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[Dark Star]

1. A great deal of what we would otherwise call music is made electronically today. However, the keyboard is most certainly a musical instrument and many producers, like the Alchemist, got their start making beats on one. I would absolutely consider the MPC 500 drum machine a musical instrument, because there is still live timing and rhythm that goes into it:



2. A rapping voice is not the same as a talking voice. There is still a lot of rhythm that goes into riding a beat.

Regarding sampling, I think all music is fundamentally taking something that has already happened and putting your own spin on it. I think the video with Havoc above really demonstrates the artistry that goes into it. He's one of the best beatmakers in my book for how he can take things that sound like they have no place in a rap song but add his own melodic and dark style to it, regardless of how lighthearted the source might seem.

Legendary, genius.

Producing is an art. Sampling is an art. It's the foundation of the history of rap music.

 

[T8SC]

More instruments.

 

[brap]

What a retarded thread. If this is music then so is rap.

 

[teezzy]

What a retarded thread. If this is music then so is rap.

Werewolf Jones GET ITT!!!!!

 

[MastAndo]

Since when is singing a requirement for something to qualify as music? Just because you think it's shitty, doesn't mean it's not music. I will say the current state of pop rap is pretty nauseating, but to label the entire genre as drivel is pretty narrow-minded.

 

[kingbean]

Yes of course it's music.

 

[Jon Neu]

I remember too having 14 years old and being the hardest metalhead in town claiming that rap isn't real music.

Then I listened to Rage Against The Machine and my perspective (if should be called that) changed.

 

[Reptars Revenge]

Nah pretty sure it’s a sandwich

 

[gunslikewhoa]

This is fucking dumb.

 

[bucyou]

Don't get me wrong, man. And Murphy Lee ain't dumb, man, cause if the shoe is on the shelf, you should have some, man.

You can not sit up and tell me that you have none, man. You may not have three or four, but you got one, man.

 

[mcjmetroid]

When's it's good it's great

But it's rarely ever good.

 

[Richard Packer]

And it also sounds really bad live for the most part. Even some of the supposed greats just sound like people trying to yell louder than the track that's playing behind them when they perform live.

It's definitely not the same as a rock/pop concert but the good acts bring so much energy. As long as the crowd is vibing too it's always a good time.

I really wish I was old enough to see Pac live. Imagine being in the crowd to see raw emotion like this.

 

[Scotty W]

Rap is trash, which is harmful to those who listen to it, especially those it purports to represent, young black men. It is an insult to black people to say rap is the best music they are capable of. They have and continue to make amazing music- music which is forgotten and ignored by the attention given to rap.

People sometimes say rap represents them and their struggles. What this really means is that their language, values and patterns of thought have been shaped by rap music; so it is obvious that they feel it represents them. It made you who you are, and you are wretched and you don’t even know it.

It is absurd to conflate traditional African music with rap. Homer also performed poetry using a lute. Was he a rapper? I have yet to hear rap that is not simply ego masturbation doggerel. The best you find is a half related collection of amusing observations. Traditional African music is not rap, rather, rap is a debased form of traditional rap music.

 

[Werewolf Jones]

What a retarded thread. If this is music then so is rap.

Entry level Merzbow. lmfao. Dig deeper.

I remember too having 14 years old and being the hardest metalhead in town claiming that rap isn't real music.

Then I listened to Rage Against The Machine and my perspective (if should be called that) changed.

Rap metal can either be cringe or fire and in the case of RATM it's fire.

I mean Denzel Curry straight covered Bulls on Parade.




I fuck with 6ix9ine and I fuck with KRS-One. Sure modern day hip-hop is here and now garbage that usually ages like milk but there's still quality present. Also it's real music, most people who say this think they have 200 IQ cuz they like Tool or something.

 

[teezzy]

Remember when Merzbow made that record that was just a bunch of distorted frogs croaking?

Frogs+ iirc

 

[Old Retro]

Rap and electronica are 2 of my favorite music genres. Lots of 70s-90s reggae relies on riddims, which are the same exact instrumentals for each track. Some Deejays sound monotone just like rap...



EDM isn't spontaneously created from AI, even though it doesn't have instruments. It does have feeling and can move you (unless you're a soulless piece of shit).

 

[brap]

Entry level Merzbow. lmfao. Dig deeper.

i dont even listen to that garbage

 

[Woo-Fu]

If it's got a beat intentionally, it's music, either to an audience or to an engineer.

 

[mekes]

Nas has performed with a full orchestra. Pharrell re-released his album with Questlove and a full backing band. Countless live covers with full bands. By this point any music can have rap, so why can’t rap itself be music?

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Someone listens to Ben Shapiro.

 

[Elcid]

While it’s technically music, it doesn’t make it any less garbage.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

This is the worst thread since that Jeffrey Epstein/Super Mario Galaxy thread, smh

 

[Richard Packer]

This is the worst thread since that Jeffrey Epstein/Super Mario Galaxy thread, smh

At least it created more discussion then this train wreck of a thread.

Spoiler

 

[Werewolf Jones]

i dont even listen to that garbage

Good. Don't need more casuals frauding it for clout.

