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Software Sales (followed by lifetime sales)

  1. [NSW] Monster Hunter Rise (Capcom, 03/26/21) – 110,050 (1,884,113)
  2. [NSW] Super Mario 3D World + Bowser’s Fury (Nintendo, 02/12/21) – 16,536 (658,642)
  3. [NSW] Winning Post 9 2021 (Koei Tecmo, 04/15/21) – 11,839 (New)
  4. [NSW] Momotaro Dentetsu: Showa, Heisei, Reiwa mo Teiban! (Konami, 11/19/20) – 11,141 (2,112,646)
  5. [PS4] Winning Post 9 2021 (Koei Tecmo, 04/15/21) – 10,698 (New)
  6. [NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (Nintendo, 04/28/17) – 9,509 (3,783,621)
  7. [NSW] Ring Fit Adventure (Nintendo, 10/18/19) – 8,973 (2,510,422)
  8. [NSW] Minecraft (Microsoft, 06/21/18) – 8,957 (1,901,357)
  9. [NSW] Animal Crossing: New Horizons (Nintendo, 03/20/20) – 7,243 (6,735,163)
  10. [NSW] Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (Nintendo, 12/07/18) – 6,682 (4,242,726)
Rankings 11 to 30 will be announced on April 23.


Hardware Sales (followed by lifetime sales)

  1. Switch – 56,707 (15,735,989)
  2. Switch Lite – 37,350 (3,674,751)
  3. PlayStation 5 – 19,064 (534,073)
  4. PlayStation 5 Digital Edition – 3,031 (104,548)
  5. PlayStation 4 – 1,660 (7,779,737)
  6. New 2DS LL (including 2DS) – 498 (1,161,996)
  7. Xbox Series S – 405 (10,099)
  8. Xbox Series X – 140 (31,185)

 

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First week
MHW: 2410 pt / 1.350.412
MHR: 1843 pt / 1.302.132

Second week:
MHW: 332 pt / 223.274
MHR: 265 pt / 277.604

Third week:
MHW: 219 pt / 125.527
MHR: 185 pt / 194.327

Fourth week:
MHW: 84 pt / 85.322
MHR: 83 pt / 110.050

MHW: 3045 pt / 1.784.535
MHR: 2376 pt / 1.884.113




FAMITSU (physical)


[WIIU] Super Mario 3D World - 602.234
[NSW] Super Mario 3D World + Bowser’s Fury - 658.642

 

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Great PS5 numbers.

Just missed PS4 by a nose.
Next week is 100%.

Credits to Hiska-kun.




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|    |    PlayStation 4   |    PlayStation 5   |  Difference  |
|    |    (2014/02/22)    |    (2020/11/12)    |              |
|----|---------|----------|---------|----------|--------------|
|Week|  Weekly |    LTD   |  Weekly |    LTD   |   PS5 - PS4  |
|----|---------|----------|---------|----------|--------------|
| 21 |    6.731|   627.627|   20.755|   600.966|       -26.661|
| 22 |    5.865|   633.492|   15.560|   616.526|       -16.966|
| 23 |    5.177|   638.669|   22.095|   638.621|           -48|
| 24 |    5.243|   643.912|         |          |              |
| 25 |    5.030|   648.942|         |          |              |
| 26 |    6.314|   655.256|         |          |              |
| 27 |    5.405|   660.661|         |          |              |
| 28 |    5.757|   666.418|         |          |              |
| 29 |    6.373|   672.791|         |          |              |
| 30 |   22.213|   695.004|         |          |              |
|----|---------|----------|---------|----------|--------------|
 
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Last week everyone was blaming the lack of PS5 software sales on the idea that scalpers were buying all the PS5 hardware and selling it in other countries.

Is that still the case? If so, are these sales comparisons meaningful?
 

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Great that it does a bit less than a PS4 that also was considered sturggling at launch, lol. Vita was doing better :messenger_tears_of_joy:

Just say unit shortage and leave it at that if you want to appear like you're not a completely deranged fanboi, yet...

