Dr. Kitty Muffins
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It was over the moment Phil decided he didn't want to keep games exclusive to the Series X and wanted everything on PC. The Xbox should never have been looked at as only a Game Pass box.
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If you actually care about Xbox you need to be hammering them hard right now
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JonnyMP3
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I doubt there will be a remaster of any PS4 game being as they're completely backwards compatible with the PS5. The only thing Sony said they need to do is check that the PS5's speed doesn't break the game engine.
Walter Matthau
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supernova8
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It was pretty clear once they started going balls-deep on the whole 'limiting games to a specific console is so anti-consumer' bollocks.
Phil doesn't believe that. Nobody at Xbox believes that. Most likely someone higher up at Microsoft told them to stop fucking around with hardware that doesn't make much money and get the needle into people's arms with Gamepass. The reason I say that is because all the big honchos at Xbox (except Sarah Bond) have a solid gaming background and they probably want to show off the power of Xbox as much as we all want them to. I get the feeling something is going on above Phil Spencer's pay grade.
Phil doesn't believe that. Nobody at Xbox believes that. Most likely someone higher up at Microsoft told them to stop fucking around with hardware that doesn't make much money and get the needle into people's arms with Gamepass. The reason I say that is because all the big honchos at Xbox (except Sarah Bond) have a solid gaming background and they probably want to show off the power of Xbox as much as we all want them to. I get the feeling something is going on above Phil Spencer's pay grade.
Humdinger
Member
I don't blame you. It must be tough to be an Xbox fan sometimes. I know you're an Xbox loyalist -- you "bleed green," as you say. So I'm surprised to see you shifting. But yet, not that surprised, either.
From my perspective, this sort of thing has been going on since about 2011, nearly a decade. At the very least, it's been going on since 2015, five years. I'm talking about problems with first-party content. BC and GP have been nice value-added propositions, but their problems with first-party have gone back a long time.
You have a lot of patience and brand-loyalty, to have stuck with them this long.
I was a big Xbox fan during the original Xbox days, then the first half of the 360 era. I lost faith in them about 2011 or 2012, when their focus shifted to Kinect and they de-prioritized "normal" first-party games. They haven't regained their position since then, although they keep talking about it. "Wait till next E3."
Maybe the situation will look different in a few years. We'll see.
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Imagine being this much of a cuck
soulbait
Member
Meh, even though I am an Xbox gamer first, I really don't have an emotional attachment where I feel the need to "hammer" them about my unhappiness. I vote with my wallet: if a company makes a product I want, I buy it; if not, then I do not buy it.
Now, if I bought a product and it that product broke or did not deliver on what I bought the product for, of course I would attempt to get a refund or replacement. But to feel like I have to hammer a company because they are making decisions that I do not agree with, I do not get. What do I gain from it? There are other gaming options out there, so if I was so concerned with Microsoft's direction (I'm not yet) then I would just by a PS5 sooner than planned.
Corporate allegiances are empty and one-sided. The corporations just follow where the money is.
Now, if I bought a product and it that product broke or did not deliver on what I bought the product for, of course I would attempt to get a refund or replacement. But to feel like I have to hammer a company because they are making decisions that I do not agree with, I do not get. What do I gain from it? There are other gaming options out there, so if I was so concerned with Microsoft's direction (I'm not yet) then I would just by a PS5 sooner than planned.
Corporate allegiances are empty and one-sided. The corporations just follow where the money is.
RGB'D
Member
Really? Or maybe the reason the demo was in rough shape was COVID related. I don’t understand how we are assuming business as usual in the middle of a pandemic. Halo Infinite is merely the tip of the iceberg of COVID delays. This is going to affect every developer, every console and every gamer. It’s just that we weren’t going to start seeing these delays until now. We really need to remind ourselves that this is a unique time we are in. Also watch with Sony.... Spider-Man Miles May ship on time because of the foundation that they had already created with Spider-Man (and the reason that the PS5 footage looked nearly identical to the PS4 assets]. After that, there will be a huge lag in games.
