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Grooming gangs 'are abusing girls across the UK', victims and investigators warn

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What in the actual flying fucking hell, U.K.?

Stop this shit.

Stop dancing around it, and end the motherfuckers who do this.
 

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What in the actual flying fucking hell, U.K.?

Stop this shit.

Stop dancing around it, and end the motherfuckers who do this.

It wont end, fam.

The general consensus (especially here in Rotherham) is that the authorities have a fear of being racist and that's affecting any action being done.
 

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In slightly less depressing news related to this

Victims of grooming gangs should be pardoned for crimes they committed under the direction of their abuser, Britain's leading child protection police officer has said.

Simon Bailey, the national police lead for child sexual abuse cases, backed calls for a new law to potentially expunge the criminal records of child grooming victims.

Bailey, who is the chief constable of Norfolk, said: ”We recognise the significant and long-lasting impact that sexual abuse can have on a victim. There are numerous cases where young, impressionable children who have been groomed have committed crimes at the direction of their abuser.

”We would want to explore how Sammy's law could help minimise the impact on these victims' futures."

Sammy Woodhouse on the Rotherham abuse scandal: ‘Girls speaking out has changed things'

The campaign for a ”Sammy's law" is being led by Sammy Woodhouse, who was abused by a gang in Rotherham, and has been supported by a number of police chiefs, child protection experts and MPs.

Vera Baird QC, the lead police and crime commissioner for victims, urged the Law Commission to begin an urgent review about how a Sammy's law would work in practice.

Baird, a former barrister, justice minister and government secretary general, told the Guardian: ”It is obviously correct that if someone's will is overborne by coercion, and factors that work to undermine people's willpower and their individuality when they are sexually abused, then clearly they're not personally guilty of what they have done.

”They had, in a sense, no choice. It's almost like a gun to the head. They have to do what the person tells them; they know no other way. They are quite enslaved. That is a clear principle: you shouldn't be responsible for something that you couldn't not do because of the position you were in."

She added: ”This injustice is now obvious and it needs speedy action. This needs to be an urgent intervention, in my view, because people need to rebuild their lives.

”We've improved confidence so victims will come out; the next step is making sure they're not disadvantaged by having come out and spoken."

Woodhouse, who has waived her right to anonymity, described in a letter to the home secretary, Amber Rudd, how she was coerced into committing crime when she was 14 years old.

She said the crimes she committed while being groomed were still brought up at job interviews, forcing her to talk about her abuse ordeal. ”For people like me, who were prosecuted as exploited children, we now have to disclose our abuse at job interviews to explain our criminal records," Woodhouse said.

”This is extremely upsetting for victims and survivors – and a constant reminder of our past when we are simply trying to move forward and have a future. More often than not it prevents us from becoming employed to help rebuild our lives."

More @ https://www.theguardian.com/society...ming-cases-pardon-crimes-national-police-lead

Another reason why some most likely stay anonymous. Hopefully, if it can be logistically greenlit, it comes about.
 

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It wont end, fam.

The general consensus (especially here in Rotherham) is that the authorities have a fear of being racist and that's affecting any action being done.

Insane how so many people suffer so that a few can avoid perception . And of something that has a basis, statistically.
 

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genes? Let's also figure out who has the rapist genes, and the murderer genes, and thief genes

I mean, this isn't only happening in the UK. You have loverboys in the NL and so on. But nowhere has this been so widespread and have there been so many cases as in Britain. I'm frankly speechless that this has reached an almost epidemic level

Classism is especially more widespread in the UK than most Western countries. The TV and media is full of programmes and articles making fun of and exploiting working class people and that just feeds in to the already built-up stigmata of poorer people.
 
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Absolutely disgusting. Screw political correctness and deal with the problem. Children should not be going through this nonsense. I don't care what side you're on, left, right, up, down, all around, when crap like this is going on and spreading, Something needs to be done. If helping children is somehow racist, then humanity has failed.

