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How Microsoft isn’t getting its deserved credit.
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Venom Snake
Gold Member
When people only see value in such things, the saying "you will own nothing and be happy about it" becomes a grim reality.
SuperSaiyanWithDreads
Banned
Who gives a fuck!? They don’t have feelings. How about this this. Xbox is pushing an garbage gamepass agenda that's wants to kill physical games. They’re evil for that. Now what? Gone head and defend it xbot
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KungFucius
King Snowflake
You didn't give them credit for trying to develop a system where you could sell digital games and still hold that against them, why should we do what you won't do yourself? Seriously if people could sell used digital games, you wouldn't have this BS where the game is full price for years and MS and devs would be taking a little cut instead of ebay. But that was so awful and evil that you still fume over it 9 years later? OK. I think it was an idea way ahead of its time that would have made things much better for the consumer. But now we have GamePass where I can play all the games for an annual cost equivalent to 1.71 PS5 games. That is better, but selling used digital games could have made Sony do something other than keep digital prices at launch price because they can.
Gavon West
Spread's Cheeks for Intrusive Ads
C'mon bro. C'mon!!
The company is now owned by Microsoft. So Microsoft is making new games. It's like, everything is the fault of Xbox. No one ever mentions that these companies put themselves up for sale, giving companies like Sony, Google, Amazon and apple a chance to buy them. NOT ONE of them stepped up. Microsoft did. They had the finances to make the deal - in cash!
How this is a Microsoft problem is baffling. If Sony or Nintendo wanted exclusive Bethesda games, they had their chance. They didn't. The rest is history.
DJ12
Member
Paying astroturfers.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Xbox has done more for console gaming in the past two decades than the other two combined. Cheers and congrats to that team.
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Reave
Member
How exactly?
jm89
Member
Having to pay for online multiplayer.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Nonsense take, if anything they are getting too much credit. 20 years later and their only real contributions are services.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
In addition to the OPs points, which are quite significant, they also revolutionized online gaming in the console space, basically defined the standard. They championed cross play and play anywhere. Free and seamless upgrades by device. Enhanced backward compatible games with rez, hdr and fps boost. Given us more ways to play our games then ever before with remote play, cloud, PC, Samsung TVs, etc.
All that and more. Also Game Pass is the greatest thing to come to the space since Xbox brought the original Xbox Live.
drganon
Member
Reave
Member
All of that is fine and good, but there’s also something to be said for Microsoft’s attempt at steering us towards console DRM, the supreme mishandling of their tentpole franchise, first-party management, delays, and the subsequent effect those delays have had on Game Pass — in terms of coming up short with its most important pillar (first-party releases).
Not saying the other console manufacturers have been spotless, either. But, that’s the point. None of them have made it to today flawlessly.
So, to say one has done more than two combined — regardless of who you put in that slot — will undermine the positives that each company brought to the table.
We’re obviously in subjective territory, here. So, I digress.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Well said, they've got the infra-level stuff down to a T. And with the delayed games coming out in the next few months and their first party pipeline getting better, it's only going to get better from here onward.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
I would agree they have been stronger in services over content lately, but they are showing they can deliver quality now, and the slow trickle will soon be over.All of that is fine and good, but there’s also something to be said for Microsoft’s attempt at steering us towards console DRM, the supreme mishandling of their tentpole franchise, first-party management, delays, and the subsequent effect those delays have had on Game Pass — in terms of coming up short with its most important pillar (first-party releases).
Not saying the other console manufacturers have been spotless, either. But, that’s the point. None of them have made it to today flawlessly.
So, to say one has done more than two combined — regardless of who you put in that slot — will undermine the positives that each company brought to the table.
We’re obviously in subjective territory, here. So, I digress.
SaturnSaturn
Member
I am not sure what you are expecting from a forum that permabanned people that said they were going to buy xbox ones during its launch on here.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
SaturnSaturn
Member
yes bish permabanned posters that said they were buying xbox ones, since no living person who was not an astroturfer would ever buy a xbox one, everyone cheered it on while he posted his stupid samuel l jackson gifs.wtf is this real ?
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Sure it is, truly scarce of pro GamePass threads and definitely not helping a victim complex here… nope…
The Shepard
Member
I still prefer the original xbox and xbox 360 (minus the kinect years) Microsoft. This Microsoft are better than last gen, but that's not exactly hard to beat as nothing made me want to buy an xbox till later on in the gen. I'm also finding this years gamepass not as good as last year or the previous years. Next year looks good though and I'm looking forward to starfield on my series x.
