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Exclusives are objectively a good thing for the Industry, there should be more fully exclusive games.

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Nintendo could not compete on a hardware level with Sony and MSFT, so they turned to their exclusives and some novel ideas to survive and eventually thrive again.
Sony was down and out during the 7th generation and it was with exclusives they had their resurgence and were able to succeed
Having great exclusives on your platform should push other platform holders to make their own great exclusives to compete....
competition is good and therefor exclusives are good.

Exclusives are an area of competition between platform holders and platforms, the same as hardware specs and performance, accessories and services....
There has been a narrative recently that exclusives are 'bad' and are not needed anymore, yet this is a complete fallacy, aimed at cutting the legs from under PlayStation and Nintendos strongest assets.

People do not go around saying performance should be locked across platforms because it is unfair to have different settings.
People do not say services should all be the same and offer the same perks and games etc.

So why are people now trying to dictate what areas companies should compete on? and why have companies been gullible enough to fall for it....

In short, if you believe in competition, you should be supporting fully exclusive games on consoles otherwise you risk being a hypocrite.


Hermen Hulst for example is failing in his job, PlayStation has less exclusive content lined up than ever, less unique reasons to buy and less excitement from the core PS fans right now.
We expected many more acquisitions and announcements for expanding the 1st party....but all we get is Nixxes (Housemarque is small potatoes)....... he might as well have taken a dump on PS fans door step.

Hermen doesn't seem to understand the function of exclusive games, the reason they exist or their power and how easily that power is broken when you shatter the idea of exclusivity wit even a single port, the man must be a moron.
 

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Agree about exclusives.
Funny enough Nintendo Exclusives didnt do too well for them with the Wii U or Gamecube. The Switch saved them because its a handheld ( most the same exclusives on the Wii U didnt do too well, even Mario Kart )

But I do love Nintendo Exclusives alot, theres a special charm to them. I obviously love Playstation exclusives, they really took it to another level with the PS3 and PS4.
Sega had some of the best with the Megadrive, Saturn, and the Dreamcast had many many 1st party exclusives. Xbox exclusives also were awesome, Halo, Gears, KOTOR

About Hermit and WWS, Playstaion has been really quiet and I dont like it but they have released 7 top exclusives in 12 months, more than the competition combined.

Ghosts of Tsushima, TLOU2, Final Fantasy 7 Remake, Spiderman MM, Demon Souls, Returnal and Ratchet and Clank. Plus smaller ones like Astrobot, Allstars racing, Sack boy etc.Thats not a small amount.

And they have at least another 4 coming by the end of 2022: Final Fantasy 16, Gran Turismo 7, Horizon 2 and God of War Ragnarok. All huge games.

My problem is they havent announced anything new since last year September but Im sure they have alot cooking like Hermit said, they have like 20 games in developement with many new IP. I wouldnt worry. Just the communication has been awful
 
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I agree. Can't have everything everywhere. I mean, I definitely would buy and try more games if they were more available, but that's just how it goes. If it protects quality and developers, I'm all for it.

We need look no further than big companies that have become complacent to see where mediocre quality comes from. Ubisoft feels like one of those companies for me these days. I feel they have no sense of urgency that pushes themselves to the next level.
 
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Exclusive are great. But timed exclusive can fuck itself in the arse.
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Assuming this applies to both sony and MS? As in, you will be happy if MS buys more companies and makes their games exclusives?
you are not supposed to go there. easy up little bit satan. Chill out. We want to have a nice discussion. Not spawn them.
 
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I agree. Can't have everything everywhere. I mean, I definitely would buy and try more games if they were more available, but that's just how it goes. If it protects quality and developers, I'm all for it.

We need look no further than big companies that have become complacent to see where mediocre quality comes from. Ubisoft feels like one of those companies for me these days. I feel they have no sense of urgency that pushes themselves to the next level.
When you can work at a lazy level, but money keeps pouring in. They learned from activision very well.

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Netflix and all their ilk need to die.

But anyway, I suppose you owed me one for the comment I made about cloud..... haha
How else would sony make new IP?

Exclusive comes from competition. Without competition, you end up like xbox from x360 to x1.
 

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you are not supposed to go there. easy up little bit satan. Chill out. We want to have a nice discussion. Not spawn them.
I saw who made thread so i had to ask.:lollipop_horns: Im sure we can have a nice discussion. Right?:lollipop_tears_of_joy:
 
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How else would sony make new IP?