Of course, the government will probably brush it under the carpet and add it to the list of other UK problems that they pretend dont exist. Acid attacks, extremist, grooming, etc, etc.

I really hope the victims can fully recover and have a normal life.
 

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Insane how so many people suffer so that a few can avoid perception . And of something that has a basis, statistically.

A lot of it can be chocked up to "zero tolerance society" that is always ready to be outraged without examining context combined with systems that will use cases like this as excuses to infringe on civil rights.

If you order the arrest of a dozen Muslim men in your town because they abuse kids, that doesn't make you a racist. If you then use the crimes of those men to justify profiling other Muslim men, that does make you a racist. What's dangerous is how often and easily these lines become blurred, both for pro and anti law enforcement groups.

It's immensely complex, and the solution requires levels of trust, decency and professionalism that are uncommon in the modern world.
 

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Insane how so many people suffer so that a few can avoid perception . And of something that has a basis, statistically.

Explain. Are you saying only a small portion of minorities suffer from racist violence and discrimination? Because thats what that perception promotes. Innocent muslims are being killed due to the toxic-right, reducing it to ethnicity is an over simplification that will only empower them, it'll create more victims, greater division and fortify extemist views against the majority. We dont want our British muslim kids growing up in such a toxic environment. We dont want them to build a perception that wider society is against them, over something they've never been apart of, becuase you know who DOES want them. The communities where these monsters are from also suffered and called upon authorities to help, its there in the Rotheram report, labeling them as implicit due to race isnt helpful. It only serves to take attention away from the criminals, and obstruct engagement of communities to help these children.
 

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Explain. Are you saying only a small portion of minorities suffer from racist violence and discrimination? Because thats what that perception promotes. Innocent muslims are being killed due to the toxic-right, reducing it to ethnicity is an over simplification that will only empower them, it'll create more victims, greater division and fortify extemist views against the majority. The communities where these monsters are from also suffered and called upon authorities to help, its there in the Rotheram report, labeling them as implicit due to race isnt helpful. It only serves to take attention away from the criminals, and obstruct engagement of communities.

The issue here isn't how the people you refer to behave (far right or whoever, 'ignore' them for now and focus on the crimes/victims). It's how fellow lefties behave around situations like this. I'm partly surprised we have hit 3 pages in here as it is. The major issues in the reports with the left are how people who see themselves as being in positions to help cower in fear to respond properly. A lot of posters on GAF are incredibly sarcastic around anyone not wanting to be called racist or bigoted. I tried to illustrate earlier how in a social media world, if your name gets associated with something like racism or bigotry, you are fucked. Good luck defending yourself even if you have a case to be heard. People scorch the earth with others ashes when it comes to getting on board a good hunt to show how progressive they are dismantling someone with a target on their back.

Yes, many people deserve the condemnation and ire they face, but what I'm saying is others take note of how ruthless and organised activists and mobs of people can be to go after others. Fear and hysteria then takes over some, as people are humans and suffering from anxiety, apprehension or fear is part of the human condition. People fear being labelled and ostracised and it's for understandable reasons when the internet exists. Although, for police officers and those in councils, tough, you should be prosecuted for breaking any oaths you made to the public. Saying you were scared of being called names, or public/community backlash just doesn't excuse such abuse of your power (inaction). Joe Blogs worried about being piled on, on Twitter or FB for merely saying these grooming gangs are worrying is one thing (you're as bad as Tommy Robinson for commenting on this!!!). Sometimes people just keep their feelings private not to have to put up with overzealous family or friends, or randoms coming out of nowhere and shouting at them. The police ignoring cries for help or reports of abuse is another thing. As I said, investigations and prosecution should follow for police, politicians or councillors who are proven to have ignored/deflected/let down victims. Some of the scales of negligence here are unforgivable.

