games on Xbox are on a higher API, that helps porting software to different hardware. but limits access to full hardware capabilities.
games on PS4/PS5 are on lower level API (as in closer to the metal), this gives more access to hardware capabilities. but limits cross platform compatibility. the new hardware would need to "mimic" the behavior of the original hardware. this is how compatibility is done PS4Pro and PS5.
Xbox One games run natively on Series S|X.
I am pretty sure this thread is about BC not dev kits.
I thought it was conclusive that GoT and Days Gone were best experienced on PS5 @ 60 fps. Did I read that wrong somehow?Xbox upgrades their 1st party games....
Sony 1st party hasn't......yet.......
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Not completely accurate, on the Xbox side, the software actually has full access to the hardware, this is exactly why MS uses a hypervisor to run games through. Essentially the games aren't tied to the hardware so whatever you put in there the games will use all the resources available. This is also why you'll notice games that are BC don have to deal with clock management or may have issues running on more powerful hardware.
They are that is correct, but lets be honest, Sony needs to respond better than this with their incredible 1st party titles...Bloodborne, The Last Guardian, The Last of Us 2 to name but a few would be fantastic titles to update for PS5.
Only if they move from x86.
RISC can emulate x86
The Xbox One version of DirectX 11(also called DirectX 11.X) and DirectX 12 are low level API just like the DirectX versions in older Xbox consolese. Consoles always use low level API. Although PC's also started doing this with Vulkan and DirectX 12.
Xbox S|X does not really emulate Xbox One games(only OG/360 games). They both use the same OS, Xbox One users got the Series UI after Series S|X launch.
Pretty much any architecture can emulate a different one, the problem is performance and accuracy
CPU one of the biggest PS5 advancements over the PS4. so a PS5Pro can use the same PS5 CPU, and only upgrade/double the GPU. and the GPU clock on the PS5 is already high as it is. there would be no need to change clocks. so backwards compatibility should be simpler than PS4Pro.
Both XBOne e XSX/S games run inside a virtualized environment. Their APIs are not hardware-specific like PS4/PS5 ones.
I was being honest thats why I mention those two you neglected to in your original post of which I responded.
I'm not talking clock speeds, that's never been an issue with BC, it's the actual hardware itself since the games are built around the PS5 hardware directly (BC as in next-gen PS6). I'm fairly confident Sony needs to create a software that makes the games bypass the hardware the games are expecting, or have to do another butterfly-like chip to keep BC flawless. I don't think these consoles will have any Pro variants, I'm expecting a shorter life cycle with games being built for both gens (current and next longer)... kind of how things are going now.
If you take a look at the Hot Chips conference they answer a question regarding "how far removed from the actual hardware is their software development" and they say that's a common missconception.
Of course is better to believe someone on an internet forum.
Xbox upgrades their 1st party games....
Sony 1st party hasn't......yet.......
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I thought it was already known that MS uses a variant of DX for the Xbox for low-level access on the Hardware....\
I know I always believe our random internet engineers here on Gaf instead of the people that actually developed the hardware/software.
"Low level" is relative. If XBOne's APIs were really close to the metal i doubt they'd work natively on XSX/S.
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Low level API simply means it has access to the hardware without a software overhead. There is no reason Xbox S|X can't answer Xbox One hardware calls.
Probably fine, maybe just copy and paste it if there are any issues?
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My apologies, it was a turn of phase, and incorrect to use. I was just highlighting the fact that Sony has so many 1st party titles of last gen that are of immense quality that they simply deserve an upgrade for the PS5.
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Yeah but on select titles for anything older than last gen.
Even if they don't release their games on PC, they need to ensure BC at this point because they want people to migrate (with their accounts) to the next platform. If they BTFO significant parts of people's digital library, they run the risk of losing those customers as it is easier for a customer to make a "cut", so to speak. You want to keep people locked into your ecosystem. So both Sony and Microsoft (and Nintendo) have brought this onto themselves with the online digital store shit.
Reason I asked was that the Decima engine had to get ported over to PC API, so I assume that puts decima engine games on PS5 in a similar position to Direct X games on Xbox?
