Petaya Berry
Banned
Source: https://www.ign.com/articles/ex-nintendo-designer-says-f-zero-isnt-dead-its-just-hard-to-bring-back
Not dead, riiiight. They will launch in the same day as the new Advance Wars.
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Former F-Zero artist at Nintendo, says that the series is not dead, “but without a grand new idea, it’s hard to bring it back”
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Source: https://www.ign.com/articles/ex-nintendo-designer-says-f-zero-isnt-dead-its-just-hard-to-bring-back
Not dead, riiiight. They will launch in the same day as the new Advance Wars.
Dick Jones
Gold Member
I understand where he is coming from. Nintendo want an evolution to justify making a sequel. While they port like crazy, they tend to want to make a noticeable different sequel than just a cookie cutter sequel. I think almost 20 years should be enough time to restart it without a new hook though. If it was more recent I'd understand Nintendo's stance.
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Petaya Berry
Banned
I think that a north-american branch (like NST), could very well work in these smaller games. They do not need to be a US$ 60 or US$ 20 (like the 'indies' from Nintendo).
A new tier of US$ 40 for those type of games would be cool and not so risk to experiment (Doshin, Kuru Kuru Kururin, Nintendo Puzzle Collection - heck, bring Giftpia too).
Bruno_Arrais85
Member
It isn't that popular compared to Mario Kart. Nintendo will just create Mario Kart 9 for the Switch 2 and the game will keep selling for the next 6 years.
nerdface
Banned
I will always love NST for bringing waverace to the gamecube. When you unlock all the weather settings, you can crank the wave settings with a big storm...there’s no arcade racer like it!
...but FZero is so fast and pretty...it’s gonna take more than a few clever mathematicians and programmers.
Reindeer
Member
Is this the same Nintendo that charges people $60 for ports and is also into remakes/remasters? Naaah, I don't buy it, dawg. There isn't a lot of money to be made with F-Zero like there is with other games and that's the real reason they ain't making it, same reason Sony isn't interested in making more Wipeouts.
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Petaya Berry
Banned
"Go big or don't go".
Meanwhile, Aonuma continued to make shit Zeldas for years. Heck, and now they are bringing back Skyward Sword, the 2nd worst Zelda ever (only less bad than Majora's Mask).
This is weird. They let Aonuma almost ruin a flagship series but smaller series can't even have a new chance. It seems like Nintendo is divided by factions within.
Reindeer
Member
Zelda sells simply by name, F-Zero doesn't.
Monkeygourmet
Banned
Make it like Yakuza.
Captain Falcon is a bounty hunter / private dic. In between big races you run around town solving little crimes and fighting to upgrade Blue Falcon.
Then after each act there’s a big race with a main enemy. In between you can enter smaller challenge cups to get more money to upgrade fighting moves at the dojo / clothing and your vehicle.
Captain Falcon is a bounty hunter / private dic. In between big races you run around town solving little crimes and fighting to upgrade Blue Falcon.
Then after each act there’s a big race with a main enemy. In between you can enter smaller challenge cups to get more money to upgrade fighting moves at the dojo / clothing and your vehicle.
nerdface
Banned
I dunno if the sales are there, but I think those analog triggers aren’t a simple controller port. Maybe gyro ‘leaning’ somehow?
...as soon as you start talking about redesigning stuff like that, simple ports become bigger projects.
GrayFoxPL
Member
What? Grand idea?
This is racing game! Like on NGC ask Namco to help, make swinging tracks and speed that makes your head fall off!
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StormCell
Member
Not hard to see why Nintendo doesn't invest in a basic sequel to F-Zero. GX didn't sell amazing numbers. Simply releasing an evolutionary step forward isn't likely to rake in huge sales numbers. They are looking for an idea that would revolutionize the way we play F-Zero.
I've actually had some ideas, but it just doesn't seem like it's in Nintendo's wheel house. They love to market characters and fun play ideas, and Mario Kart really covers that race for fun base.
