ParaSeoul
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Studios a little too white for my liking........
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Insomniac is being coronated way to soon
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bender
What time is it?
They are saving the masterpiece for Spider Gwen.
Apeopleman
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
Insomniac are kings of graphics. Gameplay? Eh. It's ok.
Apeopleman
Member
why do all the playstation homies always forget to put Guerilla games in their top 3? They made one of the best FPS of all time, Killzone 2. game still looks and plays better than most of the garbage out today
horizon and horizon 2 both GOTY contenders
and when Guerilla drops socom for Ps5, it’ll be lights out. best mulitplayer of this generation for sure
horizon and horizon 2 both GOTY contenders
and when Guerilla drops socom for Ps5, it’ll be lights out. best mulitplayer of this generation for sure
YoshiMadness
Member
Come on guys, the original Spyro trilogy is golden and you know it!
bender
What time is it?
I've only played the remake and I fell off of it pretty quickly.
I agree. I've heard this talk quite a lot and it doesn't seem accurate to me.
They're definitely Sony's most *productive* studio - it seems like they basically have 3 AAA teams now, and almost certainly put out a game at least once every 18 months.
And all their output is solid, no doubt. But as far as I can see, they've never once put out a game as good as Uncharted 2, say, or God of War.
Naughty Dog releases games of that quality consistently, as do Santa Monica. They're the 2 best studios, and Naughty Dog is probably the best because they've built two stellar franchises and SSM just the one so far.
I'd put Insomniac as the third most important. Then Guerrilla, then Sucker Punch. After that there's a drop off in quality and/or significance.
kuncol02
Banned
Before? That didn't changed at all. They only changed style to more "serious" and "cinematic"
I didn't played last one, but all previous ones basically play like first ones on PS2. That's most stagnant series in whole industry (even EA sports games changed more since PS2 years), not that it's bad series, but if you played few of them then you played all of them.
GymWolf
Member
You can surely throw guerrilla in the mix since horizon was the most successful new sony ip from past gen and many consider killzone 2 one of the best fps ever created.
Not even sure if sucker punch has the same amount of "winning" in their history to easily pass guerrilla on a list...
Not even sure if sucker punch has the same amount of "winning" in their history to easily pass guerrilla on a list...
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Arguing that Insomniac is not a premier SIE studio while putting Sucker Punch there is really brave thing to do.
InFamous: Second Son had Metacritic score of 80/100 which is lower then anything that Insomniac put out in last few years. And even Ghost of Tsushima have lower score then Rift Apart.
Sooo. Weird flex, but OK.
I would argue that Guerrilla is "more premier" studio then Sucker Punch. Because outside of ShadowFall they produced excellent Killzone games and then they successfully transitioned to another genre and found success there too.
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Banjo64
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It always makes me laugh when you shift back 1 game by the studios listed.
Infamous Second Son
God of War Ascension
Guerilla: Killzone Shadow Fall
Now imagine we’re back in time 5 years and those are those studios’ latest releases, are you still including them in the ‘premiere studio’ discussion? I’m not.
Based on historic, consistent contribution for me it goes;
Insomniac
ND
Santa Monica
Polyphony
Sucker Punch
Guerilla
Infamous Second Son
God of War Ascension
Guerilla: Killzone Shadow Fall
Now imagine we’re back in time 5 years and those are those studios’ latest releases, are you still including them in the ‘premiere studio’ discussion? I’m not.
Based on historic, consistent contribution for me it goes;
Insomniac
ND
Santa Monica
Polyphony
Sucker Punch
Guerilla
John Wick
Member
It's simple, by the time ND release one game Insomniac can release two. If Insomniac took the same time as ND I'm sure their games would be better and more polished.
ND are way too slow, lose talent all the time because of crunch practises. Maybe they should hire more quality staff and try to keep them by improving working conditions.
waquzy
Member
Very true
Arun1910
Member
Is retarder a word? I think I just learnt a word
Papacheeks
Banned
Sounds like you need a hug Marcellus you come off Pissy in almost every thread? If you dont like people making threads and discussion videos games then find a new site.
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Kev Kev
Member
Exactly
we don’t all have to come to an agreement on who’s #1 and who is “the winner”. We can have different tastes and opinions on what we personally consider to be good or the best, even if other people disagree with that. If I were a shareholder or making some kind of commission off the success of these games, then I could understand some spirit of competition, but we’re just consumers lol. Sales numbers and aggregate scores shouldn’t matter to a consumer, only if they actually enjoy the product or not, regardless of what anyone else thinks.
It’s pointless to type this out, of course, because gamers are basically large children who are never going to change so…
sephiroth7x
Member
There are a few studios I like who work with Sony.
