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If DECK is successful, Steam console will follow.

Gamer79

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I wouldn't touch steam hardware with a 10ft pole. They never support their products. Deja Vue with a valve Steam Machine.
 

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If steam deck is successful, we are bound to see a new type steam console class of hardware.

The idea behind the deck is to get other hardware manufacturers to make the deck once the software platform is established. And if valve can get the software/hardware working we will see a console in the same vein within a year or two.

This will make the entry level pc-console much much more accessible, cheaper to the big masses.

Just think when you can buy a steam deck, steam console from cheap brands like asus, lg, msi, lenovo, tcl,

Its going to be the new gaming standard like dvd.
I swear I heard this before...

 
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Del_X

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The Series X/S is kind of the right approach that Steam was sort of trying to get at. Different SKUs with different target specs/profiles - incentivize developers to build to those specs. Also would have helped is Valve kept making their own games in sufficient quantities.
 
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I'm comparing it to what a $399 Digital PS5 has to offer which is the same price as the lowest Deck model. Anyway, let's wait and see.
Closed walled garden. But you seem like the kind of person who never played on an open system before. So obviously you have no idea why the difference is there. PS5 is priced assuming you will only pay Sony money to run games. Deck is open so you could not be relied on to ever buy a single Steam game for it. Consoles are basically given away.
 
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.. this is the "steam console". You can dock the steam deck.

The dedicated non-portable is known as a desktop pc.
 

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The idea behind the deck is to get other hardware manufacturers to make the deck once the software platform is established. And if valve can get the software/hardware working we will see a console in the same vein within a year or two.

This will make the entry level pc-console much much more accessible, cheaper to the big masses.

Just think when you can buy a steam deck, steam console from cheap brands like asus, lg, msi, lenovo, tcl,

Its going to be the new gaming standard like dvd.

3DO did this already.

It failed.
 

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we already had a superior steam console, the PS5 and Series X
 
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Griffon

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Wait OP... doesn't this exist already? Thats called a PC.

Nothing stops you from connecting a PC to your TV and treat it like a console with Steam big picture UI.
 
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ZehDon

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it was half assed.

The deck is the forerunner for an new platform standard.
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This isn't a new "platform standard". It's literally a just Linux PC. Valve will do what it always does: put in zero effort marking their hardware, it will sell great to the hardcore crowd and then it'll disappear, and everyone will lament that Valve let another good product die.

The Steam Deck is just Valve realising Nintendo is making a fucking fortune with exactly minimal effort on ancient hardware. It's laughable what Nintendo has been able to get away with with the Switch. Valve have put in some effort, and their work has yielded a machine that trumps the Switch is every quantifiable manner. Valve have done this because it is in a unique position to leverage the entire PC platform via Steam to produce a handheld with a library that not only includes virtually every PC game ever made, but via emulation, it also includes Nintendo's own titles as well.
 
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it was half assed.

The deck is the forerunner for an new platform standard.

Or... it's just Valve experimenting with different things like they always do.

Some of you guys are weird. You take a real-life thing that exists and declare it as proof of some BS conjecture you just pulled out your ass. I'll never understand this kind of delusional thinking.
 

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The idea is good but the ecosystem is far away from what we have on Playstation and Xbox. Actually, even though Xbox Series is pretty much a PC nowadays, you know that every single game you through at it will run. Not the same can be said about the Steam library...
 
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I think the lot of you are delusional and are not seeing the big picture.

Steam set top box is the future standard of gaming.

I think you are delusional. You can literally play Steam games on your TV, It's called an HDMI cord. Nobody's going to pay for an overpriced gimped non-handheld PC when they can use the one they already have. You can tell by the way Valve tried it and failed miserably. A handheld is a WAY easier pill to swallow than some "set top box". I'm not saying they won't try again someday, I just don't see the point at all.
 
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They would have to take a massive hit on the hardware, and people seem to forget, steam is free. Unlike other services with a yearly fee. That is a lot of revenue missing. I don't think Valve would make another attempt at console. The Deck and increased VR seems more their area of interest.
 
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Isn’t that Steam Machines? They already tried that. I just think they want to carve out a new product category for PC gaming. Portable PC gaming.

It’s different.

Steam machines were made by third parties. The Deck is first party and this hypothetical Steam Engine would be.
 

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I wouldn't touch steam hardware with a 10ft pole. They never support their products. Deja Vue with a valve Steam Machine.

