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Emulation on the Deck
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SpongebobSquaredance
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I prefer to do my own rom dumps.
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SpongebobSquaredance
Unconfirmed Member
There is no alternative except dumping the Roms by yourself. As long as there is no alternative that provides a service as good or better than what the privates offer, this won't change as piracy is a service problem.
And to be honest, I am happy that Rom-Sharing exists because otherwise a significant part of gaming history would be lost already. Most companies aren't good at preserving gaming history, most are pretty bad at it and some are absurdly bad at it like Nintendo. Therefore, it is good that it is in the hands of the community.
We also shouldn't pretend that everyone who emulates is poor or doesn't want to pay for games.
https://www.ivir.nl/publicatie…l-Online-Piracy-Study.pdf
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Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
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SpongebobSquaredance
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Even that is kinda a grey area and depends from country to country, which is a shame.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
True dat
Ritsumei2020
Report me for console warring
Really?
cireza
Banned
You actually don't have a clue about this.
But just in case, I think we should take to court everyone who buys a Deck immediately after they hit the "order button", in case they emulate the Switch, and don't have one nor the games they emulate.
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MrFunSocks
Banned
Sure, but I’m saying that’s not what’s going to be happening. Thought that was pretty obvious.
Fredrik
Member
I’d say that there are more important things to be concerned about in life than if emulated games are pirated or backups.
And in the end I’m gonna be bold and assume that the Switch emulation talk in Steam Deck discussions is mostly theoretical and about what the hardware is capable of doing rather than that people are dreaming of playing Switch games on the go on another 7” 720p portable.
And in the end I’m gonna be bold and assume that the Switch emulation talk in Steam Deck discussions is mostly theoretical and about what the hardware is capable of doing rather than that people are dreaming of playing Switch games on the go on another 7” 720p portable.
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SpongebobSquaredance
Unconfirmed Member
I see Wii U being possible but Switch emulation is still in its infant years.
GamingArena
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SpongebobSquaredance
Unconfirmed Member
Yuzu makes great improvements I see.
MrFunSocks
Banned
There are more important things in life to be concerned about than video games, so I guess we shouldn’t ever mention them then, right?
Not to mention again, people are saying the Deck is straight up more powerful than the 1060 at any resolution.
fersnake
Member
Heimdall_Xtreme
Jim Ryan Fanclub's #1 Member
Incoming ps2 and ps3 games to steam deck??? Can be possible?
rnlval
Member
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Ryzen_processors#Zen_2_based_2
Steam Deck,
CPU: Ryzen Zen 2 with 4C/8T 2.5 Ghz to 3.5 Ghz, similar to Ryzen Pro 3 4450U
GPU: RDNA v2 8 CU at 1.6 TFLOPS FP32, roughly equivalent to 2 TFLOPS FP32 Vega GCN. Steam Deck beats Ryzen 7 4700U's Vega 7 (1.433 TFLOPS Vega) and Ryzen 7 4980U's Vega 8 (1.998 TFLOPS).
RAM: 128 bit LPDDR5-5500 (88 GB/s) beats 128 bit DDR4-3200 (51.2 GB/s) by 71.8%, not factoring RDNA's "Delta Color Compression Everywhere" superiority.
Steam Deck implements quad-channel LPDDR5-5500X 32bit.
Dual-channel LPDDR4X-4266 32 bit yields 35 GB/s similar to Ryzen 5 2500U's 128 bit DDR-2400 (38.4 GB/s).
128 bit LPDDR5-5500 (88 GB/s) beats dual-channel LPDDR4X-4266 (35 GB/s) by 151%.
AMD iGPUs are bottlenecked by memory bandwidth when compared to dGPU counterparts.
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Fredrik
Member
There certainly are but I just don’t see the point in the emulation=piracy talk, you’re just dropping in with a bunch of assumtions about a whole group of people you don’t actually know anything at all about, your talk will literally be based on nothing unless every single person you assume things about will tell you how it actually is.
MrFunSocks
Banned
The point was that it's pretty clear that the large majority of the people shouting "yesssss now i can play switch games how they should be, not like how the shitty underpowered switch plays them! suck that nintendo!" do not in fact have a Switch and did not pay for switch games, they'll be pirating them. That's fine, but it's people pretending that it's not the case is the problem.
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Fredrik
Member
I haven’t seen anyone saying this and you can’t possibly know that they don’t have a Switch or the games.
To me it just sounds like standard excitement to play at a higher fps. Happens everytime there is an exclusive 30fps Playstation and Xbox game coming to PC as well. Lots of people who are excited about such releases are returning customers.
Porcile
Member
Nice if it can play Dolphin, but emulation is a tad overrated as a feature. It's nice to have like backwards compatibility but how many people are playing emulated games beyond the novelty of getting these games up and running? That seems to be the fetish for most people in the emulation scene.
Neogaf is part of the emulation scene as far as Nintendo games go. Actually playing on Nintendo hardware seems to be gauche.
Porcile
Member
Yes, everyone here is playing their brand new Switch games emulated and playing GBA games all day. I am sure the vast majority of people could count on one hand the games they have completed via emulation. Let's face it, what people like is the novelty of getting games running on alternative devices and building ROM libraries that they will never ever play.
Esppiral
Member
Given the CPU I suppose it will be able to emulate the PS3 and Xbox 360 to some extent, but the console that interest me the most is the original Xbox
Fredrik
Member
Yeah it’s niche and mostly for nostalgic old farts like me, but I love it, emulation can be awesome on the right hardware. Hard to know how it’ll be on the Deck though. The most common problem with emulation is the input. How is the D-Pad?
Shubh_C63
Member
Idk. I tried running emulator for Mario Odyssey on 1060 Ti, i5 9300H (laptop) and it was just..ok. Not 60fps or not free of performance issues.
