ResilientBanana
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Inside the target specs of the next Xbox 'Project Scarlett,' 'Anaconda', and 'Lockhart' (WindowsCentral.com )
Little Chicken
Member
Can't say anything bad about those specs.
Waiting for the eventual fanboy meltdowns for further reading.
Waiting for the eventual fanboy meltdowns for further reading.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Having to split RAM budgets for your game design is a bigger issue that graphical tweaks based on GPU grunt.
RAM can impact game design when you have a target in mind for your vision of the game.
MadYarpen
Member
If I would have to guess, I'd say with a slower GPU you can downscale the graphics.
But maybe with limited RAM (or CPU) some core game mechanics / systems could be more at risk? Which would mean the game has to be different, not graphics only. That;s under the assumption GPU does not do much more than graphics of course.
44alltheway
Member
Are devs complaining tho? Which dev is complaining about it when it hasn't been officially announced?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
And we are back and square one. If you want receipts on that (which Schreier and others posted about), then ask for them on these (Jez posted) specs as well.
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TLZ
Banned
Poster quoted here says 12.8tf. And this is TimDog.Looks like PS5 is closer to 9tf than 11tf lolbased on leak specs
JustP_Gaming
Banned
The triple play between Anaconda, Lockhart, and Xcloud is, in my opinion, a genius-level move. Time will tell.
Slings and Arrows
Banned
I want Microsoft to do well next gen and get back to their best, because when they're the best, they're the best.
Maybe it's just me, but:
Is a strange line. Why would you damage control that TF number when it's already higher than the rumoured Sony specs? Unless it isn't or they're running damage control because Lockhart 4tf is lower than X 6tf (on face value)
Also,
General bespoke, which one is it. Proprietary optimizations. Hmm. "if targets are met" Seems like a weird clause to put in a rumour.
Finally,
Last year I made a thread pondering if the leaked PS5 specs by Cerny, were actually the PS5 specs, or if Sony were leaking Microsoft's own specs back to them and after reading that, it makes me believe it more than ever. If I had to choose between Microsoft and Sony, I would choose Microsoft, but with what happened at the start of this gen with the E3 reveals, i wouldn't be suprised if we saw some major suprises come out of camp Sony. The price drop and the 8GB DDR5 RAM, came out of nowhere, followed by that price.
Shit will be interesting. Ah, I love new console launch cycles
Maybe it's just me, but:
Is a strange line. Why would you damage control that TF number when it's already higher than the rumoured Sony specs? Unless it isn't or they're running damage control because Lockhart 4tf is lower than X 6tf (on face value)
Also,
General bespoke, which one is it. Proprietary optimizations. Hmm. "if targets are met" Seems like a weird clause to put in a rumour.
Finally,
Last year I made a thread pondering if the leaked PS5 specs by Cerny, were actually the PS5 specs, or if Sony were leaking Microsoft's own specs back to them and after reading that, it makes me believe it more than ever. If I had to choose between Microsoft and Sony, I would choose Microsoft, but with what happened at the start of this gen with the E3 reveals, i wouldn't be suprised if we saw some major suprises come out of camp Sony. The price drop and the 8GB DDR5 RAM, came out of nowhere, followed by that price.
Shit will be interesting. Ah, I love new console launch cycles
Romulus
Member
This is going to be great for VR. PSVR devs have been locked down using a jaguar CPU for years, for games heavily reliant on high framerates. Lmao. It'll be like getting new Christmas toys for 4 years in advance for them. Of course regular console games will benefit too, but most of those are 30fps unlike the required 60fps lock for psvr.
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KlickKlack
Banned
a pro tip for your:
search for the 10 last biggest AAA games from 2019 and then look on the "minimum requirements PC specs"
can you see how stupid your post is? ...
Slings and Arrows
Banned
Can any users clarify or estimate the cost saving of putting a brand-new, but less powerful, CPU/GPU/RAM in to a console?
Doesn't the economy of scale make both machines slightly more expensive vs smashing out 1 machine that is all the same?
With this in mind, if we say the Anaconda will be $449, where would that price the Lockhart? $349? If so, what of the X?
