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[RPS37]

It still looks like these new consoles are not going to have nearly enough space.
Modern Warfare is someone around 200GB, I’m in the middle of updating Apex with a 40GB patch, and Flight Simulator just came out with somewhere around 150GB.

I’m drowning in gigs and see no hope in sight.
I don’t see a viable solution I deleting and redownloading games all the time when my connection tops out at about 20Mb/s.

What do you guys think about all of this? Where’s middle out?

 

[kretos]

New consoles SSD will use winrar so download size will be smaller

 

[bitbydeath]

The SSD’s will save us!

 

[Thief1987]

The SSD’s will save us!

Texture compression should also help. But all of this could be compensated by bigger assets size.

 

[mcz117chief]

I don’t see a viable solution I deleting and redownloading games all the time when my connection tops out at about 20Mb/s.

I have to make do with 3 MB/s, so consider yourself lucky.

 

[Soodanim]

The SSD’s will save us!

I'm assuming this isn't real

 

[30yearsofhurt]

I'm assuming this isn't real

It's a fantastic talk by an Insomniac developer on how they solved streaming assets for Spiderman. Look it up on YT.

 

[Soodanim]

It's a fantastic talk by an Insomniac developer on how they solved streaming assets for Spiderman. Look it up on YT.

Thank you, I will. I knew duplication was a thing, but I didn't realise it accounted for that much of the install size.

Could the current gen be the last of 200GB COD for a long time?

 

[30yearsofhurt]

Thank you, I will. I knew duplication was a thing, but I didn't realise it accounted for that much of the install size.

Could the current gen be the last of 200GB COD for a long time?

Or will the ability to stream large volumes of data encourage the use of bigger, better assets?

 

[M1chl]

I have to make do with 3 MB/s, so consider yourself lucky.

3MB or 3Mb/s that McFiber company is not for you there? You know Fiber 1Gb/s, for 700CZK/month. Cause I've been told that they are in 20km raidus around here (they are based in Brandys)...

 

[mcz117chief]

3MB or 3Mb/s that McFiber company is not for you there? You know Fiber 1Gb/s, for 700CZK/month. Cause I've been told that they are in 20km raidus around here (they are based in Brandys)...

30 mbs so I download at around 3 MB. I don't really care lol I am moving out soon.

 

[Soodanim]

Or will the ability to stream large volumes of data encourage the use of bigger, better assets?

At least there consoles are limited by VRAM, but yeah I’d expect to see higher resolution character textures.

 

[The Shepard]

It still looks like these new consoles are not going to have nearly enough space.

Buy an external hdd and put any games not in use on there, there pretty cheap these days. Space will be an issue otherwise yes.

 

[FeldMonster]

It still looks like these new consoles are not going to have nearly enough space.
Modern Warfare is someone around 200GB, I’m in the middle of updating Apex with a 40GB patch, and Flight Simulator just came out with somewhere around 150GB.

I’m drowning in gigs and see no hope in sight.
I don’t see a viable solution I deleting and redownloading games all the time when my connection tops out at about 20Mb/s.

What do you guys think about all of this? Where’s middle out?

Pardon my ignorance, but can you explain "middle-out compression". Not a term I have heard before.

 

[TheContact]

yes.

 

[bargeparty]

If you don't have good internet buy physical?

 

[chaseroni]

If you don't have good internet buy physical?

We're talking about games locally stored data and their need for higher and higher storage capacities.
Reinstalling games all the time is not an ideal solution.

 

[M1chl]

New consoles SSD will use winrar so download size will be smaller

Are you going to have to click on "buy later" as with PC version tho?

 

[bargeparty]

We're talking about games locally stored data and their need for higher and higher storage capacities.
Reinstalling games all the time is not an ideal solution.

Of course it is. The OP specifically calls out "redownloading" and internet speeds so unless he's explaining himself completely wrong...

Everything gets installed locally, even today with physical media. You put the disc in and it installs the game to the HDD.

Having a physical disc and popping it in, will install the game in minutes, especially with SSD. So yes, if you cannot re-download games "quickly" then you can stick with physical media and swap out games as needed.

Not to mention these consoles will have expandable storage, just like the current gen.

You don't need 20 games installed all the time.


You guys like to make up problems or something I can't figure this out.

