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UPDATE: MainConcept.com plugin provides software solution.

Yup, learned it the hard way. My PC:

Asus Crosshair Hero VII (PCIe 3.0), AMD Ryzen 2700x, AMD Radeon VII 16GB HBM2, 32GB RAM, 1TB 3.5GB/s Samsung 970 Pro, 2TB SATA3 SSD, Windows 10 Pro, etc.

With shipping and shit it cost me around $3400 back then (2019). Well, as a DaVinci Resolve Studio 17 user mainly, AMD's garbage can't export in H.265 10-bit 4:2:2 (well, nVidia as well can't do both, it does 10-bit 4:2:0). Go for Intel, it has that in the silicon (11th Gen), hardware accelerated for up to 8K 10-bit 4:2:2 for H.265.

But I'll message these guys and it might at least be possible to export it on a software level:


This doesn't mean it'll make me an Intel/nVidia fan, but if starting a build now I'll definitely go for that. Both are electricity thirsty which I don't like vs new AMD CPU's/GPU's.

Maybe more support for AMD's hardware in the future? Don't know, just wanted to give a heads up to avoid disappointment and wasting your money.
 
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Yup, learned it the hard way. I have a decent PC:

Asus Crosshair Hero VII (PCIe 3.0), AMD Ryzen 2700x, AMD Radeon VII 16GB HBM2, 32GB RAM, 1TB 3.5GB/s Samsung 970 Pro, 2TB SATA3 SSD, Windows 10 Pro, etc.

With shipping and shit it cost me around $3400 back then (2019). Well, as a DaVinci Resolve Studio 17 user mainly, AMD's garbage can't export in H.265 10-bit 4:2:2 (well, nVidia as well can't do both, it does 10-bit 4:2:0). Go for Intel, it has that in the silicon (11th Gen), hardware accelerated for up to 8K 10-bit 4:2:2 for H.265.

But, I'll message those guys and it might at least be possible to export it on a software level:


This doesn't mean it'll make me an Intel/nVidia fan, but if starting a build now I'll definitely go for that. Both are electricity thirsty which I don't like vs new AMD CPU's/GPU's.

Maybe more support for AMD's hardware in the future? Don't know, just wanted to give a heads up to avoid disappointment and wasting your money.
Isn't this kind of encoding very niche?
Is a software encoder running in Ryzen multiple threads much slower than the hardware accelerated alternative?
 

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As if anyone will buy Zen 1 plus Vega today for this purpose you moron.

This includes the latest AMD CPU's and GPU's, you moron.

Didn't you know that Sony uses AMD?

What does that has to do with any of this?

Isn't this kind of encoding very niche?
Is a software encoder running in Ryzen multiple threads much slower than the hardware accelerated alternative?

Slower won't be a problem to me, really. Hardware accelerated would be much better indeed. But for now when editing it seems to be GPU-accelerated as I don't need proxies for those complicated files and playback with zero stutter. The problem is you "can't" export to the mentioned format on DaVinci Resolve, natively. Could this change in the future? Don't know. Is that website providing the solution? Hope so.

It's not niche, really, unless someone prefers to export huge files unnecessarily. Tried to workaround it and it makes a 1.5GB video into 67GB!
 
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Bo_Hazem

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send it my way if you're going to throw it away

Nah, worst case scenario is throwing it in my studio and buying/building a new one. But it's too expensive for not too big problem.

1) Install MacOS (OpenCore)
2) Edit in Final Cut
3) Boom, enjoy your Ryzen Hackintosh

Nah, that's not a solution. Also it seems like licensing/patent problem.

So, if I understood this correctly, on the Intel side it uses Quick Sync technology to encode and decode HEVC 10-bit 4:2:2 color sampling content? I'm surprised that current GPUs from NVIDIA and AMD aren't capable of this.

It seems like those are patented and they might have some licensing issues.
 

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AMD GPUs run citra like crap on windows. Well anything open gl and the control panel sucks compared to Nvidia. Still i am happy with my old Rx 580.
But as a rule of thumb avoid AMD GPUs unless they are WAY cheaper than the Nvidia alternative.

Felt like adding to the fire here.
 
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Yup, learned it the hard way. I have a decent PC:

Asus Crosshair Hero VII (PCIe 3.0), AMD Ryzen 2700x, AMD Radeon VII 16GB HBM2, 32GB RAM, 1TB 3.5GB/s Samsung 970 Pro, 2TB SATA3 SSD, Windows 10 Pro, etc.