So many questions
Doesn't the economy of scale make both machines slightly more expensive vs smashing out 1 machine that is all the same?
With this in mind, if we say the Anaconda will be $449, where would that price the Lockhart? $349? If so, what of the X?
So many questions
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Might want to dial it back on the insults, champ.
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93xfan
Banned
Yeah, this and the cross gen games is really deflating my hype.
prinz_valium
Member
This will never, and has never been true.
Otherwise Ps5 exclusives would look like next gen games while Xbox exclusives and multiplatform game look like last gen games.
That won't happen.
And if that were to be true, every Playstation fan should love it. Because tose would be the only true next gen games.
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
There's a lot of specs going on, you could pencil in the next Xbox as one of the most powerful consoles and its going to be interesting what developers can do with it.
Lockhart is not the enemy.
If the games are playable across Xbox One , Xbox One X & both of the Scarlett consoles why worry about Lockhart holding things back? If anything Lockhart is going to give publishers /devs more of a reason to make games that use the Scarlett features over just making Xbox One games with better resolutions & frame rates.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
Banned
A high end powerhouse and a low end digital only machine is the way to go. I know I will go for the latter, but hardcore gamers will go for the former.
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I have been able to convince myself as to why MS would release the rumored Lockheart, but OMG now we are talking about 1/3 the power of Anaconda? I cannot envision how this won't royally screw over Anaconda purchasers (who are expecting truly ground breaking software). There is no way I can believe those 12TF will be utilized like they would if Anaconda was the only sku.
MS needs to go on record here once and for all. Enough rumors and vague pr dancing with the same rumors resurfacing.
MS needs to go on record here once and for all. Enough rumors and vague pr dancing with the same rumors resurfacing.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Exactly! I hate it.
No idea how MS doesn't understand this.
Welcome to the "We hate Lockhart Console" club.
Hey - that's a low blow. I'm docking you two points.
(I never wanted Lockheart - I just figured I understood MS's rationale for it from a business perspective).
PS - now it actually worries me even though I'm 98% sure it will be PS5 for me. I don't believe for one second that MS won't demand as much parity as possible for 3rd party games.)
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Exactly. This just looks like a replacement for the Xbox One X, targeting 1080p, with the same rough level of power.
People seem to be forgetting that it takes 4x the power to run a game at 4K vs. 1080p.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
This article is crap. It’s just a bunch of rumors without anything hard backing it up.
makaveli60
Member
That's an even bigger problem then. Get rid of those too, we are waiting for nextgen for other reasons than playing Xbox One level games at higher resolutions. I think they just mean cross-gen games that will eventually disappear but Lockhart will be here with us obstructing developers in fully utilizing Anaconda and PS5. If Lockhart is real and as shitty as it is rumored now then I hope MS will cancel it as soon after seeing what PS5 exclusives can do. And before any dense Ms fanboy wants to accuse me of being a Sony fanboy... no, I just want all games (3rd party and MS exclusives as well) to be real nextgen experiences. That's all.
pr0cs
Member
Hope so because I just can't see any logic in having two machines with such a disparity in power capability.
If Lockhart is true I'm hoping the x gets obsoleted and takes its place.
To be honest though I don't really see a ton of value in that either unless its price is REALLY attractive
Barakov
Gold Member
Yeah, it's just half-assed conjecture. The next gen thread does it better than they ever could.
skneogaf
Member
reconminicon
Banned
Then the download will take much longer because you are streaming.
ResilientBanana
Member
The people not understanding that game engines are scaleable are going to be spouting uneducated garbage until they come out and blow minds.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Gold Member
That's interesting; 16GB of RAM basically ensures a 256-bit bus, but that's coming down from the X's 384-bit bus. Granted GDDR6 provides greater bandwidth bus assuming they're still going with 14Gbps chips and 2GB all the way (the reveal vid had a mix of 1GB and 2GB chips), without pushing clocks beyond 1GHz (I'm sure they'll run the chips somewhat higher than that tbh), that's 448 GB/s bandwidth, which is...okay. Not great, but okay.