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
the 1st game could be beaten in 16hrs, if you think this asset reuse of a game will be 15hr you are fucking nuts.
its going to be 1 act in length padded with hours of swing after the drone, clear the gang and all the other filler stuff that was in the 1st game.
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
Imagine being this much of a prick.
What exactly do you want? It's got games coming out when it releases, or are you that fucking stupid?
JonnyMP3
Member
Nah. Next step is a #REACTION YouTube video!
soulbait
Member
Which is really why i getting a Xbox SX first and then a PS5. With the Xbox, all of my current games will still play, with several getting enhancements to take advantage of the new hardware. Then in a year or so, once Sony gets the ball rolling with some games, I will get a PS5. Bonus: any games that did come out for PS5 that I wanted to try will more than likely cost less by time I get it.
I could pass on the XSX at launch, but I am also a gadget guy, and I love new gadgets. Also, I will then move my One X downstairs and have two places to play Xbox games in 4k. Works for me.
Papacheeks
Banned
Smoke6
Member
Sorry but this is just unacceptable when there are consoles you prolly already own that will play those same games!
It doesn’t make sense from a consumers point of view to buy this new machine with nothing but BC that separates it from the pack!
Consumer: hey what does the new Xbox have and what’s different from the one I have now?
Gamestop clerk: ot has backwards compatibility from all past Xbox consoles and they have Halo coming one day but not right now.
consumer: so for $499 I can play the exact same shit I have on my console right now just better resolution and shit I wouldn’t even notice?
gamestop: well...yes! But MS said they’ll have the games coming soon thst will be worth the purchase if you buy it now and you get GAMEPASS!!!!
I don’t even wanna finish the scenario as I almost threw up in my mouth!
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Yeah, people underestimate how much of a fuck-up the PC-FX really was. At the same time, NEC had the foresight to not release it outside of Japan, the damage done to them there was already more than enough to alert them foreign launches weren't worth it. I wish the handful of good games on the platform got ported to Saturn & PS1 though (actually I think some did like Dragon Knight 4, but it got censored on those platforms).
I still think some of the SEGA comparisons are valid though; right now MS's messaging is reminding me of some of the Saturn's in the West leading up to its launch, and in reality, SEGA of America's mixed messaging for next-gen surrounding 32X and Saturn (because they genuinely did try pushing the 32X as a next-gen option on the lower end of the scale aimed at those on a budget...eerily similar to what MS is pitching Series S as today). Similarly, Saturn having a somewhat bad visual outing with rushed, buggy ports of Virtua Fighter and Daytona USA, and MS almost risking the same thing if they had launched Halo Infinite this November. They may've avoided that parallel, but they still had a somewhat lukewarm reception to their next-gen system's visual prowess with that HI demo, similar to the lukewarm perception Saturn had with those early VF and Daytona ports getting compared against Ridge Racer and Tekken (and Battle Arena Toshinden) on PS1.
Ironically their launches are still similar too because both Saturn did and Series X will have at least a couple of solid sleeper hit exclusives at launch. Saturn had Panzer Dragoon and Clockwork Knight, Series X will have Scorn and The Medium (yes I know The Medium is coming to PS5 in the near future but still). And I'd even say currently, the relative level of interest for Series X (and S) heading into next gen compared to PS5 (among gamers at large, not simply just Xbox hardcore/core fans) is similar to the Saturn's level of interest in the West leading up to its launch in comparison to the PS1. I think there's too many parallels here to just "leave SEGA out of it", and I say this as a massive fan of their hardware designs and a lot of their games from MegaDrive and onward, especially some of their arcade hits (SEGA was such a powerhouse in arcades during the '90s, I miss that kind of gaming culture and what it helped facilitate).
And I also say all of this being a fan of Xbox (not exclusively; I'm a PlayStation and Nintendo fan, too. I like all systems, except maybe super-odd bombs like the Tandy or Philips CD-i...although Burn:Cycle looks neat
) fan. But yeah, there parallels are there between Series X/Series S and Saturn/32X IMHO. There are obvious differences and MS has the resources to significantly leverage a much better pipeline today than SEGA had or could leverage in the mid-1990s', but there's still enough similar to make the comparisons valid.