With shipping and shit it cost me around $3400 back then (2019). Well, as a DaVinci Resolve Studio 17 user mainly, AMD's garbage can't export in H.265 10-bit 4:2:2 (well, nVidia as well can't do both, it does 10-bit 4:2:0). Go for Intel, it has that in the silicon (11th Gen), hardware accelerated for up to 8K 10-bit 4:2:2 for H.265.

But I'll message these guys and it might at least be possible to export it on a software level:


This doesn't mean it'll make me an Intel/nVidia fan, but if starting a build now I'll definitely go for that. Both are electricity thirsty which I don't like vs new AMD CPU's/GPU's.

Maybe more support for AMD's hardware in the future? Don't know, just wanted to give a heads up to avoid disappointment and wasting your money.
Holy shit I'm so happy right now with my purchase.

I got:
Intel i7 11700K (watercooled and not yet overclocked 🤭)
RTX 3080
32GB Ram
1TB NVME SSD

It's only week and a half old now but I've been thoroughly impressed with the performance in basically anything. Have they to have a go at Photoshop but I imagine it's overkill for that and Lightroom 😂😂😂.

Will have a go at video editing in future once I get the software tutorials under my belt. Thanks for the heads up.

And to think I had buyers regret for a similar build that pitched up a week later after my purchase:

Ryzen 9
RTX 3080Ti
Same Ram
Same SSD

Also overkill for 1440p gaming anyways
 
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Well I learned harsh lesson by going 3700x and x570 on release....
1Min boot times, compatibility problems with a lot of software and some games, USB problems, weird cpu states, weekly bios updates... I shit you not, it is on F35 bios with many betas on the way.
only now it boots in 30 seconds, about similar as my old 2500k did. Still have problems with keyboard phantom inputs. Razer is so fucking stupid they have no idea how to release anything for Ryzen and it works perfect on Intel.

and the cherry on top? I could just get 10400f and have the same or better game performance for cheaper and on better platform.

OH and I had to get motherboard exchanged week1 as b450 was not enough for 3700x... And only booted sometimes.
it's all more or less ok now but it was miserable experience at times. Never buy new AMD products... Let them get patched first
 

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Yup, learned it the hard way. I have a decent PC:

Asus Crosshair Hero VII (PCIe 3.0), AMD Ryzen 2700x, AMD Radeon VII 16GB HBM2, 32GB RAM, 1TB 3.5GB/s Samsung 970 Pro, 2TB SATA3 SSD, Windows 10 Pro, etc.

With shipping and shit it cost me around $3400 back then (2019). Well, as a DaVinci Resolve Studio 17 user mainly, AMD's garbage can't export in H.265 10-bit 4:2:2 (well, nVidia as well can't do both, it does 10-bit 4:2:0). Go for Intel, it has that in the silicon (11th Gen), hardware accelerated for up to 8K 10-bit 4:2:2 for H.265.

But I'll message these guys and it might at least be possible to export it on a software level:


This doesn't mean it'll make me an Intel/nVidia fan, but if starting a build now I'll definitely go for that. Both are electricity thirsty which I don't like vs new AMD CPU's/GPU's.

Maybe more support for AMD's hardware in the future? Don't know, just wanted to give a heads up to avoid disappointment and wasting your money.
More info from https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...-is-Supported-in-DaVinci-Resolve-Studio-2122/



Intel Quick Sync 11th gen doesn't exist in 2019.
 

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Well I learned harsh lesson by going 3700x and x570 on release....
1Min boot times, compatibility problems with a lot of software and some games, USB problems, weird cpu states, weekly bios updates... I shit you not, it is on F35 bios with many betas on the way.
only now it boots in 30 seconds, about similar as my old 2500k did. Still have problems with keyboard phantom inputs. Razer is so fucking stupid they have no idea how to release anything for Ryzen and it works perfect on Intel.

and the cherry on top? I could just get 10400f and have the same or better game performance for cheaper and on better platform.

OH and I had to get motherboard exchanged week1 as b450 was not enough for 3700x... And only booted sometimes.
it's all more or less ok now but it was miserable experience at times. Never buy new AMD products... Let them get patched first
Sounds like you are running your computer in legacy mode.
 

