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So err...how do I participate in this stuff?
I log in and it says that I don't have any character.
 

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Seriously , why? One of the few games that actually getting constant updates/news/wild speculations etc.

Anyway, speaking about the news? Remember China only KFC collab? Do you want even more salt in your wounds? Behold:



  • First official GI figure of the best girl.
  • H:175mm W:200mm.
  • Price: Around 120$
  • Release: Never. It's China only! ;_;

Release in China is planned for September.
I stopped collecting figures a few years ago. I have about 200 or so in my attic...but it is with full SHAME I would order this immediately if available.
 
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What do you guys think about using starglitter for wishes instead of characters?

I can't make up my mind...

i have never used them for characters, i have 5 star character and i am 100% f2p btw.
 
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What do you guys think about using starglitter for wishes instead of characters?

I can't make up my mind...
If we had a better drop rates I would've said wishes, but drop rates are nearly nonexistent so I'm gonna vote for characters. This way you can steer your party in the right direction. With such low drop rates we are basically forced to make 90 pulls per character anyway, so 1 or 5 shop wishes is not gonna change anything. Unfortunately, without 90 wishes there almost no reason to pull and that's a BIG problem IMO.
 
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i honestly prefer 6 wishes instead a constellation unless i don't have the character but i have all 4 star characters and they are repeating the same 4 stars in the banners over and over.
 

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i honestly prefer 6 wishes instead a constellation unless i don't have the character but i have all 4 star characters and they are repeating the same 4 stars in the banners over and over.
I don't need any constellations or 4☆ characters, I don't even need 5☆ weapon for my main. I have it already. So I'm busy leveling what I already have/farming fire arts/ farming mats for future hero.


6 starglitter wishes will come in handy when I will have exactly 6 wishes till guarantee and no primos. Otherwise? Starglitter can go fuck itself, I don't need it. No matter the amount, it's not gonna give me a 5☆ I need/want. I just don't consider GI drop rates fair or worthy of the consideration/YOLO single pulls etc.For me anything less than 90 wishes equals eternal sadness and nothingness. But that's me, a guy who really doesn't need any new characters.

But some people have a rotten luck so in their case, I would go and grab a worthy character like Ning or Noelle directly instead of getting 6 3☆ weapons.
 

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Ok dad, but what's your reasoning?

As stated by someone above, the pull rates are very bad so you are going to be wasting them by converting to wishes. You don't get them very often as well (only for 4* or higher dup pulls) as much as you get stardust. The only time I think it would be justified is if you were in a situation where you are exactly at pity pull and the banner you want to pull is going away immediately and you can't get 160 primos any other way. Use the stardust for wishes as much as you want but not starglitter.
 
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As stated by someone above, the pull rates are very bad so you are going to be wasting them by converting to wishes. You don't get them very often as well (only for 4* or higher dup pulls) as much as you get stardust. The only time I think it would be justified is if you were in a situation where you are exactly at pity pull and the banner you want to pull is going away immediately and you can't get 160 primos any other way. Use the stardust for wishes as much as you want but not starglitter.

i always use them between pity 70-90 i just can't resist watching a waifu there without wishes.
 
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I use my glitter on wishes and don't care. I know I'm going to get blasted with constellations of 4* characters when I am rolling for a 5* I want, so unless it's one of the starter 3 (Kaeya, Amber, Lisa) I refuse to buy them in the shop. That said, I already have all of the 4*s so it might be different if I didn't. Also, if they ever add purchasable 5*s to the shop (weapons or characters), then it becomes insanely worth it to save them.
 

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i always use them between pity 70-90 i just can't resist watching a waifu there without wishes.
Who can blame you? You're a normal human being, games like GI are made to exploit our feelings. You want to gamble, they want you to gamble, they are doing everything they can to make you (us) gamble. So yeah, your behavior/way of play is absolutely normal and understandable. I just think that MiHo went way too far with GI drop rates and people are getting tired of not getting anything/not pulling for months. Unfortunately starglitter is irrelevant here and can't save the broken system.
 
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What do you guys think about using starglitter for wishes instead of characters?

I can't make up my mind...
That depends entirely on your priorities. If the most important thing to you is to build up pity ASAP, buying wishes is perfectly justifiable. 4 star characters aren't that valuable anyway. You'll probably get those characters/constellations sometime in the future.

