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That sounds like something a dumbass would say. Not everyone with an IPhone knows these things, hence why they are in multiple lawsuits currently, all over the world. Only a dumbass would assume everyone should know you can't own a product, despite paying over a thousand.


I'm glad you keep using my car example, because no one in their right mind would be ok with having to spend more money to get something fixed, than being able to do it themselves. Especially if they are a mechanic themself. Imagine not being able to do a simple thing like a oil change, without rendering your vehicle useless by doing an oil change? Imagine being so stupid to actually support this kinda behavior?! Not everyone knows you can't do certain things with their IPhone, but they shouldn't be dumbasses to support this kinda behavior. It's anticonsumer. Anyone supporting this is a tool.
Your car example is beyond stupid, hence his comment about you being a dumbass. Nobody in their right mind would be buying a kit that is.....NOT COMPATIBLE with their car.

There are other stores you can go to for iphone repairs, not just Apple stores. You really are a tool.
 

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Your car example is beyond stupid, hence his comment about you being a dumbass. Nobody in their right mind would be buying a kit that is.....NOT COMPATIBLE with their car.

There are other stores you can go to for iphone repairs, not just Apple stores. You really are a tool.
You can't be that dumb? What about those who bought batteries or displays, touch id's for their phones, that were in fact compatible. But apple rendered the device useless because they weren't apple authorized? Come on now, don't be a dumbass here. These are real life examples. You should know about this. "Everyone knows about this, only dumbasses arent aware, as they should have done their research."

Ironic how "everyone should know", works against you? Can't be the sharpest tool with very limited arguments and complete fanboyism. Id hate to be that stupid honestly, but then again, that's why Apple IS facing several lawsuits. No matter how much you cheerlead for apple, those crocodile tears won't help them in court.
 
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Do you not see how dumb your argument is? Just BUY a whole different product? Any other product can be repaired and doesn't purposely make their product non repairable, doesn't sue companies that make repairable items, and doesn't take down guides in the internet that show how to repair said item. Are you an apple employee by any chance? You seem to side with the dumbasses that retain this stupid logic, of lack thereof. I never understand the people that support anti consumerism, unless they actually work for the company. As matter a fact employees don't act this senseless, you'd have to be upper level to think this dumb. Are you upper level by any chance?
Look. You have product A, and you have product B.
You want to be able to repair the product by yourself, and you want to be able to customise the product.
Product A doesn't let you do these things, but product B does.
For some reason, in all your wisdom, you decide to buy product A instead of product B.
How are you not a dumbass in such a scenario? But hey, let's assume you actually are a smart guy, and you just made an honest mistake.
Well guess what? You can sell product A, and go get product B instead, because it does the things that you want it to do.

Furthermore, if enough people feel the same way, then product A will lose enough business to product B that they change their product so they can remain competitive.
This is why we have competition. This is why we have different products using different tactics and business strategies, providing different services, competing against other products.
This is why we do not like monopolies, because they don't allow competition.
 

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Look. You have product A, and you have product B.
You want to be able to repair the product by yourself, and you want to be able to customise the product.
Product A doesn't let you do these things, but product B does.
For some reason, in all your wisdom, you decide to buy product A instead of product B.
How are you not a dumbass in such a scenario? But hey, let's assume you actually are a smart guy, and you just made an honest mistake.
Well guess what? You can sell product A, and go get product B instead, because it does the things that you want it to do.

Furthermore, if enough people feel the same way, then product A will lose enough business to product B that they change their product so they can remain competitive.
This is why we have competition. This is why we have different products using different tactics and business strategies, providing different services, competing against other products.
This is why we do not like monopolies, because they don't allow competition.
Without sounding like a dumbass, please tell me how any of what you said helps the consumer. Especially from a repair standpoint. It seems I struck a nerve even mentioning repair, and not even getting into detail about this lawsuit.

But go ahead and explain how this helps the every day consumer like you or I? I'm interested to see how you'll somehow twist something anti-consumer into something pro-sumer. Let's assume you have a little common sense, despite your previous posts, so I'll wait for your spin on this.
 

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You can't be that dumb? What about those who bought batteries or displays, touch id's for their phones, that were in fact compatible. But apple rendered the device useless because they weren't apple authorized? Come on now, don't be a dumbass here. These are real life examples. You should know about this. "Everyone knows about this, only dumbasses arent aware, as they should have done their research."

Ironic how "everyone should know", works against you? Can't be the sharpest tool with very limited arguments and complete fanboyism. Id hate to be that stupid honestly, but then again, that's why Apple IS facing several lawsuits. No matter how much you cheerlead for apple, those crocodile tears won't help them in court.
What the fuck are you talking about now? You made a stupid comment not even knowing that there are other shops that can repair iphones. Now you are just making shit up. The dumb one is you buddy.
 