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Yup, learned it the hard way. I have a decent PC:

Asus Crosshair Hero VII (PCIe 3.0), AMD Ryzen 2700x, AMD Radeon VII 16GB HBM2, 32GB RAM, 1TB 3.5GB/s Samsung 970 Pro, 2TB SATA3 SSD, Windows 10 Pro, etc.

With shipping and shit it cost me around $3400 back then (2019). Well, as a DaVinci Resolve Studio 17 user mainly, AMD's garbage can't export in H.265 10-bit 4:2:2 (well, nVidia as well can't do both, it does 10-bit 4:2:0). Go for Intel, it has that in the silicon (11th Gen), hardware accelerated for up to 8K 10-bit 4:2:2 for H.265.

But I'll message these guys and it might at least be possible to export it on a software level:


This doesn't mean it'll make me an Intel/nVidia fan, but if starting a build now I'll definitely go for that. Both are electricity thirsty which I don't like vs new AMD CPU's/GPU's.

Maybe more support for AMD's hardware in the future? Don't know, just wanted to give a heads up to avoid disappointment and wasting your money.
That sounds annoying.

Do you think it is specific to your software, or have you tried the poor persons option - FFMPEG powered OpenShot - and had the same problem with that, too?

I'm not entirely sure I fully understand the problem you are having, but from my own tinkering with OpenShot IIRC , there was lots of different intermediary formats to work in- with different storage footprints - for doing the editing with smooth scrubbing, and they could reference the original source files, and then because it is FFMPEG below the surface - which supports h.265 4:2:2 - you can just output the final result to the desired format, by it transcoding directly from the source, rather than the intermediate files.

If you can somehow do your project using DaVinci without h.265 4:2:2, then save the project file, and open that in say openShot, adjust the codec setting to h.265, and then do the export there.
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Is the actual problem that you want to preview in (HDR) h.265 4:2:2 while editing, and without Intel Quicksync you can't do that in real-time, yes?
 
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Related: I hate that my GTX 1080 can't decode VP9 in HW, the 1080 ti does but none of the other 10-series cards do. So fucking annoying for playing ultra high bitrate 4K and 8K videos from youtube which are all VP9 as I have to rely on my 3770K which is fine for everything else except this and visiting towns in some AC games.
 

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Weird title Bo.

Older hardware has lesser format support than newer hardware. It happens.
I tend to steer clear of AMD GPUs on most serious production workloads anyway - Nvidia has put a lot of time and money into that side of the ecosystem (and NVDEC/NVENC), something AMD haven't exactly had in surplus.

The other half for software export is almost certainly licensing on Da Vinci's side. Same reason HEVC isn't widely supported in browsers and such - There are attempts to skip it and move to a less patent encumbered format such as AV1.
Export support just isn't great in Resolve (worse in the free tier IIRC) and I'd wish they'd frameserve or support lossless h.264 or something.


Maybe anyone in this situation would do well with a fully standalone Intel DG1 if they come to market. (Swapping out from an OEM system won't work)
 
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Bo_Hazem

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Well I learned harsh lesson by going 3700x and x570 on release....
1Min boot times, compatibility problems with a lot of software and some games, USB problems, weird cpu states, weekly bios updates... I shit you not, it is on F35 bios with many betas on the way.
only now it boots in 30 seconds, about similar as my old 2500k did. Still have problems with keyboard phantom inputs. Razer is so fucking stupid they have no idea how to release anything for Ryzen and it works perfect on Intel.

and the cherry on top? I could just get 10400f and have the same or better game performance for cheaper and on better platform.

OH and I had to get motherboard exchanged week1 as b450 was not enough for 3700x... And only booted sometimes.
it's all more or less ok now but it was miserable experience at times. Never buy new AMD products... Let them get patched first

Let's clear things out: My PC can easily install windows in like 4-6min. Also now with GPU-accelerated DaVinci Resolve Studio I don't even bother with proxies or optimizing media. Even tried pushing a clip that was already a complex XAVC HS H.265 10-bit 4:2:2 4K@120fps to 1000fps and the playback didn't even get 1 minor stutter, probably thanks to the 16GB HBM2, 1TB/s bandwidth.

My only problems here are: H.265 10-bit 4:2:2 output isn't supported even on a software level, it's only with Intel. I might buy this plugin to make it at least available in a software level, not HW-accelerated like new Intel CPU:

  • Sony XDCAM EX, HD & IMX and XAVC & XAVC-S


Don't care if it doesn't export to XAVC-HS that I mainly use, only need 10-bit 4:2:2 for H.265 instead of 8-bit.