I've actually had some ideas, but it just doesn't seem like it's in Nintendo's wheel house. They love to market characters and fun play ideas, and Mario Kart really covers that race for fun base.
I get it didn't sell amazing numbers, but the Gamecube itself didn't see amazing numbers. With the switch's popularity, it should be able to hit some decent numbers. It wasn't a complete flop either. It sold what 1 to 1.5 million. That is pretty good back in 2003. Luigi's Mansion sold 2 million and that was a launch title when there wasn't a lot to play. I am not saying make it a triple AAA title or anything. Bring the series back. Test the waters with an updated port that is much cheaper to put out.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Gold Member
Would love to see Sega and Nintendo partner up again with another balls-hard F-Zero. If they want to spice it up, why not do a JRPG but make the battles races instead?
SoggyBiscuit
Banned
It's understandable, but incredibly disappointing that Nintendo don't want to iterate and instead attempt bold new ideas with titles like F-Zero.
GX is hands down one of my favourite games of all time, to have nothing for so long is painful.
Even a remastered GX would be a god send at this point.
GX is hands down one of my favourite games of all time, to have nothing for so long is painful.
Even a remastered GX would be a god send at this point.
Petaya Berry
Banned
It sold less than 1 million.
StormCell
Member
I'm not in disagreement with you on any of that. If anything, F-Zero is one of the easiest franchises to hand off. Almost, literally, anybody could make an F-Zero. Even Retro Studios could make F-Zero. I thought SEGA did a fantastic job and would love for them to make a sequel.
Nintendo is Nintendo though. They get these ideas that their audience is fatigued with certain franchises, and they don't listen to core audiences from western countries very often. We're lucky they have even given a green light to Metroid Prime. Maybe F-Zero will be next.
SaturnSaturn
Member
They are still salty that Nagoshi and Sega managed to make a better f-zero game then they ever did lol
Petaya Berry
Banned
Sean Malstrom talked about this a lot.
Nintendo of America is just a PR branch, they should have more autonomy like in Arakawa days.
alucard0712_rus
Gold Member
VR
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Arcadey racers dont fly anymore.
Racing in general is dead unless it's Mario Kart.
Gamers had enough. Too repetitive and shallow. Generations ago, racers would be everywhere including being top sellers and system sellers. How often do you hear about racers now?
Racing in general is dead unless it's Mario Kart.
Gamers had enough. Too repetitive and shallow. Generations ago, racers would be everywhere including being top sellers and system sellers. How often do you hear about racers now?
I Love Rock 'n' Roll
Member
Same old shit for 15 years.
Gameplay is great. There is no reason to kill it. Online play, VR, 4k and creation modes are enough to justify a sequel.
The truth is that:
- Nintendo is not able to create a racing game with the same tech as WipeOut HD.
- they hated the SEGA game (made after killing the DC, a mostly dead SEGA) since it was everything Nintendo was never able to deliver. It’s a disaster for their teams. They were so jalous.
- Nintendo is going SEGA and being cluless about their legacy and what to do with it.
- there's something wrong at Nintendo. Asking the Burnout Out studio to create a new FZero and then cancel it. Why? Those guys were a million time better than Nintendo. Is that the reason why? Are people that mad at Nintendo?
We're talking about the compagny that made the WiiU a reality, guys. The WiiU was ok, not a new FZero. Put that into perspective.
This tells so much about the state of Nintendo.
Gameplay is great. There is no reason to kill it. Online play, VR, 4k and creation modes are enough to justify a sequel.
The truth is that:
- Nintendo is not able to create a racing game with the same tech as WipeOut HD.
- they hated the SEGA game (made after killing the DC, a mostly dead SEGA) since it was everything Nintendo was never able to deliver. It’s a disaster for their teams. They were so jalous.
- Nintendo is going SEGA and being cluless about their legacy and what to do with it.
- there's something wrong at Nintendo. Asking the Burnout Out studio to create a new FZero and then cancel it. Why? Those guys were a million time better than Nintendo. Is that the reason why? Are people that mad at Nintendo?