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What the fuck are you talking about now? You made a stupid comment not even knowing that there are other shops that can repair iphones. Now you are just making shit up. The dumb one is you buddy.
Are you retarded? Apple or apple authorized shops ONLY. Where can the average Joe buy any part to replace his device on his own free time? Please show examples that won't brick his device or remove functionality from his device, by doing his own repair. You can't be this fucking obtuse. There's no Fucking way you don't know these things. Other dude said people obviously know these things, yet here you are fitting the "dumbass" description be made about how anyone using apple products knows these things, yet here you are, not knowing these things. Y'all need to get some consistency together!
 
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Are you retarded? Apple or apple authorized shops ONLY. Where can the average Joe buy any part to replace his device on his own free time? Please show examples that won't brick his device or remove functionality from his device, by doing his own repair. You can't be this fucking obtuse. There's no Fucking way you don't know these things. Other dude said people obviously know these things, yet here you are fitting the "dumbass" description be made about how anyone using apple products knows these things, yet here you are, not knowing these things. Y'all need to get some consistency together!
Ahhh here comes the personal attacks now. You were the first one mentioning about not able to go to any car mechanic to have your car fixed and only authorized dealerships. Now you are changing it to where you can’t buy the products to fix it yourself. You really don’t even know what you were arguing about in the first place. And you’re still wrong, there are shops outside of authorized dealers that can repair iphone. Go google or google map that before you continue to make a fool out of yourself.
 

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Without sounding like a dumbass, please tell me how any of what you said helps the consumer. Especially from a repair standpoint. It seems I struck a nerve even mentioning repair, and not even getting into detail about this lawsuit.

But go ahead and explain how this helps the every day consumer like you or I? I'm interested to see how you'll somehow twist something anti-consumer into something pro-sumer. Let's assume you have a little common sense, despite your previous posts, so I'll wait for your spin on this.
Since you seem to be unable to grasp the idea that people might *want* phones or cars that, among other things, can't be modified or repaired, because they have no intentions of doing those things by themselves, let's go a bit larger and more dangerous.

Helicopters. Automated helicopters.

Say we're in a future where personal auto-piloted helicopters are common, but the know-how and tools for operating and maintaining them by hand are about the same as today.

How many people, do you think, would bother to want a helicopter that can be freely flown, modified or repaired by hand, if neither they nor any of the people they know have the slightest idea of how to do so, nevermind the requisite tools and materials? If the alternative is to have one that is locked down, but is instead known for being reliable, popular, and hard to tamper with - which is important because they're SOL without the autopilot?


The market exists for these things. If you can't grasp helicopters either, how about MRI machines? Nuclear reactors? How far up the tech tree do I have to go with examples to drive the point home that to some people an iPhone might as well be a magic glowing slab that shows pictures, and they're completely fine with having to go to the wizard's house to fix it if it breaks down? It's not a device you buy with intent to modify it. It's a device you buy with intent to use it as-is, always has been. If you want something you can tinker with, you buy something else - you can find far better hardware for far cheaper outside of the Apple ecosystem.
 
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Ahhh here comes the personal attacks now. You were the first one mentioning about not able to go to any car mechanic to have your car fixed and only authorized dealerships. Now you are changing it to where you can’t buy the products to fix it yourself. You really don’t even know what you were arguing about in the first place. And you’re still wrong, there are shops outside of authorized dealers that can repair iphone. Go google or google map that before you continue to make a fool out of yourself.

Yes there are, but google for example Louis Rossman on YT. He covers this stuff greatly.
I don't know if anything got changed, but in the beginning, you totally could buy the fingerprint sensor for the newest iphones, but even if you did the repair yourself, because of hardware locks by Apple, you could NOT switch the button. If you did so, the device figured it out and disabled the button anyway or refused to boot up. So no, even with the knowledge on how to do it properly and executing it properly, you were still locked out by repairing it yourself and had to go to Apple for them to do it. There was no way around this issue back in the day.
Like I said, I don't know if that changed by now, but this is the way it was for some time.
 
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They we're a monopoly.
They have broken ZERO LAWS, my friend.
Laws against CARTELS were introduced only POST FACTUM.
And the reason they were introduced, was "in the name of the public interest".

I won't shift this discussion into "what constitutes a monopoly". We are talking about principles which shape legislation here, not some puny statement in some puny law in a single country.
 

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They have broken ZERO LAWS, my friend.
Laws against CARTELS were introduced only POST FACTUM.
And the reason they were introduced, was "in the name of the public interest".

I won't shift this discussion into "what constitutes a monopoly". We are talking about principles which shape legislation here, not some puny statement in some puny law in a single country.

