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Elden Ring might be one of the most overrated games ever!

LOL. Let's throw a stupid helmet on Draugr. Wow, it's like a totally different game!

Meanwhile...all of this without any formal DLC.




Cool. I'd also like to point out that some of the retreads you're listing aren't even mandatory bosses, so you're basically complaining about a retread showing up in an optional dungeon. Unlike Skyrim, of course, where every single boss encounter in a dungeon was a unique snowflake. :messenger_grinning_smiling::messenger_grinning_smiling::messenger_grinning_smiling:
I think you aren't getting my point at all mate.

Yeah, those bosses are optional. Fighting and optional boss and then finding out that the super cool mandatory main boss has the same model fucking sucks.

And yeah, Skyrim has much worse enemy variety, never said otherwise. I was just using it as an example of how an eleven year old game could bother giving some differentiation to the different tiers of enemies inside the same species, while ER couldn't.

I hope I made my point clearer this time.
 

22•22

Doesnt need recognition
Just put up an ad to trade Fire Emblem Awakening for Metroid Dread. We'll see.

Lol wrong thread.
 
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YoungEmperor96

Neo Member
I'm talking success in design, not sales, the latter ofc were massive and in any case I'm happy for From.
Oh yeah I also agree there should be some activities other than combat. For me, I want two things:
- Interact NPCs: I want more NPCs, side quests. I really think the mini-dungeons wouldn't be boring if they linked to the side quest. For example, an NPC wants you to find a treasure in a cave, or rescue someone in catacomb. I think it's better than finding and discovering random. You don't need all of them, but you should have a few.
- Puzzles: Yeah if there were some mini-dungeons based on puzzles, or the platform would feel more varied than pure combat
That's all. I don't need hunting, fishing, fetch quest,... too filler
 

Ogbert

Member
On the difficulty point, late stage Mario levels are harder than Souls.

The way to make Souls easier is turn the volume down. The sound and aesthetics do a very good job of making you think the game is far harder than it actually is.

And Mario does the opposite.
 
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Bitmap Frogs

Mr. Community
On the difficulty point, late stage Mario levels are harder than Souls.

The way to make Souls easier is turn the volume down. The sound and aesthetics do a very good job of making you think the game is far harder than it actually is.

And Mario does the opposite.

Mario games get deceptively tough... some of the stars in galaxy and galaxy 2 are infuriating!
 

Claus Grimhildyr

Vincit qui se vincit
I think you aren't getting my point at all mate.

Yeah, those bosses are optional. Fighting and optional boss and then finding out that the super cool mandatory main boss has the same model fucking sucks.

And yeah, Skyrim has much worse enemy variety, never said otherwise. I was just using it as an example of how an eleven year old game could bother giving some differentiation to the different tiers of enemies inside the same species, while ER couldn't.

I hope I made my point clearer this time.

And yet those “Super cool mandatory bosses” have unique movesets and animations. Welcome to video games where people reuse the same models and skeletal rigs to save space and time. I figured you would have realized this years ago, but welcome to video games.
 
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NeoIkaruGAF

Gold Member
The open world is boring because it‘s not really there for you to explore. Well, in theory it is. In practice, any joy you could have in exploring it is destroyed by anything that moves being so, so very intent on killing you because of reasons. It’s like what some people say women go through every day: merely existing? Well, the whole world is against you because of it. All the worst enemies in every classic Nintendo Hard game combined have nothing against Elden Ring’s birds, dinosaur dogs and mama bears. One of these things catches sight of you, you may shake it off in the next region of the world if nothing slows down your horse even a little bit during the chase. Oh, and if an archer sees you, you may just as well quit and reload. The world’s best war homing missiles aren’t nearly as accurate.

But you see OP, 96 metascore and 14 million sales mean you’re wrong and you should shut your trap, understand?
What are you trying to have here, an opinion? Tut tut.
 