Exclusive comes from competition. Without competition, you end up like xbox from x360 to x1.
Without competition that would make every single game exclusive, no? Nintendo and later PlayStation used to have lots of third party exclusives, not because they paid for them but because the other available systems where not popular enough to be worth the investment, or they were technically incompatible (N64).
 
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Without competition that would make every single game exclusive, no? Nintendo and later PlayStation used to have lots of third party exclusives, not because they paid for them but because the other available systems where not popular enough to be worth the investment, or they were technically incompatible (N64).
When there is a strong competition, you need exclusive games to attract your system. Its why ps4 won. Hit after hit. Xbox couldnt get back on.
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We are seeing that on xbox now. Avowed, fable, perfect dark reboot, hell blade 2, outer worlds 2. Not counting Bethesda. They are heavily going strong in this generation. Compared to x360 jump to x1. Its day and night.
 

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Consoles can have their exclusives. More often than not they're made with the financial help of the platform holder from the beginning, so even if they weren't primarily a means to justify the purchase of expensive hardware and open up the platform further, I'd be fine with them existing.

Exclusives within the platform, can fuck right off. If I have a piece of hardware, no storefront on the platform should be able to dictate where I buy software for it from, unless it's directly from the software's creator. Just as importantly, no storefront should be able to dictate where creators can put their software, as it amounts to the same thing.
 
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Exclusives are always a good thing, any type of exclusive, best is permanent, period, a developer not having to worry about other platforms, as less as possible, just one is ideal and will allow them to develop their vision as close as possible
 
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When there is a strong competition, you need exclusive games to attract your system. Its why ps4 won. Hit after hit. Xbox couldnt get back on.
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We are seeing that on xbox now. Avowed, fable, perfect dark reboot, hell blade 2, outer worlds 2. Not counting Bethesda. They are heavily going strong in this generation. Compared to x360 jump to x1. Its day and night.
We're not seeing anything yet. Those games don't exist and their impact on sales/subs can't be measured until they come out. Future looks promising, but it's not like the Xbox One didn't have its share of exclusives and what did they do for it? What was the impact for sales by Halo 5, Forza Horizon 3, 4, Gears 4, Titanfall, Tomb Raider one year exclusivity, etc? Did the Xbone even crack 50 million units sold? MS never said a word. Game Pass launched in 2017 and for 3 long years it seems it did nothing for the Xbox One.

I think it's better to take a "wait and see" stand on Xbox for now. They have a long way to go.
 
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We're not seeing anything yet. Those games don't exist and their impact on sales/subs can't be measured until they come out. Future looks promising, but it's not like the Xbox One didn't have its share of exclusives and what did they do for it? What was the impact for sales by Halo 5, Forza Horizon 3, 4, Gears 4, Titanfall, Tomb Raider one year exclusivity, etc? Did the Xbone even crack 50 million units sold? MS never said a word. Game Pass launched in 2017 and for 3 long years it seems it did nothing for the Xbox One.

I think it's better to take a "wait and see" stand on Xbox for now. They have a long way to go.
The road map is enough for it. You know those games will come out. The same thing happened to playstation. They advertised The last of us 2 early, and released in 2020.

Xbox series is already selling 6m consoles as of now. They are of to a good start, and gamepass is helping this generation.

Xbox one was already doomed on launch.

With such an attitude, Gamepass couldnt save it at all. The brand was tarnished. It went under the ground. And people who were x360, quit xbox, and went to ps4. That dude mishandled xbox 1st party so bad, that they only had 5 devs.

Sony with 13 devs managed to make enough exclusives. And all we know, are Hzd, Ghost tsushima, last of us2, uncharted 4, spiderman, days gone. The rest were mid tier or outside devs. Even Spiderman was from insomniac, before they got bought. What do you expect 5 devs to do for xbox.

Timed exclusive on xbox one was bad. Their reputation was getting bad. They had to put titanfall 2 on ps4.

The xbox one was the most distatrous console in the gaming history. If werent for Xbox one S and One X, and Phil spencer, Xbox brand would have been dead on the spot.

As for gamepass, it is already at 18m on February 2021. in 3 years, they beat Psnow, and now are almost half of ps+.
 

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exclusive should always exist if we want good games.
Without exclusivity, we wont get GOW, we wont get ghost of tsushima, we wont get TLOU, we wont get the good AAA spiderman game.