You brought anti-trust etc. into this not me.
Anti-trust is not about laws, just like you said, but about a company in a market dominant position ie. a monopoly, using it's power to either halt free market competition or uses illegal actions to enforce it's dominant position.

Apple is doing neither with its cellphones. They neither are in a position to dictate the complete mobile market nor are they even trying to.
You always say "public interest" like you would think it's for "the private poor consumer", but we both know "public interest" means also other company competition so that prices are competitive again and innovation is driven.
"Public interest" is not about shielding the poor private consumer from exploitation, but to drive innovation among other things.

And you don't have to shift the discussion into "what constitutes a monopoly" because Apple is no monopoly, that's why your "but but anti-trust!?" argument is worth nothing in this topic.
Come back to this thread once you actually understand what this is all about. All I can do for you is give you a hint: "It's not about Apple being a monopoly".
 

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Ahhh here comes the personal attacks now. You were the first one mentioning about not able to go to any car mechanic to have your car fixed and only authorized dealerships. Now you are changing it to where you can’t buy the products to fix it yourself. You really don’t even know what you were arguing about in the first place. And you’re still wrong, there are shops outside of authorized dealers that can repair iphone. Go google or google map that before you continue to make a fool out of yourself.
A mechanic doesn't equal authorized dealer! That's where you keep being beyond incorrect, over and over! No wonder you can't for the life of you understand the concept, cause you can't read. Go back and figure out why this is hard for you to understand. I said a mechanic or fixing yourself. You can't do that with Apple, as I've said several times now, your only choice is apple/authorized dealer. Now do you get it?! Unless you want a non working device because Johnny isn't authorized, you are SOL.

Since you seem to be unable to grasp the idea that people might *want* phones or cars that, among other things, can't be modified or repaired, because they have no intentions of doing those things by themselves, let's go a bit larger and more dangerous.

Helicopters. Automated helicopters.

Say we're in a future where personal auto-piloted helicopters are common, but the know-how and tools for operating and maintaining them by hand are about the same as today.

How many people, do you think, would bother to want a helicopter that can be freely flown, modified or repaired by hand, if neither they nor any of the people they know have the slightest idea of how to do so, nevermind the requisite tools and materials? If the alternative is to have one that is locked down, but is instead known for being reliable, popular, and hard to tamper with - which is important because they're SOL without the autopilot?


The market exists for these things. If you can't grasp helicopters either, how about MRI machines? Nuclear reactors? How far up the tech tree do I have to go with examples to drive the point home that to some people an iPhone might as well be a magic glowing slab that shows pictures, and they're completely fine with having to go to the wizard's house to fix it if it breaks down? It's not a device you buy with intent to modify it. It's a device you buy with intent to use it as-is, always has been. If you want something you can tinker with, you buy something else - you can find far better hardware for far cheaper outside of the Apple ecosystem.
Come on man... Helicopters? It's a phone. And why would anyone want something that can't be repaired, or things that fall under "planned obsolescence". There's a reason Right to Repair rings a bell. Apple makes it literally impossible for you to fix your own stuff. Each year it gets worse and worse, and to be honest most people would rather have the option to being able to get it fixed anywhere, than not. It's silly to actually believe that any normal human would prefer to just buy a new phone for something that could easily be fixed.

The ability to repair the devices doesn't mean you need to be a tinkerer, as you can take it to any cell phone repair shop. It doesn't have to be apple/apple authorized, which means you aren't paying exuberant mark up prices for the parts or exuberant prices for the labor. Why would anyone not want all of these options again?
 
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Anti-trust is not about laws, just like you said, but about a company in a market dominant position
No, you have missed the point.
Standard Oil didn't break any laws THAT HAVE EXISTED BACK THEN.

So in your unrealistic take on the world view, there was no problem, all legit.
Don't want to pay for expensive gas? Sell your own cheaper one.
Or walk.
Or use a bike.
So what.

Laws are not coming out of thing air, they are based on PRINCIPLES.
The core principle in here is INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC.

No fuck is given about filthy corps, when considering "vs public interests" angle (well, it is in practice, but it is called corruption)
 
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No, you have missed the point.
Standard Oil didn't break any laws THAT HAVE EXISTED BACK THEN.

So in your unrealistic take on the world view, there was no problem, all legit.
Don't want to pay for expensive gas? Sell your own cheaper one.
Or walk.
Or use a bike.
So what.

Laws are not coming out of thing air, they are based on PRINCIPLES.
The core principle in here is INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC.

No fuck is given about filthy corps, when considering "vs public interests" angle (well, it is in practice, but it is called corruption)

No, you have missed the point.
The issue with Standard Oil, as you say it yourself, was not the Law, it was antitrust.
They have been a monopoly, in a market dominant position and were accused of using their power to prevent a healthy free market competition, this is why they got split up.
They were a monopoly and have been actively working in a way to prevent competitors from gaining market share to stay a monopoly.

