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Disco Elysium Developers Shout Out Marx And Engels In Game Awards Victory Speech

Keihart

Member
You’re just like them.

Mmm, both sides. Mmm, faux-intellectual superiority.
i'm impressed at the gymnastics to not understand what it's being critiqued when people compare your attitude or Brap sometimes to RE.
In general, having different political views or whatever isn't a problem for discussion, what it is a problem is attempting to shut up discussion with personal attacks or the like and inventing boogie mans and calling anyone who doesn't see it the name of your choice to attack them.

In this thread for example there was a pretty clear intent in the original OP to call the devs Commies and their work propaganda, yet, the truth was a little more nuanced, then it backfired with replies calling out how click bait the headline was but suddenly the replies where some kind of outrage against OP?

IDK dude, for me you and brap need to chill out, it's not the first time i've seen you in threads with the same attitude jumping the gun like this, defending sides like it was some kind of war against the character and integrity of the posters instead of sticking to the topic.
 

Dr. Claus

Vincit qui se vincit
Giving a shoutout to Marx isn't retarded? Lmao ok. Continue with your little outrage fan fiction over there, Claus.

If you want to delve into that, then you better get ready to hate most modern philosophers, film makers, game designers, artists, and authors as Marx's repertoire of work has greatly influenced generations of people for both good and ill. I hope you are ready to hate NieR Automata has Marx influenced a good bit of that game's writing as well.
 
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Deleted member 17706

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Giving a shoutout to Marx isn't retarded? Lmao ok. Continue with your little outrage fan fiction over there, Claus.

Writing "Imagine actually supporting..." something simply because two members of the team espoused views you find "retarded" is the only ridiculous thing going on here. I would hope a free speech champ like yourself would be capable of separating the artist from the art.

Fucking lmao. Better than the political garbage you shit all over the forum non stop.

Yeah, like this thread ain't political at all.

All you do is project and lash out at shit you don't like, which seems to be pretty much everything.
 

-Arcadia-

Banned
i'm impressed at the gymnastics to not understand what it's being critiqued when people compare your attitude or Brap sometimes to RE.
In general, having different political views or whatever isn't a problem for discussion, what it is a problem is attempting to shut up discussion with personal attacks or the like and inventing boogie mans and calling anyone who doesn't see it the name of your choice to attack them.

In this thread for example there was a pretty clear intent in the original OP to call the devs Commies and their work propaganda, yet, the truth was a little more nuanced, then it backfired with replies calling out how click bait the headline was but suddenly the replies where some kind of outrage against OP?

IDK dude, for me you and brap need to chill out, it's not the first time i've seen you in threads with the same attitude jumping the gun like this, defending sides like it was some kind of war against the character and integrity of the posters instead of sticking to the topic.


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Deleted member 17706

Unconfirmed Member
i'm impressed at the gymnastics to not understand what it's being critiqued when people compare your attitude or Brap sometimes to RE.
In general, having different political views or whatever isn't a problem for discussion, what it is a problem is attempting to shut up discussion with personal attacks or the like and inventing boogie mans and calling anyone who doesn't see it the name of your choice to attack them.

In this thread for example there was a pretty clear intent in the original OP to call the devs Commies and their work propaganda, yet, the truth was a little more nuanced, then it backfired with replies calling out how click bait the headline was but suddenly the replies where some kind of outrage against OP?

IDK dude, for me you and brap need to chill out, it's not the first time i've seen you in threads with the same attitude jumping the gun like this, defending sides like it was some kind of war against the character and integrity of the posters instead of sticking to the topic.

It's the exact same behavior with just the sides swapped. Finding something you disagree with and pouncing on whoever said it in an attempt to smear them and shut them down.
 

-Arcadia-

Banned
Writing "Imagine actually supporting..." something simply because two members of the team espoused views you find "retarded" is the only ridiculous thing going on here. I would hope a free speech champ like yourself would be capable of separating the artist from the art.



Yeah, like this thread ain't political at all.

All you do is project and lash out at shit you don't like, which seems to be pretty much everything.

Wow, defending Marxism in plain sight. Didn’t think I’d see that.
 