We're talking about the compagny that made the WiiU a reality, guys. The WiiU was ok, not a new FZero. Put that into perspective.
This tells so much about the state of Nintendo.
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StormCell
Member
I may have felt that way 10 years ago or even 5 years ago regarding an American branch of Nintendo having autonomy or sway in the company, but Americans have flat lost my confidence and trust in their use of bespoke autonomy. lol
Probably, I feel, Nintendo saw the problems that plagued SEGA and made sure that the same will never happen to them!
Where did you see that ? Just curious cause everything I’ve pulled up says 1.5 million.
StormCell
Member
Simply not true. Nintendo could very easily hand a game like this off to a studio like Retro and easily achieve something very similar to WipeOut HD. The problem with Nintendo is they are too concentrated on this notion that most everything they do is some grand innovation, which it's not. This is the same company that won't simply give us another Mario RPG-esque Paper Mario. Simply. Will. Not.
Petaya Berry
Banned
Nagoshi once wrongly said that the game sold 1.5M, but Nintendo reports every game that sold more than 1M and F-Zero GX was never reported.
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FromDuskTillGameOver
Member
120fps and/or VR support would be a reason, but even with a switch pro i doubt the hardware would be powerfull enough. just releaes a remaster of gx ffs, hell make it a digital collection with all three titles. nintendo fanboys will pay 60 bucks for it.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
how about let go of the stupid cut scenes and just make a barebones game like the original?
Petaya Berry
Banned
This would not be possible. Nagoshi is a totally different person, inside and outside.
This is Nagoshi back then in the GameCube days. He seems british and a joyful person.
And this is him today, looks like a bitter and abandoned husband.
I do not think that he wants to work with Nintendo anymore.
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DiddyKongRacing69
Member
NIntendo doesn't like money apparently. They'll greenlight any Mario and Animal Crossing crap even when no one wants it "cough cough" Mario Tennis Aces , Pokemon Snap "cough cough" Yet they won't do anything to a series fans have been asking and asking for years.?
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Dr_Salt
Member
FZero GX was a players choice title. It sold well.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
F-zero isn't dead it just has homage race tracks in Mario Kart and a husbando you can play as in Smash Bros. 
I have to applaud these people when they say something isn't dead and then tell you that it is in their next sentence.
I have to applaud these people when they say something isn't dead and then tell you that it is in their next sentence.
Dr_Salt
Member
https://www.destructoid.com/stories...ne-wants-to-make-it-challenging--615677.phtmlThis would not be possible. Nagoshi is a totally different person, inside and outside.
This is Nagoshi back then in the GameCube days. He seems british and a joyful person.
And this is him today, looks like a bitter and abandoned husband.
I do not think that he wants to work with Nintendo anymore.
Naked Lunch
Member
Heres a grand idea:
You put FZero GX on a modern console with online play.
We've only been waiting for close to 20 years now.
Nintendo can be so moronic sometimes...
You put FZero GX on a modern console with online play.
We've only been waiting for close to 20 years now.
Nintendo can be so moronic sometimes...
Petaya Berry
Banned
Let's hope that he pitch this idea to Nintendo again.
Yet, was never in the official reports as a million seller.
Petaya Berry
Banned
Sorry, but this a dumb take.
F-Zero was never a big seller.
Who decides about Pokémon Snap is The Pokémon Company, not Nintendo.
The only Animal Crossing crap was the Wii U title were they said was an excuse to use amiibos.
Mario Tennis Aces sould more than any F-Zero ever made.
I would like a new F-Zero, but it is almost assured that would not be a big hit.
Nintendo DO like money and because of that that we do not have new F-Zero, Advance Wars, Panel de Pon and so on. ;_;
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Dr_Salt
Member
I mean there were 21M GC units sold vs 78M Switch units sold. Switch has sold more than 3 times the GC. Your comparrison doesn't make any sense.
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Petaya Berry
Banned
What doesn't make sense is to compare two distinct years without the context.
By your logic, why Bayonetta on Switch just barely outsold the Wii U version? It should have sold a lot more, no?