AAA exclusive needs MAJOR FUNDING and MANAGEMENT from big corporations, which will be very hard to be done by your average game studios.
 

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The road map is enough for it. You know those games will come out. The same thing happened to playstation. They advertised The last of us 2 early, and released in 2020.

Xbox series is already selling 6m consoles as of now. They are of to a good start, and gamepass is helping this generation.

Xbox one was already doomed on launch.

With such an attitude, Gamepass couldnt save it at all. The brand was tarnished. It went under the ground. And people who were x360, quit xbox, and went to ps4. That dude mishandled xbox 1st party so bad, that they only had 5 devs.

Sony with 13 devs managed to make enough exclusives. And all we know, are Hzd, Ghost tsushima, last of us2, uncharted 4, spiderman, days gone. The rest were mid tier or outside devs. Even Spiderman was from insomniac, before they got bought. What do you expect 5 devs to do for xbox.

Timed exclusive on xbox one was bad. Their reputation was getting bad. They had to put titanfall 2 on ps4.

The xbox one was the most distatrous console in the gaming history. If werent for Xbox one S and One X, and Phil spencer, Xbox brand would have been dead on the spot.

As for gamepass, it is already at 18m on February 2021. in 3 years, they beat Psnow, and now are almost half of ps+.

Again your acting like all those new titles are going to all be home runs. And Nintendo and Sony have a better track record when it comes to quality.

Only time will tell,
 

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They are objectively bad and for one good reason.

You are tying game titles to specific hardware configs, and that's a disaster for game preservation.

Are we really pushing for this when, not too long ago, Sony almost pulled the plug on PS3 and Vita? What is to become of all those exclusives?
 

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Again your acting like all those new titles are going to all be home runs. And Nintendo and Sony have a better track record when it comes to quality.

Only time will tell,
and yet, you are denying those title their right to be hyped. Do you do the same for Sony upcoming games?

This is strawman argument you are using. Just because Sony is good at something, doesnt mean they cant fail. and just because Xbox is bad at something, doesnt mean they will fail.

These games are much different than your Sony games.
Avowed is on the universe of pillars of eternity. https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/pillars-of-eternity
Hell blade 2 https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/hellblade-senuas-sacrifice
Fable reboot is based on this universe https://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox/fable
Perfect dark reboot is based on this game https://www.metacritic.com/game/nintendo-64/perfect-dark

These are good games. Yet you think they are gonna be a flop. Aside of perfect dark and fable, those games are being developed by the same studios. Does MS owning them, make them shit?
 

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They are objectively bad and for one good reason.

You are tying game titles to specific hardware configs, and that's a disaster for game preservation.

Are we really pushing for this when, not too long ago, Sony almost pulled the plug on PS3 and Vita? What is to become of all those exclusives?

They wouldn't exist in the first place if not for the platform holders needing to sell hardware. You are not thinking about it logically.....you are using a separate issue 'game preservation' to say having exclusives are bad. Makes no sense.....
Game preservation can be handled in multiple ways.....
 
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I don't think the issue is with Hermen and Jim. The people that put them in power are the ones that are pushing for this direction [crossgen and console exclusives]. That's why they removed the previous CEOs. EXTRA Money became the priority over [creativity and wow-factor]. Their argument is that a decent amount of that extra money is going into investments and bigger projects and allowing developers more [developing time]. But even if that's true[i believe them], it is still very sad and very disappointing. They sacrificed the feeling of next gen and exclusivity and they will regret it if they push it for too long. What they are doing makes a lot of sense but it is a gambling strategy. They are digging for gold inside the foundation of their home. Well it's their business so whatever. It is still better than the alternatives.. They extended this gen into 8 years cycle in purpose..

Just imagine if every year we had at least 1 or 2 real exclusives in [pc+ps5+seriesx] pushing their own unique hardware. I'm sure we would be in a balanced and healthy place. But they all decided to go the extreme path.
 
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and yet, you are denying those title their right to be hyped. Do you do the same for Sony upcoming games?

This is strawman argument you are using. Just because Sony is good at something, doesnt mean they cant fail. and just because Xbox is bad at something, doesnt mean they will fail.

These games are much different than your Sony games.
Avowed is on the universe of pillars of eternity. https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/pillars-of-eternity
Hell blade 2 https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/hellblade-senuas-sacrifice
Fable reboot is based on this universe https://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox/fable
Perfect dark reboot is based on this game https://www.metacritic.com/game/nintendo-64/perfect-dark

These are good games. Yet you think they are gonna be a flop. Aside of perfect dark and fable, those games are being developed by the same studios. Does MS owning them, make them shit?