And they were not sanctioned but they were split up into smaller companies.
So even if we follow your logik, Apple get's split up, it won't change that one company that will come out of the split will be the mobile branch and it's contracts will not change, because there is no issue with them.
Just like Standard Oil was broken up into smaller companiy's that continued to operate as they did when they were Standard Oil, just smaller scaled.

I think you are not even understanding what you are arguing with.

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Or even Split up Apple into Apple West and Apple East. They will then have to compete against each other, but they might also just as well say "fuck it" and just stay in their geographic region and continue to take a 30% cut.
Anti-trust cannot and will not do anything against that then. They will be smaller company's but their contracts and agreements are not in breach with any law and will stay in place just like they are right now.
 
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A mechanic doesn't equal authorized dealer! That's where you keep being beyond incorrect, over and over! No wonder you can't for the life of you understand the concept, cause you can't read. Go back and figure out why this is hard for you to understand. I said a mechanic or fixing yourself. You can't do that with Apple, as I've said several times now, your only choice is apple/authorized dealer. Now do you get it?! Unless you want a non working device because Johnny isn't authorized, you are SOL.
Holyshit, you are beyond stupid. I never said mechanic = authorized dealer. And again you are wrong. You don’t need an apple/authorized dealer to fix iphones. There are regular shops that do this fine, you know like a mechanic, a NON AUTHORIZED shop. You are a hopeless chap. :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 

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Holyshit, you are beyond stupid. I never said mechanic = authorized dealer. And again you are wrong. You don’t need an apple/authorized dealer to fix iphones. There are regular shops that do this fine, you know like a mechanic, a NON AUTHORIZED shop. You are a hopeless chap. :messenger_tears_of_joy:
So my front facing camera gets cracked, where can I go for example? I want my IPhone to be fixed for less than the quoted $540 from Apple. What are my options? Since you seem to not understand the basics of this concept, I'll break it down.

If I go to some random non authorized shop, sure they can fix it. But I'll lose out on using faceID. You know, which was the whole point of getting it repaired in the first place! For trying to have the facade of being smart, you end up doing quite the opposite.

A non authorized Apple repair will leave users not being able to use security functionalities like faceID and touchID for purchases and locking/unlocking the device. How do you not know this yet is beyond my comprehension. Again, this is why I keep mentioning RIGHT TO REPAIR. You don't have that right, hence one of their ongoing court cases recently.
 
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Holyshit, you are beyond stupid. I never said mechanic = authorized dealer. And again you are wrong. You don’t need an apple/authorized dealer to fix iphones. There are regular shops that do this fine, you know like a mechanic, a NON AUTHORIZED shop. You are a hopeless chap. :messenger_tears_of_joy:

FYI in a lot of European countries it's Illegal for car brands to refuse service if you had the car fixed in a third party shop. When in warranty, you can have yearly service (oil, filters, etc) in any provider. Any parts under warranty must, of course, be covered by the brand. When out of warranty, car brands cannot prevent the third party "non authorized" garages from buying parts to fit in your machine (which is exactly what apple does).

That said, Apple actively prevents the resale of parts so that they can suck their users dry with overpriced (and often shit quality) repairs or "refurbished" devices.
 
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So my front facing camera gets cracked, where can I go for example? I want my IPhone to be fixed for less than the quoted $540 from Apple. What are my options? Since you seem to not understand the basics of this concept, I'll break it down.

If I go to some random non authorized shop, sure they can fix it. But I'll lose out on using faceID. You know, which was the whole point of getting it repaired in the first place! For trying to have the facade of being smart, you end up doing quite the opposite.

A non authorized Apple repair will leave users not being able to use security functionalities like faceID and touchID for purchases and locking/unlocking the device. How do you not know this yet is beyond my comprehension. Again, this is why I keep mentioning RIGHT TO REPAIR. You don't have that right, hence one of their ongoing court cases recently.
And i told you before, you can go to iphone repair shops that aren’t authorized. Go google that shit instead of making shit up. There’s also videos on YouTube on how to repair face recognition. Take the L champ.
 
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The issue with Standard Oil, as you say it yourself, was not the Law, it was antitrust.
How hard is it to comprehend this statement, huh?
THERE WERE NO ANTITRUST LAWS BACK THEN, mkay?
 

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How hard is it to comprehend this statement, huh?
THERE WERE NO ANTITRUST LAWS BACK THEN, mkay?

LOL.
"In 1909, the U.S. Justice Department sued Standard under federal antitrust law, the Sherman Antitrust Act of 1890, for sustaining a monopoly and restraining interstate commerce by"

How can you go balls deep on your argument without even reading a single line on what the hell you're talking about.