Who said it was available in 2019? I came from Blackmagic forums and ALL AMD's don't support the mentioned, so it's for those out there that use their PC's in a hybrid fashion should consider, especially videographers.

There's your problem. Get premier or a mac with final cut.

Yeah, premier is a total garbage with frequent crashes and time loss. Also had a nightmare with iMAC that can't even handle 1080p without crashing with premier. Been in this mess with Sony Vegas as well since 2012 and nothing comes close to rock-solid DaVinci Resolve.
 
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Yup, learned it the hard way. I have a decent PC:

Asus Crosshair Hero VII (PCIe 3.0), AMD Ryzen 2700x, AMD Radeon VII 16GB HBM2, 32GB RAM, 1TB 3.5GB/s Samsung 970 Pro, 2TB SATA3 SSD, Windows 10 Pro, etc.

With shipping and shit it cost me around $3400 back then (2019). Well, as a DaVinci Resolve Studio 17 user mainly, AMD's garbage can't export in H.265 10-bit 4:2:2 (well, nVidia as well can't do both, it does 10-bit 4:2:0). Go for Intel, it has that in the silicon (11th Gen), hardware accelerated for up to 8K 10-bit 4:2:2 for H.265.

But I'll message these guys and it might at least be possible to export it on a software level:


This doesn't mean it'll make me an Intel/nVidia fan, but if starting a build now I'll definitely go for that. Both are electricity thirsty which I don't like vs new AMD CPU's/GPU's.

Maybe more support for AMD's hardware in the future? Don't know, just wanted to give a heads up to avoid disappointment and wasting your money.
This is only my opinion and I’ll probably get sht in for this but I don’t really hold AMD in high regard for either cpu or gpu. Last AmD I had was an athlon I bought for someone and it always ran way hotter than intel. I know they’ve gotte. Better but Seems like there’s always little driver issues here and there that can affect certain features of apps/games for ppl running AMD. The way I understand it is that that’s how they get the prices lower by cutting corners in the manufacturing process when it comes to heat and overall longevity / reliability.
 
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This is only my opinion and I’ll probably get sht in for this but I don’t really hold AMD in high regard for either cpu or gpu. Last AmD I had was an athlon I bought for someone and it always ran way hotter than intel. I know they’ve gotte. Better but Seems like there’s always little driver issues here and there that can affect certain features of games for ppl running AMD. The way I understand it is that that’s how they get the prices lower by cutting corners in the manufacturing process when it comes to heat and overall longevity / reliability.

Actually AMD's are the best now when it comes to heat and power consumption. They were notorious a decade ago. On drivers and stuff like that yeah they need to improve.
 

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Weird title Bo.

Older hardware has lesser format support than newer hardware. It happens.
I tend to steer clear of AMD GPUs on most serious production workloads anyway - Nvidia has put a lot of time and money into that side of the ecosystem (and NVDEC/NVENC), something AMD haven't exactly had in surplus.

The other half for software export is almost certainly licensing on Da Vinci's side. Same reason HEVC isn't widely supported in browsers and such - There are attempts to skip it and move to a less patent encumbered format such as AV1.
Export support just isn't great in Resolve (worse in the free tier IIRC) and I'd wish they'd frameserve or support lossless h.264 or something.


Maybe anyone in this situation would do well with a fully standalone Intel DG1 if they come to market. (Swapping out from an OEM system won't work)

Yes, it's mostly Blackmagic cheapening and offering third party support AFAIK. That website offers the solution for $99 which is pretty steep after paying $300 for DR Studio that should have it on a software level to begin with. I'll report back when I get more details but seems like that is the software solution.

That sounds annoying.

Do you think it is specific to your software, or have you tried the poor persons option - FFMPEG powered OpenShot - and had the same problem with that, too?

I'm not entirely sure I fully understand the problem you are having, but from my own tinkering with OpenShot IIRC , there was lots of different intermediary formats to work in- with different storage footprints - for doing the editing with smooth scrubbing, and they could reference the original source files, and then because it is FFMPEG below the surface - which supports h.265 4:2:2 - you can just output the final result to the desired format, by it transcoding directly from the source, rather than the intermediate files.