Claus Grimhildyr

Vincit qui se vincit
The open world is boring because it‘s not really there for you to explore. Well, in theory it is. In practice, any joy you could have in exploring it is destroyed by anything that moves being so, so very intent on killing you because of reasons. It’s like what some people say women go through every day: merely existing? Well, the whole world is against you because of it. All the worst enemies in every classic Nintendo Hard game combined have nothing against Elden Ring’s birds, dinosaur dogs and mama bears. One of these things catches sight of you, you may shake it off in the next region of the world if nothing slows down your horse even a little bit during the chase. Oh, and if an archer sees you, you may just as well quit and reload. The world’s best war homing missiles aren’t nearly as accurate.

But you see OP, 96 metascore and 14 million sales mean you’re wrong and you should shut your trap, understand?
What are you trying to have here, an opinion? Tut tut.

Translation: “I suck and died repeatedly so its the game’s fault and not my own complete lack of skills or strategy.”

I don’t give two flying shits about the reviews, but if you are going to criticize a game, at least have that criticism make logical sense.
 
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NeoIkaruGAF

Gold Member
Translation: “I suck and died repeatedly so its the game’s fault and not my own complete lack of skills or strategy.”

I don’t give two flying shits about the reviews, but if you are going to criticize a game, at least have that criticism make logical sense.
Nah, you gotta step up your translation game, fren. I’ve written extensively about what I did and didn’t like about the game. The fanboys didn’t give a shit. Excuse me for hijacking a thread to throw some exaggerations that shouldn‘t be taken as “valid” criticism of the game. In any case, there isn’t any criticism that is valid and grounded in facts enough to make a From fanboy admit it may have a shred of value. There’s been more than enough ER threads in GAF alone to prove this beyond doubt. This is why I’m not engaging seriously in ER threads anymore, it’d be a waste of time.
 

WolfusFh

Member
I keep seeing people say this but I don't get it,its far better than the shit Ubisoft shit out but I wouldn't call it anything groundbreaking.
Oh, allow me to explain. Anything From software does is groundbreaking and an astonishing feat for humanity, according to the fanboys. Even it's boring repetitive combat is apparently the most complex combat ever made, regardless of how it is. Hell, even if the combat was just mashing a button, they'd call it that.

Oh, also everything that exists in gaming is a "souls-like mechanics".
 

WolfusFh

Member
You literally made a thread for it when you could've just gone to the OT to express your opinion. You want attention.
So anyone that makes a thread about a topic that they could mention in a OT is looking for attention? Or is it just when people criticize Elden Ring? Do the countless threads saying how it's the best thing ever made also count then, by your own logic, right?

So, which one is it going to be? Are you going to admit hypocrisy or going to use some extremely dumb "logic"?
 

mcjmetroid

Member
So anyone that makes a thread about a topic that they could mention in a OT is looking for attention? Or is it just when people criticize Elden Ring? Do the countless threads saying how it's the best thing ever made also count then, by your own logic, right?

So, which one is it going to be? Are you going to admit hypocrisy or going to use some extremely dumb "logic"?
Oh come in this case it's absolutely attention seeking.
 

WolfusFh

Member
Oh come in this case it's absolutely attention seeking.
Of course, you're right. After all, how dare someone say something negative about humanity's perfect creation, Elden Ring? Clearly the arguments he presented are absolutely irrelevant by it's premise alone, thus allowing us to infer his true intentions.

Anyway, brother. Now that we've destroyed this foolish man, can we return to our group masturbation to our lord, Miyazaki-Sama?
 

Guilty_AI

Gold Member
Do the countless threads saying how it's the best thing ever made also count then, by your own logic, right?
Actually yes, those are also annoying. New threads about specific games are only good if its lttp or some obscure title many might not have heard of.
Or maybe, you know, an opinion that wasn't expressed 284902 times already.
 

mcjmetroid

Member
I'm seeing a lot of complaints about the open world having nothing to do in it which is an insane complaint to me.

It's an open world souls game with plenty of stuff dotted around the map, there is a shitton to explore and discover.

I've seen these sort of complaints with breath of the wild as well and basically again it comes down to players not knowing how to explore without being told where to go. So it all seems empty because there are no icons telling you where to go.

If that's not the issue and you genuinely don't find the content interesting then I have to ask what are you expecting? Every open world game I have played has repetitive boring content in places.
Of course, you're right. After all, how dare someone say something negative about humanity's perfect creation, Elden Ring? Clearly the arguments he presented are absolutely irrelevant by it's premise alone, thus allowing us to infer his true intentions.