Smoke6
Member
Man if they couldn’t get halo right, nor show any games playing on the new system or even showed off what these “enhancements” would look like outside of Minecraft, I’d wait til they showed shit closer to launch!Which is really why i getting a Xbox SX first and then a PS5. With the Xbox, all of my current games will still play, with several getting enhancements to take advantage of the new hardware. Then in a year or so, once Sony gets the ball rolling with some games, I will get a PS5. Bonus: any games that did come out for PS5 that I wanted to try will more than likely cost less by time I get it.
I could pass on the XSX at launch, but I am also a gadget guy, and I love new gadgets. Also, I will then move my One X downstairs and have two places to play Xbox games in 4k. Works for me.
It’s your money do what you want, it’s just naive to shell out and support a company that’s negligent of their brand like they are now!
Shit well be hearing about mid gen refreshes by time MS get their shit together
Amiga
Member
Sony have been better because they have the toughest crowed that is quick to call them out. most of the PlayStation base are loyal to gaming not a company. we praise good policy because we want it to continue, we call out bad things because we want them to stop(look at how TLOU2 got roasted). the 360 captured a large part of that market because it was rightfully better in it's 1st few years.
Xbox fans over the years have been extra aggressive in defending their brand and that led to the degradation of their platform.
as customers it's your right to complain. it doesn't hurt and a lot of times it's beneficial to all parties.
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
No Halo (the most important game of xbox gamers lives) tomorrow is what they're saying, now it's SONY's time and delaying Halo Infinite will impact the course of NEXT GENERATION.
Papacheeks
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If you do only the story. There's a lot of extra missions some of them very long like the tombstone one. And tons of random stuff that happens. You act like you never played it and are using some website as your barometer to shit on a game thats not even out.
To ignore list you go.
JonnyMP3
Member
I'm sad you didn't mention the Panasonic 3DOYeah, people underestimate how much of a fuck-up the PC-FX really was. At the same time, NEC had the foresight to not release it outside of Japan, the damage done to them there was already more than enough to alert them foreign launches weren't worth it. I wish the handful of good games on the platform got ported to Saturn & PS1 though (actually I think some did like Dragon Knight 4, but it got censored on those platforms).
I still think some of the SEGA comparisons are valid though; right now MS's messaging is reminding me of some of the Saturn's in the West leading up to its launch, and in reality, SEGA of America's mixed messaging for next-gen surrounding 32X and Saturn (because they genuinely did try pushing the 32X as a next-gen option on the lower end of the scale aimed at those on a budget...eerily similar to what MS is pitching Series S as today). Similarly, Saturn having a somewhat bad visual outing with rushed, buggy ports of Virtua Fighter and Daytona USA, and MS almost risking the same thing if they had launched Halo Infinite this November. They may've avoided that parallel, but they still had a somewhat lukewarm reception to their next-gen system's visual prowess with that HI demo, similar to the lukewarm perception Saturn had with those early VF and Daytona ports getting compared against Ridge Racer and Tekken (and Battle Arena Toshinden) on PS1.
Ironically their launches are still similar too because both Saturn did and Series X will have at least a couple of solid sleeper hit exclusives at launch. Saturn had Panzer Dragoon and Clockwork Knight, Series X will have Scorn and The Medium (yes I know The Medium is coming to PS5 in the near future but still). And I'd even say currently, the relative level of interest for Series X (and S) heading into next gen compared to PS5 (among gamers at large, not simply just Xbox hardcore/core fans) is similar to the Saturn's level of interest in the West leading up to its launch in comparison to the PS1. I think there's too many parallels here to just "leave SEGA out of it", and I say this as a massive fan of their hardware designs and a lot of their games from MegaDrive and onward, especially some of their arcade hits (SEGA was such a powerhouse in arcades during the '90s, I miss that kind of gaming culture and what it helped facilitate).