"The Sherman Antitrust Act of 1890[1] (26 Stat. 209, 15 U.S.C. §§ 17) is a United States antitrust law which prescribes the rule of free competition among those engaged in commerce. It was passed by Congress and is named for Senator John Sherman, its principal author."

So let me write this down for you, so even you understand it.
1890 Antitrust laws passed Congress.
1904 Standard Oil was dragged to court for illegal price fixing which was in breach with said 1890 Antitrust law.

Can you read and understand the numbers? Standard was split up because it violated antitrust. Antitrust was there before Standard was split up, not after it's split.

Can
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And i told you before, you can go to iphone repair shops that aren’t authorized. Go google that shit instead of making shit up. There’s also videos on YouTube on how to repair face recognition. Take the L champ.
Why don't you Google how to get faceID or touchID working again after you perform these repairs? You're constantly taking L's this entire conversation lol. You haven't proven anything, besides looking like a complete tool.

Point is your can't get it working properly, unless you go straight to apple. You can't just get an unauthorized repair done, and things go back to normal, because they don't. Which myself and the other guy literally just told you. But no, you somehow think you proved me wrong lol. Jokes on you, as your now gonna try to weasel your way out of another L.
 

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Why don't you Google how to get faceID or touchID working again after you perform these repairs? You're constantly taking L's this entire conversation lol. You haven't proven anything, besides looking like a complete tool.

Point is your can't get it working properly, unless you go straight to apple. You can't just get an unauthorized repair done, and things go back to normal, because they don't. Which myself and the other guy literally just told you. But no, you somehow think you proved me wrong lol. Jokes on you, as your now gonna try to weasel your way out of another L.


Oh look, you can even buy face id / touch id repairs on ebay if you don’t want to go inside a shop. Take the L, champ.
 

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Imagine buying a badass car, and you wanna mod it even further. You buy the parts for the car, like coilovers, turbo, etc. Then your mechanic days there's no way to install these mods. Like at all. Imagine buying a device at full price, and being told you can't do x,y,z to said device. You can't even do an oil change yourself, even if you wanted to, because this manufacturer doesn't want you so DIY. Let's just vouch for this shitty company.
You should have purchase a car that allow mods if you wanted a modded car.

BTW you purchased a electric car that doesn’t need oil change... why do you want to change oil?
 

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Oh look, you can even buy face id / touch id repairs on ebay if you don’t want to go inside a shop. Take the L, champ.
You can repair it, but it won't fucking work as it should. I've said this several times now. Just because you can slap a replacement part, doesn't mean it will work. The OS will not let you make secure payments, unlock/lock the phone with faceID, or use bank apps with your face/fingerprint. How many more times do I need to say it before you finally comprehend it?


Apple basically bricks your phone from certain things, unless you take it to them directly. What's the point in fixing a broken camera, if I still can't use faceID after I purchased one from your eBay links? You can't be that dense. You can keep the L.
 
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Without sounding like a dumbass, please tell me how any of what you said helps the consumer. Especially from a repair standpoint. It seems I struck a nerve even mentioning repair, and not even getting into detail about this lawsuit.

But go ahead and explain how this helps the every day consumer like you or I? I'm interested to see how you'll somehow twist something anti-consumer into something pro-sumer. Let's assume you have a little common sense, despite your previous posts, so I'll wait for your spin on this.
I have literally no ideia what you are talking a about.

Do you think being able to side load apps or repair yourself (btw you can with iPhone) helps consumers? lol
 
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Are you retarded? Apple or apple authorized shops ONLY. Where can the average Joe buy any part to replace his device on his own free time? Please show examples that won't brick his device or remove functionality from his device, by doing his own repair. You can't be this fucking obtuse. There's no Fucking way you don't know these things. Other dude said people obviously know these things, yet here you are fitting the "dumbass" description be made about how anyone using apple products knows these things, yet here you are, not knowing these things. Y'all need to get some consistency together!
Man you have no idea lol

I repaired two iPhones just buying the parts and doing the repair myself... well the first one I actually messed, broke the contacts and never worked again but you put the bill in my inexperience... the second one works flawless even today.

I have no issue repairing iPhones myself.

There is no authorized Apple shop in most cities... any cellphone repair shop to iPhone repairs just fine.
 
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I have literally no ideia what you are talking a about.
You never have a clue about what anyone talks about ethomaz ethomaz . Water is wet, nothing new.


"With Face ID on the iPhone you will have to have the original Face ID components from your original display. It is not uncommon for some repair shops to damage these components when they are transferring them to the new display as they are fairly easy to damage if you are not being careful.

So if they didn’t transfer the original Face ID components from your display, or if they were damaged when it was replaced then it won’t be possible to get Face ID back on your phone to my knowledge. This is because those parts are paired to your logic board on the phone, the only way to get it back would be potentially repairing the original Face ID components and there are not many places that would be able to do this."