Anyway, brother. Now that we've destroyed this foolish man, can we return to our group masturbation to our lord, Miyazaki-Sama?
These threads types are attention seeking though. The breath of the wild is overated ones were as well.i saw a few metroid dread ones pop up as well and plenty of others.

The cycle is the same. A game comes out and gets high critic scores and high praise from gamers and everyone is happy and chatting about the game in the OT...then about 2-3 months pass and these thread types always pop up with the same antagonising language type like this game is "overrated", "sucks" etc. There is never any middle ground, it's straight to " look at me, I have superior taste to you and want you all to know it".

It's not that. Omg you can't criticise the game.. it's the way it's done.
 

Kssio_Aug

Member
Oh come in this case it's absolutely attention seeking.
I doubt you would be saying the same if I was praising this game to havens. But whatever you say dude... Not that I need your approval anyway.

It's pretty easy to hit the ignore and move on. You and Guilty_AI Guilty_AI have been giving way too much attention for something that supposedly bothers you two so much. Make better use of your time.
 
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Bernardougf

Member
When will people learn that reviews and awards in these days of "promotional kits" , "free access" and "promoting the message" mean freaking nothing ?....

Last of Us 2 was the last straw for these "professional reviewers" ... a game so divisive between gamers but that will go down in history as the game that received the most awards EVER... and the Cyberpunk fiasco? What to say about that ? ...
 

Guilty_AI

Gold Member
Nah man, it was just a suggestion. But I don't mind if you keep giving attention to my thread. In fact, I do enjoy it!
Fine, i'll bring the anime titties and make myself confortable then.

 

ANDS

Thought gaf was racist. Now knows better, honorary gaffer 2022
The guidance in ER is subtle and vague enough to actually make it fun. The guidance in games like RDR2 is literally an icon on screen with MISSION HERE that even give you a GPS guidance on how to get there.

People didn't meme this image for no reason

People came up with that meme because they are being wildly dishonest about the the level of forced-accessibility that exists in modern games. I can't remember the last open-world game I played that looked like that. Certainly not RDR2. The open-world games I play can be made just as "subtle. . ." as Elden Ring.

It just took you the entire game to realize the patterns -

Reread what I wrote. I got to a new area and wasn't interested in exploring it; all I was interested in was doing the bare minimum to get the area "complete" for what I needed to do (all of which was at Castle Sol which, again, was nothing but reused encounters right down to the boss).

Yes, it 100% happens with those games. And you implicitly admitted to it, you got tired of playing the game, playing those games for you was so boring that you thought going to play Horseshoe Pitching or Gwent just because looked like a more interest way to spend your time than playing the actual game. Thats how boring those games were to you.

Its like getting PGR4 only to spend 80% of your time playing geometry dash in the garage. Are you really playing the racing game PGR4 at that point?

Yeah, you are reading posts, but not actually paying any attention to them. I didn't say I got tired of the game, I said if you get tired of following the "breadcrumbs", is the game populated with content that meaningfully diverts from what you were doing; for TW3, RDR2 and other games that are "lesser" open worlds than ER, the answer is yes. A good open world will be designed in such a way that if you do get "main quest fatigue," then the world around you is interesting enough that you stay engaged with the game, if not a certain activity. . .for the moment.

If I thought TW3 and RDR2 were boring games, I wouldn't be using them as examples of open worlds that are better than ER. They aren't, I am, and they are.
 

Guilty_AI

Gold Member
People came up with that meme because they are being wildly dishonest about the the level of forced-accessibility that exists in modern games. I can't remember the last open-world game I played that looked like that. Certainly not RDR2. The open-world games I play can be made just as "subtle. . ." as Elden Ring.
I played enough modern games to know that pic is very accurate.
Reread what I wrote. I got to a new area and wasn't interested in exploring it; all I was interested in was doing the bare minimum to get the area "complete" for what I needed to do (all of which was at Castle Sol which, again, was nothing but reused encounters right down to the boss).
Because that specific area is the worst one of the entire game, i even pointed that out as an proper criticism you could make about ER.