DrJohnGalt

Banned
For me it's not about whether Disco pushes a political agenda, it's about me refusing to give my money to the idiots that made the game.
Sure, if it did unashamedly preach it'd be an automatic pass. But I've heard the game doesn't give communism the same shout-out that the devs did at the awards show, and I was actually going to pick this up to play over the holiday. But after this? Nope. They can have their own opinion but they won't get my cash. I don't need to play the game to decide I want to spend my money someplace else, so stop with the "if you didn't play the game you can't have an opinion" arguments (while at the same time telling us we need to respect everyone's opinion). And if they were just "being sarcastic", I didn't pick up on it. I could be wrong, but I won't miss the game too much either way.
 
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Xaero Gravity

NEXT LEVEL lame™
All you do is project and lash out at shit you don't like, which seems to be pretty much everything.
That's a bit unfair and untrue. Brap is a big fan of Tessa Blanchard and intergender wrestling, and he actually advocates for it and is very passionate about it. He may not agree with a lot of what argue, but to say he hates pretty much everything isn't correct.
 
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brap

Banned
If you want to delve into that, then you better get ready to hate most modern philosophers, film makers, game designers, artists, and authors as Marx's repertoire of work has greatly influenced generations of people for both good and ill. I hope you are ready to hate NieR Automata has Marx influenced a good bit of that game's writing as well.
Don't worry I already hate Nier. Are you saying that the japanese person that wrote for the game read Marx though or just influenced by it?

Writing "Imagine actually supporting..." something simply because two members of the team espoused views you find "retarded" is the only ridiculous thing going on here. I would hope a free speech champ like yourself would be capable of separating the artist from the art.
Free speech means I'm free to have an opinion. Don't like it then too fucking bad.

Yeah, like this thread ain't political at all.
It's about games. It's not a thread whining about american politics or a thread gossiping about whatever the retards at resetera are doing.

It's the exact same behavior with just the sides swapped. Finding something you disagree with and pouncing on whoever said it in an attempt to smear them and shut them down.
Show me on the doll where I EVER tried to smear or shut down the devs. They said this on an award show broadcasted to millions of people. Shall I post the video of them saying it?

That's a bit unfair and untrue. Brap is a big fan of Tessa Blanchard and intergender wrestling, and he actually advocates for it and is very passionate about it. He may not agree with a lot of what argue, but to say he hates pretty much everything isn't correct.
Yeah, I love seeing women get the shit beat out of them LMAO
 
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Deleted member 17706

Unconfirmed Member
No, Zefah. Everyone finds them retarded. They get people killed. You might not have a memory longer than a single post, but I do.

I'm gonna stop responding to you in this thread after this post, because you're honestly really annoying with these intentional misinterpretations, but I'm not defending Marxism. This shouldn't be this hard.
 

Xaero Gravity

NEXT LEVEL lame™
Don't worry I already hate Nier. Are you saying that the japanese person that wrote for the game read Marx though or just influenced by it?


Free speech means I'm free to have an opinion. Don't like it then too fucking bad.


It's about games. It's not a thread whining about american politics or a thread gossiping about whatever the retards at resetera are doing.


Show me on the doll where I EVER tried to smear or shut down the devs. They said this on an award show broadcasted to millions of people. Shall I post the video of them saying it?


Yeah, I love seeing women get the shit beat out of them LMAO
Sweet mother of God
 

-Arcadia-

Banned
I'm gonna stop responding to you in this thread after this post, because you're honestly really annoying with these intentional misinterpretations, but I'm not defending Marxism. This shouldn't be this hard.

Keep lying. After all, you have no tangible point. What else to do, right?
 

Virex

Banned
That’s certainly an interpretation. Remember when I showed you attractive male models from the game, and you continued to freak out? That’s why I wondered what exactly was going on with you. I was under the impression that you were an intelligent, reasonable poster.

Also, interesting bringing up the guy that just got banned for a month, for disingenuous arguing. Really got me there.



It really isn’t. Looking at how your group reacted to the OP here, I would ascribe the blame for thread conflicts to massive overreactions from all of you, from the start.



