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Wait a fucking second... Kokomi can't do a critical hit?

For real?
Youtubers (lol) are already planning on building her with 200% crit rate. Big brain moves there.

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Awww sheeeiiit, we're finally getting pavement and different outdoor flooring for our teapots.



Seems like a lot of load for a single square of pavement though....
 
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Do we know her multipliers already ?

Stuff like this tends to be giga broken or giga trash on gatchas from my experience since devs rarely hit correct balance
Giga trash. Just a healer. People talk about role compression, like she's Mona X Barbie x Water Boy.

Thing is, out of 3 of them I need only Mona and I already have her.

Maaaaaybe in year 3 we will need such ridiculous skill stacking where we will need basically Geo Lord's C6 level of utility in every on field hero so we will be forced to use 4 Kokomi like swiss knifes but I highly doubt it since GI is a really and I mean really casual friendly game.

It's ain't GirlsFrontline with its crazy skills and under the hood math:

Or FF 14 Online.


I mean I would liked to have a proper mini raid (Division like at least), but I highly doubt that MiHo will go there.

And that's unfortunate IMO.

Or maybe MiHo see the coop fail/success numbers and realize that the % of people who are properly leveling their heroes and know what they are doing is too small for such challenges to make them the standard activity similar to the World Bosses.

Panic Omg GIF
 

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Youtubers (lol) are already planning on building her with 200% crit rate. Big brain moves there.

Double big brain as she needs a weapon for the new weapon banner.

My brother is kinda right...maybe its to take a break from GI. I feel like they are way up to their asses.
 

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Double big brain as she needs a weapon for the new weapon banner.

My brother is kinda right...maybe its to take a break from GI. I feel like they are way up to their asses.
So people in CN servers have her I guess already? And she can crit if you build her out over 100% crit.


What a waste of god tier crit artifacts though, and the rest of her kit has to suffer for that.

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So initial impressions are that she's bad. A worse healer than Barbara, a worse Hydro DPS than Mona/Tart. Her numbers aren't good enough to make up for her -100% crit, and her signature weapon is useless other than on her. People are recommending, like Barbie, to just use Thrilling Tales. People are all kinds of bummed out that she's released her current state.

On the upside, they said that with low expectations, her character quest was decent.
 
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So initial impressions are that she's bad. A worse healer than Barbara, a worse Hydro DPS than Mona/Tart. Her numbers aren't good enough to make up for her -100% crit, and her signature weapon is useless other than on her. People are recommending, like Barbie, to just use Thrilling Tales. People are all kinds of bummed out that she's released her current state.

On the upside, they said that with low expectations, her character quest was decent.

Yikes. Something is really going on inside miHoYo. What a mess.
 

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So initial impressions are that she's bad. A worse healer than Barbara, a worse Hydro DPS than Mona/Tart. Her numbers aren't good enough to make up for her -100% crit, and her signature weapon is useless other than on her.
shocked philip j fry GIF


Give it a couple weeks until the next banner and you'll get videos like "top 10 reasons why everyone was wrong and should pull on Kokomi rerun" lol
 

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shocked philip j fry GIF


Give it a couple weeks until the next banner and you'll get videos like "top 10 reasons why everyone was wrong and should pull on Kokomi rerun" lol
I'm pulling for her regardless, but I like the idea of people getting upset at underperforming characters. I think MHY should take a break during these upcoming rerun banners and do a major balance/character adjustment patch to cover a lot of characters' issues.

Here's my list if they're looking for suggestions:

Qiqi - Give the poor girl some energy particles on her Elemental Skill. Wouldn't hurt to give her a charge attack with a unique function ala Jean too. Maybe reduce enemy speed or prevent enemy healing, something like that.
Amber - make Baron Bunny immovable, make it able to be manually exploded on normal charged attack hit anywhere, not just the feet. either a normal/charged attack % or base atk buff.
Childe - rework his C1 that becomes useless at C6. (This is probably only a me problem)
Xinyan - All of her skills modified by DEF at C6, not just charge attack. Pulsing shield even with 0 enemies hit. With 2 or more enemies hit, Pyro dmg bonus or increase pulse frequency. DEF shred instead of Phys resist shred.
Yoimiya - Fix bow normal attack aiming, make it hit if it's within range just like catalyst. Give her Elemental Skill either a weak/moderate Pyro shield that has 1 charge per spinny firework around her. Each hit removes a charge and prematurely ends the skill, or just give her interruption resistance while her ele skill is up.
Lisa - Turn the repel of her Elemental Burst into a succ
Sara - 10 Seconds for her ATK buff, fix her backdash so it's consistent like Ganyu's, Give her Electro infuse while she has Crowfeather buff (the one you get after using E before you shoot a charge shot). That way players can play her as a buff bot or electro normal attacker DPS. Make her C6 a generic CritDMG buff while under her attack buff, no reason to limit to Electro. This would make those YouTube crit fishers absolutely rock hard.
Beidou - at C6, Elemental Skill cooldown resets on perfect counter. Max it out to once every 20 seconds if that sounds OP or something
Keqing - Kit is fine but she needs Electro fixes/buffs. Electro Charged, Overload, and Superconduct need to damage elemental enemies that are the element of the reaction and have the internal cooldown reduced.
Shogun/Albedo - Elemental skills still do damage to shields and reactions even if they do 0 HP damage.
Albedo/Zhongli/GeoMC - Issues with placement and easy destruction of constructs (certain floors can't have constructs put on them, Albedo's elevator rarely works on uneven ground, bosses fart at a construct and it dies)
Rosaria - Elemental skill should have a short DEF shred on it to encourage phys attacker build instead of just Cryo support
Yanfei - Lower Burst to 40 Energy. Give her a 6 second ATK buff depending on size of her Charge Attack stamp thing, or just change her Elemental Skill into something else. It's super boring right now.
ElectroMC - Give elemental skill a hold/press variant. Press shoots out a single electro ninja star with a very short cooldown. Hold is the same as current version. Both versions give more particles
AnemoMC - Ideally I wish they had Kaz's air jump, but any movement assist skill would be cool. I like that niche that future Anemo characters have carved for themselves.
Aloy - Delete her from the game.
 

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I'm pulling for her regardless, but I like the idea of people getting upset at underperforming characters. I think MHY should take a break during these upcoming rerun banners and do a major balance/character adjustment patch to cover a lot of characters' issues.

Here's my list if they're looking for suggestions:

Qiqi - Give the poor girl some energy particles on her Elemental Skill. Wouldn't hurt to give her a charge attack with a unique function ala Jean too. Maybe reduce enemy speed or prevent enemy healing, something like that.
Amber - make Baron Bunny immovable, make it able to be manually exploded on normal charged attack hit anywhere, not just the feet. either a normal/charged attack % or base atk buff.
Childe - rework his C1 that becomes useless at C6. (This is probably only a me problem)
Xinyan - All of her skills modified by DEF at C6, not just charge attack. Pulsing shield even with 0 enemies hit. With 2 or more enemies hit, Pyro dmg bonus or increase pulse frequency. DEF shred instead of Phys resist shred.
Yoimiya - Fix bow normal attack aiming, make it hit if it's within range just like catalyst. Give her Elemental Skill either a weak/moderate Pyro shield that has 1 charge per spinny firework around her. Each hit removes a charge and prematurely ends the skill, or just give her interruption resistance while her ele skill is up.
Lisa - Turn the repel of her Elemental Burst into a succ
Sara - 10 Seconds for her ATK buff, fix her backdash so it's consistent like Ganyu's, Give her Electro infuse while she has Crowfeather buff (the one you get after using E before you shoot a charge shot). That way players can play her as a buff bot or electro normal attacker DPS. Make her C6 a generic CritDMG buff while under her attack buff, no reason to limit to Electro. This would make those YouTube crit fishers absolutely rock hard.
Beidou - at C6, Elemental Skill cooldown resets on perfect counter. Max it out to once every 20 seconds if that sounds OP or something
Keqing - Kit is fine but she needs Electro fixes/buffs. Electro Charged, Overload, and Superconduct need to damage elemental enemies that are the element of the reaction and have the internal cooldown reduced.
Shogun/Albedo - Elemental skills still do damage to shields and reactions even if they do 0 HP damage.
Albedo/Zhongli/GeoMC - Issues with placement and easy destruction of constructs (certain floors can't have constructs put on them, Albedo's elevator rarely works on uneven ground, bosses fart at a construct and it dies)
Rosaria - Elemental skill should have a short DEF shred on it to encourage phys attacker build instead of just Cryo support
Yanfei - Lower Burst to 40 Energy. Give her a 6 second ATK buff depending on size of her Charge Attack stamp thing, or just change her Elemental Skill into something else. It's super boring right now.
ElectroMC - Give elemental skill a hold/press variant. Press shoots out a single electro ninja star with a very short cooldown. Hold is the same as current version. Both versions give more particles
AnemoMC - Ideally I wish they had Kaz's air jump, but any movement assist skill would be cool. I like that niche that future Anemo characters have carved for themselves.
Aloy - Delete her from the game.
Dat C6 Tart struggles haha
Everything looks pretty reasonable, so we will probably never gonna get anything from it hah