Yeah, you are reading posts, but not actually paying any attention to them. I didn't say I got tired of the game, I said if you get tired of following the "breadcrumbs",
What you're calling breadcrumbs are the game. So yeah, you got tired of playing the game.

is the game populated with content that meaningfully diverts from what you were doing; for TW3, RDR2 and other games that are "lesser" open worlds than ER, the answer is yes.
How is playing dumb poker games or Gwent in any way meaningful? You can fully skip those and it won't make a bloody difference. If i get tired of 'chasing the breadcrumbs' i do what normal people do and turn off the game to do something else, not play boring minigames inside the game.
If i boot up any of these games is because i want to play RDR2 or The Witcher 3, not poker or gwent, there are far better ways to experience those two if want to.

A good open world will be designed in such a way that if you do get "main quest fatigue," then the world around you is interesting enough that you stay engaged with the game, if not a certain activity. . .for the moment.
No, a good open world is designed in such a way that the open world actually has a reason to exist, meaning it helps you progress through the game, which also doesn't mean it can't have variety. ER is very combat focused and thats totally fine, you still get enough variety that you can play long sessions without getting tired.

If you're getting main quest fatigue too often, you either don't like the game or the game is just boring.

If I thought TW3 and RDR2 were boring games, I wouldn't be using them as examples of open worlds that are better than ER. They aren't, I am, and they are.
You're the one whos saying you "get tired" of playing them, but then goes on to keep playing them except its some tedious minigame that doesn't help your progress in any way.
I'll tell you this is a completely alien concept to me, if a game tires me i just stop playing them for the moment, unless you find those horse pitching and poker minigames really really fun - which is also totally alien to me since with how clunky, unrewarding and poorly designed they usually are.
 
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ANDS

Thought gaf was racist. Now knows better, honorary gaffer 2022
I played enough modern games to know that pic is very accurate.

Name ONE modern open-world game that (a) has this level of information communicated to the player and (2) doesn't allow for its customization.

You're the one whos saying you "get tired" of playing them, but then goes on to keep playing them except its some tedious minigame that doesn't help your progress in any way.

. . .as it is clear you are misrepresenting points intentionally, I'll tip my hat and say agree to disagree and leave it at that.
 

Madflavor

Member
This has been an interesting thread to read. I had no idea Gaf was that mixed on Elden Ring. This place is gonna get interesting when ER starts inhaling all the GoTY awards.
 

Guilty_AI

Gold Member
Name ONE modern open-world game that (a) has this level of information communicated to the player and (2) doesn't allow for its customization.
(a) majority of them, including RDR2, Witcher 3, ubisoft games, etc.

(2) disabling them isn't an option because, unlike ER, they are designed assuming the player has access to all those things, meaning you cant play the game properly without these.
I know because i tried. Plenty of times.
. . .as it is clear you are misrepresenting points intentionally
If anything, you might be the one who isn't transmiting them properly.
You said it clearly, you get tired of the main game which prompts you to do unrelated stuff within the game. In my book, you aren't supposed to get tired of the main game, the main game is the thing thats supposed to keep you engaged, if only long enough for a play session per day or so.
 
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WolfusFh

Member
These threads types are attention seeking though. The breath of the wild is overated ones were as well.i saw a few metroid dread ones pop up as well and plenty of others.

The cycle is the same. A game comes out and gets high critic scores and high praise from gamers and everyone is happy and chatting about the game in the OT...then about 2-3 months pass and these thread types always pop up with the same antagonising language type like this game is "overrated", "sucks" etc. There is never any middle ground, it's straight to " look at me, I have superior taste to you and want you all to know it".

It's not that. Omg you can't criticise the game.. it's the way it's done.

Oh yes, the overly antagonist language of saying something "sucks". If that was all that was to it, then I would agree that the thread would be repetitive and it would be just complaints without actual criticism. This isn't the case though, since the complaints are followed by a seemenly logical argument. Naturally the validity of the claim can be argued with.

But that isn't what you did, was it? You just jumped straight to the dismissive "urg you just looking for attention" complaint. The overly antagonistic empty comment here wasn't the thread. It was your reply.
 