Rich, from the man who interrupted an actual discussion, to post a no-effort gif, and continues to do the very things he’s describing.
So you're a woman? Guess I have to do the right thing say. SHUT UP BITCH! GET BACK TO THE KITCHEN. :messenger_sunglasses: I mean it all as respectfully as possible because you are a woman. SHUT UP BITCH! :messenger_winking:
 

-Arcadia-

Banned
So you're a woman? Guess I have to do the right thing say. SHUT UP BITCH! GET BACK TO THE KITCHEN. :messenger_sunglasses: I mean it all as respectfully as possible because you are a woman. SHUT UP BITCH! :messenger_winking:

I love that we started a friendship based entirely on insults, because of that cunt misunderstanding. :messenger_tears_of_joy:

I’m a little tapped out tonight though. Rain check?
 
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Deleted member 17706

Unconfirmed Member
Free speech means I'm free to have an opinion. Don't like it then too fucking bad.


It's about games. It's not a thread whining about american politics or a thread gossiping about whatever the retards at resetera are doing.


Show me on the doll where I EVER tried to smear or shut down the devs. They said this on an award show broadcasted to millions of people. Shall I post the video of them saying it?

Ah shit. Puzzled by how Arcadia could have misunderstood my post so much, I just re-read your OP and finally realized you were talking only about the devs on stage with the "Imagine actually supporting commie garbage" line. I had mistakenly assumed you were describing the game as "commie garbage" and directing that line toward people who had bought it. The misunderstanding was on me. My apologies.
 
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-Arcadia-

Banned
Ah shit. Puzzled by how Arcadia could have misunderstood my post so much, I just re-read your OP and finally realized you were talking only about the devs on stage with the "Imagine actually supporting commie garbage" line. I had mistakenly assumed you were talking describing the game as "commie garbage" and directing that line toward people who had bought it. The misunderstanding was on me. My apologies.

This was my understanding.

misunderstood my post so much

I’m going to let this one go, Zefah.


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But yeah, if we’re approaching the issue with two entirely different perspectives on what was said, that could create a lot of unnecessary clashing.
 
Imagine actually supporting commie garbage and/or listening to Chapo Trap House aka bunch of upper middle class suburban goofy white chucklefuck commies.
How do we get the Disco Elysium devs to share profits with us like good comrades?


I thought about buying the game, hadn't heard of them being cucked until.. well now. I didn't follow the game much anyway. Too bad, but we need less commies. Let those fucks starve.
 

DR2K

Banned
Brap is one of my best friends here, and nobody has treated me better, or more respectfully. He just happens to have a sense of humor, and opinions you can’t accept, without flying off the handle and resorting to slander. Great post history, btw.







Strawmanning on censorship:





The first Reset ban I ever agreed with.



I agree. You should try it, you piece of disingenuous shit.
They're all odd looking uncanny valley shit.


No. I had a chance to get DMCV for $15 on BF and its like nah idk they look so weird compared to the other games.



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Mine either Mr. Strawman


Never played senran kagura. Snoy will censor oneechanbara so who cares?


I mean you're gay so you probably hate women more than I ever could. Nice strawman though.

So far I’m a gay Nazi made of straw and I’m living for it. Why can’t the straw be a woman tho?

Are you sure you’re not the same person?
 
So you went into a thread about a game you didn't care about to state you weren't going to buy the game/support the developers based on trollish outrage without doing due diligence and basic research yourself?

Are you sure you didn't mistake this place for ResetEra?



No problem.



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Dude, your master suppression techniques neither interest me or work on me 😊 - I'm sure we can agree that this discussion is pointless even if we don't agree on Marx. Bye!
 
Most of the world calls them "socialists" outside of the USA, where people are mostly unable to tell the difference between two. Western Europe...
I'm gonna stop you right there. The only people who calls any of western Europe Socialist are retards who don't know what Socialism actually is...and most of those retards are American. They're all free markets...yes, even the Nordic countries. The myth of European / Nordic Socialism is propogated by dumbass yanks so desperate to point to a success story that they'll point at countries that are so free marketeer that they don't even have minimum wage laws, much less a centrally planned economy.
 
The hilarious part is that the people who made the game now have to deal with the fact that they just alienated half of the population able to purchase their capitalistic product. It's like a Guvera shirt sold in Wal-mart.

I'd like to think that most of the people likely to buy the game would appreciate nuance and context, and probably wouldn't boycott a game based on a shoutout to a couple of hugely influential nineteenth century philosophers.

I don't think this will cost the game anything like 50% of its sales. Hopefully, it will get a few folks more interested in critically looking at what happened during the 1800s (it's made me think about how little I actually know about Marx and Engels and their work and I know I should know more).
 