So if some of my components are damaged, hence why I would be going in for a repair, I would be screwed, as faceID won't ever work for me, unless I take it directly to apple. Do you understand finally?
 

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You never have a clue about what anyone talks about ethomaz ethomaz . Water is wet, nothing new.


"With Face ID on the iPhone you will have to have the original Face ID components from your original display. It is not uncommon for some repair shops to damage these components when they are transferring them to the new display as they are fairly easy to damage if you are not being careful.

So if they didn’t transfer the original Face ID components from your display, or if they were damaged when it was replaced then it won’t be possible to get Face ID back on your phone to my knowledge. This is because those parts are paired to your logic board on the phone, the only way to get it back would be potentially repairing the original Face ID components and there are not many places that would be able to do this."


So if some of my components are damaged, hence why I would be going in for a repair, I would be screwed, as faceID won't ever work for me, unless I take it directly to apple. Do you understand finally?
Because security.
If you can change the Face ID sign by yourself anybody can enter your iPhone and get your confidential data.
It is like a digital certificate... imagine if you can change it yourself lol you can change it and use as being another person.

Imagine a dude just replacing your Face ID with his own Face ID to steal your credit cards... that is why the Face ID hardware is signed to works only in the original iPhone.

Yeap damage doing yourself happens in any cellphone even Androids.
 
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Because security.
If you can change the Face ID sign by itself anybody can enter your iPhone and get your confidential data.
No, because it would fall back to password/pin. So after unblocking your phone via pin, why cant i retrain my faceID, now that the device has been "repaired"? What was the point in forking out any money for repairs, to be in the same predicament? Nothing was accomplished. The better question is, why does Apple do this?

They have a history of this, spanning over several of their devices. If you look up planned obsolescence, you'll see articles about Apple all over. As matter a fact, Apple is just a sheisty company as a whole, and I'm sorry if that's going to trigger you or other Apple fanboys, as y'all are way worse than any other fanboys. Tax evasion, planned obsolescence, trying to patent a rectangle!? The list goes on and on.

Can't wait for Epic to get a slam dunk.
 
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No, because it would fall back to password/pin. So after unblocking your phone via pin, why cant i retrain my faceID, now that the device has been "repaired"? What was the point in forking out any money for repairs, to be in the same predicament? Nothing was accomplished. The better question is, why does Apple do this?

They have a history of this, spanning over several of their devices. If you look up planned obsolescence, you'll see articles about Apple all over. As matter a fact, Apple is just a sheisty company as a whole, and I'm sorry if that's going to trigger you or other Apple fanboys, as y'all are way worse than and other fanboys. Tax evasion, planned obsolescence, trying to patent a rectangle!? The list goes on and on.

Can't wait for Epic to get a slam dunk.
You really have no ideia lol

Apple does that for security... each Face ID camera hardware is signed to work only with the original hardware... so a malicious guy can’t replace the Face ID to have direct access for your iPhone using his own face.

So your are protected if you lose or have stole your iPhone.

I mean you really don’t like what Apple does but a lot of guys including the corporate world like it... because security is way more important that have the ability to repair with a insecure Face ID part.

So your dumb points are just dumbs.
 
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You really have no ideia lol
Says the guy who hasn't refuted not one single claim that I've made. You sure proved me wrong lol. That's one reason I don't like arguing with fanboys, because they rely on emotion driven responses. Logic completely goes out the window, and here we are seeing it in person. Why don't you make a point, prove me wrong, or do/say something useful?
 

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Says the guy who hasn't refuted not one single claim that I've made. You sure proved me wrong lol. That's one reason I don't like arguing with fanboys, because they rely on emotion driven responses. Logic completely goes out the window, and here we are seeing it in person. Why don't you make a point, prove me wrong, or do/say something useful?
I just explained why it is like that.
It is logical the reason why the Face ID part is signed to original iPhone hardware.
You not liking it is just crybaby talk.
 
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Do you think everyone with an IPhone realizes it's not really "their" phone? So all of those people are dumbasses, like you presume right? So you realize these people are just as smart as the dumbasses that assume everyone knows everything about their phone? You know, these users are doctors, scientists, researches, that have more knowledge than YOU? That's why they are currently in this predicament.

If you buy something, you technically should own that product. You shouldn't have small print that says otherwise. That's an asshole move.

You should be careful with the giant assumptions than, if that's something that bothers you. Where is the evidence that Apple is having an issue in regards to its own customers, I don't see Apple users complaining much. They just install whatever they want from the app store and are done with it.
 