The only other thing worth considering is the weapons. They're the best investment possible, because you convert precious resources into precious, exclusive items you can't get anywhere else. If you don't need those weapons there's no reason to save up though.
 
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Also, if they ever add purchasable 5*s to the shop (weapons or characters), then it becomes insanely worth it to save them.
Main reason why I'm saving.

(Also missing only Bennet and Sucrose, and I don't give a fuck about Sucrose)
 
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If they ever add 5 stars to the store they're gonna be insanely expensive. Gotta ask yourself the question if it's even worth it at that point.
 
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Main reason why I'm saving.

(Also missing only Bennet and Sucrose, and I don't give a fuck for Sucrose)
I know it's not 1:1 for comparison, but based on my experience with Honkai Impact - their other big gacha game - I'd be curious how they'd ever add farmable 5*s to this game. Honkai has a "shard" system that this game doesn't (yet) have where you evolve and obtain characters by farming the shards for them. The gachas have both full on "character cards" which is for the full characters, and then they also drop shards in small amounts. They have all sorts of ways to get free characters and weapons and gear, and some of them are farmable slowly over time via an in-game currency shop. The currency isn't primogems tier either, think of it like sigils or some in-game attainable resource like those that you cannot outright buy. I personally like that system way more than the constellation system, since it gives you a goal to work towards, even if it is slow. There are still some characters in that game though that can only be obtained through the gacha, but they're actually less common than the farmable types.

I'm really curious what the next evolution of character growth looks like in this game, and how they'll handle it. Either it could be a fair and rewarding system or gacha only shit (more likely unfortunately) where you have to roll for materials to evolve your characters.
 

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They have all sorts of ways to get free characters
Azur Lane has an amazing ship development system imo. You can build a ridiculously strong ships but it will require A LOT of time AND you will need to collect a certain amount of other ships from the same nation before you can start. It's not fast, but at least it's something to look forward while you're doing your daily grind.



In GI case it would go as:
  • Collect some 4☆ heroes from one nation
  • Start the production of its nations 5☆
  • Now max level your 4☆ heroes
  • Invest 10000000 gold in 5☆ development
  • Do 100000000 DMG from the same element as a 5☆ you're building
Not the fastest way to get a 5☆ , but at least it gives you something for all the mindless daily grind without asking for any not related to the game shit like fucked up food delivery event we had or login in 10 different sites to get 100 primos and 3 fowls. But unfortunately I doubt that we will ever see anything even close to Azur Lane's generosity in GI ;(
 
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I'll skip two banners I guess. The next one is the cryo boobs right?

Will wait for the geo mage/bow.
I see a lot of people talking about re-runs. Venti might return for example. It is possible all of these rumors and leaks are wrong though. Maybe Rosaria has been turned into a 5 star character. Or maybe we'll get Ayaka, or even some unknown character.

Kinda offtopic, but seeing how much time it takes to do my daily tasks in Genshin, I feel hesitant to try other gacha games. Those games might be great too, but I don't think I have the time and patience to start something new.
 

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What do you guys think about using starglitter for wishes instead of characters?

I can't make up my mind...

Use glitter for guaranteed characters or use them for wishes on 4*'s that you want. I have 100ish glitter so that's an extra 20 wishes on top of the 40-50 I have saved up.

Don't use glitter for wishes for 5 stars. Stupid thing to do.
 
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Oh, when did we get moved to Community? Ah well.

I still don't know how much I want to roll for Who Tao, I've invested so much into building my Diluc now that it would feel like a waste to keep pulling more pyro DPS units.
 
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I see a lot of people talking about re-runs. Venti might return for example. It is possible all of these rumors and leaks are wrong though. Maybe Rosaria has been turned into a 5 star character. Or maybe we'll get Ayaka, or even some unknown character.

Kinda offtopic, but seeing how much time it takes to do my daily tasks in Genshin, I feel hesitant to try other gacha games. Those games might be great too, but I don't think I have the time and patience to start something new.
As somebody that has played many gacha games, take this as a sign of forewarning. There is nothing positive about the gacha model. It's a model that even when you "win", you actually lost because you're gambling for things that don't exist in the real world or have any real money value. At one point I was playing like 12 games simultaneously and regardless of not spending money, every free second of my day was spent checking my phone and doing dailies for one game or another. Terrible genre, and if I could just ween myself off of them entirely I would.

will i avoid the gulag if i play this

put another way, is there any pvp?
Not a bit of PVP, but there's one mode at the very end that's sorta a ranking/high score mode but without any meaningful or visible ranking. It's a great BotW inspired game for the first 30-40 hours though.
 