I'd like to think that most of the people likely to buy the game would appreciate nuance and context, and probably wouldn't boycott a game based on a shoutout to a couple of hugely influential nineteenth century philosophers.

I don't think this will cost the game anything like 50% of its sales. Hopefully, it will get a few folks more interested in critically looking at what happened during the 1800s (it's made me think about how little I actually know about Marx and Engels and their work and I know I should know more).
"I wholeheartedly support the political philosophy that more people were killed under in 100 years than the God of Abraham can claim in 2 millenia," is not the take I would take.
 
"I wholeheartedly support the political philosophy that more people were killed under in 100 years than the God of Abraham can claim in 2 millenia," is not the take I would take.

I'm sure there are some people who consider that an intelligent and thoughtful response. I have no doubt we'll find out who they are in due course.
 
I'd like to think that most of the people likely to buy the game would appreciate nuance and context, and probably wouldn't boycott a game based on a shoutout to a couple of hugely influential nineteenth century philosophers.

I don't think this will cost the game anything like 50% of its sales. Hopefully, it will get a few folks more interested in critically looking at what happened during the 1800s (it's made me think about how little I actually know about Marx and Engels and their work and I know I should know more).
They sure as shit communicated to me why I should not purchase their product.
 

oagboghi2

Member
I'd like to think that most of the people likely to buy the game would appreciate nuance and context, and probably wouldn't boycott a game based on a shoutout to a couple of hugely influential nineteenth-century philosophers.

I don't think this will cost the game anything like 50% of its sales. Hopefully, it will get a few folks more interested in critically looking at what happened during the 1800s (it's made me think about how little I actually know about Marx and Engels and their work and I know I should know more).
which part of "100 of millions dead" and "totalitarian state" made you think "hmm I should learn more about this failed ideology"
 
Marx wasn't even the proponent of a "system". And he was very critical in fact of utopian socialists, as well as people who called themselves "Marxists". The one thing he did was analyzing the exploitative character of Capitalism, nothing more, nothing less. He thought there would be a gigantic uprising of the workers worldwide, but that didn't really happen. Instead the cult of personality under Stalin and Lenin took over in Russia. And they were far from socialist too. Socialism can be summed up in a single sentence; ownership of the means of production by the workers. If there's a reference to private property in socialist literature, it is exactly that; the stuff that Capitalists own to create profit. It is not a reference to personal property, which is your stuff.

Karl Marx wasn't even outright critical of Capitalism, in fact he praised some of the aspects it generated, but only up until a certain point. Beyond a certain point there was just this system that was expanding for the sake of it, serving those who owned the means of production, at the expense of the working class. Today it is also obvious that this goes for the natural environment as well.

It seems to me that this almost phobic cynicism towards Socialism is a very American phenomenon, and I can't really blame them after many decades of fear mongering of so-called Socialism. And of course in the present day, when you have a lot of outrage news that equates Socialists with weirdos, SJWs, etc. There were people in America, in the past who rose up against Capitalists, the robber barons; and these people were no different than the Socialists that were in England, France, or Germany at the time. But dissatisfaction was dealt with by the rise of the...police force. Many people died, not only under terrible working conditions, women as well as children, but also the people who rebelled against it.

Nowadays we live somewhat comfortable at the expense of the third-world, as well as China. Just check out the conditions these people live under, and then tell me that this Capitalistic, neoliberal system is in any way in favor of human prosperity, both material and non-material. But America, from what I have seen and read, is also in a terrible state; the great rise in homelessness, gentrification, the epidemic abuse of substances, the elderly, poor and disabled that get screwed over, the rise in suicides and violence towards others, the decline of a feeling of community, the overall hopelessness of the average person who tries to hold his head above the water in this neoliberal nightmare.

People who may not be in favor of this system have to live under it, and cannot currently escape it. They have to make use of certain means to spread awareness of the problems it creates. If you were a peasant in feudal times didn't mean you had to like living under these conditions. There are plenty of films, music, literature, and indeed even video games that expose the system we live under. Take the cyberpunk genre for example. How many times do we complain, on this very forum, about the exploitation of the consumer per week? Well, that is because of this very system that is in place people. We all complain, but not everybody is willing to put their finger on the problem. Even Oddworld's creator, Lorne Lanning, said that Capitalism has been detrimental to gaming. Why? Because it needs growth, just like a cancer.

