There is nobody in this thread pushing the narrative that 'MS and gamepass is going to save gaming'.
"I would never had proposed making pentiment without Gamepass" is pretty much a direct quote from Josh Sawyer.
The part in quotes is real.
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In an industry plagued by stagnation and monotony, "I never would have proposed making Pentiment without Game Pass" - Josh Sawyer
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There is nobody in this thread pushing the narrative that 'MS and gamepass is going to save gaming'.
"I would never had proposed making pentiment without Gamepass" is pretty much a direct quote from Josh Sawyer.
The part in quotes is real.
gothmog
Gold Member
"In an industry plagued by stagnation and monotony" is fucking click bait when the discussion really was not really about the industry. He spoke mostly about his personal journey to get the game made and how Xbox/GamePass allowed him to have the opportunity. Most of that centered around how it would have been absurd to ask for 10 or more top developers to work on a passion project, especially at Obsidian when they were basically circling the drain financially for a while. Xbox not only saved the company, but also supported him on his project. It also seemed like they had some prototypes to show Xbox leadership so it was not just a project proposal as much as a proof of concept they wanted greenlit. I know I have personally gotten more successful responses to risky proposals by showing a good prototype so that really hit home for me.
These kind of success stories can be told without wrapping it in bullshit.
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And he told the success story without wrapping it in any bullshit. Which is what the meat of the thread is about. 99.9% of the conversation in this thread has been centered around his claim that he wouldn't have made the pitch for the game if not for GP.
The bit about 'stagnation and monotony' is an unfortunate addition to the OP, but it hasn't meaningfully steered the conversation here. Nobody in the thread itself is pushing the 'GP is saving gaming' narrative you spoke about.
Stop using that headline as a crutch. This thread is overrun with warring and very little of that has to do with headline editorializing.
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Kokoloko85
Member
I know, I was agreeing lol
Kokoloko85
Member
And?
Still a bunch of talking sims with bad combat and crappy voice acting at best.
Wait 30 seconds and get a lifeless NPC conversation and some glitchy bugs….
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Chukhopops
Member
Nobody aside from you is calling RPGs « talking sims ». If you prefer linear, simple stories that’s your prerogative.
Sawyer just prefers different types of storytelling so he focuses on those, end of story.
Kokoloko85
Member
And Only retards calls games like GOWR and Uncharted walking sims.
lol its not sawyers games are deep stories, they are pretty simple too. But they are talking sims, with bad combat, end of story.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Again, only you are calling GOW, Uncharted etc walking sims.
They might have walking sections, new one seems to have garnered quiet a reputation. It's not a walking sim, that's why it feels out of place.
Chukhopops
Member
Simple games like Alpha Protocol, New Vegas or Pillars of Eternity 2… I think that says more about you than about those games.
Luckily there are games like Uncharted made for your type of audience.
Punished Miku
Gold Member
After playing a decent chunk of Pentiment yesterday, the biggest misconception in this thread is that he's saying the game is niche just because it's a visual novel / adventure game. That's really just a small part of why it's niche. It's also incredibly niche due to the setting, the dialogue, the subject matter. It's almost more of a historical / educational game than anything else. You have to want to know about detailed aspects of European history, Christianity. It's like taking a Western Civ college class but as a video game.
Drizzlehell
Banned
I can say the same thing about PS Plus and EA Play.
It's less about GP being great but more about subscription models becoming modern-day bargain bins where you pick up cheap games that you wouldn't even look at if they didn't cost close to nothing, and hope that it'll be something fun to kill a couple of afternoons with.
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SirTerry-T
Member
Yep, I must say. .and I don't mean this in an elitist or "game snob" way but it's really nice to see the industry bringing out games such as Pentiment that has some real meat on its bones as far as story telling is concerned, of course the style of game Pentiment is lends itself to that sort of narrative.
Be nice to get some more of these point and click/VN style games from the big players in gaming. They make for a nice "wind down" game after pumping hours into the latest AAAA blockbuster.
Kokoloko85
Member
No I think you guys just act like there story is deep when its not. There nothing special, unless your just that simple…
Kokoloko85
Member
Uh, I think you should look at all the comments on here or online calling them walking sims by xbox/pc fans.
I dont think they are walking sims btw, just the jealous retards call it that to downplay a great game
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vaibhavpisal
Member
Not deep but flexible.
When you see ending of such a game, you realise the amount of influence you had on the game world and story.
Not doing any favours to your point.
Maybe just ignore them instead of doing same thing ?
Kokoloko85
Member
Flexible yeah. Good, not so sure about that. Id say something like Bioshock has a better story or Spec Ops. Or
I dunno, doesnt bother me. It sure pisses them off though which is fun. And TBH, they are talking sims with mostly awful combat, Im not really making anything up
vaibhavpisal
Member
This is flowchart for one of the side quests in Fallout New Vegas. Main quest I don't think will even be possible to represent like this without oversimplification.
You wanna call it simple talking simulator, sure go ahead. No one will believe you though.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Hipster levels of cringe.
Throw that dude a AAA budget and he'd creampie his knickers.
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remember_spinal
Banned
Why do you think he wants to make another fallout? Easy to say you love making these smaller games when thats the budget you have
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Oh wow, another Fallout. So original and totally not monotony there, Sawyer!
Kokoloko85
Member
This is flowchart for one of the side quests in Fallout New Vegas. Main quest I don't think will even be possible to represent like this without oversimplification.
You wanna call it simple talking simulator, sure go ahead. No one will believe you though.
Again, I said the story is simple altogether, nothing ground breaking.
My point is, its still talking sim with bad combat. If that offends anyone thats there own personal view, I like RPGs. But it is, what it is
Roberts
Member
I'm playing the game right now and one thing becomes clear as I get further into the story: This might not be an expensive game per se, but it is clearly not a cheap indie that some really enthusiastic developers can make just like that. The levels of detail and characterisation is insanely deep. A game like this needs enormous amount of research and knowledge. It doesn't need a lot of people to make it, but they have to be fucking exceptional at what they do. So, in a way it is a bit risky project.
You can call Josh Sawyer what you want, but he is pretty much the a top3 writer in games right now based on this game. So, in my book he can say whatever the fuck he wants.
You can call Josh Sawyer what you want, but he is pretty much the a top3 writer in games right now based on this game. So, in my book he can say whatever the fuck he wants.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
It could be a part of a deal or something "we let you make your renaissance game but after that you work on a project we determine"
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Are cringey elitist comments apart of that deal?
Punished Miku
Gold Member
Im in the later parts of the game. One theme hiding in plain site underneath all the major plot points is that the distribution method that we communicate shapes our communication. Whether its books that have to be laboriously handpainted by master artists and protected for a privileged few, printed books that are more accessible to all classes, or even letters that can travel by courier during times of peace for more immediate correspondence. Gamepass and subscriptions are a new distribution method for games, and like every other form of art and communication that method of distribution influences the communication itself greatly.
God bless you.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
God bless you.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
He's had that kind of history going by his twitter feed lol, that's just who he is I guess.
Gojiira
Banned
Deracine by From software, as previous poster pointed out Dreams/ Little Big Planet by Media Molecule, The Puppeteer by Japan Studio, Medieval etc etc.
This narrative that without Game Pass there would be nothing like Pentiment is absolute horse shit, if anything the stagnation in gaming is from the over abundance of indie titles not the lack of them, and bigger studios most definitely do occasionally produce smaller experimental games.