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Was the Dev Q&A Posted?
https://www.hoyolab.com/genshin/article/219525


As somebody that has played many gacha games, take this as a sign of forewarning. There is nothing positive about the gacha model. It's a model that even when you "win", you actually lost because you're gambling for things that don't exist in the real world or have any real money value. At one point I was playing like 12 games simultaneously and regardless of not spending money, every free second of my day was spent checking my phone and doing dailies for one game or another. Terrible genre, and if I could just ween myself off of them entirely I would.
That said, I'd say dailies definitely don't take as long in mobage as they do in Genshin. Just different games altogether in how you play even if the model is the same.
 

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Was the Dev Q&A Posted?
https://www.hoyolab.com/genshin/article/219525



That said, I'd say dailies definitely don't take as long in mobage as they do in Genshin. Just different games altogether in how you play even if the model is the same.
Lol @ that dev Q&A. They conveniently ignore the bigger questions and problems and focus on stuff like "i want to use the craft table in co-op" and "I don't like warnings that you don't have enough resin when you enter a domain". Yes, I'm sure that was a top 10 request for sure. Nevermind all of the feedback about it taking too many materials to level things up, or resin, or resin caps, or lack of stuff to do in the game. Cheeky bastards.

Regarding your other point, yea, the dailies in Genshin are very quick. The problem is that based on the introduction with the game, I was hoping it didn't immediately fall back into gacha game tropes, which it has fully done. I was hoping that they'd give us the freedom to play on our own terms, whether it was a little or a lot, but you're hardcore restricted by resin, and even events have hard limits on what you can earn from them. Even other gachas will let you grind events until your face turns blue if you want to, but here we're even limited on those. The game could be and hopefully will be a lot more than that, but during these downtimes at the end of a patch, it's blatantly obvious that it's just a cow for them to milk.
 

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Lol @ that dev Q&A. They conveniently ignore the bigger questions and problems and focus on stuff like "i want to use the craft table in co-op" and "I don't like warnings that you don't have enough resin when you enter a domain". Yes, I'm sure that was a top 10 request for sure. Nevermind all of the feedback about it taking too many materials to level things up, or resin, or resin caps, or lack of stuff to do in the game. Cheeky bastards.

Regarding your other point, yea, the dailies in Genshin are very quick. The problem is that based on the introduction with the game, I was hoping it didn't immediately fall back into gacha game tropes, which it has fully done. I was hoping that they'd give us the freedom to play on our own terms, whether it was a little or a lot, but you're hardcore restricted by resin, and even events have hard limits on what you can earn from them. Even other gachas will let you grind events until your face turns blue if you want to, but here we're even limited on those. The game could be and hopefully will be a lot more than that, but during these downtimes at the end of a patch, it's blatantly obvious that it's just a cow for them to milk.
I'm guessing it's because if they had answered the questions that people care about, they won't have the answers people want or the same intentions and the community will rip them apart in their forums more than they already do. Bit pitiful given the patch cycle of the game though that it makes me wonder what the point of the Q&A is.

Even Story Quests where you hit a limit and have to go back to the grind and are then capped by the limited Resin hurts. It's all very stringent and far more than most mobage as they at least give you the freedom/option to keep going if you wanted to and most of the ones I play don't aim to stop you so. It doesn't feel like they plan to change the loop, but we'll see. The Q&A's and interviews haven't exactly given me confidence, just more features in the works.

I'm not trying to be overly negative though, I do enjoy playing when there's stuff to do and why I slowed down.
 

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"If you are hit by special attacks from the abyss herald when your skills are in cooldown, those cooldown times will be extended."
Good luck, Hu Tao mains! Cocogoat and Klee continue to reign supreme 👸👸
 

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She looks fun, and the dash animation also looks enjoyable. Now to wait and see if she ends up being comparable to the other best DPS five stars, and doesn't have the possible disadvantages that I've expressed concern about before.
 
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What do you guys think about using starglitter for wishes instead of characters?

I can't make up my mind...

From the OP:

Stardust - Earned by wishing after receiving any item. Can be used to buy fates, but this has a monthly limit.