I can't imagine that MiHo is oblivious to what people want, but they're refusing to make such changes.
 
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BTW just tried Kokomi.

Couldn't care less about the actual fight or numbers or anything, really.

But what I IMMEDIATELY noticed is her stockings.

Because of them her legs looked like horse legs." My Little Pony" immediately came to mind. Have no idea why or how lol So yeah... It was a little trippy lmao
 
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Funny that there seems to be a lot of Hu Tao mains, but I still never see them in game.
 

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Funny that there seems to be a lot of Hu Tao mains, but I still never see them in game.

Aloy lmao
Nothing of value was lost.
 
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Funny that there seems to be a lot of Hu Tao mains, but I still never see them in game.
Hu Tao is a MEME board lol

And people who pulled her can't play her properly too She's too complicated to average GI players I think.

But all in all... great chart ngl. I approve. Nice heroes on top and fuck boi "breedable" trap trash Is way down.

Keqing is the true waifu. Useless in actual fight, but so damn kawaii lol

Geo Lord above all is nice to see. Baal is untouchable too.
 

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Keq is a great character and gameplay wise she has a fun kit, just really needs Electro element adjustments. I have no problem with her kit wise.

Hu Tao is built around enmity, no? Enmity playstyles are fun (though Granblue Fantasy is obsessed with it).
 

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Keq is a great character and gameplay wise she has a fun kit, just really needs Electro element adjustments. I have no problem with her kit wise.

Hu Tao is built around enmity, no? Enmity playstyles are fun (though Granblue Fantasy is obsessed with it).
I actually watched some vids once of the "right" way to play Hu Tao. It involves having C6 and R5 Homa, but when you get to that point, you essentially let yourself die, C6 will activate, and then you get 100% crit and (basically) invincible for a short window. So you load up on ONLY ATK and CDMG and can do some absolutely retarded numbers with her. But for like 3000 dollars, I guess you'd better be doing that much. Keep in mind, Homa has never had a banner with the pity mechanic, so whales that reached this level were truly whaling in all senses of the word.

If you don't have her C6, then you have to be a lot more careful with HP and cannot build with 0 Crite Rate, so she's merely in the realm of other strong DPS like Klee/Single Target Yoimiya at that point. 100% a whale character.
 

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I actually watched some vids once of the "right" way to play Hu Tao. It involves having C6 and R5 Homa, but when you get to that point, you essentially let yourself die, C6 will activate, and then you get 100% crit and (basically) invincible for a short window. So you load up on ONLY ATK and CDMG and can do some absolutely retarded numbers with her. But for like 3000 dollars, I guess you'd better be doing that much. Keep in mind, Homa has never had a banner with the pity mechanic, so whales that reached this level were truly whaling in all senses of the word.

If you don't have her C6, then you have to be a lot more careful with HP and cannot build with 0 Crite Rate, so she's merely in the realm of other strong DPS like Klee/Single Target Yoimiya at that point. 100% a whale character.
C6 and R5 Homa bruh. I love how that sounds, but not the money investment behind it lmao. In terms of 5 star Pyro then, would Diluc or Hu Tao be a better option for your standard HQ Pyro character then? I'm in dire need of one and kinda don't want to resort to batman.
 