After the 50/50 guy, the great numbers guy :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
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After the 50/50 guy, the great numbers guy :messenger_tears_of_joy:
At least it'll be easy to claim PS6 is doing gangbusters next gen! We'll compare it to PS5 & PS4, ignoring those at launch represented a huge loss of Japanese users compared to 3 (PS4 took a decade to make up that difference), which represented a 50% loss from 2 & 1 ltd! True fans think ahead!
 
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Let's back at PS5 launch doom in these Famitsu's thread.
The fact it is doing great did hurt some I guess lol

Ohhhh it will probably pass Vita in few weeks too... the real comparison seems like if it can sell more than PS3 in the long term :pie_thinking:
 
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Last week everyone was blaming the lack of PS5 software sales on the idea that scalpers were buying all the PS5 hardware and selling it in other countries.

Is that still the case? If so, are these sales comparisons meaningful?
It's just a hypothesis really. We're trying to think of factors that could explain the big difference we are seeing between hardware sales and software sales for PS5.
 
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Sales data is indicating that to be true.
In UK where scalpers where ruling free were getting 2000-3000 units per shipment.

Japan that has strictly mensures and rules against scalpers are having 19k units per week being brought by them.

Looks, smells and feels like made up bullshit.... are you part of the FUD group?
C’mon.
 
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When will we see a PS5 game in the charts? how do you sell 19k consoles and not one game enters the top ten?

Something proper dodgy going on with these scalpers.
Judgement launches on PS5 next week so we could see a game chart then.
 

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Scalpers are keeping the consoles for themselves and not selling them for profit, those fucking idiots.
Imagine scalpers should have half a million consoles right now because physical games are not selling in a COVID-19 period lol

More people try to explain the bullshit scalper theory more it tells laughable.
 
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Imagine scalpers should have half a million consoles right now because physical games are not selling in a COVID-19 period lol

More people try to explain the bullshit scalper theory more it tells laughable.
The thing is, there is no better theory so far. No, covid is not a good theory, since physical Nintendo games still sell.
 

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I don't use theory... I just put facts on the table.
That is what is happening with consumer goods in Japan.


Imagine game that are essential digital.
Cool article. Still doesn't explain why physical Nintendo games sell well, while physical Sony games don't sell at all.
 

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Cool article. Still doesn't explain why physical Nintendo games sell well, while physical Sony games don't sell at all.
Switch digital increased a lot too... just look at Rise.
Plus near 20 million userbase vs 500k userbase.
Think a bit about.

In theory PS5 games will sell 40 times less than Switch games.
 
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That is exactly how user base works lol
I have no ideia how created that ideia that you can sell games without user base.

Consoles have a 10:1 hardware:software in lifetime... PS4 now has a record with around 11:1.
 
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Cool article. Still doesn't explain why physical Nintendo games sell well, while physical Sony games don't sell at all.
1. Claim that Switch domination of the top 10 is due to people buying fewer physical games and more digital during the pandemic

2. when asked for proof, post an article about grocery sales

3. when asked why this supposed move away from physical games wouldn’t also affect Switch games (thus having no effect on their relative ranking in the list), then say that Nintendo’s domination of the top 10 is purely due to the size of the install base.

Am I following this correctly?
 

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Software Sales (followed by lifetime sales)

  1. [NSW] Monster Hunter Rise (Capcom, 03/26/21) – 110,050 (1,884,113)
  2. [NSW] Super Mario 3D World + Bowser’s Fury (Nintendo, 02/12/21) – 16,536 (658,642)
  3. [NSW] Winning Post 9 2021 (Koei Tecmo, 04/15/21) – 11,839 (New)
  4. [NSW] Momotaro Dentetsu: Showa, Heisei, Reiwa mo Teiban! (Konami, 11/19/20) – 11,141 (2,112,646)
  5. [PS4] Winning Post 9 2021 (Koei Tecmo, 04/15/21) – 10,698 (New)
  6. [NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (Nintendo, 04/28/17) – 9,509 (3,783,621)
  7. [NSW] Ring Fit Adventure (Nintendo, 10/18/19) – 8,973 (2,510,422)
  8. [NSW] Minecraft (Microsoft, 06/21/18) – 8,957 (1,901,357)
  9. [NSW] Animal Crossing: New Horizons (Nintendo, 03/20/20) – 7,243 (6,735,163)
  10. [NSW] Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (Nintendo, 12/07/18) – 6,682 (4,242,726)

Alright folks, let us check if we can find a PS4/PS5 game in there.