 

[brap]

Good. Don't need more casuals frauding it for clout.

Merzbow IS for casuals though. Babby's first noise artist.

 

[teezzy]

I listened to a fair amount of harsh noise in high school. It was a natural progression from KoRn to Sonic Youth to guys like Massona and Merzbow. I just loved weird sounds, they were 'heavy' in a sense.

Even saw a local Detroit noise band, Wolf Eyes, a few times live and got to smoke weed with them and stuff. These days that shit just sorta pisses me off. It's so overindulgent and up its own ass.

Kinda like people who pretend as though they actually enjoy listening to Captain Beefheart or the The Residents. Give me a break, you're full of shit. No way anyone puts that on after a hard day of work or some shit unless they have down syndrome.

 

[highrider]

Most genres of music consist of a harmony of melodic and rhythmic sounds that are produced via instruments - or instruments and a singing human voice. Genres that meet this criteria are classical, rock n' roll, rhythm and blues, pop, and country.

However, rap doesn't meet this criteria as it doesn't rely on instruments to produce the non-verbal portions of songs but instead relies on wholly electronic equipment, and the verbal portions of its songs are produced by a speaking voice rather than a singing one.

In light of this, do you consider rap to be actual music? Also, while we're at it, how about techno?

Learn more about hip hop, then pose this question.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

Learn more about hip hop, then pose this question.

It's like To Pimp a Butterfly doesn't even exist in OP's closed world.

 

[HarryKS]

Won't lie, the second one gets your blood pumping.

 

[deafmedal]

I actually like some rap, and one of my favorite musicians is a rapper (Eminem).

It's like To Pimp a Butterfly doesn't even exist in OP's closed world.

SSLP and MMLP are good albums- classics even. While Eminem is a rapper he really makes pop music. TPaB is an entire album of deep cuts in comparison, especially if you are a typical white guy. Some of the tracks are straight bangers and there is excellent emotion in key areas but these aren't pop songs even if there is some pop sensibility sprinkled about. Hell, I'd even argue Swimming Pools isn't a pop song but it has all the criteria, it's self aware without being too pretentious. Kendrick is nowhere near as accessible as Eminem.
Now that's what I call white privilege 20

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

SSLP and MMLP are good albums- classics even. While Eminem is a rapper he really makes pop music. TPaB is an entire album of deep cuts in comparison, especially if you are a typical white guy. Some of the tracks are straight bangers and there is excellent emotion in key areas but these aren't pop songs even if there is some pop sensibility sprinkled about. Hell, I'd even argue Swimming Pools isn't a pop song but it has all the criteria, it's self aware without being too pretentious. Kendrick is nowhere near as accessible as Eminem.
Now that's what I call white privilege 20

Dude is the ultimate Boomer for making this thread.

Acts like Outkast and Kanye West don't exist in this world.

Ayo, BluRayHiDef , if rap isn't actually music, then explain this:

 

[brap]

Dude is the ultimate Boomer for making this thread.

Acts like Outkast and Kanye West don't exist in this world.

Ayo, BluRayHiDef , if rap isn't actually music, then explain this:

black privilege right there. kendrick is shit. goofy ass little manlet with an alien voice.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

black privilege right there. kendrick is shit. goofy ass little manlet with an alien voice.

I heard you was conflicted

 

[kretos]

Not anymore it's been dead for years, what people call music today is just shit specially those mumble idiots

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

Kinda like people who pretend as though they actually enjoy listening to Captain Beefheart or the The Residents. Give me a break, you're full of shit. No way anyone puts that on after a hard day of work or some shit unless they have down syndrome.

Holy shit I haven't laughed this hard in ages. Because I had to Google and put these artists on and skip through some songs, while continuing to read your comment.

 

[Yams]

Not anymore it's been dead for years, what people call music today is just shit specially those mumble idiots

Grandpa? Is that you?

 

[Werewolf Jones]

Merzbow IS for casuals though. Babby's first noise artist.

True, true. I listen to more than that though.

 

[triplestation]

 

[triplestation]

 

[Vicetrailia]

Rap is chad music

 

[MetalAlien]

Of course rap isn't music.... it's punishment from God.

 

[kretos]

Grandpa? Is that you?

you hate to admit it but show me something that's even close to this, it shits on everything that was released by mumble clowns in the last 10 years combined

 

[Goro Majima]

You know how certain topics can make you feel old?

Well instead this thread made me feel like a kid again because I swear it’s been like 30 years since I last heard the “rap isn’t real music” argument.

 

[teezzy]

^ You cant spell crap without rap

 

[brap]

^ You cant spell crap without rap

true

 

[Compsiox]

Some sound like songs and others just sound like a person talking.

Rap songs like Eminems I'd consider music.

 

[Frogman_676]

uh...yeah. just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's not real music.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

Avatar checks out

Savage

 

[Rentahamster]

You should implement a poll.

Of course rap is music. It's audible, has a rhythm, and expresses emotion. Quit making up your own definitions according to your own personal whims.

 

[carlosrox]

Great music.

I feel sorry for you if you blanket dismiss an entire genre of music.