I see this parroted by different users in every Deck thread, and it's just demonstrably false.

Steam Controller is still supported through Steam Input.
Steam Link is still supported and gets regular firmware updates, the last being only a month old.
Valve Index is still supported with regular firmware updates and improvements through SteamVR.
 

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The best thing about this machine will be the reviews:

"I'm quite pleased with my DECK. The size is perfect, neither too small or too big (even thogh I have small hands). The performances are nice even though it could last a bit longer. I can use it everywhere, and my wife loves to play with it too"
 

sunnysideup

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Everything up till now have been preparations and research of the terrain for the future standard of gaming.

Its easy to write it of as failures, but that is not true.

The deck is but the vanguard for the big guns.
 
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BadBurger

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I'll have a prediction once we see how well Valve remains engaged with the Deck after launch and the year that follows. If they keep up with Proton enhancements and game certifications, reliably release Windows drivers, and issue patches at regular intervals then I'll start to believe Valve will be capable of designing a baseline set of hardware they will support (like the Deck) and offer as a stable platform for partners in the wider console space.

And I'll say, Gabe seems more enthusiastic and sure of the Deck and Valve's plans for it than he did either the Steam Link, controller, or 'Boxes - so fingers hopefully crossed.
 

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A Steam console has no sense.

Consoles are mostly about OS, support, libraries, drivers, development tools, not hardware. Valve has almost nothing of this.
Uh...

Hate to be the one to tell you this, but Valve is almost nothing but software and platform tools. They have their own OS, their own libraries and tools, their own entire platform. If anyone in the PC marketspace could build a PC console, it'd be them. And the only reason they won't - and they won't, I want to be clear on this - is because building out the open PC platform is better for their business.

Thus VR, thus the Deck. With the talk of brain interfaces, I'm sure whenever Valve is ready to make their own 'cyberdeck', they will. Making something that's just their own version of something everyone else has access to, with nothing new to make it worthwhile, is something I don't see them doing. Thus, no "Steam Machine V2".
 
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sunnysideup

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There are about 200million console gamers out there. That would be great growth for valve.

There still isn't any good entry into the pc market for a console gamer. Especially htpcs, they barely exist. Laptops are to expensive and run to hot with low performance. Prebuildts are generally overpriced crap. Building your own is to big for a first step.

A steam console that is powerful, affordable and easy to set up would be a great entry point.
 

PhaseJump

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OP is a nonsense generator.

Steam Machines exist. Custom or prebuilt, already standard PC hardware options came to the market with Steam Machines. SteamOS and Proton have been around for years with the software ecosystem. The only new thing the Deck is bringing to the market is an OEM vendor willing to loss-lead on their hardware costs, despite there being other handheld PCs on the market already.
 

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The hardware's name stinks tho
 

JCK75

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Isn’t that Steam Machines? They already tried that. I just think they want to carve out a new product category for PC gaming. Portable PC gaming.
People need to get past this..
Valve tried steam machines, they had to run Linux hoping devs would show support for Linux.... that did not happen thus it was destined to fail
Valve has spent the years since on Proton, making compatibility on Linux for these games about as flawless as it can be without direct developer support...that solves the problem
paving the way for their second attempt to be a success.. Nobody was going to buy a steam machine that only played a fraction of the games library..
but if costs are in line with other consoles(and seeing how AMD has made them an APU for Deck I'd imagine that's going to be the case) AND compatibilty is no longer an issue.. the time is right.
 
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sunnysideup

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People need to get past this..
Valve tried steam machines, they had to run Linux hoping devs would show support for Linux.... that did not happen thus it was destined to fail
Valve has spent the years since on Proton, making compatibility on Linux for these games about as flawless as it can be without direct developer support...that solves the problem
paving the way for their second attempt to be a success.. Nobody was going to buy a steam machine that only played a fraction of the games library..
but if costs are in line with other consoles(and seeing how AMD has made them an APU for Deck I'd imagine that's going to be the case) AND compatibilty is no longer an issue.. the time is right.
Well put.
 

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Deck is already a steam "console" because you can plug into TVs/monitors. If you mean a more powerful table only machine like the steam machines but cheaper, very very unlikely...
 

Ogbert

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No chance.

Valve try and push things forward or fill gaps.

No need for a PC Console. Just buy a PC.
 
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Trip Hawkin's 3DO vision would finally be realized.