WolfusFh

Member
Actually yes, those are also annoying. New threads about specific games are only good if its lttp or some obscure title many might not have heard of.
Or maybe, you know, an opinion that wasn't expressed 284902 times already.
Well, at least you maintained internal consistency. However, this logic is still flawed. First, repetitive threads or threads about the same topic might indeed be quite annoying, but that doesn't necessarily relate to the person "just seeking attention". It might simply be that the person is unaware of the other threads or might think that his overall points are too big for a general thread. This is a gaming forum after all.

Ankther thing is that his opinion, or rather, his arguments, might have not been reproduced. If someone made a thread with the same topic but other arguments days ago, I don't know if reviving the thread would be the best idea. Creating a new one wouldn't be a repetition, since the content is actually different. And it's not like this is a new thing in forums. Hell, battle forums, which the content of a thread will be repeated by nature if it's the same battle, has several threads of the exact same battle conditions. Some people don't search for a thread if they don't see it in the first page.
 

WolfusFh

Member
His doing it to piss people off and to prove his "brave" enough for his unpopular opinion. It's a typical troll dude. Guy is just a degenerate in his mom's basement who has nothing better to do.
Ah yes, disagreeing with a the general opinion of a game clearly makes someone a "degenerate that lives in his mom's basement".
Do you realize how moronic that statement is to anyone with an IQ above room temperature? Because if you don't, then I think I have some bad news. You might need a new brain since yours would be decaying if that were to be the case.
 

WolfusFh

Member
There's no such thing as "overrated" in the context of video games because that would imply there is some "correct" rating that a game deserves.
There are objective parameters in which games can be analysed though. For example, if a game utilizes a mechanic or concept that was already present in other games and used in the same way, then praising the game for being "innovative" wjth said mechanic would be a form of "objective overrating the game".
 

Guilty_AI

Gold Member
but that doesn't necessarily relate to the person "just seeking attention".
Anyone who creates a entire thread saying "popular thing is overated" is seeking strong reactions. You know it, i know it, op knows it, we all know it.
And trust me, i'm one of the kings on "popular thing is overated" around here and have 0 issues expressing it, but even then i don't go around creating threads about everything i think gets too much praise.

Ankther thing is that his opinion, or rather, his arguments, might have not been reproduced. If someone made a thread with the same topic but other arguments days ago, I don't know if reviving the thread would be the best idea. Creating a new one wouldn't be a repetition, since the content is actually different. And it's not like this is a new thing in forums. Hell, battle forums, which the content of a thread will be repeated by nature if it's the same battle, has several threads of the exact same battle conditions. Some people don't search for a thread if they don't see it in the first page.
Yeah, forums can be poorly organized and have far too many useless topics. Its all part, right, that doesn't mean you can't tell the ones doing it to cut it out.
 
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Madflavor

Member
I don't agree that these threads are attention seeking. However they are in some way, either by a little or a lot, made to seek validation. No game/movie/show will please everyone. And the more popular and successful it is, the more it's going to encourage those who don't like it to speak up.

In the case of Elden Ring and Breath of the Wild, both games have their flaws. And those flaws are recognized and wildly known. But for some reason, BotW's flaws get forgiven or ignored by most people. That's not the case with Elden Ring. Breath of the Wild, to this day, is claimed by many to be the greatest game ever created. Elden RIng, from Day 1, was never claimed to be that. At most it was claimed to be a genre defining game, but people were very open about their issues with it, especially the criticism that the game's overall quality takes a dip after the Capital. Even so, people love Elden Ring because for them, it's positives far outweigh it's negatives. However my comparison between BotW and ER, is why I vehemently disagree with Elden Ring being "overrated".

If you think Elden Ring is overrated, it's because of that 96 MC score. Stop it. Actually pay attention to player feedback and opinion on the internet, and you'll see that most people who adore the game don't think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. They know it's got issues. It's just that they also think, despite it's flaws, it's one of the most fun and engaging games they've played in years.
 