 

[chaseroni]

Of course it is. The OP specifically calls out "redownloading" and internet speeds so unless he's explaining himself completely wrong...

Nah OP is specifically calling out the lack of good compression and decompression in modern games with regard to file size.

You guys like to make up problems or something I can't figure this out.

Or maybe you fail to see the problem with games like COD taking up 200gbs
There are better ways, no need to be archaic with discs.

 

[RPS37]

30 mbs so I download at around 3 MB. I don't really care lol I am moving out soon.

I meant megaBITS, so you’re actually faster than me.

 

[mcz117chief]

I meant megaBITS, so you’re actually faster than me.

Good grief, man.

 

[CuNi]

Of course it is. The OP specifically calls out "redownloading" and internet speeds so unless he's explaining himself completely wrong...

Everything gets installed locally, even today with physical media. You put the disc in and it installs the game to the HDD.

Having a physical disc and popping it in, will install the game in minutes, especially with SSD. So yes, if you cannot re-download games "quickly" then you can stick with physical media and swap out games as needed.

Not to mention these consoles will have expandable storage, just like the current gen.

You don't need 20 games installed all the time.


You guys like to make up problems or something I can't figure this out.

Also, with games like cod warzone, your disc might install 89gb and then you need to download probably around 200gb anyway because of updates and content patches that came after release and you end up needing just as long as fully downloading from the beginning.

 

[STARSBarry]

Having a physical disc and popping it in, will install the game in minutes, especially with SSD.

Holy crap what sort of quantum disc drive is the PS5 going to have to allow for this? Will the disc break the sound barrier with its RPM?

Joking aside as games get bigger even with physical media they will take longer to install unless they drastically improve disc drives, potentially once SSD becomes even cheaper than it is now we could see Switch style cartridges on a playstation.

 

[ZywyPL]

There's a solution already:

 

[TriSuit666]

They'll hire Fitgirl to do the compression algorithm for them.

 

[Bankai]

"I’m drowning in gigs and see no hope in sight."

Haha so dramatic, I love it

 

[notseqi]

I’m drowning in gigs and see no hope in sight.

 

[bargeparty]

Nah OP is specifically calling out the lack of good compression and decompression in modern games with regard to file size.

Or maybe you fail to see the problem with games like COD taking up 200gbs
There are better ways, no need to be archaic with discs.

OP is calling out a few different things, all which sort of relate to each other.

What better way is there? How do you get around downloading a 50GB game at 2MB?

You can get around long download times by using a disc because most games don't have ridiculous patch sizes. If the dev pushing 200GB patches all the time you can't get around that when you have shit internet.

Also, with games like cod warzone, your disc might install 89gb and then you need to download probably around 200gb anyway because of updates and content patches that came after release and you end up needing just as long as fully downloading from the beginning.

There are a small number of games reaching such sizes. Could it increase with next-gen, sure. But we also have some tech to help out. It's not PS's fault that COD is garbage.

Holy crap what sort of quantum disc drive is the PS5 going to have to allow for this? Will the disc break the sound barrier with its RPM?

Joking aside as games get bigger even with physical media they will take longer to install unless they drastically improve disc drives, potentially once SSD becomes even cheaper than it is now we could see Switch style cartridges on a playstation.

Look up the current blu-ray drive speeds, it's really not that bad and coupled with better compression and a much faster system architecture, I can't see installing games from disc taking that long.

 

[kuncol02]

The SSD’s will save us!

It's still 35GB instead of 45GB for Spiderman. And that's probably most extreme example of data duplication outside of games using technologies like megatexture.

 

[Handy Fake]

yes.

Came here to say this.

 

[JonnyMP3]

It's still 35GB instead of 45GB for Spiderman. And that's probably most extreme example of data duplication outside of games using technologies like megatexture.

Do it 5 times though and Boom!.. extra space for 1 more game.

 

[RPS37]

Excuse me for bumping my old ass thread but...

A 500GB PS4 May No Longer Be Able to Fit Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War and Warzone​

A 500GB PS4 May No Longer Be Able to Fit Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War and Warzone - IGN

Activision has said that 500GB PS4 owners may "need to make room" to fit the fully-updated versions of Call of Duty Black Ops Cold War and Warzone on one system.

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