Why don't more people on the left talk about these epidemics? I've asked that multiple times now. We're supposed to have most of the self declared feminists, activists and moral individuals? Where do they all go around an issue with widespread abuse and raping of girls or teenagers as this? Why do so many find it easy to post about racist adverts, or dumb asshole YouTubers saying dumb shit or going after a bigoted right winger? Then silence on more complex/serious issues? Again, no one can compel anyone to speak on something, but I'm not even just talking about GAF. Check social media. It's largely ALWAYS the right talking about grooming gangs in the UK. I'm getting so personally frustrated with this. It plays into why the left is partially crumbling as a political force to be reckoned with and actually win elections. These girls belong to families. If you are a father imagine it being your daughter. This is how outsiders end up feeling anger and sympathy for the victims, which the right notices and then appears to be the "only" people responding to grooming gangs/offering outrage. It's really really really not difficult to understand why vocal outspoken right-wing voices on social media get such large followings. Other than anyone just wanting to say "everyone is racist!". It's how the right is slowly working to rebrand itself as the voice that the left is too scared to be. I'm not talking about the complete looney tunes shit from the right, but in situations like this where right-wing speakers end up garnering attention and influence by appearing to care about thousands of girls being raped. Why wouldn't anyone care about that for fuck sake? It's downright appalling as a statistic alone.

The politicians on the left are no doubt as apprehensive as the councillors who didn't want to appear to upset voting bases or minorities openly saying there is worrying statistical trends with Asian men being disproportionately involved in these gangs. Even just saying we need to investigate/speak to the communities and try and find out why these men are not being stopped sooner. The left in general makes plenty of topics talking about understanding why white men are joining the alt-right, but a council is too scared to try and engage with local communities and find out what is happening to see female victims mount up on mass? Find me the large left-wing politicians or activists on Twitter who'll even comment on this? Can you even find me celebrities who'll talk about this to show how progressive and concerned they are? Everyone knows celebrities usually like to jump on issues where women are being oppressed or abused. Not that I have any problems with that when it leads to awareness and change. But why can't they seem to help out here?
 

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The issue here isn't how the people you refer to behave (far right or whoever). It's how fellow lefties behave around situations like this. I'm partly surprised we have hit 3 pages in here as it is. The major issues in the reports with the left are how people who see themselves as being in positions to help cower in fear to respond properly. A lot of posters on GAF are incredibly sarcastic around anyone not wanting to be called racist or bigoted. I tried to illustrate earlier how in a social media world, if your name gets associated with something like racism or bigotry, you are fucked. Good luck defending yourself even if you have a case to be heard. People scorch the earth with others ashes when it comes to getting on board a good hunt to show how progressive they are dismantling someone with a target on their back.

Yes, many people deserve the condemnation and ire they face, but what I'm saying is others take note of how ruthless and organised activists and mobs of people can be to go after others. Fear and hysteria then takes over some, as people are humans and suffering from anxiety, apprehension or fear is part of the human condition. Why don't more people on the left talk about these epidemics? I've asked that multiple times now. We're supposed to have most of the self declared feminists, activists and moral individuals? Where do they all go around an issue with widespread abuse and raping of girls or teenagers as this? Why do so many find it easy to post about racist adverts, or dumb asshole YouTubers saying dumb shit or going after a bigoted right winger? Then silence on more complex/serious issues? Again, no one can compel anyone to speak on something, but I'm not even just talking about GAF. Check social media. It's largely ALWAYS the right talking about grooming gangs in the UK. I'm getting so personally frustrated with this. It plays into why the left is partially crumbling as a political force to be reckoned with and actually win elections.

The politicians on the left are no doubt as apprehensive as the councillors who didn't want to appear to upset voting bases or minorities openly saying there is worrying statistical trends with Asian men being disproportionately involved in these gangs. Find me the large left-wing politicians or activists on Twitter who'll even comment on this?

And this is why social media is cancer. It is quite literally the worst thing to come out of the internet.
 

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I'm sorry but this isn't some sugar daddy epidemic. You might as well say the Catholic church is just boys looking up to their religious fathers for guidance when they "let them" molest and abuse them.

I think I reacted pretty tamely to a post suggesting the real thing to be concerned about here is undereducated or underprivileged females throwing themselves to be raped to earn a few thousand pounds.

