowing Intel. Who thought that big.LITTLE desing is a good idea for desktoos to begin with?