Naughty Dog
Santa Monica
Insomniac
These are the three lauded ones yet I really like:
Bend
Sucker Punch
Bend did such a good job with Days Gone and never quite got the validation they deserved for me. Sucker Punch have just made good solid games for years now but seems as if Ghost of Tsushima has got them that praise.
Naughty Dog
Santa Monica
Insomniac
These are the three lauded ones yet I really like:
Bend
Sucker Punch
Bend did such a good job with Days Gone and never quite got the validation they deserved for me. Sucker Punch have just made good solid games for years now but seems as if Ghost of Tsushima has got them that praise.
Interfectum
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Infested Goblin
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Om im gonna say it. Spiderman is one of the most overhyped game ever. It's solid 8/10, great graphics and movement around the city but missions and ubisoft style open world with tons of dull activities and map markers was so bad for the experience for me..
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
What the hell is this.
I can't believe some of you. And crunch bring brought up because we're all so damn woke and triggered. Get the hell out of here with that shit.
I can't believe some of you. And crunch bring brought up because we're all so damn woke and triggered. Get the hell out of here with that shit.
VAVA Mk2
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LOU2
skit_data
Member
Their output is insane. They may not reach the highest of highs but the speed at which they develop games that are all within the same ballpark quality-wise as some of the other studios make them very important to PlayStation.
If Sony somehow manages to apply their way of managing their projects and teams to their other studios and keep their level of quality Insomniac Games would cease to be their most important studio (other than the crazy Marvel IP they handle) in my eyes. Imagine SSM or ND putting out games with the same speed as Insomniac while retaining their quality.
If Sony somehow manages to apply their way of managing their projects and teams to their other studios and keep their level of quality Insomniac Games would cease to be their most important studio (other than the crazy Marvel IP they handle) in my eyes. Imagine SSM or ND putting out games with the same speed as Insomniac while retaining their quality.
sublimit
Banned
I'm pretty sure even shareholders don't give a rat's ass about metacritic. What they care about are numbers and on that front Insomniac has delivered more than any other Sony studio.Exactly
we don’t all have to come to an agreement on who’s #1 and who is “the winner”. We can have different tastes and opinions on what we personally consider to be good or the best, even if other people disagree with that. If I were a shareholder or making some kind of commission off the success of these games, then I could understand some spirit of competition, but we’re just consumers lol. Sales numbers and aggregate scores shouldn’t matter to a consumer, only if they actually enjoy the product or not, regardless of what anyone else thinks.
It’s pointless to type this out, of course, because gamers are basically large children who are never going to change so…
(Not that sales indicate the quality of a game or a studio either.)
Concern
Member
I knew Jason was among us.
OT: There's nothing wrong with them being labeled the premier studio. Look at the quality of their work and at the pace they're moving. They're literally carrying Sony right now while everyone is in another long dev cycle.
Spider-Man, MM expansion, Ratchet, Spider-Man 2, and Wolverine from 2018 to maybe 2023 - 2024? Thats impressive af.
Cyber_hunter026
Member
hemo memo
Gold Member
You have an account in a gaming forum and you are posting in a thread with the topic being discussed. So you do.
ZywyPL
Banned
I think it comes due to combination of multiple factors:
- ND fell out of grace after Druckmann stepped in, their recent games direction is not as universally acclaimed as during UC2-TLoU period, no one calls them Naughty Gods anymore, the technical level of their games is still top notch yes, but other studios have caught up and even surpassed them in some aspects, IG specifically in upscaling, RT and texture details, plus recently with R&C tech;
- SSM begin stuck with GoW franchise forever means people know exactly what to expect years before they even announce anything, it's hard to get excited for the next CoD or Fifa you know, same is starting to happen here, plus the recent reveal being underwhelming doesn;t help, many call Ragnarok an expansion;
- GG being technically there with everyone else obviously but they haven't make any appealing game other than HFW, where again, many say it's just a poor's man Ubisoft game;
- SP still has some catching up to do, inFamous:SS was a big step in terms of technical level for them, while GoT in terms of studio recognition, but technically they're still a notch below the other 4 studios;
So all in all I think a lot has to do with the fact that once all of the main studios reached more or less the same, high technical level, people aren't blinded by the graphics alone anymore and it all comes down to the gameplay, and IG has always made games that are simple, fun and enjoyable to play. Plus as mentioned before, they're indeed leading the pack in terms of some graphical/technical features.
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Also - as oppose to other studios IG doesnt need 5-6 years to make a single game.
