Dream-Knife
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Nvidia recently came out with it as a driver level option, so you can do it in any game now.
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How long can PC gaming last with current prices on graphics cards?
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DarkestHour
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Fixed that for you. It's the game that are relatively stagnant in tech. PC components constantly get better, but the games don't really take advantage.
Dust-by-Monday
Member
That's what I meant. PCs keep getting more powerful, but the games are still built around the limitations of the console first so in order to see a massive difference in the way games are designed, you need a new console generation to start and then you'll see that PC tech be used more.
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GymWolf
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Fuck me.
I mean, pc is still better for a crapload of things compared to console, but yeah buying a sex with gamepass doesn't sound like the worse idea ever right now if you already have a ps5.
Sosokrates
Report me if I continue to console war
Current gen games, will run ok on a 1060/rx580 so pc market will be fine. Higher end PC gaming is really expensive at the moment though.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
A 1080Ti + Nvidia Image Scaling, you are sorted for quite a while even at 1440p...dare I say with some settings pared back even 4K.
Pretty much anyone with a 1070 or higher doesnt need to be panicking about the GPU prices just yet.
Just play on high or medium turning down those settings that eat frames for free.
And if you were one of those hyper enthusiasts who always gets the xx80+ chances are money wasnt "really" an object to begin with.
And once UE5 and other Temporal upscaling/Injection techniques are more prevalent our pascal and turing GPUs should last quite a while.
Even games that favor AMD hardware you can use Nvidia Image Scaling to upscale to a 4K resolution with a few settings dropped.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
It's pretty brutal out there, at least here in the US. 3060 is going for ~$750-800, 3060 Ti is ~$850-900, 3070 is going for over $1K. I've seen a few deals on pre-builts where it would make more sense to go that route as opposed to paying a scalper. It's not my preference, but I'm tempted to do it and maybe sell my old hardware afterwards.
I just want a 3060 Ti or a 3070 at this point. I signed up for the EVGA queue back in Feb/March and at the time you could add a bunch of cards, but then they had a notification that certain skus wouldn't be available. Later they made you select only 2 cards. I did the 3060 Ti and as a "fuck it" pick I also did the 3060 12GB thinking it might be available sooner. A week ago I finally got the 3060 12GB after 9 months of waiting, so that's the state of the EVGA queue. Newegg is out there giving you a chance to "win" an opportunity to buy a $1K 3070 Ti with some RAM or an overpriced monitor in a bundle, basically scalping. Bleh.
I just want a 3060 Ti or a 3070 at this point. I signed up for the EVGA queue back in Feb/March and at the time you could add a bunch of cards, but then they had a notification that certain skus wouldn't be available. Later they made you select only 2 cards. I did the 3060 Ti and as a "fuck it" pick I also did the 3060 12GB thinking it might be available sooner. A week ago I finally got the 3060 12GB after 9 months of waiting, so that's the state of the EVGA queue. Newegg is out there giving you a chance to "win" an opportunity to buy a $1K 3070 Ti with some RAM or an overpriced monitor in a bundle, basically scalping. Bleh.
Irobot82
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IF......and a big If, Ethereum 2.0 doesn't get delayed and is finally pushed out mid 2022, 9/10ths of the GPU mining market will collapse. I don't think the other shitcoins can sustain that much hashpower. That'll flood the market with used GPU's and tank demand by at least 50% if not more.
CuteFaceJay
Member
This little thing called credit. it'll be fine just don't expect to buy parts out right like some people use to.
V4skunk
Banned
Lol you realise every 6 months pc hardware is advancing?
Syphon Filter
Member
I dont see pricing an issue at all, its nothing new. More will continue to come to pc due to better performance, free online and better multiplatform games. Also backward compatibility that goes back to the 90's, every xbox game is on pc and most playstation games come to pc too.
GymWolf
Member
Wait what? i can use dlss in any game? is it complicated?
GymWolf
Member
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
I think hes talking about Nvidia Image Scaling which is the competitor of AMD FSR.
Nvidia Image Scaling has been driver level for a long time, Nvidia just recently updated it to be "better".
GymWolf
Member
What is his purpose? like a sharpening tool?
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Same shit as FSR.
Its a Spatial Upscaler with an Adaptive Sharpening filter applied on top.
With the GFE overlay you can even change the sharpening amount on the fly.
It still doesnt hold a candle to DLSS.
But if you need those extra frames its an option for you beyond simply lowering resolution.
Dream-Knife
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It's not DLSS, it's Nvidia Image Scaling.
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It actually works pretty well in the 77% mode.
Dust-by-Monday
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Yeah and all of that advancement goes into faster frame rates and higher settings, but you're still at the mercy of the devs in regards to how the engine was written. Yes, I know about mods and stuff.
What I'm saying is... games don't look insanely better than their console counterparts even as your hardware changes every 6 months. Consoles largely dictate how the game is designed. Once the new generation starts, THEN the developers change their game engines and add the latest software tech that the hardware can finally take advantage of.