Where is all the supposed money these victims are getting anyway? I don't tend to hear many get rich quick schemes from getting raped. Remember the post you refer to said this



Said in a topic with evidence of all the convictions, abuse, preying behaviour and all the girls and teenagers who cried out for help and got ignored. So, yeah, sorry if I don't think "financial incentives" are the real takeaway here.

I'm actually a bit surprised more people didn't catch that post and think what the hell? We're not talking about individuals selling some dodgy film/game DVDs at a car boot sale to earn some extra £. That post is implying out of all the thousands of victims, apparently, there is an underlying rise in "rape me/abuse me please" girls and teenagers going around to get some money. I'd like to see the evidence of that, thanks. Pretty disgusting claim to make in a topic like this without any evidence whatsoever, and therefore I do feel comfortable suggesting it was potentially victim blaming.

A young child giving consent after grooming is not actual consent and talking about the reasons is not victim blaming far from it.

I think your attitude is far worse. It falls into stranger danger for rapists territory when it is usually someone you know.

We had an actual victim come talk to us.

She told as how she grew up poor and in a bad neighbourhood.

She met her boyfriend who was sweet and gave her expensive gifts.

He was older and she was 15 so her mum got annoyed and warned her.

But being 15 she ignored her mum and it gave the loverboy a way to isolate her more.

The first time she slept with a client was after he came to her crying. He had lost his boss his money and they would kill him if he didn't find a way to pay him back.

But luckily his boss fancied her. Maybe she could just sleep with him once. He cried and he begged and he reminded her off all the expensive gifts.

To help her cope he gave her drugs.

Soon the request came more often and she was pretty addicted. When she started to refuse he would hit her.

He got on in into her life because he preyed in her financial situation and on teenage loneliness.

Accepting this makes it easier for us to educate people and helping the victims afterwards. I didn't see her as anything but a victim and I don't think anyone should.

A lot of the people abused in the church also thought they consented. That is the power of grooming.
 

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A young child giving consent after grooming is not actual consent and talking about the reasons is not victim blaming far from it.

I think your attitude is far worse. It falls into stranger danger for rapists territory when it is usually someone you know.

We had an actual victim come talk to us.

She told as how she grew up poor and in a bad neighbourhood.

She met her boyfriend who was sweet and gave her expensive gifts.

He was older and she was 15 so her mum got annoyed and warned her.

But being 15 she ignored her mum and it gave the loverboy a way to isolate her more.

The first time she slept with a client was after he came to her crying. He had lost his boss his money and they would kill him if he didn't find a way to pay him back.

But luckily his boss fancied her. Maybe she could just sleep with him once. He cried and he begged and he reminded her off all the expensive gifts.

To help her cope he gave her drugs.

Soon the request came more often and she was pretty addicted. When she started to refuse he would hit her.

He got on in into her life because he preyed in her financial situation and on teenage loneliness.

Accepting this makes it easier for us to educate people and helping the victims afterwards. I didn't see her as anything but a victim and I don't think anyone should.

A lot of the people abused in the church also thought they consented. That is the power of grooming.

I'm sorry, but this topic is to do with lots of men who have either been jailed, are currently arrested or are under investigation for proven grooming, rape, conspiracy to rape, trafficking, plying with drugs and have victim counts in the 100s if not 1000s. It also involves police institutions which have had to apologise, as well as councils and the Government admitting fault of not doing their job correctly. It also involves independent investigations done to find out why there was malpractice and so many victims not helped. Notice how many of these cities/towns end up with "Operation X". X being the name like Operation Sanctuary, Operation Dalesway, etc. Do you know what wasn't discovered in any of the reports either? That claim of "some girls were doing this in order to get thousands of pounds of compensation".

This isn't some personal anecdote like the one you have shared of an individual case. It's got nothing to do with a boss in work. I understand there is a conversation to be had on grooming and paedophilia, in general, but organised grooming gangs are their own issue.
 