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Funny that there seems to be a lot of Hu Tao mains, but I still never see them in game.
She was pretty early in game - a lot of those people later moved to other chars most likely
 
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C6 and R5 Homa bruh. I love how that sounds, but not the money investment behind it lmao. In terms of 5 star Pyro then, would Diluc or Hu Tao be a better option for your standard HQ Pyro character then? I'm in dire need of one and kinda don't want to resort to batman.
Klee > Diluc

Diluc is great of you want absolutely brain dead gameplay and he doesn't produce BIG numbers. He's like "my first 5☆" character. Great for 1.0 but that's basically it. I still debating of I should build him. Maybe if he will get some sweet skin. I mean I like his character and I love his weapon type.

BTW I remember how people struggled with his close range attacks during the Ice Mountain release. While my Klee carried me through it despite recently upped Word Level.
 
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Klee > Diluc

Diluc is great of you want absolutely brain dead gameplay and he doesn't produce BIG numbers. He's like "my first 5☆" character. Great for 1.0 but that's basically it. I still debating of I should build him. Maybe if he will get some sweet skin. I mean I like his character and I love his weapon type.

BTW I remember how people struggled with his close range attacks during the Ice Mountain release. While my Klee carried me through it despite recently upped Word Level.
Unfortunately, I don't have a Klee but have Batman's ghost otherwise I'd have gone with her. I just don't want to use him unless necessary or I'll build him up as Pyro character if it makes sense over waiting for someone like Whale Tao or Klee Re-run, etc.
 

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Keq is a great character and gameplay wise she has a fun kit, just really needs Electro element adjustments. I have no problem with her kit wise.

Have Keq too, love her. Shes one of my leads on secondary team.
Though I believe shes not doing much of damage nowadays...maybe I have to rebuild her I dunno.
 
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Have Keq too, love her. Shes one of my leads on secondary team.
Though I believe shes not doing much of damage nowadays...maybe I have to rebuild her I dunno.
I'm rebuilding her with 2pc Glad/2 pc Thundering Fury since my stupid face built her with 4pc Glad, lol. Managed to nab a Goblet with great main and sub stats so her Elec DMG is pretty solid now at least.

I find it funny how she's more the mascot of the game than Paimon.
 

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C6 and R5 Homa bruh. I love how that sounds, but not the money investment behind it lmao. In terms of 5 star Pyro then, would Diluc or Hu Tao be a better option for your standard HQ Pyro character then? I'm in dire need of one and kinda don't want to resort to batman.
If you can give Hu Tao a pocket Zhongli and your Zhongli is built for maximum shielding, then she's probably better than Diluc. Her AoE is a little worse with her normal/charge attacks, but otherwise has better numbers built the same. That said, Diluc is a hassle free unga bunga character that works really well in any Pyro content, his Burst is an amazing waveclear in domains/abyss, and there's no fuckery with managing HP/giving him special gear.

Yanfei is also a good option, though really, really boring. I've seen some incredibly strong Yanfeis, and she has a lot of range advantages like Klee. Her 3 hit combo and an elemental skill that barely has an effect at all though...I dunno if I could play her for more than an hour or two until I fell asleep. She's also really easy to gear with your spare Wanderer's artifacts and a pyro goblet, and the free Klee book from the archipelago event. Basically a zero-investment compared to some other characters.
 
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I'm rebuilding her with 2pc Glad/2 pc Thundering Fury since my stupid face built her with 4pc Glad, lol. Managed to nab a Goblet with great main and sub stats so her Elec DMG is pretty solid now at least.

I find it funny how she's more the mascot of the game than Paimon.
Paimon isn't sexy and kinda annoying I think despite having a kind heart. She's a little kid basically and there's hardly an audience for such characters.

I think Klee and QiQi is way better for that niche and they both are cute without being annoying.

Keqing tho is both sexy and cute. Unfortunately she hits like a wet noodle lol

Yanfei is also a good option, though really, really boring. I've seen some incredibly strong Yanfeis, and she has a lot of range advantages like Klee.
True, true. She's amazing despite being a dork with a non existent character development.