Starglitter - Earned by wishing after receiving any four or five star character or weapon. Probably the hardest to earn currency in the game. Should generally only be spent on the weapons in the store, as everything else you can get in other ways. Can also be used to purchase four star characters directly, which usually isn't a good use of starglitter. Even for weapons, you'll want to do your research first and make you don't already have a better weapon for a given character before purchasing anything.

So yeah, my advice is use it for weapons. Even with that in mind, you might want to wait until they've added something to the shop other than the royal and blackcliff weapons, as they've been adding much more powerful weapons to the game lately, which could very well lead to new shop weapons within an update or two.
 
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She looks fun, and the dash animation also looks enjoyable. Now to wait and see if she ends up being comparable to the other best DPS five stars, and doesn't have the possible disadvantages that I've expressed concern about before.
She needs her spear. Just that makes her a hard pass for me. But from a design perspective I like her eyes, her rings, her music theme is cool too. Overall an easy skip that won't affect my team. I hope next couple of banners are just as bad so I can save even more primogems ;D
 

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Oh, when did we get moved to Community? Ah well.

I still don't know how much I want to roll for Who Tao, I've invested so much into building my Diluc now that it would feel like a waste to keep pulling more pyro DPS units.
I'd advocate to only invest in Traveler, a desired 4* and a desired 5*.

Investment in any character takes a lot of time and effort and Traveler has the advantage of having access to every element once Mihoyo gets to endgame.
 

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Traveler has the advantage of having access to every element once Mihoyo gets to endgame.
Meh. Until we will get a fast switch for his element, I see no reason building him. I have all elements anyway and for actual combat you don't need more than 2 strong heroes. Suuuure when we are at the end game Traveler can become a viable battle unit, but let's be honest, people who will stick till the end will delete anything with their favourite 5☆ anyway.
 

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Does she though? I'm hearing otherwise, but I'll be looking forward to when the math you tubers look into the matter.
Well it's not hard to see that it synergizes with her kit to a pretty crazy degree. Even if there is another staff that gives good numbers, her spear is going to be BiS. It increases not only her damage, but also her survivability and healing. She's got basically no team utility other than the crit buff, so making a damage character not die and do more damage is pretty much as good as it gets.

Most importantly, it matches her color scheme.
 

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Well it's not hard to see that it synergizes with her kit to a pretty crazy degree. Even if there is another staff that gives good numbers, her spear is going to be BiS. It increases not only her damage, but also her survivability and healing. She's got basically no team utility other than the crit buff, so making a damage character not die and do more damage is pretty much as good as it gets.

Most importantly, it matches her color scheme.
All good points. For me it comes down to "does she do more damage with a four star weapon than any other five star DPS currently in the game can do with a four star weapon" If the answer is yes, then I wouldn't worry about her OP spear that itself is just going to be outdated six months from now. A year from now there could very well be four star weapons that make staff of homa look like trash. It's just the nature of the game.
 
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Oh my God, her test run is probably the most shameless one yet. Cryo Slimes and she has her lvl 80 Spear? Seriously, MiHo? Is she soooooo bad irl? xD I pity poor fuckers who will roll for her based on that "test" lmao. Boo MiHo, boo!
 

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Oh my God, her test run is probably the most shameless one yet. Cryo Slimes and she has her lvl 80 Spear? Seriously, MiHo? Is she soooooo bad irl? xD I pity poor fuckers who will roll for her based on that "test" lmao. Boo MiHo, boo!
Which server do you play on btw?
 

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Just killed Childe in coop. 2 Hu Tao out of 3 guests. 1 was lvl 90 already xD My friend wasted 10 wishes too. I wasted 3 wishes (was needed for 10x purple guarantee) and got a water trap. Now he's at C2. That's it for me, good luck to everyone pulling 4 her!
 

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Just killed Childe in coop. 2 Hu Tao out of 3 guests. 1 was lvl 90 already xD My friend wasted 10 wishes too. I wasted 3 wishes (was needed for 10x purple guarantee) and got a water trap. Now he's at C2. That's it for me, good luck to everyone pulling 4 her!
I'm going to go all out. I don't have enough to hit pity yet, so here's hoping I get lucky and get her without pity (ha, yea right). I should be able to get the rest of what I need before the banner ends, probably. My last 50/50 came up Keqing constellations on Xiao banner so she's guaranteed if I get a 5*.