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A lot of it can be chocked up to "zero tolerance society" that is always ready to be outraged without examining context combined with systems that will use cases like this as excuses to infringe on civil rights.

If you order the arrest of a dozen Muslim men in your town because they abuse kids, that doesn't make you a racist. If you then use the crimes of those men to justify profiling other Muslim men, that does make you a racist. What's dangerous is how often and easily these lines become blurred, both for pro and anti law enforcement groups.

It's immensely complex, and the solution requires levels of trust, decency and professionalism that are uncommon in the modern world.

Which is why I don't see an end to this. Or at least one that won't potentially create a new problem.
 

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I don't believe the authorities haven't done their jobs for fear of appearing to be racist. I think it is far more probable that they haven't done their jobs because of who would be implicated in these disgusting crimes.

Though that's not to say we need to have discussions as a society in terms of culture, religion and sex. Child abuse and misogyny are rampant and widespread and far too little is done about it - especially under a Tory government that believes deep cuts to public expenditure amount to sound economic strategy.

I find it very hard to believe the police care so much about not being called racists, they're complicit in massive rape and pedophelia operations.
 

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I find it very hard to believe the police care so much about not being called racists, they're complicit in massive rape and pedophelia operations.

It's such a stupid excuse that people actually believe. The police and authorities do not give a fuck about being called racist. It's a way for them to put the blame on 'PC Culture' and it has worked.

This has happened in poor white communities in the UK for years. And the police have ignored it for years. Turning the discussion into a race war has helped them avoid blame for being useless cunts that do not care about poor people.
 

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The issue here isn't how the people you refer to behave (far right or whoever, 'ignore' them for now and focus on the crimes/victims). It's how fellow lefties behave around situations like this. I'm partly surprised we have hit 3 pages in here as it is. The major issues in the reports with the left are how people who see themselves as being in positions to help cower in fear to respond properly. A lot of posters on GAF are incredibly sarcastic around anyone not wanting to be called racist or bigoted. I tried to illustrate earlier how in a social media world, if your name gets associated with something like racism or bigotry, you are fucked. Good luck defending yourself even if you have a case to be heard. People scorch the earth with others ashes when it comes to getting on board a good hunt to show how progressive they are dismantling someone with a target on their back.

Yes, many people deserve the condemnation and ire they face, but what I'm saying is others take note of how ruthless and organised activists and mobs of people can be to go after others. Fear and hysteria then takes over some, as people are humans and suffering from anxiety, apprehension or fear is part of the human condition. People fear being labelled and ostracised and it's for understandable reasons when the internet exists. Although, for police officers and those in councils, tough, you should be prosecuted for breaking any oaths you made to the public. Saying you were scared of being called names, or public/community backlash just doesn't excuse such abuse of your power (inaction). Joe Blogs worried about being piled on, on Twitter or FB for merely saying these grooming gangs are worrying is one thing (you're as bad as Tommy Robinson for commenting on this!!!). Sometimes people just keep their feelings private not to have to put up with overzealous family or friends, or randoms coming out of nowhere and shouting at them. The police ignoring cries for help or reports of abuse is another thing. As I said, investigations and prosecution should follow for police, politicians or councillors who are proven to have ignored/deflected/let down victims. Some of the scales of negligence here are unforgivable.

Why don't more people on the left talk about these epidemics? I've asked that multiple times now. We're supposed to have most of the self declared feminists, activists and moral individuals? Where do they all go around an issue with widespread abuse and raping of girls or teenagers as this? Why do so many find it easy to post about racist adverts, or dumb asshole YouTubers saying dumb shit or going after a bigoted right winger? Then silence on more complex/serious issues? Again, no one can compel anyone to speak on something, but I'm not even just talking about GAF. Check social media. It's largely ALWAYS the right talking about grooming gangs in the UK. I'm getting so personally frustrated with this. It plays into why the left is partially crumbling as a political force to be reckoned with and actually win elections. These girls belong to families. If you are a father imagine it being your daughter. This is how outsiders end up feeling anger and sympathy for the victims, which the right notices and then appears to be the "only" people responding to grooming gangs/offering outrage. It's really really really not difficult to understand why vocal outspoken right-wing voices on social media get such large followings. Other than anyone just wanting to say "everyone is racist!". It's how the right is slowly working to rebrand itself as the voice that the left is too scared to be. I'm not talking about the complete looney tunes shit from the right, but in situations like this where right-wing speakers end up garnering attention and influence by appearing to care about thousands of girls being raped. Why wouldn't anyone care about that for fuck sake? It's downright appalling as a statistic alone.