She's also really easy to gear with your spare Wanderer's artifacts and a pyro goblet, and the free Klee book from the archipelago event. Basically a zero-investment compared to some other characters.
Yes, also true. She's strong and easy to build. Not gonna bother tho bc I have Klee obviously.


build him up as Pyro character if it makes sense over waiting for someone like Whale Tao or Klee Re-run, etc.
Wait for 2.2. Hu Tao can get a rerun in the next patch. If not, upgrade Diluc. Klee's rerun seems unlikely. 🤔
 
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Aight thanks guys. I'll think about how whale me feels when a Hu Tao banner comes around since I do have a Zhongli built up somewhat.
Keqing tho is both sexy and cute. Unfortunately she hits like a wet noodle lol
Basically GF material. She even gets all the IRL merch and that's OK with me
 

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I'm rebuilding her with 2pc Glad/2 pc Thundering Fury since my stupid face built her with 4pc Glad, lol. Managed to nab a Goblet with great main and sub stats so her Elec DMG is pretty solid now at least.

I find it funny how she's more the mascot of the game than Paimon.

Used to built 4 glad on her and it was ton of fun. Skill deals damage with elec infusion.
Now I built her with 2 glad and 2 of that artifact that increases atk too. But isn't what I was expecting, maybe the substats aren't helping.
Maybe once I come back playing GI I focus on her again.
 
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GirlsFrontline 2 looks sick, but unfortunately despite Tencent buying 20% of its publisher company, it's not gonna be an open world action RPG. It's still an Xcom like turn based game.



200 people working on it rn out of 400 total in the whole studio.

Its creator said that 800 people were working on Genshin Impact and his studio is planning to expand itself to 800 people too. But he said that he's not interested in going open world without being unique. So I think the dream of 3d open world GFL is officially dead.

Shame. I really liked "Sword Art Online" guns based spin-off. But it played like shit compared to GirlsFrontline or Genshin Impact. Definitely a C tier project.
 

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GirlsFrontline 2 looks sick, but unfortunately despite Tencent buying 20% of its publisher company, it's not gonna be an open world action RPG. It's still an Xcom like turn based game.



200 people working on it rn out of 400 total in the whole studio.

Its creator said that 800 people were working on Genshin Impact and his studio is planning to expand itself to 800 people too. But he said that he's not interested in going open world without being unique. So I think the dream of 3d open world GFL is officially dead.

Shame. I really liked "Sword Art Online" guns based spin-off. But it played like shit compared to GirlsFrontline or Genshin Impact. Definitely a C tier project.
Looks like Valkyria Chronicles to me (which could be a good thing). It's no Genshin killer though. I don't think we're going to see a properly developed Genshin-like for quite a while. There will be 1/1000th of the budget clones, but nothing with the production values that we're now used to. They set a really high bar for the mobile market, even if mobile is the worst way to play currently.
 
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What platform is GFL2? PC/Mobile?
Native PC and Mobile.


Looks like Valkyria Chronicles to me (which could be a good thing).
Movement is grid based, so really an xcom like game.






But yeah, it's similar to Valkyria Chronicles. But with math cranked up to 11.

It will have built in dating sim tho:


It's no Genshin killer though.
Yeah, it can't be being a much harder game for casuals to get into it, especially female audience.

But unlike MiHoYo, Sunborn is the opposite of cheap when it comes to gacha.

You're basically forced to pay only for cosmetics rolls and everything else is easily achievable with 0 money involvement.

Plus they really care about their story and characters. Company CEO is the real nerd lol

That's why I want them to make a GI like game. 👍 And yeah, having no real competition hurts GI more than anything.
 
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Thank god. I still think mobile holds these games back, but at least native PC ver.
Naturally. Unfortunately all money are on mobile rn. But looks like game is 2022 so maybe they will improve graphics even more. I mean new Samsung and Apple phones are crazy powerful.

SAMG: So what do you think these companies working on ACG media will compete over in future?