GHG
Gold Member
Lionhead were not redundant. They were instructed to make games not suited to their strengths, personnel and IP and then when that didn't work out they took the fall for it.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
wtf is this real ?
I was a lurker back then, but yeah I actually saw people get banned for being a green rat.
It was the shitty mod team that went to resetera. And they still do it over there.
Back then = if you don't enjoy PlayStation but Xbox, go to jail.
Resetera now = you enjoy the games more than the amount of genders, go to jail.
Different rules, same shit.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
What the hell kind of rhetoric is this.
Microsoft wasn't multi platform before gamepass, why would they be if Sony paid to block all third party developer from the service?
The way you want to see GP crash and burn and make Xbox games to your playstation makes you seem jelly
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feynoob
Banned
Which was Don Mattrick error.
The issue started during xbox 360 with kinetic. Rare were wasted potential from that move.
While Phil has alot to blame, it's was his duty to fix those mistakes.
At least it led to rare sea of theives.
Don mattrick inability to focus on the 1st party pretty much guaranteed xbox one to be dry during the mid gen and later of the gen.
My blame for Phil however is not doing 3rd party deals like Don Mattrick. While Don was shit, he had the guts to do 3rd party deals. Credits to him for that.
akaFullmetal
Member
Everything the op listed is great and has been praised for here but the one thing that Xbox is missing is big first party games. We have seen far and few of them for close to 10 years now and the last two years have been a drought. None for 2022 even.
We hear from fans to wait for E3, it is a meme now. We probably will start seeing something in 2023 but again they need to deliver before they get recognition for that.
We hear from fans to wait for E3, it is a meme now. We probably will start seeing something in 2023 but again they need to deliver before they get recognition for that.
SaturnSaturn
Member
yeah, no wonder it was the way it was then after all the head mod bish on here used to work for Adam Boyes at Beefy Media.
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Griffon
Member
MS made paid P2P online a standard for consoles, and just for that I wish they never entered the market.
Pretty much every step of the way they've been a detriment to the industry one way or another. Gamepass being the latest of a series of scummy moves.
Sadly the other two manufacturers have a tendency to copy those moves later on.
Pretty much every step of the way they've been a detriment to the industry one way or another. Gamepass being the latest of a series of scummy moves.
Sadly the other two manufacturers have a tendency to copy those moves later on.
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Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Honestly, I think credit is due for the radicalism of the pivot into Gamepass/Xcloud as their core service offering, and for their current hardware for being well engineered. Same deal with their BC and overall software stack.
But beyond that... I think that there are way too many caveats to their performance to praise them too fulsomely. Their portfolio management is still shockingly poor with tentpole releases being frequently absent, delayed, or poorly received. Their product pipeline under Spencer and Booty has NEVER been what it should. A situation I do not see being remedied by their aggressive acquisition strategy, because given how they've struggled with a relatively small first-party line-up why would anyone believe that exponentially increasing the number of studios and developers under their aegis isn't simply going to result in a similar outcome just on a larger scale?
But beyond that... I think that there are way too many caveats to their performance to praise them too fulsomely. Their portfolio management is still shockingly poor with tentpole releases being frequently absent, delayed, or poorly received. Their product pipeline under Spencer and Booty has NEVER been what it should. A situation I do not see being remedied by their aggressive acquisition strategy, because given how they've struggled with a relatively small first-party line-up why would anyone believe that exponentially increasing the number of studios and developers under their aegis isn't simply going to result in a similar outcome just on a larger scale?
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DarkMage619
$MSFT
All excellent points. You can add it advancements to console gaming with the standard hard drive, achievements, and standard wireless controllers as well.
In the end it doesn't really matter if MS is given 'credit' or not for Xbox. The people that actually own and use their products are best equipped to even know what they are talking about. Most of the others are just trash talking on the internet and those people have no credibility in the first place.
Ghost of Caelid
Banned
MS is getting credit and it’s shown in sales and coverage. They not the market leaders but they are in a great place. They’ve been one of the more innovative companies in gaming for better or worse. I like they introducing new means to the market and that shows in how well gamepass is doing.