And I also say all of this being a fan of Xbox (not exclusively; I'm a PlayStation and Nintendo fan, too. I like all systems, except maybe super-odd bombs like the Tandy or Philips CD-i...although Burn:Cycle looks neat
VincentMatts
Member
Hammering them for what? delaying a game that needed it?
Did you complain when the last of us 2 got delayed? Or cyberpunk?
Ah its true, were talking about MS. My bad, i forgot.
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Papacheeks
Banned
Where did Last of us 2 or Cyberpunk have a subpar showing with tons of controversy on how it looked after 5 years of development?
digoutyoursoul
Member
People have spoken out , I have many times over the years, even spent around three years giving feedback in the Preview Program regarding UI/Features/Store.
I can’t be bothered anymore , it’s not worth it, tired of the shame tactics from others in particular with jibes like “Sony fan” or “Fake fans” crap like that from the usual shame tactic routines you see everywhere else.
They know what they are doing being like that too , it’s pathetic. Life is too short for their petty/disingenuous shite.
I can’t be bothered anymore , it’s not worth it, tired of the shame tactics from others in particular with jibes like “Sony fan” or “Fake fans” crap like that from the usual shame tactic routines you see everywhere else.
They know what they are doing being like that too , it’s pathetic. Life is too short for their petty/disingenuous shite.
Lmfao. It has a bunch of cross-gen games. To say "backwards compatibility" is a selling point is a reason NOT to buy XSX.
"I'm gonna spend $500 to play old games!"
How dumb is this?
StormCell
Member
Warning: This is coming from someone who has only owned a 360.
Wasn't MS spending a whole lot more money on OG Xbox and 360 than they are now? From my perspective, they look like they want to offer the best place to play games as opposed to the place with the best games you'll only find here.
I maybe totally wrong, but the guys leading Xbox today seem to have a vision of this open, non-exclusive library of games that you can play anywhere, but why would you want to play anywhere else when their platform offers the best hardware and the best interface for playing? It's like they don't want to pay for exclusivity, and maybe they think even better games can be made for Xbox if they can sell across all the platforms--basically, the cost to make AAA games is becoming a crippling factor in game development.
I know it sucks from a fan's perspective, but they're inching closer to getting me to buy Xbox again. I would do it if we had great baseball and football games again. I would do it if we had great wrestling games again. The industry is just too blah for me lately. I'm the guy who will buy an Xbox not for Gears, if you know what I mean, brother.
Wasn't MS spending a whole lot more money on OG Xbox and 360 than they are now? From my perspective, they look like they want to offer the best place to play games as opposed to the place with the best games you'll only find here.
I maybe totally wrong, but the guys leading Xbox today seem to have a vision of this open, non-exclusive library of games that you can play anywhere, but why would you want to play anywhere else when their platform offers the best hardware and the best interface for playing? It's like they don't want to pay for exclusivity, and maybe they think even better games can be made for Xbox if they can sell across all the platforms--basically, the cost to make AAA games is becoming a crippling factor in game development.
I know it sucks from a fan's perspective, but they're inching closer to getting me to buy Xbox again. I would do it if we had great baseball and football games again. I would do it if we had great wrestling games again. The industry is just too blah for me lately. I'm the guy who will buy an Xbox not for Gears, if you know what I mean, brother.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Some of you are so dramatic. If you don't like the product, don't buy it. Most people don't buy in the first year anyways.
Halo Infinite will eventually come out.. and the console will be the same as it would have been if you bought it day one.
They bet on having a game with a massive SP campaign at launch, which actually would have been a bit out of the ordinary for a console. Too many eggs in one basket? Probably, but them's the breaks. What do you want shitty QTE-fests pulled out of their ass or something?
Halo Infinite will eventually come out.. and the console will be the same as it would have been if you bought it day one.
They bet on having a game with a massive SP campaign at launch, which actually would have been a bit out of the ordinary for a console. Too many eggs in one basket? Probably, but them's the breaks. What do you want shitty QTE-fests pulled out of their ass or something?
Plague Doctor
Member
Facts.