I don't even consider myself a socialist or communist. In fact, I'm leaning towards Anarchism. But I have to give credit to Karl Marx, as he was right about a lot of things, for instance that economic upheavals are endemic in a Capitalist society.
 
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which part of "100 of millions dead" and "totalitarian state" made you think "hmm I should learn more about this failed ideology"

The part that it's a failed ideology that's also contributed to your own improved living standards. We should all know more about it and understand it.

Well, except for you and Torrent of Pork,

And shouldn't we all understand more about other systems of commerce that have also caused suffering and death? Like the 10~15 million deaths caused in the Congo by Western slavery?
 
Marx wasn't even the proponent of a "system". And he was very critical in fact of utopian socialists, as well as people who called themselves "Marxists". The one thing he did was analyzing the exploitative character of Capitalism, nothing more, nothing less. He thought there would be a uprising of the workers, but that didn't really happen. Instead the cult of personality under Stalin and Lenin took over in Russia. And they were far from socialist too. Socialism can be summed up in a single sentence; ownership of the means of production by the workers. If there's a reference to private property in socialist literature, it is exactly that; the stuff that Capitalists own to create profit. It is not a reference to personal property, which is your stuff.

I don't even consider myself a socialist or communist. But I have to give credit to Karl Marx, as was right about a lot of things, for instance that economic upheavals are endemic in a Capitalist society.

Truth doesn't matter at this point. It's about ideological posturing from angry people who felt they knew everything but actually studied nothing.

Communism is a one way trip to corruption and inefficiency. But unless you suck the teet of unregulated free market corruption here you will be attacked relentlessly.
 
I don't know much about politics or Marxism. But I can't think of a single time or in a single country where socialism was successful. If I'm not mistaken I believe when Venezuela went "socialism" it was praised by a lot of people both in Europe and in the United States.

Now in parts of Venezuela they're literally killing wild dogs to eat them. Then the people who praised Venezuela's
form of socialism then said that's not "real" socialism. Funny how when it doesn't work it's not real socialism. But we can't find a single example to which it works.

Now back to the topic, if these guys are praising Marxism or supporting it in some way then they're fucking retarded. I haven't had a chance to play their game yet though I've heard good things. I don't know how the politics of the game itself fit in with their speech.

However, the idea of relying on the government to support you is stupid. Hell we just found out recently that the war we've been fighting in the Middle East for the past 8 or so years that cost our country 7 trillion dollars was based around a bunch of lies. You couldn't trust the government to balance your budget let alone determine how much you eat or what you do for work.
 
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An absolutely thick as fuck response to an engaging topic.

I think Communism can only lead to disaster. But due to you being a stupid cunt, you can only respond as if I think Communism is any kind of solution to the world's ills.

Pull your head out of your ass you dumb fuck, and stop trying to rim yourself for long enough to realise that life isn't clear cut.

You incredible fuckwit.
We may agree with things, and I'll be the first to admit my own ability to fuck up the interpretation of a post. My own opinion i that Papa Pinocet did nothing wrong, and that Communists Aren't People.
 

oagboghi2

Member
The part that it's a failed ideology that's also contributed to your own improved living standards. We should all know more about it and understand it.

Well, except for you and Torrent of Pork,

And shouldn't we all understand more about other systems of commerce that have also caused suffering and death? Like the 10~15 million deaths caused in the Congo by Western slavery?
I don't need to play a video game to understand that slavery is bad.

This idea that we need to play this game and treat it seriously to understand a failed ideology is laughable.
 
This is just me being drunk, but none of you assholes work hard enough to be a Communist. To be a Communist is to work slave labor, and if you have a problem with your lot in life you''re thrown against a wall, and shot. Some of GAF thinks they will be the prolitariot, they will be the first people thrown against the wall.
 

brap

Banned
This is just me being drunk, but none of you assholes work hard enough to be a Communist. To be a Communist is to work slave labor, and if you have a problem with your lot in life you''re thrown against a wall, and shot. Some of GAF thinks they will be the prolitariot, they will be the first people thrown against the wall.
umm no sweetie. thats not the right form of communism. theyd never do that to me.

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