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WolfusFh

Member
Anyone who creates a entire thread saying "popular thing is overated" is seeking strong reactions. You know it, i know it, op knows it, we all know it.
And trust me, i'm one of the kings on "popular thing is overated" around here and have 0 issues expressing it, but even then i don't go around creating threads about everything i think gets too much praise.
Considering that the many more countless threads that state that the game has made every other game irrelevant, I'd say the title is warranted. Besides, anything the title could be would warrant this same comment. Desiring engagement in a thread and having a need for attention regardless of topic or actual thoughts are two very different things.

Also, let's assume he does want attention at all costs. So? Does that invalidate his arguments? Logically no. He didn't stop counter arguing with argumentation either. So what's the issue? If it was an empty thread with the same intent, then sure, but it clearly isn't.

And at last, isn't it very common for people with no ability whatsoever to present logical argument to use this exact "lol you just want attention"? Isn't this also extremely common? I sure couldn't tell the difference between the accusations in this thread and the accusations in other threads in which there is a disagreement.

So my point is that is that this "claim" that "OP just wants attention" is irrelevant, usekess. If he wants a debate or attention, or hell, even if he jerks off to making "controversial" threads, that's his problem, right? If the thread has no argument, you can just say so, and if it has, you can counter-argument. Or just say you disagree, or leave it alone.
 

WolfusFh

Member
That's not the case with Elden Ring. Breath of the Wild, to this day, is claimed by many to be the greatest game ever created. Elden RIng, from Day 1, was never claimed to be that.
Come on, buddy. You can't be serious. Elden ring still receives the "greatest thing ever made" title to this very day, in this very forum, with countless posts (even when the game is not the topic) saying that it makes other games irrelevant, or that it has the best [insert one or more of the game's mechanics here] ever made, and that all games should follow it, including the open world design.

That is absolutely the case with Elden Ring, as it was and still is with most From software games after Dark souls.
 

Rush2112

Member
Whatever it was, its way the fck better than sekiro. at least you can have builds, yo can roam around, different armor and equipment and shit.
 

Danjin44

The nicest person on this forum
Whatever it was, its way the fck better than sekiro. at least you can have builds, yo can roam around, different armor and equipment and shit.
Because Sekiro is an action, it wasn't trying to be RPG, FROM are allowed to make other type of games other than RPGs.
 
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Madflavor

Member
Come on, buddy. You can't be serious. Elden ring still receives the "greatest thing ever made" title to this very day, in this very forum, with countless posts (even when the game is not the topic) saying that it makes other games irrelevant, or that it has the best [insert one or more of the game's mechanics here] ever made, and that all games should follow it, including the open world design.

That is absolutely the case with Elden Ring, as it was and still is with most From software games after Dark souls.

I'm very serious. You're saying people on Gaf treat it as the greatest thing ever made, yet this very thread should prove to you that there are plenty of people on here who don't think that's the case. Just because some think it's the 2nd coming, doesn't mean that's the whole narrative within the gaming community.

Also it's weird that you say "this this very day" when the game's been out for 3 months.
 

YoungEmperor96

Neo Member
Because Sekiro is an action, it wasn't trying to be RPG, FROM are allowed to make other type of games other than RPGs.
And everyone has the right to prefer ER over Sekiro. Personally, I really like Sekiro and have always recognized it as having the best combat and encounter design in the series. But it has a weak point (for me) which is the reward, or the satisfying feeling of discovery. Soul games and ER, as rpg, exploration has always satisfied me because it comes with development for the player. As you explore, you pick up souls/runes that help level up and trade things, new weapons, armor to experiment with, weapon upgrade materials, lore items,... Sekiro has a fantastic level design but I never satisfied when exploring them, most of the items picked up are Ballons, Ash, Cerami shard never used. Very rarely do I find useful items like groud seeds, or prosthetic tools. Yeah after 2 playthrough I'm not really interested in playing again, just download boss rush mod on pc and focus on mini bosses and bosses.
 
I will say these things:

1. I have been a From Software fan since the 2000's.

2. However, I hate the horde of apologists that this company has cultivated. The same apologists that will claim "ACTUALLY I like this slideshow opening better than previous openings." And despite being a fan, I generally dislike the obnoxious obscurity of Miyazaki-era games and the total lack of cutscenes.