Look at the last multi-platform PC games from 2012 vs the games we got after the release of the PS4. Massive difference.
Reizo Ryuu
Gold Member
My vega is aging but still handles pretty much everything at 1080p just fine.
Honestly upgrading to an i9 109k, 32gb ram and an M2 ssd was a massive upgrade in itself; I would like to upgrade my gpu, but I don't really need to.
Honestly upgrading to an i9 109k, 32gb ram and an M2 ssd was a massive upgrade in itself; I would like to upgrade my gpu, but I don't really need to.
you bought sex with gamepass? she must've been desperate.
GymWolf
Member
zeomax
Member
Ethereum 2.0 will never happen. ETH is worth more than ever before and they would not do anything that could damage its value.
Shadowstar39
Member
I was lucky enough to nab a 2060 in November 2020, right after building a ryzen 3600 build up from a sand bridge 2011 i3. Performance through the roof.
A week later everything was gone. Out of stock. I signed up for evga step up got a 3060ti, 8 months later but at original msrp (so like $80 as it was a trade in of my $350 2060. Loving it!
I kept my two cards one in ankther box a 1060 3gb card and a 1650 super. Both I could sell and get over $600 for them together, but I kinda want to play it safe. Who knoes how long the shortage and miner fiasco will last. I'd rather have backups in case so that 1650 stays in storage.
I worry about gpu breaking as my 8800gts and ati 7870 both stopped working after a few years. Even with warranty who knows how long they get you a replacement.
Also what happens when no one can get cards. No pc games can get made. The industry ca t just sit by and do nothing.
A week later everything was gone. Out of stock. I signed up for evga step up got a 3060ti, 8 months later but at original msrp (so like $80 as it was a trade in of my $350 2060. Loving it!
I kept my two cards one in ankther box a 1060 3gb card and a 1650 super. Both I could sell and get over $600 for them together, but I kinda want to play it safe. Who knoes how long the shortage and miner fiasco will last. I'd rather have backups in case so that 1650 stays in storage.
I worry about gpu breaking as my 8800gts and ati 7870 both stopped working after a few years. Even with warranty who knows how long they get you a replacement.
Also what happens when no one can get cards. No pc games can get made. The industry ca t just sit by and do nothing.
Irobot82
Member
We'll see. Buterin seems determined to make it happen. POS is such a shitty system, but unless they change their algo to something that can't be mined on a GPU, they'll have to switch.
meanspartan
Member
I bought a lower medium end cyberpower PC on black friday 2019. It was on sale for $600 with an i5 quad core and a GTX 1660. I was gonna wait to build my own PC the following year, but the low price convinced me to go for it. I am so glad I bought then.
Don't know if it's any better now, but by fall 2020 gtx 1660s were going for over $500 *used*! Almost as much as I paid for the whole PC.
Also, a 1660 is older now, but it still runs games great on 1080p60 if that's enough for you. On highest or second-highest settings. In fact I have an ultrawide display at 2560x1080, and Halo Infinite runs at a stable 60fps with High+ settings.
I have no need to upgrade for the next 2-3 years since even medoum settings are fine to me. 1660 is great, so glad I bought when I did. Little did I know what an even greater deal it was in hindsight haha.
Don't know if it's any better now, but by fall 2020 gtx 1660s were going for over $500 *used*! Almost as much as I paid for the whole PC.
Also, a 1660 is older now, but it still runs games great on 1080p60 if that's enough for you. On highest or second-highest settings. In fact I have an ultrawide display at 2560x1080, and Halo Infinite runs at a stable 60fps with High+ settings.
I have no need to upgrade for the next 2-3 years since even medoum settings are fine to me. 1660 is great, so glad I bought when I did. Little did I know what an even greater deal it was in hindsight haha.
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*hugs 1080ti*
Maybe devs will have to put in work and actually care about optimizing their games on PC for once? It would be good for a change. I also wouldn't mind the GFX arms race to slow down a bit. We will be fine in 2022. But in 2023 cards like the GTX 970 and better will start to feel the heat. But if we resort to 1080p 30 FPS there shouldn't be any issues as long as cards have at least 6GB of VRAM for great looking textures.
Also how good will a true next gen game look at low settings? Honestly there are time where I set games to low settings and they still look amazing. Just make sure to play them at native res, some AA. AF16 and the highest textures you can allocate on your graphics card, and you will be good to go.
Also how good will a true next gen game look at low settings? Honestly there are time where I set games to low settings and they still look amazing. Just make sure to play them at native res, some AA. AF16 and the highest textures you can allocate on your graphics card, and you will be good to go.
lmimmfn
Member
Im playing on a 35" ultrawide gsynch monitor and tbh ive never seen an actual need to upgrade.A 1080Ti + Nvidia Image Scaling, you are sorted for quite a while even at 1440p...dare I say with some settings pared back even 4K.