- ND fell out of grace after Druckmann stepped in, their recent games direction is not as universally acclaimed as during UC2-TLoU period, no one calls them Naughty Gods anymore, the technical level of their games is still top notch yes, but other studios have caught up and even surpassed them in some aspects, IG specifically in upscaling, RT and texture details, plus recently with R&C tech;
- SSM begin stuck with GoW franchise forever means people know exactly what to expect years before they even announce anything, it's hard to get excited for the next CoD or Fifa you know, same is starting to happen here, plus the recent reveal being underwhelming doesn;t help, many call Ragnarok an expansion;
- GG being technically there with everyone else obviously but they haven't make any appealing game other than HFW, where again, many say it's just a poor's man Ubisoft game;
- SP still has some catching up to do, inFamous:SS was a big step in terms of technical level for them, while GoT in terms of studio recognition, but technically they're still a notch below the other 4 studios;
So all in all I think a lot has to do with the fact that once all of the main studios reached more or less the same, high technical level, people aren't blinded by the graphics alone anymore and it all comes down to the gameplay, and IG has always made games that are simple, fun and enjoyable to play. Plus as mentioned before, they're indeed leading the pack in terms of some graphical/technical features.
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Also - as oppose to other studios IG doesnt need 5-6 years to make a single game.
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junguler
Banned
well, i lived enough in english speaking sites i'll dab myself at making new words too which usually only gets used by myself.
Zok310
Banned
I have not played a ND game since LL was released. Nothing they do now gets my attention.
Yet I have literally played every insomniac game released since LL, every single one.
I’m willing to bet that by the time ND releases a game insomniac will have over 5 games released on PS5.
ND have become polyphony, make a good game but it takes them damn near a whole gen to do so.
Good luck to them, no way they topping ND this gen.
Yet I have literally played every insomniac game released since LL, every single one.
I’m willing to bet that by the time ND releases a game insomniac will have over 5 games released on PS5.
ND have become polyphony, make a good game but it takes them damn near a whole gen to do so.
Good luck to them, no way they topping ND this gen.
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BabyfaceRe
Member
There were more gameplay mechanics and innovations in the first ratchet and clank than there was in either TLoU game.
There is more to games than gorgeous graphics and animations that play out like a movie.
Fun, creativity, variety and high levels of quality are what I would associate with insomniac. Naughty dog havnt innovated since uncharted and instead spent the last 4 games iterating on the same formula. The level of quality they produce is insanely high but if all they do is iterate on 3rd person cinematic action adventure over and over, then how they any different from a CoD developer? Same game, new tech, new lick of paint.
There is more to games than gorgeous graphics and animations that play out like a movie.
Fun, creativity, variety and high levels of quality are what I would associate with insomniac. Naughty dog havnt innovated since uncharted and instead spent the last 4 games iterating on the same formula. The level of quality they produce is insanely high but if all they do is iterate on 3rd person cinematic action adventure over and over, then how they any different from a CoD developer? Same game, new tech, new lick of paint.
Unknown?
Member
Sure, if you're only focusing on combat depth and nothing else. GOW was way better in other areas like level design, bosses, story telling. The sum of all its parts was higher than the sum of those two games.
AmuroChan
Member
It's not just that Insomniac is handling Marvel IPs. There're other Marvel games on the market and those developers do not get the same recognition Insomniac does. If anything, the pressure is higher when you're working with a massive IP because the audience has predisposed expectations. You screw up an IP that people really care about and you're going to get dunked on for it (see Avengers).
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Gameplaylover
Member
Spider-Man is by far the biggest name and even the 49 metacritic The Amazing Spider-Man 2 from 2014 topped some of the sales charts and sold well if i remember correctly.
Here you got a big and decent studio + big Sony money + monster budget marketing + let's just say a very very very strong inspiration by the successful Batman Arkham Series. Risc of failing was not too high.
Die Namek Ability
Member
Ive said it before and ill say it again, out of the top 5 the best studio is the one that last released a game. They are all uber talented and keep leep frogging each other and it started about half way through the PS3 gen. Its an incredibly impressive track record and the primary reason i buy a PS console on day one.
Also it speaks volumes that Bend, Housemaurq, Bluepoint (just anounce it already), Media Molicule etc are the B teams.
Also it speaks volumes that Bend, Housemaurq, Bluepoint (just anounce it already), Media Molicule etc are the B teams.
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ReBurn
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The Amazing Spider-Man 2
The Amazing Spider-Man, this all-new third-person action-adventure video game builds on the story of the previous game with an alternative take on the events of the upcoming movie, while also giving players an enhanced, free-roaming web-slinging experience through a greatly expanded New York City.
www.metacritic.com