Zelda however runs like a dream. So I doubt emulator on Steam Deck's CPU can handle Nintendo-AAA games.
sunnysideup
Banned
Emulation is only as good as the emulator.
some systems still dont have a good emulator. Like ps2
some systems still dont have a good emulator. Like ps2
Sean Mirrsen
Banned
I never touched a real N64 or PS2, I only played on a PS1 at a friend's house, I sold my Megadrive after a few years and never saw the 32x expansion, the only tape player that could jack into my Delta-S spectrum-clone stopped working a decade ago and I never had more than the two cassettes for it that I originally got it with, and the only console I played for any length of time and with any variety was the NES - and even then it was a clone called a Dendy. For handhelds, I briefly had a loaned original Gameboy, and later had a GBA SP of my own. Never got a DS, never saw a GameGear.
Most of my experience with those platforms, most of the games I played from all of them - all of the games I played, for some of them - was through emulators.
I believe you'll find there are entire swathes of people you don't know, whose only exposure to gaming classics that rival many modern offerings, was through emulators. Just because they couldn't afford the real deal, or never had it available in their country until it was far too late.
kiphalfton
Member
People who don't get paid to develop software (i.e. the emulator) can't get it to run as well as the native hardware (i.e. the Nintendo switch).
I'm SHOCKED!
kiphalfton
Member
What are you talking about. PCSX2 works fine. You're probably talking about Xbox.
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People in these topics are claiming the Deck can run Switch games better than the Switch.
Sean Mirrsen
Banned
Weaker handheld PCs than the Deck can already run Switch games as well as the Switch, so...
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Deleted member 820760
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OMG! Am I the only one who read the title as "Emulation on the Dick" lololololol!!!1
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
Emulation probably won't improve frame rate much, but it can improve resolution and image quality.
Rudius
Member
You could buy Switch games just to pay the developers and play the emulated copies on Deck. That's not feasible for old emulated systems, but the Switch is different.
Kenpachii
Member
Lol at those idiots with there piracy remarks.
1) its perfectly legal, these guys write there own software.
2) u have no clue what people are doing, u assuming shit is you assuming shit. And says more about yourself then the other guy.
3) nobody cares about if somebody rips its game or not, or if they own it or not.
4) nobody on PC cares about nintendo's feelings anyway, they have no market presence there and people will provide on PC themselves if the company doesn't do it.
5) there is absolute no proof in any way that piracy if it even happens, impacts sales for a manufacturer. ( PC gaming generates ~30b a year almost as much as all consoles combined, and even with the juggernaut success called classic, its clear people pay and this is proven over and over again. Before dumb asses start to chant this.
6) U want people to care on PC about nintendo's feelings, release the games on PC. U don't? people will provide for themselves. Welcome to PC where gamers don't take shit for granted.
The only shit i see in this thread about people bitching about piracy, are salty as fuck switch owners that realize how much of a dud there handheld really is. When a handheld can emulate your games in the same gen on another handheld at better solutions. It's laughable bad.
And all u got to thanks for it is nintendo's absolute lack of progress and it bites them in the ass hard with there last oled version. If the switch pro or switch 2 would be deck specs + steam support, everybody and there mom would applaud them for it. But the company is so far backwards with everything, not a single fuck was given.
1) its perfectly legal, these guys write there own software.
2) u have no clue what people are doing, u assuming shit is you assuming shit. And says more about yourself then the other guy.
3) nobody cares about if somebody rips its game or not, or if they own it or not.
4) nobody on PC cares about nintendo's feelings anyway, they have no market presence there and people will provide on PC themselves if the company doesn't do it.
5) there is absolute no proof in any way that piracy if it even happens, impacts sales for a manufacturer. ( PC gaming generates ~30b a year almost as much as all consoles combined, and even with the juggernaut success called classic, its clear people pay and this is proven over and over again. Before dumb asses start to chant this.
6) U want people to care on PC about nintendo's feelings, release the games on PC. U don't? people will provide for themselves. Welcome to PC where gamers don't take shit for granted.
The only shit i see in this thread about people bitching about piracy, are salty as fuck switch owners that realize how much of a dud there handheld really is. When a handheld can emulate your games in the same gen on another handheld at better solutions. It's laughable bad.
And all u got to thanks for it is nintendo's absolute lack of progress and it bites them in the ass hard with there last oled version. If the switch pro or switch 2 would be deck specs + steam support, everybody and there mom would applaud them for it. But the company is so far backwards with everything, not a single fuck was given.
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nkarafo
Member
I wouldn't bet on emulating Switch games at full speed on the Deck.
Also, the emulator is far from mature. Can it even play half of the Switch games? And how many bugs and glitches do these games have if they are compatible?
Emulation is hard people. All these older system emulators you take for granted needed a lot of years to mature, some even decades and they are still not 100% compatible/accurate.
Also, the emulator is far from mature. Can it even play half of the Switch games? And how many bugs and glitches do these games have if they are compatible?
Emulation is hard people. All these older system emulators you take for granted needed a lot of years to mature, some even decades and they are still not 100% compatible/accurate.
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People are showing videos of systems dramatically weaker than Steamdeck like the Aya Neo running Super Mario Odyssey at 60fps
sunnysideup
Banned
nkarafo
Member
Ok. How about other games?
Old Raspberry Pi3s can run Mario 64 at full speed but good luck managing Conker on the same emulators/settings.
Some games are easier to emulate than others. Some games may also be heavily targeted by the emulator authors, like how BOTW was the target for CEMU and the game played great, even though most others had all sorts of issues.
Look, i'm not saying the Deck isn't going to be able to do it but knowing about emulation, my expectations are low.