OMG! There is ONE!!


 

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  • Switch – 56,707 (15,735,989)
  • Switch Lite – 37,350 (3,674,751)
This could be why.

That is exactly how user base works lol
I have no ideia how created that ideia that you can sell games without user base.

Consoles have a 10:1 hardware:software in lifetime... PS4 now has a record with around 11:1.
The issue with the userbase arguement is that even if we compare PS5 to consoles with similar userbases, the software sales are still low

I would say the main reason is the type of software that's been released on PS5 so far has not been Japan-friendly. But that will improve later on.
 

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The issue with the userbase arguement is that even if we compare PS5 to consoles with similar userbases, the software sales are still low

I would say the main reason is the type of software that's been released on PS5 so far has not been Japan-friendly. But that will improve later on.
Which comparison?
Show me games selling more than 5k units in 500k userbase outside launch week.
 
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Scalpers are keeping the consoles for themselves and not selling them for profit, those fucking idiots.
In the US scalpers seem to buy somewhere between 10 and 20 % of units, then they proceed to resell them in the US, Japan is a little different as scalpers will sell to gray markets of china or export to nearby neighbors without an official release, from what I've read they sell for like 3 times the price, so the incentive to scalp is really high,
how many are scalped, I don't know, the non-existent ps5 software certainly is odd, to say the least, but that doesn't mean the majority are being scalped or anything.
during the ps4 launch, consoles were still banned in China so we can't really use that as a reference, but nobody is sitting on them.
 

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Sales data is indicating that to be true.
This is humorous, but what if the Yakuza is buying these PS5 units, only to artificially inflate the hardware numbers?
lol

I mean....why buy a non-digital edition PS5, and not buy any games with it? It's very strange. I hope we'll get a reasonable answer soon. Something fishy is going on..
 
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Which comparison?
Show me games selling more than 5k units in 500k userbase outside launch week.

Sure.

Let's look at PS4 at week 10 2014: (hardware - 410,000)

[PS4] Knack - 17.272 / 393.348
[PS4] Yakuza: Ishin! - 9.265 / 114.271
[PS4] Battlefield 4 - 7.539 / 55.286
[PS4] Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition - 5.327 / 25.851

and Switch at week 11 2017 ( hardware - 441,000)

[NSW] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - 32.115 / 262.977
[NSW] 1-2-Switch 15.456 / 115.737
[NSW] Super Bomberman R <ACT> (Konami) {2017.03.03} (¥4.980) - 5.583 / 50.756

Now lets look at the latest sales we have for every PS5 game that has charted in the top 30 ever:

[PS5] Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales - 43.692
[PS5] Demon's Souls - 40.489
[PS5] Call of Duty: Black Ops - Cold War - 6.045
[PS5] Godfall - 5.342
[PS5] Assassin's Creed: Valhalla - 4.227
[PS5] Yakuza: Like a Dragon - 2.861
[PS5] Outriders 2.431
 

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Sure.

Let's look at PS4 at week 10 2014: (hardware - 410,000)

[PS4] Knack - 17.272 / 393.348
[PS4] Yakuza: Ishin! - 9.265 / 114.271
[PS4] Battlefield 4 - 7.539 / 55.286
[PS4] Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition - 5.327 / 25.851

and Switch at week 11 2017 ( hardware - 441,000)

[NSW] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - 32.115 / 262.977
[NSW] 1-2-Switch 15.456 / 115.737
[NSW] Super Bomberman R <ACT> (Konami) {2017.03.03} (¥4.980) - 5.583 / 50.756

Now lets look at the latest sales we have for every PS5 game that has charted in the top 30 ever:

[PS5] Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales - 43.692
[PS5] Demon's Souls - 40.489
[PS5] Call of Duty: Black Ops - Cold War - 6.045
[PS5] Godfall - 5.342
[PS5] Assassin's Creed: Valhalla - 4.227
[PS5] Yakuza: Like a Dragon - 2.861
[PS5] Outriders 2.431
Knack was bundled... it basically sold around the number of consoles shipped.