YZ: It’s going to be 3D, or how to make a beautiful 2D image into a 3D one. Think about it, which would you choose between a 2D waifu or a waifu who could move in 360 degrees, sing and dance? It’s the same as the development of previous 3D games. In the past, companies made 2D games, but ever since FF7 came out in 3D, 2D games weren’t as popular any more. The market tends toward higher-end games and history progresses like an upwards spiral, so what happened in the past will tend to happen in the future.

SAMG: So how do you intend to tackle this change?


YZ: We would like to take 3D photorealism to its limit. We’ve been preparing for this ever since 2017. We stumbled many times and encountered many pitfalls, and we made many attempts at this, many of which failed. But right now, the 3D performance in our games has reached our expectations, in particular that of GF2.

Good news for going 3d tho is that they can have different character models and accessories for different markets. Bad news is that I doubt that modern Sony will ever let them on their platforms



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The stupid bard has been dethroned in CN and Ganyu was in JP. Ei will probably be hard to top in both regions for a long time:


Lets see how Kokomi does.

EDIT:
3 Disc Inazuma OST is up!
 
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So I just finished Kokomi's quest. The part with the "traveler is here, +4 energy" and her falling asleep while you read her a story...



Ok, ok MHY. I'm a simple man. You make waifu, I buy.

Got her on pull 71. She sucks but it's pretty funny doing a team of her, Gouba, Fischl, and Sayu. Team weird pets.

Tried her trial a few times before rolling. The -100% crit was totally unnecessary. She's not that good with all of her scaling, hell she barely manages to output the single target damage of my Childe back when he was like level 70, even in the trial where they always have favorable conditions for the trial character.

What artifacts are we thinking for her? Right now I'm doing 2pc Heart of Depth and 2pc Severed Fate with a Hydro goblet. If I were only interested in her DPS I'd probably go 4pc Heart of Depth but honestly her Burst is where most of her utility is, so getting the ER seems more important.

Also trying to figure out which of my teams want her as a unit. I still like Barbie in my team of Diluc/Ganyu/Xiangling for the passive healing and easy access of Freeze when Ganyu uses her elemental skill and jumps back. She might fit in my Eula team of Eula/Zhongli/Fischl but I like having Noelle or Healing Ning in that team for the 15% bonus damage and shield buff. She's worthless in any of my Childe teams because Hydro resonance is the worst one.

Damn I wish we had more team slots. I hate having to constantly shift shit around.
 

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I was already planning to get her, but if her Character Story is qt then that seals it.

Maybe I'm understanding the stat wrong, but would Healing Bonus stat make sense for her or?
 

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I was already planning to get her, but if her Character Story is qt then that seals it.

Maybe I'm understanding the stat wrong, but would Healing Bonus stat make sense for her or?
HP is her main stat for scaling. Healing Bonus gets a secondary scaling somewhere with a talent but it's only 15% of her healing bonus and it's a % of a % of her HP that gets the bonus (only during her burst). Healing Bonus is a shit stat for her, and pretty much everyone but Diona IMO.
 
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HP is her main stat for scaling. Healing Bonus gets a secondary scaling somewhere with a talent but it's only 15% of her healing bonus and it's a % of a % of her HP that gets the bonus (only during her burst). Healing Bonus is a shit stat for her, and pretty much everyone but Diona IMO.
Thanks for explaining. Guess I'll see what genshin.gg puts up in a few days for sets to pursue...
 

BlackM1st

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Baal is a fucking beast of a banner. If her success and YMY/Kokomi fail(fingers crossed) doesn't send the message, I don't know what does. I mean MiHo is fucking crazy already and now we are getting rumors of Tart's 3rd banner lmao...




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Finally, some break to save up a little bit of primogems...

 

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Have there been any signs of Yae Miko being on a banner someday? I looked for leaks but the only results I get are other people asking the same question as well as those bullshit clickbait articles that have no information whatsoever.
 

YukiOnna

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Have there been any signs of Yae Miko being on a banner someday? I looked for leaks but the only results I get are other people asking the same question as well as those bullshit clickbait articles that have no information whatsoever.
At the moment, some are saying 2.3 or 2.5. The latter being the more recent one from what I've seen so nothing concrete. There is already a model so she can't be too far off.
 
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