sankt-Antonio
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This is going to be another GoW, ps4 uprezed, ps5 game, isn't it.
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Gran Turismo 7 to only support Ray tracing in Replays
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Calverz
Member
They will be if they are ray traced. That’s my prediction.
sainraja
Member
You could still be right but I think you are a little to quick to say they were being coy when they hadn't really talked about GT7. As for the cross gen and believe in generation comments, those were just magnified by passionate fans from both sides when every generation before there have been games available on both previous and new gen consoles — the shift may have been faster in the past but many other factors were also different (e.g. system differences and COVID's impact on finances/workflow etc.) Microsoft worked on making sure game compatibility was seamless across their consoles and just wanted to highlight that but passionate fans are well, you know, you don't know how or what they will do with that info.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Gold Member
You know what I forgot about all this but you're right, the GT7 reveal trailer practically flaunted RT including in some spots that looked like were gameplay. So everyone just assumed it had ray-tracing in-game and considering it's a track-based racer didn't seem was a stretch.
Apparently it was a pretty big stretch after all.
assurdum
Banned
The thing which really annoyed me they deceived their fans intentionally. They just show the game when featured raytracing and barely in gameplay. Such behaviour hurts my nerve. Why they did it? Good hell how stupid can be the PR marketing. They forget how deleterious is sell "fake" graphic stuff, it's a fucking boomerang.
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f1 2021, pc has RT in gameplay while consoles are only using RT Reflections during cutscenes/none gameplay parts like gt7 by the look although it does seem to use rt shadows during gameplay.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
I told y'all not to trust the initial Sony PS5 presentation particularly after it came out that Kena was partly pre-rendered cut scenes.
Not that games aren't going to look amazing, but we have no reason to believe everything was real time on PS5 as Sony was clearly liberally using the concept of "running on a PS5."
When Sony says something is running on PS5, that includes pre-rendered video, so if it's not 100% clearly gameplay, it's anyone's guess whether it's actually being rendered in real time.
(I know replay modes are real time, but my point still stands lol)
Not that games aren't going to look amazing, but we have no reason to believe everything was real time on PS5 as Sony was clearly liberally using the concept of "running on a PS5."
When Sony says something is running on PS5, that includes pre-rendered video, so if it's not 100% clearly gameplay, it's anyone's guess whether it's actually being rendered in real time.
(I know replay modes are real time, but my point still stands lol)
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RoboFu
One of the green rats
Rt is much more that just reflections. It does wonders for lighting and shadows. Two areas that keep both GT and FZ from really making graphical leaps.
Little Chicken
Member
The thing is though that nobody is going to notice the missing RT while they're playing, so this doesn't really matter. What little of the RT they have shown us was blurry and low res, so perhaps this is a blessing in disguise. Game looks fine without it.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Good, they have their priorities straight.
Strider Highwind
Banned
Just like I said in defense of Forza, I'll say it here, both games look amazing to me so I don't even care. I'm just ready to play both of them
a multicultural team of v
Member
Ray tracing is so interesting because it is a visual effect we literally have to see ourselves, as in we should be able to make our own determination, yet we only seem to be aware of it's existence when we are told it exists or doesn't exist. If you are shown game footage and only know there wasn't ray tracing because someone told you, maybe we have to question what is the point of ray tracing.
This reminds me of Killzone on the PS4, where multiplayer ran at half the resolution and used interpolation, and nobody realized it for like 4 months until Digital Foundry stumbled upon it during some general analysis they were doing.
This reminds me of Killzone on the PS4, where multiplayer ran at half the resolution and used interpolation, and nobody realized it for like 4 months until Digital Foundry stumbled upon it during some general analysis they were doing.
Hobbygaming
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I'm glad I'm no longer interested in Gran Turismo 7 after the news of it requiring a internet connection to do anything
twilo99
Member
1440p seems to be swept under the rug like it doesn't exist..
Space Runaway
Member
Disappointing. Though a GT with almost no load times is still very enticing to me. Unless they mess that up too. =P
Phunkydiabetic
Banned
Idk man I just want to see full car to car reflections in a racer one day. Now our next hopes are on the Forza reboot... I don't care if the reflections are 720p or whatever concession they think off, this is open world on a last gen engine and it brought so much out visually
This just looks ridiculous though. Completely unrealistic and seems to be there just for the sake of lol raytracing. I'm more interesting in ray traced global illumination.
ManaByte
Gold Member
A lot of people did, yes.
lem0n
Member
If it were a PC title I'd be upset at this news as well.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
GT has always prioritized resolution and framerate I suppose, and RT would significantly limit one or the other. But yeah, they should ask Insomniac how they did 1440p60 with RT for people who want that. Native 4K is nice, but a bit of a waste.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Wanna bet they dont even use RT reflections and instead us RT for something like Shadows/AO.
I would love for them to use RT for GI but that might be wishful thinking.
RT reflections with a bunch of cars on track.....not at any reasonable level I dont think.
I assume people used basic logic. They showed a trailer with raytracing (now we know it's RT in replays). We have Spiderman where there is fast web slinging in a open world that's also a cross gen game.
Klik
Member
If we don't get full PSVR 2 support in GT7 (online/single player) then its time to move to PC. VR for simracing is a gamechanger
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Technically you can still play it offline. Arcade mode that has no saved data.
kyliethicc
Member
"Catch sight of the driver in your rear-view mirror, watch the sun glint against the curves of your car’s body, and take stunningly realistic photos with the power of ray tracing on PS5™"
www.playstation.com
Sounds like its also being used for mirrors.
Gran Turismo 7 - Exclusive PS5 & PS4 Games | PlayStation
Gran Turismo™ 7 brings you the best features from the history of the franchise. Find your line.
www.playstation.com
Sounds like its also being used for mirrors.