I never said you can't be hyped. Obsidian is a proven studio with a good track record. Avowed and outer worlds 2 will be great. But playground have never made anything as ambitious as fable reimagined. Initiative is brand new studio,
What people are trying to tell you is with known studios like state of decay guys, they have made 2 games with state of decay and they don't compare in quality/polish compared to other games by Sony's smaller studios. Granted sod games are a fraction of budget.
Sony has literally put out last of us part 2, ghost, miles morales, demons souls, astronomy, sackboy, ratchet, mlb and Returnal all within 12 months.

That's what we are talking about when it comes to track record and quality.
Granted sometimes you get stinkers like destruction all stars. But the rest of that slate is super impressive, and looking at horizon:fw it looks like another high quality entry.
We have not seen anything from Microsoft outside of flight simulator, psychonaughts 2.
Even games Microsoft signs like the medium are not good. Meanwhile Sony signs games like Kena that you can tell by gameplay/animation is quality.

Microsoft has created a great foundation with purchase of Bethesda, obsidian, ninja theory ect.
But we need to see the gameplay to make at least some judgement if the quality in those titles coming in next couple years are going to work out.

Fyi everwild restarted project wise. So that game is in the wind.
 
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The only thing exclusives have shown is they are nothing but sucker versions. The best version of the game is when it is released (exclusives) out to everyone. Thanks for testing.
 

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They wouldn't exist in the first place if not for the platform holders needing to sell hardware. You are not thinking about it logically.....you are using a separate issue 'game preservation' to say having exclusives are bad. Makes no sense.....
Game preservation can be handled in multiple ways.....

1st party exclusives are a necessary evil, because there has to be some incentive for gamers to buy the hardware. That doesn't mean I have to like the console business model and agree that exclusives are in any way 'good'. Your argument is that it's good for competition, but there are plenty of big game publishers competing for your dollar without the need to sell hardware.

When you make a game exclusive to a closed platform, game preservation 100% becomes an issue, and I do not trust Sony and Nintendo to handle it the right way. Thus far, they have not.
 

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I never said you can't be hyped. Obsidian is a proven studio with a good track record. Avowed and outer worlds 2 will be great. But playground have never made anything as ambitious as fable reimagined. Initiative is brand new studio,

What people are trying to tell you is with known studios like state of decay guys, they have made 2 games with state of decay and they don't compare in quality/polish compared to other games by Sony's smaller studios. Granted sod games are a fraction of budget.

Sony has literally put out last of us part 2, ghost, miles morales, demons souls, astronomy, sackboy, ratchet, mlb and Returnal all within 12 months.

That's what we are talking about when it comes to track record and quality.

Granted sometimes you get stinkers like destruction all stars. But the rest of that slate is super impressive, and looking at horizon:fw it looks like another high quality entry.

We have not seen anything from Microsoft outside of flight simulator, psychonaughts 2.

Even games Microsoft signs like the medium are not good. Meanwhile Sony signs games like Kena that you can tell by gameplay/animation is quality.

Microsoft has created a great foundation with purchase of Bethesda, obsidian, ninja theory ect.

But we need to see the gameplay to make at least some judgement if the quality in those titles coming in next couple years are going to work out.

Fyi everwild restarted project wise. So that game is in the wind.
Xbox had 5 devs. They started building their studios from 2018 to 2020. You cant expect them to send out all their games super fast.

Did you just compare the medium, to kena, a game which havent even come out? A game which literally is low quality studios, compared to what the Medium was dealing with? The game is a ps4 game. While the medium is a next gen game. Have you seen the medium graphics? this is medium
By your logic, Forza5 wont have same quality as HZD. This game by the way
Or this game
I would have to stop here. no point in continuing our discussion. Sorry man. All I see is just too much praise from sony, to the point that used an indie ps4 game, that havent come out and compare it to medium a next gen console game, which is by the way coming to ps5 now.
 

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I think current Playstation has the right mindset and strategy :
  • Release full PS5 exclusives for games that requires it (Returnal, Rift apart, etc.)
  • Release crossgen exclusives for games that already have an optimized PS4 engine (GoW Ragnarok, Horizon Forbidden West, etc.) There's a 10$ upgrade path PS4>PS5. Those games will still look sublime on PS5.
  • Port last gen PS4 games to PC (games that are no longer selling on PS consoles).
Like I've stated in another thread you cannot directly compare Sony and Microsoft with what Nintendo's doing.

