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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
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Digital Foundry: Dead Island 2 - DF Tech Review - PS5 vs Xbox Series X/S vs ALL Last-Gen Consoles
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Summary:
- The games long development touched upon.
- Uses Unreal Engine 4. Custom "Flesh Engine" proprietary tech added upon for visceral zombie dismemberment all the way to the skeletal frame of a zombie
- Optimized for last gen machines well as it is clearly a 'last gen game first'
- No graphics modes on any platform, all have single profile.
- XBO: 900p / 30 FPS. No DRS seen in DF testing.
- Mostly stable 30 FPS with very minor hitches and single frame drops
- PS4: 1080p / 30 FPS. Same visual features as XBO.
- PS4 has more hitches compared to XBO (CPU related).
- Very playable release otherwise.
- One specific last gen issue is that base PS4/XBO cannot host an online game, only PS4 Pro/ One X onward can do that. Base consoles can only *join* games.
- PS4 Pro / One X have same visual features as PS4/XBO and both run at locked 1440p.
- Outside of one-off drops, they're both incredibly stable.
- PS5: 1728p with 60 FPS target. Held perfectly in DF testing.
- Series X: 1728p. Can have one off drops when using elemental attacks but otherwise 60 held everywhere.
- Series S: 1080p at 60 FPS with occasional minor drop to high 50s but a very steady 60 FPS in most cases.
- Last gen and current gen match visual features, right down to SSR.
- New gen consoles avoid some pop-in because of SSD, however not much else is noteworthy.
- Shadow quality and some effect work benefits from higher resolution and is more detailed.
- New-gen consoles have animation on foliage like trees, which are static on last gen
- Series S runs at lower shadow quality settings, more comparable to last gen than PS5|SX.
- Map is segmented in chunks and areas. Results in some lengthy load times.
- PS4 can take 1 minute+ to load one area, PS5 loads same area in 7 seconds.
- Final pecking order: PS5|SX|SS on top but last gen hold up surprisingly well.
- The games long development touched upon.
- Uses Unreal Engine 4. Custom "Flesh Engine" proprietary tech added upon for visceral zombie dismemberment all the way to the skeletal frame of a zombie
- Optimized for last gen machines well as it is clearly a 'last gen game first'
- No graphics modes on any platform, all have single profile.
- XBO: 900p / 30 FPS. No DRS seen in DF testing.
- Mostly stable 30 FPS with very minor hitches and single frame drops
- PS4: 1080p / 30 FPS. Same visual features as XBO.
- PS4 has more hitches compared to XBO (CPU related).
- Very playable release otherwise.
- One specific last gen issue is that base PS4/XBO cannot host an online game, only PS4 Pro/ One X onward can do that. Base consoles can only *join* games.
- PS4 Pro / One X have same visual features as PS4/XBO and both run at locked 1440p.
- Outside of one-off drops, they're both incredibly stable.
- PS5: 1728p with 60 FPS target. Held perfectly in DF testing.
- Series X: 1728p. Can have one off drops when using elemental attacks but otherwise 60 held everywhere.
- Series S: 1080p at 60 FPS with occasional minor drop to high 50s but a very steady 60 FPS in most cases.
- Last gen and current gen match visual features, right down to SSR.
- New gen consoles avoid some pop-in because of SSD, however not much else is noteworthy.
- Shadow quality and some effect work benefits from higher resolution and is more detailed.
- New-gen consoles have animation on foliage like trees, which are static on last gen
- Series S runs at lower shadow quality settings, more comparable to last gen than PS5|SX.
- Map is segmented in chunks and areas. Results in some lengthy load times.
- PS4 can take 1 minute+ to load one area, PS5 loads same area in 7 seconds.
- Final pecking order: PS5|SX|SS on top but last gen hold up surprisingly well.
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MasterCornholio
Member
So basically it's a tie between the premium systems. Nice the framerate is really good.
What's the loading like on the XSX?
What's the loading like on the XSX?
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mansoor1980
Gold Member
very good job by the developers , all console versions are great , also only one mode on current gen machines is great news
any one here try the PC version?
any one here try the PC version?
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Pretty much. Even Series S is 99% locked at 60 FPS just running at a lower resolution and lower shadow resolution.
MasterCornholio
Member
What's the loading like on Series X?
I'm not sure if you forgot to include that data.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The video only covered load between PS4 and PS5.
MasterCornholio
Member
That's strange. I thought they would include the Series as well.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
This is from the elemenopee video
looks like a second or two difference max, where it's 1 minute + on PS4.
MasterCornholio
Member
This is from the elemenopee video
looks like a second or two difference max, where it's 1 minute + on PS4.
Isn't that from El Analista DE Bits?
If it is its not a reliable source.
In analistadebits video loading times were roughly the same for PS5 and SX.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
What's weird is that the recommended specs are a lot beefier than the way the previous gen run might suggest.
Luigi Mario
Member
Probably about the same, maybe 1 or 2 seconds longer.
MasterCornholio
Member
Yeah I can see that happening. Don't know why
adamsapple
called the source by a different name. It threw me off.Is there a copy cat channel?
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yeah I can see that happening. Don't know why
Is there a copy cat channel?
The channels name is too hard so i just call it elemenopee
rickybooby87
Member
We all win!
bender
What time is it?
You don't trust anal?
MasterCornholio
Member
Well I did see some screwy things from that channel and even Digital Foundry mentioned they are not reliable.