Pretty much anyone with a 1070 or higher doesnt need to be panicking about the GPU prices just yet.
Just play on high or medium turning down those settings that eat frames for free.
And if you were one of those hyper enthusiasts who always gets the xx80+ chances are money wasnt "really" an object to begin with.
And once UE5 and other Temporal upscaling/Injection techniques are more prevalent our pascal and turing GPUs should last quite a while.
Even games that favor AMD hardware you can use Nvidia Image Scaling to upscale to a 4K resolution with a few settings dropped.
Everything i want to play looks good, AAA gaming has been shit this year so im mostly playing older games.
Its not a cash problem to upgrade, i just wont spend money on nonsense.
I spent my 3080/3090 on retro gaming, bought an Amiga 1200, Amstrad CPC 6128, gotek, andspent the remainder on a logitech x95 ultimate keyboard
Its Nvidia's loss at the end of the day, ill never upgrade for scalper prices!!!!!
V4skunk
Banned
And the difference in pc vs ps4 from just before ps5 launch is even bigger.
teezzy
Banned
thats just fuckin stupid, gaming on a pc at 720p rather than a next gen console. Folks like you who make the pc vs console bullshit carry on. I hope your not an actual adult. Cringe.
A lot of PC player, myself included, adore the platform for its limitless hardware customization, the seemingly endless backwards compatibility support, free online play, cheap games, and ability to utilize non-gaming functions
For me, graphics, resolution, and FPS are often an afterthought
Going back to console seems so restrictive
Grechy34
Member
I have a gaming PC but as I'm going on holidays I wanted a gaming PC I could take away with me. I ended up purchasing an Acer Nitro gaming laptop with an RTX3060 (95 watt) i7 11800, 16G of ram for 1495AU which is equivalent to 1084USD. I added an extra 16GB of ram for AU200 (USD145). It's not on the levels of my home PC but it's surprisingly really good for something that is only a travel PC. High end PC gaming though - prices are definitely now out of the average consumers reach.
Fare thee well
Neophyte
Im serious enough about pc gaming that i would probably do some pretty drastic things to keep playing games. It's my #1 joy and interest. If that means bigger investments, I won't like it, but I will budget accordingly.
MadchesterManc
Member
We grooving into 2022 baby
Honestly seems like anything upwards of a 2070/5700XT these days will do alright for a while longer yet, so long as you're not trying to hit ultra settings on every game. May as well wait it out even tho by now it feels like it'll never end
Honestly seems like anything upwards of a 2070/5700XT these days will do alright for a while longer yet, so long as you're not trying to hit ultra settings on every game. May as well wait it out even tho by now it feels like it'll never end
Dust-by-Monday
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Slapping RT on last gen games isn’t what I call next gen.
Iced Arcade
Member
Thought about getting a gaming rig this year but didn't want to re mortgage my house.
Some decade I definitely will
Some decade I definitely will
Wildebeest
Member
PC gaming dying every year since 2001.
IntentionalPun
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If demand goes down.. so will prices... demand is super high, hence the prices...
Not entirely sure where your logic stands here lol It's expensive because of the shortages + popularity.
Not entirely sure where your logic stands here lol It's expensive because of the shortages + popularity.
teezzy
Banned
We grooving into 2022 baby
Honestly seems like anything upwards of a 2070/5700XT these days will do alright for a while longer yet, so long as you're not trying to hit ultra settings on every game. May as well wait it out even tho by now it feels like it'll never end
1440p and RTX 2070 XC for me
So grateful I went with the factory overclock when I did
purvispisgah
Member
This is the post of a person that doesn't get it. Mods alone offer enough value for that person's viewpoint to be completely legitimate.
Reallink
Member
The fact that we're nearing 1.5 years later and I haven't seen a single news story or anecdotal report about PC game, component, or peripheral sales being down suggests the pricing is being overwhelmingly supported by PC gamers and is almost assuredly the new normal going forward. There doesn't seem to be any downside to it, so there's no incentive to change it. Kids can work a couple weeks in retail or fast food and buy a 3080 with their $15-$20/hr salaries so I guess it checks out, plenty of money to go around.
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Red Crayon Aristocrat
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This is one of the reasons why I feel like gaming may not have too much more of a future for me.
Can't afford a new console or graphics card at these prices, if things don't go down then at some point I'm going to be done.
lol, this is exactly me, a 2080ti is what I got and I'm very thankful to have it, especially since I wasn't originally going to upgrade until 2020.
Can't afford a new console or graphics card at these prices, if things don't go down then at some point I'm going to be done.
We grooving into 2022 baby
Honestly seems like anything upwards of a 2070/5700XT these days will do alright for a while longer yet, so long as you're not trying to hit ultra settings on every game. May as well wait it out even tho by now it feels like it'll never end
lol, this is exactly me, a 2080ti is what I got and I'm very thankful to have it, especially since I wasn't originally going to upgrade until 2020.