DJ12
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I was referring to the version they've fixed, aka 120fps mode.
Performance and quality mode already ran the higher detail settings if memory serves.
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Dirt 5 | 2.00 Patch Comparison PS5 Vs Xbox Series X/S
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Performance and quality mode already ran the higher detail settings if memory serves.
Agnostic2020
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Yea 120fps was lower setting than ps5 . The other 2 mode were similar to ps5 just they ran abit worse with drops when there were too many cars or spectator . The texture was lower quality which it still is in the performance and quality mode .
cyen
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Of the solar system, world is just to little for such powerfull console.
cyen
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I would bet no one would find differences between both if played side by side. But hey, more amno for console warriors.
geordiemp
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No, XSX has static clocks. Go look up what Pervasive and fine clock gating means.
The XSX CPU is server class, MS said so and its CU arrangement is also server arrangement, thats why 52 CU is just about matching 36 CU if thats not too hard a concept for you.
Crying, how old are you son ?
No you have not shown any understanding in any post.
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Dibils2k
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Agnostic2020
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It was confirmed by amd and the developer that dirt5 uses vrs
Dibils2k
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dont trust NX one bit, can you link me to a dev saying it?
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DJ12
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You have eyes though right? you can see it working as he's describing it.
Doesn't really matter if you trust him or not.
Agnostic2020
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ethomaz
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So MS is lying about the fixed clocks?
Because either you have Pervasive fine clock or fixed clock.
MS was very load about the clock being fixed.
Because Dev, MS and AMD confirmed it.
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DarkMage619
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Are you certain they aren't talking about PC? World of Warcraft and Godfall aren't on Xbox. PC and Xbox don't run the same code. Or since it is running for Godfall that means PS5 has VRS?
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v_iHuGi
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Wut? MS said that DIRT is using VRS and that it was a game changer because their Console it´s FULL RDNA 2. They even sent a press release lmao.
Ya know, I keep seeing this come up. But....once again, this exact same thing happened the past 2 gens for home consoles. Yes, I agree 100% its alot closer than before "its the closest 2 consoles have ever been"
At some point, it is what it is. You win some, you lose some. The PS5 is like the lil engine that could. It shouldn't need that analogy but some folks see it that way.
Also...seems some ppl called it saying some jumped the gun after the XSX patch because there were no comparisons.
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Knitted Knight
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Only the word of Andrew Goossen is trusted around in this place these days. Gotta watch out for them turncoats and Sony double agents posing as neutral....
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Dibils2k
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this doesn't mention anything about xbox version
just cause feature is made available doesnt mean its applied to console
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Mr Moose
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Gears 5.
Agnostic2020
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The whole point is that gdk used for the development on pc and xbox .so if its on pc it's on xbox feature wise.nx gamer also said it has it . Makes sense
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Sethbacca
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I got this on the current sale at $40 and have no regrets. Was looking for a couch multiplayer game and it supports 2-4 players. It may not be the best looking game in existence but we've had a ton of fun playing it multiplayer. Scratches the itch for an arcade racer if you want something that isn't sim heavy.
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Dibils2k
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did you mean Gears Tactics? i know PC version has VRS, does the console use it though?
Dibils2k
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no he didn't, i watched the vid, he just says "might" and where he says that, it looks more like low AF then anything else.
yet to see anything that confirms VRS on xbox series
Dibils2k
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care to link me to this press release?
from my experience people on the internet have tendency to take away from things what they want to take away, not the actual facts so i have started just asking for actual references so i can actually get accurate info
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Zathalus
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Clock gating has got nothing to do with if a processor is running at a static or variable frequency. It's nothing more than a power reduction technique. The more fine the clock gating is implemented, the greater the power savings. It's one of the major factors driving the performance-per-watt gains of RDNA2. Clock gating has been around since forever, and is used to deactivate certain parts of the GPU when not in use. Running a GPU at a static frequency does not suddenly prevent it from benefitting from it.
See above.
