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[Panajev2001a]

Doesn't surprise me that no one at The Guardian has ever taken an economics course...


Wait.

Tsk tsk… it has only been tried hundreds of times throughout a few thousand years of history and never worked as advertised or created worse problems… well double PhD in economics losing a lot of value or poorly reflecting on UMass…

 

[Panajev2001a]

I’ve seen her tweets, where’s the lie?

So tired of being at this point where just speaking truth means you’re some kind of phobic/anti whatever. I don’t care what people have between their legs, whatever, we can be friends, but, when a former dude starts trying to say he’s a “natural female” like those of us actually born female…come on, man, lets think about this for a moment. I truly believe it’s a mental illness, your parent’s egg and sperm didn’t fuck up, they made you what you were meant to be and you decided one day you didn’t like that and felt like changing, that doesn’t make us the same.

Welcome to the “Pick Me!” Club they would say maybe? Internalised misogyny? Self restrained by patriarchal system? Part of the problem and not of the solution… it is a religious mindset where they are the right ones and everyone else is people that for any sort of reason are in the wrong (and they have a lot of anger towards traitors of the cause especially if they have any credential to refuse their absolutist views… a woman criticising this is seen as something particularly heinous that must be nipped in the bud asap, much worse than if a man said the same thing) .

 

[BlueAlpaca]

She is a double PHD in economics

Trust the Science! We're Experts.

 

[STARSBarry]

Oh for..

Guardian readers nominate their person of the year

From the frontline of Covid to inspirational sports personalities, our worldwide audience name their choices

www.theguardian.com

It wasent a poll it was a nomination form, as in you nominated someone and it sent an automated email out, there was no "tallied results" visible on the page.

Thats the article written based on the readers submissions.

It even includes Rowling.... hell it mentions her in the starting paragraph which is more than most of the list.

Taken from the original submission site.

"Share your choice
You can get in touch by filling in the form below. Your responses are secure as the form is encrypted and only the Guardian has access to your contributions. One of our journalists will be in contact before we publish, so please do leave contact details."

Tell us: who is your 2021 person of the year?

Time Magazine chose billionaire Tesla boss Elon Musk – but who would be your choice?

web.archive.org

Read it yourself (used an archived link from when it went live to show they didn't edit it later)

Does that sound like a poll?

Here is an archived link of the form

Person of the Year 2021 - Formstack

web.archive.org

Like come on people.... please just come on.

Admittedly the article didn't go live until after the closure was reported, but it's pretty clear it was never a "poll". Which is like saying you need to have the prize draw the second submissions have stopped.

 

[Tams]

Oh for..

Guardian readers nominate their person of the year

From the frontline of Covid to inspirational sports personalities, our worldwide audience name their choices

www.theguardian.com

It wasent a poll it was a nomination form, as in you nominated someone and it sent an automated email out, there was no "tallied results" visible on the page.

Thats the article written based on the readers submissions.

It even includes Rowling.... hell it mentions her in the starting paragraph which is more than most of the list.

Taken from the original submission site.

"Share your choice
You can get in touch by filling in the form below. Your responses are secure as the form is encrypted and only the Guardian has access to your contributions. One of our journalists will be in contact before we publish, so please do leave contact details."

Tell us: who is your 2021 person of the year?

Time Magazine chose billionaire Tesla boss Elon Musk – but who would be your choice?

web.archive.org

Read it yourself (used an archived link from when it went live to show they didn't edit it later)

Does that sound like a poll?

Here is an archived link of the form

Person of the Year 2021 - Formstack

web.archive.org

Like come on people.... please just come on.

One very simple reason: they used 'person' and that automatically is assumed that they will choose one person nominated by many people. By then citing the Times Person of the Year (only one person), they then solidified the notion that it was for one person overall (and not one personal preference to be made into a list). Nowhere does it say that they are compiling a list of nominations.

And it was Twitter that ran with that notion first and where all the controversy started.

As journalists, they should have know that it would be misinterpreted (and they could have made it clear they were making a list), but this is The Grauniad we're talking about.

 

[STARSBarry]

One very simple reason: they used 'person' and that automatically is assumed that they will choose one person by many people. By then citing the Times Person of the Year (only one person), they then solidified the notion that it was for one person overall (and not one personal preference to be made into a list). Nowhere does it say that they are compiling a list of nominations.

And it was Twitter that ran with that notion first and where all the controversy started.

As journalists, they should have know that it would be misinterpreted (and they could have made it clear they were making a list), but this is The Grauniad we're talking about.

Then as you said this is a twitter followers issue, one of the easiest things to do with the guardian is click the name of the writer for past articles, this is out under "guardian community team"

Guardian community team | The Guardian

<p>Callouts from the Guardian Community team asking people to share their stories, views and experiences</p>

web.archive.org

You can check there other articles, same form, same way of asking for submissions, same style of resulting article. It's "readers submissions" kind of thing that they can then put in print once they have sifted the responses.

So sadly it seems it was a huge whirlwind by twitter once again by inserting what they want into an already established model and throwing there hands up before the standard "readers say" article even appears.

 

[Tams]

Then as you said this is a twitter followers issue, one of the easiest things to do with the guardian is click the name of the writer for past articles, this is out under "guardian community team"

Guardian community team | The Guardian

<p>Callouts from the Guardian Community team asking people to share their stories, views and experiences</p>

web.archive.org

You can check there other articles, same form, same way of asking for submissions, same style of resulting article. It's "readers submissions" kind of thing that they can then put in print once they have sifted the responses.

So sadly it seems it was a huge whirlwind by twitter once again by inserting what they want into an already established model and throwing there hands up before the standard "readers say" article even appears.

It's not reasonable to expect people to bother doing that though. Like it or not, most people aren't interested into hunting around for stuff like that; they're just there for the dopamine hit.

You can say it's just a click away. But so much is just a click away. Should they be bothered to find out which one? I say no. This could all have been smoothed over by using proper language, which when lacking from a journalistic publication is concerning.

Not that any of this matters and we'll all have forgotten about this in a few months, with it just being chalked up as another Grauniad cock-up by most.