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I just explained why it is like that.
You not liking it is just crybaby talk.
You didn't explain anything, as matter a fact, you were 100% incorrect. You would still need to enter a pin. Your phone doesn't suddenly become open for anyone to go through all of your info. I would hope you would know that already... But maybe not...

I'll ask you again, if my front camera, flood illuminator, or faceID module broke, how could I get it repaired to work just as good as new again? The only way is through Apple. That was literally the whole point, but some of y'all just can't accept it.


The average person doesn't have licensed equipment coupled with Apple's up to date database of paired logic board serials, or the ability to transfer info to a different board. Not even 3rd party unauthorized repair shops have access to this. And you would need that in order to fix the iPhone.


Instead of acting like a younger person, why not refute anything I'm saying? Or is that asking for too much?
 

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You didn't explain anything, as matter a fact, you were 100% incorrect. You would still need to enter a pin. Your phone doesn't suddenly become open for anyone to go through all of your info. I would hope you would know that already... But maybe not...

I'll ask you again, if my front camera, flood illuminator, or faceID module broke, how could I get it repaired to work just as good as new again? The only way is through Apple. That was literally the whole point, but some of y'all just can't accept it.


The average person doesn't have licensed equipment coupled with Apple's up to date database of paired logic board serials, or the ability to transfer info to a different board. Not even 3rd party unauthorized repair shops have access to this. And you would need that in order to fix the iPhone.


Instead of acting like a younger person, why not refute anything I'm saying? Or is that asking for too much?
You probably lacks the ability to read what others posted because I already explained and addressed your concerns.

Like I expained PIN is not related with the security issue... if you can change and use any Face ID hardware in your phone then that open to any malicious person to replaced with a Face ID hardware hacked and open your phone.

You don't need PIN to open your phone... you just needs to make the Face ID recognize your face.
That is exactly why the Face ID parts are hardware signed to not be used in others iPhones.
 
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How hard is it to comprehend this statement, huh?
THERE WERE NO ANTITRUST LAWS BACK THEN, mkay?

I don't know what you are on about, but Sherman Antitrust happened before US vs. Standard Oil. In this country we don't apply laws retroactively, I'd certainly hate to live somewhere where that happened. In order to be charged with a crime you need to break a law that's on the books the day the event happened, not a new law that came about 20 years later.

Now legislation can be written with certain end results in mind, and certainly Sherman appeared to be designed to allow action to be taken against Standard Oil and American Tabaco, but still, it wasn't retroactive. The legislation was signed into law and then the cases came after that (because the companies were now found in violation of the new law).

Sherman Antitrust Act = 1890
US vs. Standard Oil = 1909
 
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You probably lacks the ability to read what others posted because I already explained and addressed your concerns.
So in essence, you basically have no fucking clue. Could've just said that instead of proving it to me. Especially since you are doubling down about being incorrect lol. Never change ethomaz ethomaz , you're like a meme to GAF at this point. Still got love for you though.
 

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So in essence, you basically have no fucking clue. Could've just said that instead of proving it to me. Especially since you are doubling down about being incorrect lol. Never change ethomaz ethomaz , you're like a meme to GAF at this point. Still got love for you though.
Exactly you have no ideia what are you talking about.

You know the reason the others Face ID parts won't work on your iPhone without have a new resign (only done buy these with the master key... in the case Apple) but you will continue the weird narrative.

Security is more important for iPhone users than the ability to change the Face ID hardware themselves.

Remember why that exists:


Even FBI can't open iPhones to read the user personal data unless they manage to guess the password.
They ended using a Australian company to break into a security hole to unlock that old iPhone but it doesn't work in models after 5S... so they still doesn't have the ability to open iPhones ;)
 
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In this country we don't apply laws retroactively
Certainly not against humans.

Sherman Antitrust happened before US vs. Standard Oil.
Oh, that's so shocking.
You mean laws that where used against Standard Oil have been applied AFTER they have been introduced?
Amazing, how could that possibly have worked? Oh wait.

Standard Oil existed since 1870. Sherman Act happened in 1890, at times, when SO was one hell of a juggernaut.
And, oh wait, what has happened in that same year:

The Standard Oil group quickly attracted attention from antitrust authorities leading to a lawsuit filed by Ohio Attorney General David K. Watson.


By 1890, Standard Oil controlled 88 percent of the refined oil flows in the United States.

I'm so very very shocked.


The state of Ohio successfully sued Standard, compelling the dissolution of the trust in 1892.


Doing mental gymnastic to whitewash a filthy corporation, what the heck is wrong with this world...

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Certainly not against humans.


Oh, that's so shocking.
You mean laws that where used against Standard Oil have been applied AFTER they have been introduced?
Amazing, how could that possibly have worked? Oh wait.