Nintendo is the only console manufacturer that profit greatly from the sales of the hardware, plus are the only ones in the handheld market that are also very geared towards kids/family friendly.
 

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In the future GAAS will be bundled like the old cable and satelite . HBO SHOWTIME and GAMEPASS? pay 399.99 a month for your first year.
Next tear up adds Cartoon Network Disney+ and Playstaion Now for only 149.99 a month more. for a total of 599.99 US dollars per month. It's a steal.
 

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I think current Playstation has the right mindset and strategy :
  • Release full PS5 exclusives for games that requires it (Returnal, Rift apart, etc.)
  • Release crossgen exclusives for games that already have an optimized PS4 engine (GoW Ragnarok, Horizon Forbidden West, etc.) There's a 10$ upgrade path PS4>PS5. Those games will still look sublime on PS5.
  • Port last gen PS4 games to PC (games that are no longer selling on PS consoles).
Like I've stated in another thread you cannot directly compare Sony and Microsoft with what Nintendo's doing.

Nintendo is the only console manufacturer that profit greatly from the sales of the hardware, plus are the only ones in the handheld market that are also very geared towards kids/family friendly.
People will get tired of god of war, and halo soon. Pokemon, legend of zelda, Mario are the oldest running franchise. You can basically make a universe out of these games. Mario has golf, mario kart, mario paper, regular mario games, mario maker. That is just alot of mario genre, from 1 series. Pokemon has that too.
With these hits, Nintendo are set for life.

Sony and Xbox wont have the same game running all days. Kratos is going to retire soon. Master chief is 50 years old, and infinite seems to be like his last journey. They dont have any other long running franchise. Sony burned last of us bridge, by killing the icon of last of us series. Gears Marcus is old battered soldier. Spiderman might go for a while, but with Miles in the picture, how long will it run? Uncharted is on sleep. They desperately need new faces now.
 
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Xbox had 5 devs. They started building their studios from 2018 to 2020. You cant expect them to send out all their games super fast.

Did you just compare the medium, to kena, a game which havent even come out? A game which literally is low quality studios, compared to what the Medium was dealing with? The game is a ps4 game. While the medium is a next gen game. Have you seen the medium graphics? this is medium
By your logic, Forza5 wont have same quality as HZD. This game by the way
Or this game
I would have to stop here. no point in continuing our discussion. Sorry man. All I see is just too much praise from sony, to the point that used an indie ps4 game, that havent come out and compare it to medium a next gen console game, which is by the way coming to ps5 now.

Bloober team is indie? Ember labs are indie. Kena though coming out also on PS4 will have next gen features.

But anyway let's not draw straws. I was saying we still have to wait and see with Microsofts titles like perfect dark, fable evt. Sony and Nintendo have shown year over year , gen over gen a more reliable track record.

Your account was literally created this month it's obvious you can't be objective.

Microsoft puts out quality software, just not at as consistent level as Nintendo and Sony and for that to change narrative wise we have to wait on their newest investments.

That's all anyone is really saying and your just spewing stuff.
 
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Exclusives are the worst part of the industry and should be completely abolished. They do not benefit you - the consumer - in any meaningful way. They directly contribute to man-child list wars.... nothing else.

Compete on services/features/QOL/hardware instead. Microsoft is on the right track with their game pass initiatives, but they haven't gone all the way yet.
 

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Exclusives are the worst part of the industry and should be completely abolished. They do not benefit you - the consumer - in any meaningful way. They directly contribute to man-child list wars.... nothing else.

Compete on services/features/QOL/hardware instead. Microsoft is on the right track with their game pass initiatives, but they haven't gone all the way yet.

People buy mac's for their exclusive software. Stop being an idiot. Exclusives exist in everything.

It breeds competition. It's been around since arcades. You just want freedom, for that we have pc.

But making a game for specific hardware/software config has a good amount of benefit's. Like great optimizations that really can create unique design opportunity as opposed needing to have a more broad development because your game has to be on everything.
 

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I disagree, less exclusives mean more competition between games .. not hardware.. sales won’t be persuaded or based off of your “ team “ preference but the games itself, and that breeds better and broader selection of games.