Typical Sony marketing. Not quite lying but deceptive marketing that makes Sony fans believe a certain thing about playstation and doesn't correct folks views on the marketing until much much later has been Sony's Mo since the start of this gen.
I always thought Kena's original trailer was pre-rendered cut scenes so it wasn't that shocking when I saw gameplay of it. I was only shocked at how simple the world and gameplay was.
Pretty much anything Sony says this gen has to be viewed as what it always should have been and that was positive spin pr or simply marketing. Everything is bent to look as good as possible and all negative news gets put off as long as possible so they can ride the positive press reports.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Not to mention the fact that FH5 is pushing next gen foliage and environmental detail all the while being open world which is far more taxing than a circuit based racer. I have said this in jest, I have said this in anger, but it's become increasingly clear that PD has lost it and Sony closed the wrong racing studio.YIKES. So just like FH5.
It just makes FH 5 look that much more impressive in-game even w/ having to push an open world.
Imagine what Forza Motorsports 8 will look like next year
I miss the days of PD actually pushing graphical boundaries. They've become increasingly lazy as each gen goes on.
009EspadaSageJay
Member
Not surprised Ps5 doesnt have 1440p so thats out the window Ps5 doesnt have VRR so 120 fps mode is off the table and most people that play racing games dont want frame drops and random frame spikes. And sony's current line up of tvs dont have 1440p or VRR so the ps5 wont get it until there tvs do thats how sony has always been. This game is also coming to ps4 and its going to connect the ps4 and ps5 for online cross play im fine with that since GT7 is pretty much a continuation from sport Ray tracing was never stated DF did the rewind look at GT7 and they brought up raytracing kaz said nothing about ray tracing being used in either of the game play trailers or trailers.
prinz_valium
Member
Yeah Horizon 5 won't have it in gameplay either.
Motorsport 8 will, but they needed to revamp their engine for it.
Portugeezer
Member
Polyphony used to be tech kings. 4k 60 is great and all but no lower res option with RT is surprising considering what we have seen from Insomniac. That said, they had to tell us for us to know, wasn't obvious from gameplay apparently.
JerryinSoCal
Member
Weren't the DF guys saying it was using RT on the cars in the first video? guess they were mistaken.
Digity
Member
Simply lookin at sales will tell you they made the right choice.
Salty Popsicle
Banned
Yep. Not to mention Playground Games (Forza Horizon devs) stated the fact about RT being available only in photo mode in their very first deep-dive video from a few months ago to be as transparent to fans as possible. Meanwhile, Polyphony has been marketing GT7 for nearly two years and we only just now learned the truth about their RT implementation by translating an interview for a small gaming media outlet. Sony and their first-party studios have not been forthcoming to fans since Jim Ryan took over.
ZywyPL
Banned
Wonder if it was planned from start or the consequence of the decision to port the game on PS4 as well?
Anyway, remember when Kaz was talking about the performance in an interview? That 8K might be too much, and it's better to stay at 4K but boost FPS to 120 or even 240 instead? Now turns out they're "targeting" the ordinary 4K60, so probably end up with the usual 1440p60+CBR from PS4Pro...
The game will look great anyway, but I'm slowly starting to believe it'll be just a GT:S with a proper career mode, so something we should got years ago akready on PS4 :/
Anyway, remember when Kaz was talking about the performance in an interview? That 8K might be too much, and it's better to stay at 4K but boost FPS to 120 or even 240 instead? Now turns out they're "targeting" the ordinary 4K60, so probably end up with the usual 1440p60+CBR from PS4Pro...
The game will look great anyway, but I'm slowly starting to believe it'll be just a GT:S with a proper career mode, so something we should got years ago akready on PS4 :/
It probably was on, now turned off .. that’s marketing..
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I keep seeing this get repeated in the thread, and yet the trailer shows a massive gulp in visual fidelity between the replay scenes with RT and gameplay scenes without RT. It's a generational difference.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
Realtime RT in a driving game where the reflections of the maybe 6 - 10 cars on the track all have to accurately update their reflections of the game world, all while driving at insane speeds, all while keeping a minimum of 60fps refresh (essential for a driving game), was always going to be a pipe dream.
Outside of the cars, there are very few instances where it makes sense on the tracks and environmental backgrounds which are mostly non-reflective surfaces.
The cars themselves have been "good enough" using SSR and cube-maps for decades now. Racing games have never been the biggest beneficiaries of technology like RT.
Outside of the cars, there are very few instances where it makes sense on the tracks and environmental backgrounds which are mostly non-reflective surfaces.
The cars themselves have been "good enough" using SSR and cube-maps for decades now. Racing games have never been the biggest beneficiaries of technology like RT.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
GT games sell on brand name alone. If Evo was allowed to put GT infront of DriveClub, it wouldve been a huge success like Forza Horizon.
Look at CoD games. They sell every year no matter which studio makes them. If you let Evo take over GT, they would be far more productive. Remember Sony killed Evo because they took 3.5 years to make DriveClub instead of the usual 2 they used to take to make Motorstorm. Well PD took 4 years to make GT Sports without a single player campaign. And then 4.5 years to make a cross gen game without ray tracing? An absolute failure of a studio.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
I keep seeing this get repeated in the thread, and yet the trailer shows a massive gulp in visual fidelity between the replay scenes with RT and gameplay scenes without RT. It's a generational difference.
How do you know that the difference between these is in-game vs RT'd replay?
Digity
Member
They already announced the physics are updated. It isn’t physics that are demanding, it’s graphics. Iracing can run on a potato and has far better physics than GTSport.
Helghan
Member
Why not? It's track racing not open world... I expect the same for the next forza motorsport