The numbers seems very close and it won’t enter in today TOP10 for exception of Yakuza: Ishin!. What the issue with the turn based Yakuza not getting love in Japan?

BTW Week 14 in 2014 was very close to launch in Japan.
 
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Knack was bundled... it basically sold around the number of consoles shipped.

The numbers seems very close and it won’t enter in today TOP10 for exception of Yakuza: Ishin!. What the issue with the turn based Yakuza not getting love in Japan?

BTW Week 14 in 2014 was very close to launch in Japan.
I was debating Knack but thought I'd put it in for completeness (thought you're right I should have added a disclaimer). Both those weeks for PS4 and Switch are close to launch in Japan but they needed to be as per your request of hardware not over 500,000.

Yes those games would not make the top 10 but they would make the top 30, and PS5 games are not doing that (outside on new launches and week 11 2021). By the time they hit 500,000 in hardware:

  • Switch and PS4 had multiple games that sold >5k at retail outside launch week. No PS5 game has ever sold more than 5k outside launch week
  • Switch and PS4 had multiple games that has sold over 100,000. PS5 doesn't have anything close

And for PS4 and Switch we're talking about timelines of a few weeks, whereas for PS5 we're talking months. The software situation is very different and its very clear that hardware is not the limiting factor, its the type of games being released.
 

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I was debating Knack but thought I'd put it in for completeness (thought you're right I should have added a disclaimer). Both those weeks for PS4 and Switch are close to launch in Japan but they needed to be as per your request of hardware not over 500,000.

Yes those games would not make the top 10 but they would make the top 30, and PS5 games are not doing that (outside on new launches and week 11 2021). By the time they hit 500,000 in hardware:

  • Switch and PS4 had multiple games that sold >5k at retail outside launch week. No PS5 game has ever sold more than 5k outside launch week
  • Switch and PS4 had multiple games that has sold over 100,000. PS5 doesn't have anything close

And for PS4 and Switch we're talking about timelines of a few weeks, whereas for PS5 we're talking months. The software situation is very different and its very clear that hardware is not the limiting factor, its the type of games being released.
We are talking about 2-3k difference here.
Digital is way better today than it was in 2014... that include COVID-19... the 2-3k difference to games enter in TOP10 or TOP30 is probably due the digital.

But hey when I evidence nobody shows anything solid just that minor differences.
 
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We are talking about 2-3k difference here.
Digital is way better today than it was in 2014... that include COVID-19... the 2-3k difference to games enter in TOP10 or TOP30 is probably due the digital.

But hey when I evidence nobody shows anything solid just that minor differences.
I assume you have the digital numbers then being strong?
 

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I assume you have the digital numbers then being strong?
We have the PS.Blog charts.
Plus more recent MH data from Capcom.

Digital purchase in Japan in 2014 was near non existent... today is around 30%... way lower than west that is over 60%... in 2020 62% of the games (not including DLC or expansions) sold on PS4 were digital.

But hey the scalpers (that ends in consumers hands that buys games) is a better narrative lol even when there is a small 500k user base in Japan.
 
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We have the PS.Blog charts.
Plus more recent MH data from Capcom.

Digital purchase in Japan in 2014 was near non existent... today is around 30%... way lower than west that is over 60%... in 2020 62% of the games (not including DLC or expansions) sold on PS4 were digital.

But hey the scalpers (that ends in consumers hands that buys games) is a better narrative lol even when there is a small 500k user base in Japan.
How did you get these around 30% numbers? Give me cold hard numbers man. You're not saying shit right now for a such a narrative you preach on so much.
 
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How did you get these around 30% numbers? Give me cold hard numbers man. You're not saying shit right now for a such a narrative you preach on so much.
Just check Monster Hunter Rise numbers... I even said it is one example.

Facts > scalpers narratives.
 
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Top 30 is here and not a single PS5 game on the chart.

Anyone one who thinks this isn't a scalping issues then you guys are spreading fake news.
It is not scalpers.
And even if it was the scalpers consoles ends in consumers hands that guy games anyway.

That scalper excuse is one of the worst bullshit narrative That ever remand in that forum.

It just makes no sense because it is impossible.
 
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