If you can somehow do your project using DaVinci without h.265 4:2:2, then save the project file, and open that in say openShot, adjust the codec setting to h.265, and then do the export there.
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Is the actual problem that you want to preview in (HDR) h.265 4:2:2 while editing, and without Intel Quicksync you can't do that in real-time, yes?

I have zero problems editing in anyway you think, it's only access to efficient H.265 10-bit isn't available in the software and Intel has went the extra mile to fully support most if not all formats with HW-acceleration. I can export into larger files then change them to H.265 10-bit but those files are massive so it takes too long. They make my original 1.4GB into 67GB! And that's barely above 1min.
 
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Let's clear things out: My PC can easily install windows in like 4-6min. Also now with GPU-accelerated DaVinci Resolve Studio I don't even bother with proxies or optimizing media. Even tried pushing a clip that was already a complex XAVC HS H.265 10-bit 4:2:2 4K@120fps to 1000fps and the playback didn't even get 1 minor stutter, probably thanks to the 16GB HBM2, 1TB/s bandwidth.

My only problems here are: H.265 10-bit 4:2:2 output isn't supported even on a software level, it's only with Intel. I might buy this plugin to make it at least available in a software level, not HW-accelerated like new Intel CPU:

  • Sony XDCAM EX, HD & IMX and XAVC & XAVC-S


Don't care if it doesn't export to XAVC-HS that I mainly use, only need 10-bit 4:2:2 for H.265 instead of 8-bit.



Who said it was available in 2019? I came from Blackmagic forums and ALL AMD's don't support the mentioned, so it's for those out there that use their PC's in a hybrid fashion should consider, especially videographers.



Yeah, premier is a total garbage with frequent crashes and time loss. Also had a nightmare with iMAC that can't even handle 1080p without crashing with premier. Been in this mess with Sony Vegas as well since 2012 and nothing comes close to rock-solid DaVinci Resolve.
Does the software plugin produce superior quality results to hardware acceleration like it does with FFMPEG?

If so, I would get the plugin, because AFAIK from the handbrake documentation when I looked into it a few years back - when transcoding rips of bluy-rays - was that CPU and slow produces better quality than acceleration, because by its very nature, acceleration has to be less general purpose to get the speed gains - although that was Intel quciksync in the past - with accelerated compute making big advances maybe codec HW acceleration is close enough for the quality difference to be insignificant, now.
 

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Does the software plugin produce superior quality results to hardware acceleration like it does with FFMPEG?

If so, I would get the plugin, because AFAIK from the handbrake documentation when I looked into it a few years back - when transcoding rips of bluy-rays - was that CPU and slow produces better quality than acceleration, because by its very nature, acceleration has to be less general purpose to get the speed gains - although that was Intel quciksync in the past - with accelerated compute making big advances maybe codec HW acceleration is close enough for the quality difference to be insignificant, now.

Yeah I heard about that before. Rendering is fast enough anyway with the CPU and I always opt for quality over speed. Here is what they say:

Render project timelines from DaVinci Resolve Studio​

With the MainConcept® Codec Plugin for DaVinci Resolve Studio, the complete production chain—from filming, capturing, editing and playout—can remain in the same broadcast format. This speeds up your workflow and brings the reliability that comes MainConcept’s 25+ year track record of powering the digital universe. Now, creators can easily render project timelines from DaVinci Resolve Studio 17 into professional camera formats from Sony, Panasonic and others.

Codec Plugin for DaVinci Resolve Studio includes MainConcept HEVC/H.265, AVC/H.264, DVCPRO and MPEG-2 technologies, the same industry-leading codec available in our standalone SDK.

HEVC encoding up to 8K
Encode HEVC/H.265 Main and Main 10 in up to 8K in MP4 file format, widely used in OTT workflows and environments
AS-11 UK DPP Rendering
  • Supports AS-11 UK DPP SD (MPEG-2) and HD (AVC/H.264) project rendering with ready-to-use SD and HD presets, including metadata handling, direct from the DaVinci Resolve Studio timeline
  • The included XML metadata template file can be modified to set all descriptive metadata required to create AS-11 UK DPP compliant content
  • Metadata compliant
Pro camera formats and preset groups
Supports a wide range of professional camera formats and preset groups including:
  • Sony XDCAM EX, HD & IMX and XAVC & XAVC-S
  • Panasonic P2 DVCPRO and AVC Ultra (Intra and LongG)
  • MP4 HEVC (8 or 10 bit)
  • MXF (AS-11 UK DPP SD or HD & RP2027 AVC-Intra)