3. I thought that, overall, Elden Ring was a great game. The lore being mostly wasted on $5 budget cutscenes and FS' typical obnoxious cryptic crap adding frequent bouts of annoyance to the entire experience, and the mobility being slower and less fluid than Bloodborne and Sekiro, are what pissed me off the most.

4. I cannot take you seriously after you complained about the copy/pasting in Elden Ring and claimed Far Cry and Assassin's Creed have less egregious open worlds. Ubisoft games are the king of bloat and copy/paste.


But seriously man I hate the FromSoftware fanbase. The games sell 10 million+ now. I'm never getting over the slideshow intro. And no, the way FS overly-obfuscates its lore (and everything else, for that matter) is not interesting nor captivating. And no, the quest design is not good. And no, the mystery and atmosphere will not be ruined by having more frequent cutscenes, especially when it comes to the 5-second-long endings FromSoftware likes to do.

Miyazaki will not spontaneously combust if the fanbase actually points out that, hey, actually, this thing could be better. Or, hey, actually, this thing is annoying and tedious and doesn't improve the experience. Hey, actually, the lore is utterly wasted by the way it's presented in the game.
 
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Danjin44

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And everyone has the right to prefer ER over Sekiro. Personally, I really like Sekiro and have always recognized it as having the best combat and encounter design in the series. But it has a weak point (for me) which is the reward, or the satisfying feeling of discovery. Soul games and ER, as rpg, exploration has always satisfied me because it comes with development for the player. As you explore, you pick up souls/runes that help level up and trade things, new weapons, armor to experiment with, weapon upgrade materials, lore items,... Sekiro has a fantastic level design but I never satisfied when exploring them, most of the items picked up are Ballons, Ash, Cerami shard never used. Very rarely do I find useful items like groud seeds, or prosthetic tools. Yeah after 2 playthrough I'm not really interested in playing again, just download boss rush mod on pc and focus on mini bosses and bosses.
It fine if you prefer RPG over action game but Sekiro not being RPG is not “weakness” or fair criticism.

Even after platinum the game I replay Sekiro several times, because just like other action games as you get better the combat becomes much more fun.
 
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Fredrik

Gold Member
The open world is boring because it‘s not really there for you to explore. Well, in theory it is. In practice, any joy you could have in exploring it is destroyed by anything that moves being so, so very intent on killing you because of reasons. It’s like what some people say women go through every day: merely existing? Well, the whole world is against you because of it. All the worst enemies in every classic Nintendo Hard game combined have nothing against Elden Ring’s birds, dinosaur dogs and mama bears. One of these things catches sight of you, you may shake it off in the next region of the world if nothing slows down your horse even a little bit during the chase. Oh, and if an archer sees you, you may just as well quit and reload. The world’s best war homing missiles aren’t nearly as accurate.

But you see OP, 96 metascore and 14 million sales mean you’re wrong and you should shut your trap, understand?
What are you trying to have here, an opinion? Tut tut.
Keep playing, sounds like you’re really early on in the game, you can see difficult enemies as a hint that you’re strolling around in a mid game area as a beginner character, later on you’ll laugh at how hard you thought the rune bears and giant crows were.
 

YoungEmperor96

Neo Member
It fine if you prefer RPG over action game but Sekiro not being RPG is not “weakness” or fair criticism.

Even after platinum the game I replay Sekiro several times, because just like other action games as you get better the combat becomes much more fun.
Oh of course. Like I said I used the boss rush mod for Sekiro and played it over and over again. For me Sekiro's combat really shines with mini-boss and boss fights. Personally, I don't think fighting normal enemies is much different from Souls. I also don't like exploring levels like souls games (personal opinion of course).
 
I want to add something here regarding why Elden ring is great to so many -

it is more accessible than previous souls games - I found this to be true for myself - I didn’t love the other ones, Elden ring you can run away and discover something else whenever things get hard. There was always something I’d never done - and the art is so incredible that I enjoyed exploring for new things

There’s nothing to do but fight complaint confuses me - I guess I never was the guy who did the mini games in GTA or other open worlds, my primary thing in most games that I enjoy is fighting. The other stuff feels like busy work most of the time for me - in fact this is why I couldn’t get back into Horizon after playing Elden ring.
 
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