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Agnostic2020
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Again we know it's on pc and pc used the same dev kit as xsx (GDK). U put them together and u know the answer. No one will confirm a feature like vrs that makes game arguably uglier.
ethomaz
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Gears 5 on Series X.
"A visualisation of VRS in a Gears 5 frame. Red tiles are rendered at full resolution, green at half resolution while yellow is half horizontal or half vertical resolution."
What's new with Gears 5 on Xbox Series X?
One of the trends we're seeing with this new generation of consoles is the arrival of visual updates for last generatio…
www.eurogamer.net
Dirt 5 uses VRS on Series X too... there is probably more games.
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Mr Moose
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What's new with Gears 5 on Xbox Series X?
One of the trends we're seeing with this new generation of consoles is the arrival of visual updates for last generatio…
www.eurogamer.net
ethomaz
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You can't have fine-grained clock with fixed clocks.
The whole ideia of fine grain clock is to underclock the units to reduce power usage... if you have static clocks you can't fine grain.
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Good, this sound like my kind of game. Like me some the arcade racers. I'm not into the sims racers.I got this on the current sale at $40 and have no regrets. Was looking for a couch multiplayer game and it supports 2-4 players. It may not be the best looking game in existence but we've had a ton of fun playing it multiplayer. Scratches the itch for an arcade racer if you want something that isn't sim heavy.
HoofHearted
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Pretty sure DF noted some utilization of VRS in Gears 5 patch video several weeks ago - but it was very limited and sparsely. Haven’t seen official confirmation of VRS in DiRT other than what was noted earlier (thought that was PC only not console).
Zathalus
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It's not fine-grained clocks, it's fine-grained clock gating. Clock gating is not tied to the frequency of a specific processor. Even the Pentium 4 had it as a feature, although primitive in comparison. This is one of the major reasons that RDNA 2 has the power savings that it has, and both the XSX and PS5 follow suit.
This is not a performance related feature, merely one that allows the GPUs to use less power.
Variable clocks and clock gating are not the same thing.
Refer once again to the paper here. Tests were done on a i5-2500K 3.3 GHz which was running at a static frequency.
HoofHearted
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I’ll just wait until it’s released on GP/EAP.I got this on the current sale at $40 and have no regrets. Was looking for a couch multiplayer game and it supports 2-4 players. It may not be the best looking game in existence but we've had a ton of fun playing it multiplayer. Scratches the itch for an arcade racer if you want something that isn't sim heavy.
Sethbacca
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Yeah, it's pretty solid and I'd say worth it while on sale. It also makes pretty solid use of the ps5 triggers by having them bump with jumps and gravel in the road and stuff.
Fredrik
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They’ve done work on all modes. Right now it’s about as flawless 60fps as you’ll ever get, before the framerate was a ton more unstable. I can’t spot what they’ve changed though, the ground do look blurry before the race start but I have no way to compare with the previous version. Anyway once you’re off racing you can’t see details anyway then you only notice the smoothness. Looks stunning in motion now!
Judging by the talk the PS5 version has somewhat problematic framerate issues instead now, so that’s something they need to look at now. No Christmas break for these guys. :/
This is one area where PC gaming absolutely kills console gaming. Now people are cranky and wants a new patch, on PC they could’ve just lowered an unimportant setting from ultra to high and kept playing.
DJ12
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Which has absolutely nothing to do with what I said, I am wondering what the performance hit is in 120 FPS mode now there's almost parity with the settings for PS5.
Fredrik
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You made it sound like the 120fps was the only thing that was fixed. Sadly I can’t comment on the 120fps mode but I think we would’ve heard if it was broken. Then again with VRR it’s not easy to notice fps judder so who knows
Bogroll
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Its not flawless on image quality mode on SX but its certainly at lot better than it was whilst pushing a higher resolution. Some courses are slightly worse than others as you get deeper in the game.
MasterCornholio
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I'm confused about something. How does that technology work in a console with fixed clocks?