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They didn't mention XAVC-HS that I use with A7S III, so waiting for more details from them. DaVinci Resolve Studio 17 doesn't just support XAVC-HS when editing, it RAPES it! You can't playback those files smoothly with VLC or even Sony Catalyst Browse for 4K@120fps due to complex compression. Those are raw frames from 4K@120fps XAVC-HS (H.265 10-bit 4:2:2):





 
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Well I learned harsh lesson by going 3700x and x570 on release....
1Min boot times, compatibility problems with a lot of software and some games, USB problems, weird cpu states, weekly bios updates... I shit you not, it is on F35 bios with many betas on the way.
only now it boots in 30 seconds, about similar as my old 2500k did. Still have problems with keyboard phantom inputs. Razer is so fucking stupid they have no idea how to release anything for Ryzen and it works perfect on Intel.

and the cherry on top? I could just get 10400f and have the same or better game performance for cheaper and on better platform.

OH and I had to get motherboard exchanged week1 as b450 was not enough for 3700x... And only booted sometimes.
it's all more or less ok now but it was miserable experience at times. Never buy new AMD products... Let them get patched first
This feels very off topic but is quite interesting.

I had been out of PC gaming for a long-ass time. Decided I wanted to get back in and built an AMD system. I did fear it because of past reliability/performance detriments compared to Intel.

what I did was watch all the typical YouTube channels and read a few articles and dip into Reddit to see what people recommended. I stuck with a name brand well rated power supply, motherboard (and to a lesser extend RAM and SSD. All I do is game so YMMV but I’ve been quite happy with a rock solid AMD Ryzen 3600 build.

I’ve been happy with the GTX 1080 I got as well. I still can’t get myself interested in AMD for GPUs but I did have recent crashing on Pop!_OS that turned out to be an NVIDIA driver issue. Thankfully I got it resolved by rolling back my driver.

I know you didn’t ask for my 2cents but I just have been impressed / happy with my ryzen and feel you deserve to as well.
 

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Well I learned harsh lesson by going 3700x and x570 on release....
1Min boot times, compatibility problems with a lot of software and some games, USB problems, weird cpu states, weekly bios updates... I shit you not, it is on F35 bios with many betas on the way.
only now it boots in 30 seconds, about similar as my old 2500k did. Still have problems with keyboard phantom inputs. Razer is so fucking stupid they have no idea how to release anything for Ryzen and it works perfect on Intel.

and the cherry on top? I could just get 10400f and have the same or better game performance for cheaper and on better platform.

OH and I had to get motherboard exchanged week1 as b450 was not enough for 3700x... And only booted sometimes.
it's all more or less ok now but it was miserable experience at times. Never buy new AMD products... Let them get patched first
My last Razer keyboard was unstable when I have Intel Haswell era CPUs.

F-35 Bios with X570 indicates Gigabyte Aorus Elite motherboard.

My gaming PCs
PC1: Intel Core i9 9900K + MSI MPG Z390 GAMING PRO CARBON + RTX 3080 Ti. To be replaced by Intel Alder Lake.
PC2: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X + ASUS ROG Strix X570-F Gaming + RTX 2080 TI

I'm using a Logitech G810 keyboard with ASUS ROG Strix X570-F and I haven't encounter connectivity issues.
 
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I have a decent PC:

Asus Crosshair Hero VII (PCIe 3.0), AMD Ryzen 2700x, AMD Radeon VII 16GB HBM2, 32GB RAM, 1TB 3.5GB/s Samsung 970 Pro, 2TB SATA3 SSD, Windows 10 Pro, etc.
I, personally, would not consider that a decent pc (in 2019) even without using it for video encoding.
I might use it as a build machine or automated test machine at best but nothing critical path that my company/livelihood would rely on for speed.

I may be misinterpreting your post and you might be using it for personal use and not business critical actions.
 
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Your hardware is not even current-gen i.e. you compared old hardware against Intel's current 11th gen.

I didn't compare anything. Please read thoroughly to understand that RTX 2000's came at the same period and supported some of these codecs. Secondly this is for those trying to buy/build a new PC and use those PC's for rendering to know that the Ryzen 5000's and RDNA2 6000's still don't support these on a hardware level.

It's not a dead end and there are workarounds, now please progress to what's happening here. Long story short both AMD and Nvidia aren't good, with NVidia being better, but Intel is the best and seems to have licensed all of these and dedicated silicon space as well.