Hitchyhero
Banned
I also want to add that they were the first to have a properly online and unified live ecosystem on the consoles. Dreamcast had some sort.... but it just wasnt there. Xbox were the first to allow downloads of digital games. They were the first to have a store on consoles and allowed smaller studios to thrive. They were the first to have a hard drive in their console.
Whilst I'm sure Sony would have done it eventually, it wouldn't have been as quick. It even took the PS3 a while to get it's online ecosystem sorted. I think a lot of people forget that the OG Xbox had a pretty robust online system, and subsequently the 360, way before the PS3 ever did.
Whilst I'm sure Sony would have done it eventually, it wouldn't have been as quick. It even took the PS3 a while to get it's online ecosystem sorted. I think a lot of people forget that the OG Xbox had a pretty robust online system, and subsequently the 360, way before the PS3 ever did.
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DarkMage619
$MSFT
Who is offering a superior backwards compatibility solution?
///PATRIOT
Banned
I give them a lot of credit for paint and notepad.
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Synless
Member
Read what I said.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Care to elaborate. You called their BC program half assed next to the competitor. Which competitor has a full assed BC program by comparison ?
Moses85
Member
Trazyn the Infinite
Member
Let's be real: They banned people for anything and everything. Say something a mod disagreed with? Banned. Made a joke that a mod found offense to? Banned. Angered a friend of a mod? Banned.
Thankfully all those crazy cunts went to make their own forum and the moderators we have today are actually fair.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
It was Phil Harrison, who Jim is dragging around the world trying to squelch the ActiBlizz deal like it's Weekend at Bernie's, that forced Fable into live service with Fable Legends. That's what killed Lionhead.
Why Lionhead sank beneath the weight of Fable Legends
Kotaku UK pulls together accounts from multiple anonymous sources close to Lionhead to try and paint a picture of how Fable Legends spelled the downfall of one of the UK's venerable studios.
feynoob
Banned
TLZ
Banned
Everyone does.
anothertech
Member
Loved og Xbox too. I'm in awe that Xbox software is in it's current state.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
So you want to go back to no private voice chatrooms, dedicated servers and a service that's not down all the time?
Playing with a friend sucked on the PS3. We are all laughing at Switch has to use a phone to talk to each other, which was the same we did with ps3.
Also, who doesn't remember the infamous hack where people got their data stolen?
Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
MS backwards compatibility has been very disappointing for me. This was supposed to be the gen where BC caught up to PC 2 with 4k patches and FPS boost. Now they've completely shut their BC program down. Most games that got fps boost have to have their settings and resolution lowered to the point that no series x owner wants to play them.
They havnt even patched 3 very key xbox one launch games: sunset Overdrive (720p/30), ryse (720p/30) and dead rising 3 no patches for at least 2 being very good games. There are still lots of missing bc games and the ones that do exist need patches.
MS ruined Halo. MS is pushing forced cross play in their multiplayer games. I also have no faith that great games are actually coming next year except for Forza Motorsport. Starfield I'm worried will be a technical disaster for Series X owners. I'm also kinda salty that the Series S is a thing if there's any truth to it holding back next gen games (which I think there is).
I don't trust that Gamepass will have a positive effect on the direction of the industry going forward. I'm old school though. Not a big fan of services.
They havnt even patched 3 very key xbox one launch games: sunset Overdrive (720p/30), ryse (720p/30) and dead rising 3 no patches for at least 2 being very good games. There are still lots of missing bc games and the ones that do exist need patches.
MS ruined Halo. MS is pushing forced cross play in their multiplayer games. I also have no faith that great games are actually coming next year except for Forza Motorsport. Starfield I'm worried will be a technical disaster for Series X owners. I'm also kinda salty that the Series S is a thing if there's any truth to it holding back next gen games (which I think there is).
I don't trust that Gamepass will have a positive effect on the direction of the industry going forward. I'm old school though. Not a big fan of services.
Humdinger
Member
As always, it comes down to the games -- exclusive games, in this case. Until MS start delivering on that front, many people will be reserved in their accolades. They get heaps of credit for GP, because everyone loves a bargain, but the hesitance you hear is because they still haven't delivered on the most important front. The hesitation is justified, because the drought has been going on an awfully long time, coming up on 8 years.
Things should change in a year or two, though. Yes, I know, it's a meme. But with all the studio acquisitions, it's inevitable.
Things should change in a year or two, though. Yes, I know, it's a meme. But with all the studio acquisitions, it's inevitable.
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