Standard Oil existed since 1870. Sherman Act happened in 1890, at times, when SO was one hell of a juggernaut.
And, oh wait, what has happened in that same year:

The Standard Oil group quickly attracted attention from antitrust authorities leading to a lawsuit filed by Ohio Attorney General David K. Watson.


By 1890, Standard Oil controlled 88 percent of the refined oil flows in the United States.

I'm so very very shocked.

Right, that's the way it works. Which is not how you initially described it at all.

They weren't tried on violations that happened before 1890, only those afterwards. Keep in mind too, that it didn't matter what percentage of the market they had, because having a monopoly isn't illegal in and of itself in the United States, even after the Sherman Act. The company in question needs to use their monopoly to rig the game against their direct competitors, thus it took the US nearly 20 years to get the decision on Standard Oil, and even a little longer vs. American Tobacco.
 
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They were in violation of the law at the very second it was introduced.
The law effectively outlawed them.
They were successfully sued by Ohio state using that very law.

Stop being pathetic.

As I said, it was known in 1890 that the Sherman Act was basically designed to allow action against Standard Oil and American Tabaco because those names came up 100s of times in the initial hearings. If both companies had dropped all of their anti-competitive behaviors the day the Sherman Act had passed they would have been fine. The law was not retroactively applied there.

Again, I'm not sure what any of this has to do with this court case, because the courts don't make laws in this country they only interpret the existing ones. So unless there is some weird laws being formulated in the house/senate that I'm not aware of this doesn't really apply here.
 
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If both companies had dropped all of their anti-competitive behaviors
Something COMPLETELY LEGAL until that very act.
Rules have CHANGED to go after companies which were 100% legal at that point.

I don't think you understand what you are even arguing against.

Oh wait:
I'm not sure what any of this has to do with this court case
Because someone has made "why is nobody thinking about poor filthy corporations" argument.

Laws are shaped BY HIGHER LEVEL PRINCIPLES. One of them, one that is super relevant to this thread, is "interests of the public".
 

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Something COMPLETELY LEGAL until that very act.
Rules have CHANGED to go after companies which were 100% legal at that point.

I don't think you understand what you are even arguing against.

Oh wait:

Because someone has made "why is nobody thinking about poor filthy corporations" argument.

Laws are shaped BY HIGHER LEVEL PRINCIPLES. One of them, one that is super relevant to this thread, is "interests of the public".

I think it's you that is having the comprehension problem. Everyone understands that when the laws change everyone needs to fall in line. In modern times a law change that could have sweeping effects on the GDP or be destabilizing for business in general will include a period of time before the law becomes effective after passage, to allow business the time needed to operate as they should under the new law.

Could a law be created that makes Apple's 30% cut illegal, sure. But there doesn't appear to be anything coming along that could accomplish that at this point. The current Epic vs. Apple case can't create that, a ruling in favor of Epic would need to be based on the existing laws (and thus, any such verdict would be painted with the broadest of brushes). So theories of the possibilities of future laws are pointless, just like all conjecture about things big bad businesses could do but haven't yet. None of that is reality today.
 
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I tried to talk to him and show him where he is wrong. He does not want to see it.
He has a weird issue where he cannot fathom that the company was split up because of illegal market manipulation by anti-trust and that doesn't fit his agenda apparently on top of having nothing to do with the current case with Epic.
 

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I tried to talk to him and show him where he is wrong. He does not want to see it.
He has a weird issue where he cannot fathom that the company was split up because of illegal market manipulation by anti-trust and that doesn't fit his agenda apparently on top of having nothing to do with the current case with Epic.

He really seems hung up on that Ohio case that apparently had very little effect on Standard Oil, basically it just moved them from Ohio to NJ and NY. Really wasn't a Sherman case either. From the little you can find about it, the Ohio case was mostly just based on common law monopoly/anti-comp provisions in Ohio, hence why SO stayed rolling until 1909. Seems completely off topic for the thread, but I will say I did get some enjoyment from looking this stuff up. LOL
 
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I tried to talk to him and show him where he is wrong. He does not want to see it.
He has a weird issue where he cannot fathom that the company was split up because of illegal market manipulation by anti-trust and that doesn't fit his agenda apparently on top of having nothing to do with the current case with Epic.
If I may, it seems both sides are arguing different points. You seem focused on the low-level specifics of that particular case, versus the illustration of new laws being introduced retroactively as a high-level point on principles.

For mine, the crux of the argument is whether the three dominant platform holders in Windows, iOS and Android are too influential in global market economics to be tantamount as public utilities or not. They have unrivaled positions of power as gatekeepers. Without going down this particular rabbit hole, did we want Apple, Google, and Amazon to flex their collective muscle and say Parler as a business is not entitled to exist?

To not be allowed in the App store instantly deprives your product or service of access to over a billion users. I fail to see this as an arbitrary figure that is laughable.