Vawn
Banned
I hope people understand now that this bias against Xbox that certain people claim didn't happen over night.
There was a time where Xbox 360 was my console of choice. I was into Xbox more than PlayStation for several years during the early 360 years.
They earned that. They just had better (at the time) exclusive games, a better OS, better price, etc.
But as soon as Sony started really hitting it with the better PS3 first-party games, MS's own output completely dried up. There were fewer and fewer reasons to play my Xbox and Sony only increased their quality.
I still bought an Xbox One at launch because of those early 360 years. I knew the games had to come eventually. They just didn't. And MS didn't seem to care.
There's no blind loyalty like I would have for my local sports team. I'm genuinely a much bigger PlayStation and Nintendo fan because they produce. Xbox has been letting me down for a decade straight.
I definitely do not get the appeal of Phil Spencer. He misleads people at best and flat out lies at worst.
Xbox needs to EARN their old fans back.
A lot of us are like
DynamiteCop!
(Just not so dramatic). We are ex-Xbox fans. We just had our final straw long before now.
There was a time where Xbox 360 was my console of choice. I was into Xbox more than PlayStation for several years during the early 360 years.
They earned that. They just had better (at the time) exclusive games, a better OS, better price, etc.
But as soon as Sony started really hitting it with the better PS3 first-party games, MS's own output completely dried up. There were fewer and fewer reasons to play my Xbox and Sony only increased their quality.
I still bought an Xbox One at launch because of those early 360 years. I knew the games had to come eventually. They just didn't. And MS didn't seem to care.
There's no blind loyalty like I would have for my local sports team. I'm genuinely a much bigger PlayStation and Nintendo fan because they produce. Xbox has been letting me down for a decade straight.
I definitely do not get the appeal of Phil Spencer. He misleads people at best and flat out lies at worst.
Xbox needs to EARN their old fans back.
A lot of us are like
DynamiteCop!
(Just not so dramatic). We are ex-Xbox fans. We just had our final straw long before now.
Hezekiah
Banned
There is something absurd about spending a lot of money on new hardware, purely to play old games.
Microsoft has latched onto the backwards compatibility train because they know what they're bringing in the present isnt good enough. And some gamers have accepted and actually use it as a checkbox for buying a new console.
They claim to not believe in generations because for large parts of the past 7 years they have massively under-delivered.
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MiguelItUp
Member
This vibes with me hardcore. I've never really been a fanboy of, well, anything. But I've definitely favored consoles more than others depending on the generation. I LOVED the 360, and while I enjoyed the PS3 exclusives, the OS was just awful compared to the 360's IMO. But that radically changed overtime. Especially since I felt PS4's is better than XB1's.Xbox needs to EARN their old fans back.
A lot of us are like
Because I loved the 360 so much, I practically got a XB1 at launch. I owned it for a year or so and ended up selling it because it just sat there. As an observer in the rest of XB1's lifeline it just really felt like Microsoft lost their touch in more ways that one. I'm really unsure who is to blame for that, but something needs to be done.
Honestly I just feel bad for hardcore Xbox fans because I feel like they've been getting dicked around.
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
Moving on..
RGB'D
Member
I hope people understand now that this bias against Xbox that certain people claim didn't happen over night.
There was a time where Xbox 360 was my console of choice. I was into Xbox more than PlayStation for several years during the early 360 years.
They earned that. They just had better (at the time) exclusive games, a better OS, better price, etc.
But as soon as Sony started really hitting it with the better PS3 first-party games, MS's own output completely dried up. There were fewer and fewer reasons to play my Xbox and Sony only increased their quality.
I still bought an Xbox One at launch because of those early 360 years. I knew the games had to come eventually. They just didn't. And MS didn't seem to care.
There's no blind loyalty like I would have for my local sports team. I'm genuinely a much bigger PlayStation and Nintendo fan because they produce. Xbox has been letting me down for a decade straight.
I definitely do not get the appeal of Phil Spencer. He misleads people at best and flat out lies at worst.
Xbox needs to EARN their old fans back.