I trust Digital Foundry and VGtech though. Although I don't really like Alex from Digital Foundry.
killatopak
Gold Member
I wonder what’s the problem with only pro consoles being able to host.
bender
What time is it?
MasterCornholio
Member
I'm fine. Its not like I'm letting this kill me or anything. Just got a little confused that's all.
bender
What time is it?
I have that effect on humans.
MasterCornholio
Member
Of course especially when you lost your antenna or let a little girl use you as a toilet.
But then you flipped a coin and made yourself gold which was cool.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Benefit of this being primarily a last-gen game, the new consoles have the sheer raw grunt to push solid performance without much issue.
Desprado123
Member
In this game it means that RTX 2070 Super is better than current gen console as RTX 2070 Super is better than RTX 3060.
Game is running above 100 fps all the time using FSR 2.0 (Disable it will give around 80 fps).
Game is running above 100 fps all the time using FSR 2.0 (Disable it will give around 80 fps).
MisterXDTV
Member
Aren't consoles locked to a 60 fps cap?
It doesn't mean they can't go over that...
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Tarnpanzer
Member
Nope. They support up to 120fps. If the dev utilizes VRR he can unlock the 60fps cap.
Mr Moose
Member
Are consoles using FSR?
They aren't 1440p and have a fps cap of 60.
3,686,400 (1440) pixels v 5,308,416 pixels (1728).
Not sure if consoles are using ultra settings either.
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MisterXDTV
Member
I meant THE GAME is locked to 60fps right now on consoles
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Desprado123
Member
Yes but most them are locked to give better gameplay experience and to avoid jaggies framerate. At least, Developer has used 90 to 95% console raw horsepower that locked it at above 1440p.
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Pedro Motta
Member
It's very difficult to trust more in DF these days.
How can they not notice the OBVIOUS shadow quality difference between Series X and PS5?
And why hide the loading times on Series consoles?
How can they not notice the OBVIOUS shadow quality difference between Series X and PS5?
And why hide the loading times on Series consoles?
Mr Moose
Member
I noticed it in two other videos (haven't watched this one yet) and what seemed to be flickering on Series X indoors if I remember correctly.It's very difficult to trust more in DF these days.
How can they not notice the OBVIOUS shadow quality difference between Series X and PS5?
And why hide the loading times on Series consoles?
Zathalus
spotted it too.Loading times are slightly better on PS5, not by a lot though. I think all of them could be improved here.
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Yup higher res shadows there for sure.It's very difficult to trust more in DF these days.
How can they not notice the OBVIOUS shadow quality difference between Series X and PS5?
And why hide the loading times on Series consoles?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I think you guys might be mixing up shadow filtering with shadow resolution.
The Series S is clearly lower resolution here with lower shadow cascades. SX's shadow filtering is very similar, almost 1 : 1 with "PC Max" and PS5's filtering is sharper and different then them both.
We've seen this exact same different in a bunch of games as well. Likely a DX / PS5's custom GL difference in how shadows are handled.
The Series S is clearly lower resolution here with lower shadow cascades. SX's shadow filtering is very similar, almost 1 : 1 with "PC Max" and PS5's filtering is sharper and different then them both.
We've seen this exact same different in a bunch of games as well. Likely a DX / PS5's custom GL difference in how shadows are handled.
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
A huge difference in shadows, for sure.I noticed it in two other videos (haven't watched this one yet) and what seemed to be flickering on Series X indoors if I remember correctly.
Loading times are slightly better on PS5, not by a lot though. I think all of them could be improved here.
01011001
Banned
what does the second highest PC setting look like? what if these are softshadows that are just labled as the ultra setting?
01011001
Banned
I'm not a fan of FSR, so I'd say they chose correctly, unless the TAA sucks.
also if anything they would use TSR here as that's the UE native upsampling, which is functionally identical to FSR2 tho.
not sure if anyone ever compared them tho, I wonder if TSR is on part with FSR2
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I wish he would flash his PC settings in the video so we can get an idea but, yeah, unfortunately he only says "PC Max" without much context. So I'm guessing he has the highest pre-set without a lot of custom fiddling. But that's just a guess.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Tom?It's very difficult to trust more in DF these days.
How can they not notice the OBVIOUS shadow quality difference between Series X and PS5?
And why hide the loading times on Series consoles?
Tom.
Mr Moose
Member
GymWolf
Member
Maybe his girl doesn't wash her bum properly after taking a shit?!
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01011001
Banned
It's very difficult to trust more in DF these days.
How can they not notice the OBVIOUS shadow quality difference between Series X and PS5?
you are aware that they are literally showing you the difference right there in the video of which you made a screenshot... right?
Xbox is max PC, PS5 is weirdly different, this might need a PC analysis to get to the root of.
because the difference isn't really interesting, sightly slower, as basically always.
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I think you guys might be mixing up shadow filtering with shadow resolution.
The Series S is clearly lower resolution here with lower shadow cascades. SX's shadow filtering is very similar, almost 1 : 1 with "PC Max" and PS5's filtering is sharper and different then them both.
We've seen this exact same different in a bunch of games as well. Likely a DX / PS5's custom GL difference in how shadows are handled.
That's right, XSX is using the equivalent of a PC Max. The fact is that this difference in shadows has been seen in other games recently as well. As you say, it may be the difference DX vs PSapi.
It would be interesting to see how the shadows look on high PC and see if there is a difference.
PS. XBO X and PRo being the same
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