The politicians on the left are no doubt as apprehensive as the councillors who didn't want to appear to upset voting bases or minorities openly saying there is worrying statistical trends with Asian men being disproportionately involved in these gangs. Even just saying we need to investigate/speak to the communities and try and find out why these men are not being stopped sooner. The left in general makes plenty of topics talking about understanding why white men are joining the alt-right, but a council is too scared to try and engage with local communities and find out what is happening to see female victims mount up on mass? Find me the large left-wing politicians or activists on Twitter who'll even comment on this? Can you even find me celebrities who'll talk about this to show how progressive and concerned they are? Everyone knows celebrities usually like to jump on issues where women are being oppressed or abused. Not that I have any problems with that when it leads to awareness and change. But why can't they seem to help out here?

Really sums up a lot of my thoughts regarding the British Left's distinct lack of outrage in response to this matter. I've got my own ideas as to why I think they tend to be less vocal or just straight-up silent, but I don't want to risk copping a ban.
 

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Recently learned about this on a Sam Harris podcast. I was surprised I hadn't heard of it before.
 

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The degree to which people are looking for some liberal conspriracy as to why fewer people comment on stories like this is laughable.
The issue of a large number of gangs targeting girls in poverty where the perpetrators tend to be a specific race and those is power seem to ignore the problem is clearly more complex than some dumb fuck YouTuber turning out to be an alt-right asshole, so of course fewer people are going to enter a debate about it. That doesn’t mean people don’t care, but what do you really want them to say? What are the actually words you are waiting to hear from people that’ll satisfy you?
Audioboxer is forever going to flood these threads with his walls of text and links to articles from his “bad Muslim dossier” and his criticisms of the left, but it’s never actually clear
to me what he expects as a reasonable response.
“Outrage” being a bar for reasonable response to an issue. Lol. Transparent as fuck.
 

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The degree to which people are looking for some liberal conspriracy as to why fewer people comment on stories like this is laughable.
The issue of a large number of gangs targeting girls in poverty where the perpetrators tend to be a specific race and those is power seem to ignore the problem is clearly more complex than some dumb fuck YouTuber turning out to be an alt-right asshole, so of course fewer people are going to enter a debate about it. That doesn't mean people don't care, but what do you really want them to say? What are the actually words you are waiting to hear from people that'll satisfy you?
Audioboxer is forever going to flood these threads with his walls of text and links to articles from his ”bad Muslim dossier" and his criticisms of the left, but it's never actually clear
to me what he expects as a reasonable response.
”Outrage" being a bar for reasonable response to an issue. Lol. Transparent as fuck.

Audioboxer does make other claims is, in your words: 'liberal conspiracy [for] low comment on stories..' your only problem with his 'wall of text'?
 

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The degree to which people are looking for some liberal conspriracy as to why fewer people comment on stories like this is laughable.
The issue of a large number of gangs targeting girls in poverty where the perpetrators tend to be a specific race and those is power seem to ignore the problem is clearly more complex than some dumb fuck YouTuber turning out to be an alt-right asshole, so of course fewer people are going to enter a debate about it. That doesn’t mean people don’t care, but what do you really want them to say? What are the actually words you are waiting to hear from people that’ll satisfy you?
Audioboxer is forever going to flood these threads with his walls of text and links to articles from his “bad Muslim dossier” and his criticisms of the left, but it’s never actually clear
to me what he expects as a reasonable response.
“Outrage” being a bar for reasonable response to an issue. Lol. Transparent as fuck.