TBH I think we're at a point technology-wise where that idea COULD become a reality, as these consoles are pretty much capable of photorealism and it's actually game budget & time that dictate how good visuals can get now, not so much the technology (specifically with Microsoft & Sony's systems).

Of course the big issue with 3DO was, since the manufacturers made no money on software, they had to do it through hardware, and it made the system prohibitively expensive no matter which one you picked. Valve kind of ran into a similar problem with Steam Machines years back; they simply can't repeat that mistake again. So, there has to be some incentive for manufacturers of such a system to keep prices around console-level and not skimp out on specs.

I guess this would mean Valve changing some of the terms of their own royalty cut from Steam sales; the overall cut could still stay at 30% but Valve themselves would have to get a smaller portion and allow Lenovo, Asus, Acer, MSI etc. to get some of that cut. Valve would still have to pay for R&D, but they can then sell the design to those other guys on licenses, kind of like how ARM does. If Epic can get by with 10% of the cut from software sales, surely Valve can, while they split the remaining 20% among 3-4 other manufacturers (my picks would be Lenovo, Asus, and MSI primarily).

Either that or, gamers become comfortable with $600 consoles in the near future because that's around the price Microsoft and Sony would be selling the Series X and PS5 if they wanted to make profit on them from Day 1. If gamers come to accept that pricing then I can see Valve keeping their regular business model, maybe reducing their cut a bit anyway, and having more partners just build their own variants selling them at a slight profit, but they'd still need an additional financial incentive and that's where Valve would have to get really creative.

There are options but, like I said, they'd have to really think outside the box for them.
 

sunnysideup

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Trip Hawkin's 3DO vision would finally be realized.

TBH I think we're at a point technology-wise where that idea COULD become a reality, as these consoles are pretty much capable of photorealism and it's actually game budget & time that dictate how good visuals can get now, not so much the technology (specifically with Microsoft & Sony's systems).

Of course the big issue with 3DO was, since the manufacturers made no money on software, they had to do it through hardware, and it made the system prohibitively expensive no matter which one you picked. Valve kind of ran into a similar problem with Steam Machines years back; they simply can't repeat that mistake again. So, there has to be some incentive for manufacturers of such a system to keep prices around console-level and not skimp out on specs.

I guess this would mean Valve changing some of the terms of their own royalty cut from Steam sales; the overall cut could still stay at 30% but Valve themselves would have to get a smaller portion and allow Lenovo, Asus, Acer, MSI etc. to get some of that cut. Valve would still have to pay for R&D, but they can then sell the design to those other guys on licenses, kind of like how ARM does. If Epic can get by with 10% of the cut from software sales, surely Valve can, while they split the remaining 20% among 3-4 other manufacturers (my picks would be Lenovo, Asus, and MSI primarily).

Either that or, gamers become comfortable with $600 consoles in the near future because that's around the price Microsoft and Sony would be selling the Series X and PS5 if they wanted to make profit on them from Day 1. If gamers come to accept that pricing then I can see Valve keeping their regular business model, maybe reducing their cut a bit anyway, and having more partners just build their own variants selling them at a slight profit, but they'd still need an additional financial incentive and that's where Valve would have to get really creative.

There are options but, like I said, they'd have to really think outside the box for them.
good post.

Yes prices of this sort of contraption would be higher than a traditional console, but lower than a current pc. But at the same time it would ensure you could play current console games @ 60fps.
 

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If steam deck is successful, we are bound to see a new type steam console class of hardware.

The idea behind the deck is to get other hardware manufacturers to make the deck once the software platform is established. And if valve can get the software/hardware working we will see a console in the same vein within a year or two.

This will make the entry level pc-console much much more accessible, cheaper to the big masses.

Just think when you can buy a steam deck, steam console from cheap brands like asus, lg, msi, lenovo, tcl,

Its going to be the new gaming standard like dvd.
That's a brilliant idea. Creating walled gardens for PC too. Everyone should rejoice. Plus certain incompetent hardware manufacturers who casually forget to release driver updates . What could go wrong.
 

Ozzie666

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Could they use the steam deck in conjunction with an eGPU style set-up? Not sure the tech is there yet, or if they could add more grunt to the external set up beyond a GPU.
 

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Could they use the steam deck in conjunction with an eGPU style set-up? Not sure the tech is there yet, or if they could add more grunt to the external set up beyond a GPU.
Doesn't support Tb3 as far as I know, very few amd builds do and don't think tb4 (which should be more open) is finalised.