A lot of us are like
PC Game Pass alone has bought me back into the system. I even bought a X because of the cross-play compatibility. Just this morning I fired up Ori on my Xbox One X after exclusively playing on my PC and picked up right where I had left of. It was amazing to move to a console from a PC and have everything just work. This infrastructure for next generation is going to be unparalleled for a PC gamer. I'm willing to give every company a pass during COVID and am happy for where we are going. I truly feel like with XCloud and Gamepass, I am in with microsoft for this coming generation. I'll still get a PS5 someday but, by the time enough games are only on PS5, i might be able to score a mid cycle upgrade. I think games are going to be few and far between for the next couple years.
That being said, their plan with Gamepass and PC integration has me likely buying a Series X at or near launch depending on Ampere costs.
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
ultrazilla
Member
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Gold Member
I'm sad you didn't mention the Panasonic 3DO
I definitely didn't forget about it! 3DO's an odd one because once they did the (massive) price cut they started selling pretty decently, especially in Japan IIRC. Nothing that threatened Saturn or PS1, but I guess well enough. Plus for a 3D system in 1993 it was pretty well-designed and did see the industry shifting towards 3D (although the way it actually did 3D was more like Saturn i.e distorted quadratic sprites. FWIW PS1 didn't feature Z-buffering which is also kinda critical for "true" 3D so I guess the N64 was the first "true" 3D system that gen in regards to something more analogous with the type of 3D pipeline that's become industry standard).
And also fwiw 3DO had some solid games; D, Hell: Cyberpunk Adventure (frickin' Dennis Hopper, the GOAT! xD), Gex, Warhammer, Need for Speed, Road Rash...I think if EA were as big in 1993 as they are today but had the game philosophy of early EA (when they actually released creative games), they could've made the 3DO work long-term. They'd of been more willing to eat costs on the unit for starters and maybe provide a means for other manufacturers to be financially reimbursted for producing their own 3DOs.
JonnyMP3
Member
The controller was weird though from my fading memory... It had like upturned prongs, didn't it?
DaGwaphics
Member
Perfect gif.
@joe_zazen is brutal there, I don't think the GP games are that limited LOL, completely read over that before.
GHG
Member
Me and you both.
I once got told my gamerscore was too low so therefore my feedback isn't valid
I don't think you even realise who it is you are replying to...
Arkam
Member
I rarely agree with the OP.... but I am there with them on this one. IDK how MS bungled this so hard. I mean unless they have some hidden ace up their sleeve.... they have no tentpole games. No Halo, No Forza, No Fable, No Rare game coming ar/near launch... soonest a year later. WTF!?! It looks like MS is giving the lead to Sony this gen due to this. That kinda mistake should not be overlooked. I hope MS Corp understands the gravity of this fumble and adjustments are made.
Calverz
Member
This could be the biggest troll post iv seen in a long time? Id maybe agree with you if u werent such a huge sony fanboy.
laughable
digoutyoursoul
Member
Me and you both.
I once got told my gamerscore was too low so therefore my feedback isn't valid
I don't think you even realise who it is you are replying to...
Gamerscore too low? What the.....lol
Here’s an example from personal experience:
Me & Few others: Hey team, there isn’t much of a selection of gamer pics at the moment, particularly compared to 360. How about a few more , or if possible custom gamerpics.
Responses: We don’t need this , no one needs this, meh who cares, stop complaining, it’s not important at all.
Around six to eight months later custom gamer pics are implemented. Some of the same people:
“YES !! Love it! Great job team, very cool, awesome”
I mean, I could understand in a way if the feedback had been aggressively put across but...yeah you know what I mean.
Texas Pride
Banned
As long as people settle instead of demanding better the problem will persist with the Xbox brand. The opinions are mixed on this but there's a lot of people content to settle on mediocrity.
DynamiteCop!
Banned
This could be the biggest troll post iv seen in a long time? Id maybe agree with you if u werent such a huge sony fanboy.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
Criticising Microsoft’s failings means you’re a Sony fanboy. No criticism allowed. That’s why I’m scared of MS and 12tflops so dumps on them
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