Incredibly disappointing this is an inevitable response I expected to see. It also seems to be a buzzword, or maybe I should say buzzphrase to see "transparent as fuck" these days. It's like some sort of signal flare set off to highlight to others "I think this person is a bad person, I can read their mind, beware". After reading what I posted if you can't see the irony in what you threw my way I think that speaks for itself. This is precisely the kind of gasoline throwing that goes on that makes people afraid to simply speak. I haven't even mentioned the word Muslim. I simply referred to the men as Asian. Ironically, the politically correct way in the UK to distinguish the men. Asian or Asian-British. Not, Muslims. That's what you want people to say so you can throw things around in jest such as your "bad Muslim dossier", and again, make people fearful to speak in worry of you or someone else calling them racist, or implying it with these keyphrases or coded language. Out of interest, for what it's worth, did you have an issue with me talking about Catholic priests earlier?

As for what I would like to see. Simply more people talking about this, asking questions and showing some more concern. Are you not outraged there is over 10 wiki links in the first post to child/teenager grooming scandals? Or is your primary/secondary concern with the optics of this topic existing and people being made aware? If a large enough collective of people even appeared as outraged about this as they do other things maybe more pressure would be felt on the police, Government and those in places of power. Yes, it's primarily their fault, but the public need to create noise, question and debate to hold them accountable and let each other know the failings. I'm still waiting to find any prominent left-wing speakers writing their blogs/tweets about these scandals, or some celebrities lending the public a hand to use their platform to share their outrage around girls and teenagers being let down on mass. It's not a liberal conspiracy theory, it's a fact this side is far too quiet on these scandals. Are you happy with the current level of public discourse and debate around the grooming gangs in the UK? Are you happy and content with it often being the right wing who talks about it and takes over the public discourse? At least the BBC appears to have ran a few documentaries this year, but public discourse is still far too quiet. Bradford looks like it's on the cusp of having its own wiki link to add to the rest. There's already victims, arrests and they have their Operation undergoing as we speak.

I should say, to make it clear by me saying "outrage", I'm not talking about some stupid internet meme/definition of the word. The actual meaning

arouse fierce anger, shock, or indignation in (someone).

When used seriously and not as internet satire the word still has strong meaning to me.

Here is another editorial worth reading, seems to be have done around the documentary Three Girls

Reading the publicity on the three-part TV drama, Three Girls, based on the true story of the teenage victims of organised child abusers in Rochdale, I am reminded not just of the bravery and tenacity of those involved in exposing the levels of organised child abuse in the UK, but also of the cowards and the deniers who for so long refused to accept the harm being done to children by violent exploiters.

Well over a decade ago I was interviewing these “deniers”, and being fobbed off by social workers, police officers, and some newspaper editors who refused to accept the scale of the abuse I and other campaigners (including the mothers of some of the victims) had uncovered.

Many years before the award-winning journalist Andrew Norfolk wrote his first piece about the grooming gangs in northern towns in England, I was investigating this phenomenon. But despite the quality of material I had amassed, it took me until 2007 to get my first piece published because some editors feared an accusation of racism. In this particular geographical area, many of the members of grooming gangs were of Pakistani origin. As a feminist who has always gone after the men who abuse women and girls, whichever social class or ethnic group they belong to, I was concerned that the story would only be told by racists. The British National Party (BNP) had been already been claiming that nasty Muslim “paedophiles” were preying on innocent white girls.

What I also discovered was that the police and social services appeared to be scared of intervening in these particular grooming gangs, because a large number of the men involved were of Pakistani Muslim origin. The professionals who were turning a blind eye did not want to be labelled as racist, and did not understand that all they had to do was make it clear that the majority of child sexual abusers and pimps in the UK are white men, and that they were abusing children because they were child abusers, not because they were from a particular ethnicity or religion.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...tion-rochdale-blackpool-pimping-a7739006.html