I, personally, would not consider that a decent pc (in 2019) even without using it for video encoding.
I might use it as a build machine or automated test machine at best but nothing critical path that my company/livelihood would rely on for speed.

I may be misinterpreting your post and you might be using it for personal use and not business critical actions.

Very low volume production here, not all business as well and one/two projects at a time. Only me doing the whole thing. For something big you are right.
 
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I didn't compare anything. Please read thoroughly to understand that RTX 2000's came at the same period and supported some of these codecs. Secondly this is for those trying to buy/build a new PC and use those PC's for rendering to know that the Ryzen 5000's and RDNA2 6000's still don't support these on a hardware level.

It's not a dead end and there are workarounds, now please progress to what's happening here. Long story short both AMD and Nvidia aren't good, with NVidia being better, but Intel is the best and seems to have licensed all of these and dedicated silicon space as well.

Very low volume production here, not all business as well and one/two projects at a time. Only me doing the whole thing. For something big you are right.
Rendering? Not with raytracing rendering. Video (DTV, Desktop Video) work is usually used terminology words like encoding and compositing.

I don't use Ryzen 5000s and RDNA2 6000 i.e. Blender 3D rendering is faster with RTX.
 

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Yup, learned it the hard way. I have a decent PC:

Asus Crosshair Hero VII (PCIe 3.0), AMD Ryzen 2700x, AMD Radeon VII 16GB HBM2, 32GB RAM, 1TB 3.5GB/s Samsung 970 Pro, 2TB SATA3 SSD, Windows 10 Pro, etc.

With shipping and shit it cost me around $3400 back then (2019). Well, as a DaVinci Resolve Studio 17 user mainly, AMD's garbage can't export in H.265 10-bit 4:2:2 (well, nVidia as well can't do both, it does 10-bit 4:2:0). Go for Intel, it has that in the silicon (11th Gen), hardware accelerated for up to 8K 10-bit 4:2:2 for H.265.
Your PC is not a "decent PC" since it's old for the "H.265 10-bit 4:2:2" workload. Ryzen 2700X Zen 1.5 doesn't have native 256-bit AVX 2 hardware.
 
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Was ages ago when you bought that setup, research before buying things! its also extremely out of date info in todays market
 
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If you say so, changed the OP for you.
It's old for the "H.265 10-bit 4:2:2" workload.

Intel added HEVC 10-bit 4:2:2 decoding and encoding acceleration in Ice Lake, Tiger Lake, and Rocket Lake Quicksync generation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Quick_Sync_Video

From https://developer.nvidia.com/video-encode-and-decode-gpu-support-matrix-new
NVIDIA Turing has HEVC 10-bit 4:2:2 decode acceleration.

My video interest only extends to Youtube video encoding and Youtube video ripping. If "H.265 10-bit 4:2:2" is a priority for your use case, buy Intel Rocket Lake.

PS; I have known MainConcept since the Amiga era.
 
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Well I learned harsh lesson by going 3700x and x570 on release....
1Min boot times, compatibility problems with a lot of software and some games, USB problems, weird cpu states, weekly bios updates... I shit you not, it is on F35 bios with many betas on the way.
only now it boots in 30 seconds, about similar as my old 2500k did. Still have problems with keyboard phantom inputs. Razer is so fucking stupid they have no idea how to release anything for Ryzen and it works perfect on Intel.

and the cherry on top? I could just get 10400f and have the same or better game performance for cheaper and on better platform.

OH and I had to get motherboard exchanged week1 as b450 was not enough for 3700x... And only booted sometimes.
it's all more or less ok now but it was miserable experience at times. Never buy new AMD products... Let them get patched first
Really? Something must be bad/marginal. It happens. My last Intel chip used in an HTPC had a bad iGPU that started failing 6 weeks after I bought it. That was a nightmare to troubleshoot and I still have it because the warranty support means no PC until they fucking test the CPU. Assholes. Regardless some defects escape and sometimes you get unlucky. You can't assume that experience defines the brand unless you think 1 data point defines a curve.

My launch 3700x/x570 booted up so fast at launch and still does with the 5900x in it. It is just a sub 200 buck mobo from ASRock. I did have those minor USB issues for a few weeks but the updated Bios fixed that along with adding resizable BAR and they were really minor for me, nothing more than a tiny drop in audio on wireless headphones.
 
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