That's why I think they'll probably push with higher Gbps (probably 16Gbps) and clocked (likely 1.25GHz max) chips, which should increase the bandwidth to 648 GB/s on a 256-bit bus. Bandwidth isn't the only thing that matters tbh, but it will be a big factor for these systems.
People REALLY don't seem to be understanding the importance of this. These systems are pushing GPGPU, General Purpose Graphics Processing Unit architectures. That means things other than just graphics.
A Lockhart with a heavily reduced GPU will hold back Scarlet/Anaconda in terms of non-graphical features and systems for next-gen games, UNLESS it's orientated solely for streaming (which it seems like it's packing enough hardware to be more than that).
That's why I think they'll probably push with higher Gbps (probably 16Gbps) and clocked (likely 1.25GHz max) chips, which should increase the bandwidth to 648 GB/s on a 256-bit bus. Bandwidth isn't the only thing that matters tbh, but it will be a big factor for these systems.
People REALLY don't seem to be understanding the importance of this. These systems are pushing GPGPU, General Purpose Graphics Processing Unit architectures. That means things other than just graphics.
A Lockhart with a heavily reduced GPU will hold back Scarlet/Anaconda in terms of non-graphical features and systems for next-gen games, UNLESS it's orientated solely for streaming (which it seems like it's packing enough hardware to be more than that).
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jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Sure, but it can even do that in the background, after I put the console in sleep mode.
I have 300Mb internet, even if I were streaming in 4K there should be more than enough left over bandwidth to install game assets in the background while I'm playing. If that means that the download will take 20 minutes longer, or even several hours longer, I say it doesn't really matter as long as the streaming delivery is "good enough". That scenario is infinitely more preferable to me than what I experienced with Days Gone which took nearly 2 hours to install and update before I was able to play the game - if I could have been streaming the game while I was waiting, even if it meant the wait was longer, I would have been happy. If I wasn't happy with the streaming compromise (ie I wanted to have the full game installed and don't want to stream it) I'm sure I could just... not play it until it's done downloading/installing.
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I think most of us understand that perfectly well. But people buying a 12 TF LAUNCH system have expectations of games designed to push 12 TF. If MS insists on feature parity between 4TF and 12TF (seems rather likely), do you really believe they can just turn down graphical settings and never have to make compromises to ensure parity? I have a lot of trouble believing that, and now see Anaconda as really nothing more than Pro or X. Simply capable of better resolution of games designed for base models.
MS really needs to put these rumors to bed. If they want to hide specs fine. But tell us - no dancing - will there be two sku's as rumored?
XcloudTimdog
Banned
Just so you know jez not only had superb sources, but i know of like 3 other sources that all believe this. Tom Warren is one, the others well lets just say they are even better than Tom. So yeah I think i stayed strong and never waiver on most powerful console next gen. Xbox
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
Since, when was TF an absolute GPU power scale ? 4 TF of Navi is better than 6 TF of Xbox One X. Nothing is being hold back.
TFs would matter if your comparing like for like, same architectures, RDNA2 to RDNA2, then TFs would be a strong indicator, though Ray tracing implementation differences could play a bit if that role too, in addition
Glad someone else saw it.
Even if they get rid of Xbox One S & Xbox One X you still have low end PCs. MS has no reason to jump out the window & try making games that can only run on a 12TF console that may or may not sale enough to recoup from the work it would take to make a game that only play on that console.
ResilientBanana
Member
I do believe that to be the case. GPU TFLOPS have more to do with processing graphics than much else. The CPUs have more than enough power to provide the innovations in gameplay that people are looking for such as smarter AI, physics, Quantity of AI on screen at once, high poly meshes, so on and so forth.
Also consider that Xbox One X titles had 4k asset downloads that improved the look of the games at 4K.
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it_wasn't_me
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Yeah, more is good, but, slideshow from E3 this year suggests amount of RAM from 14-18
quickwhips
Member
Are you saying xbox is going to be the most powerful console?
Very good point, matters probably more to Sony with console exclusives with what little difference it would make not having a "1080p" model and pc specs to cover