I always thought the purpose of pervasive clock grating was to be able to change the clocks extremely quickly. That way the change can happen so quickly that it's imperceptible to the end user.
I'm not sure how something like that works with and system with fixed clocks.
Maybe you have a good explanation for it?
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
A good thing you can use a monitor instead which gives less ghosting and better graphics.That’s the 120 FPS mode , 0.01 % has a tv that can run that mode
MasterCornholio
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Isn't VRS a DirectX12U feature?
I don't see why Sonys API would use it.
Both Dirt 5 on the PC and XSX/XSS use DirectX12U which is why some people are speculating that it's being used on the Xbox.
It's already been confirmed for the PC version so I don't see what would stop them from using it in the Xbox version. But that's just me.
Zathalus
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Clock gating is not tied to the frequency, but the ability to selectively switch off parts (Registers) of the GPU rapidly when not in use. Fine clock gating just means the control of clock gating goes down to the gate level. It is a bit more complex than just adjusting the clock frequency. The Wikipedia article has a good overview of it as well.
Since this is such an integral part of the RDNA2 architecture, and since both consoles demonstrate the same performance-per-watt gains of the RX 6000 series, it seems logical to conclude both have them.
That being said, if a console has it or does not have it has no bearing on the performance of the console, just how much power it would draw to reach that specific performance target. This is not the magical "secret sauce" for why the PS5 is performing better or on par with the XSX.
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MasterCornholio
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So what is the secret sauce if you think it really exists? There's has to be an explanation to why the systems are so close and "just tools" seems like an excuse to me at this point.
Zathalus
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Frankly a large amount of factors. I don't think it is one single thing that is the cause of it, but a bunch of things together that all add up. Some off the top of my head:
- Higher GPU clock, this has obvious benefits like faster cache speeds, higher fill-rate, all parts of the GPU running faster. Mark Cerny was right on the money when he said "A rising tide lifts all boats".
- GPU cache scrubbers, these appear unique to the PS5 and likely make the GPU that much more efficient.
- 36 CU is easier to saturate then 52 CU.
- A better balanced GPU, the XSX is very compute heavy, other parts of the GPU are equal or better on the PS5 due to the high clocks.
- Higher L2 cache per compute unit (5MB for 52 CU's vs 4MB for 36CU's).
- Possible unified L3 on the CPU side for the PS5.
- Better API.
- Developers have had the dev kits longer than the Xbox ones.
- Only one spec to target.
- Not having to learn an entire new development kit (XDK vs GDK).
- Easier memory system to work with.
Honestly I think as time goes by, the difference between consoles on multi-plats are going to be small. The exclusives on each are where the respective systems strengths will shine.
PS5 does have the controller advantage, but some people prefer the stick layout of the Xbox.
Personally I already own both, so whichever wins, I win!
MasterCornholio
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Probably is a combination of things like you said. Just found it a little pathetic when tools was said to be the only reason when there's a lot more to performance than just teraflops. I guess many don't understand how these systems actually work because most of us are not experts in the industry.
But whatever the situation both systems seem very powerful to me and I don't think anyone should be disappointed in them. Unless someone gets an XSS as a present when they want an XSX that is.
DJ12
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No it's a hardware feature.
People think it's a DX feature as MS patented their implementation for use in Direct X. This doesn't stop Vulkan, OpenGL and of course AMD, Sony, Nintendo or anyone else for that implementing VRS themselves.
AMD 2019 VRS Patent ( and the others ) : PS5 (reddit.com)
It was there in the comments section when he made the video, so nothing new
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Agnostic2020
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Fredrik
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It’s flawless enough I’d say, if you can say such a thing lol
I haven’t finished the career though but I’ve come a long way, so far I’ve only noticed dips for like a second or two at the first crowded turn, as the field spreads out the fps drops has gone away completely. Honestly, if there is a small texture assets differences at this point then I hope they keep it that way, I don’t want anything minor I won’t notice anyway ruining things now that it’s finally running well.
They should focus on making sprint races working instead!
