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Analysis [DF] Ghost of Tsushima Director's Cut PS5 Upgrades Tested

Bernd Lauert

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This feels like the same ripoff that Wreckfest did with its next gen version. I bought it to support the developer but objectively it really wasn't worth the money.
 
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Charging for this is pretty absurd IMO. Not gonna defend this.

Give updates for free. They already sold tons. Fucking greedy bastards. Even the grass LOD hasn't been improved. They probably could have changed that just by changing a number in the source code.
People think devs just hit some switches and its done Hahahah and then complain when games are buggy, lazy devs lol. I want free, gimmie gimme.
 
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I think the argument is that you should be able to upgrade the original ps4 version to the ps5 version without having to fork out for the extra island etc.. There is no 10 dollar ps4 to ps5 vanilla upgrade
There is no PS5 version of Ghost of Tsushima. Only the Director's Cut.

That's why they patched the original game for free and its a locked 60 FPS on PS5, and has been since PS5 launched.

If you own the PS4 game, you can choose to spend $20 for some story DLC. Simple as that.
(And play it all, including the free multiplayer, at 60 FPS on PS5 for no extra cost.)

Then if you really care, you can also spend an extra $10 for a native PS5 port of the Director's Cut.
 

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They seriously couldnt do native 4k 60 fps?

This is a 1080p 30 fps game. You need a 14 tflops GCN 1.0 GPU to do 4k 60 fps. a 10 tflops PS5 should easily be at least 15 GCN 1.0 tflops. I would expect at least dynamic 4k 60 fps that goes down to 1800p if the framerate dips during action scenes.

And this is why you need VRR. They are leaving a lot of performance on the table in order to achieve a locked 60 fps.
on the other hand 4tf ps4 pro do 30fps 1800cb so you have double frames and 44% more pixels (also cb by sucker punch is one of best implementation), interesting that its first game that shows quite big difference ps5 native vs bc (bc mode 1800cb has fps drops during photomode, native 0 drops with 44% more pixels)
 
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I'm probably one of the few that hasn't been able to get around to playing this yet, so I absolutely can't wait to get this tomorrow.
 

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They seriously couldnt do native 4k 60 fps?

This is a 1080p 30 fps game. You need a 14 tflops GCN 1.0 GPU to do 4k 60 fps. a 10 tflops PS5 should easily be at least 15 GCN 1.0 tflops. I would expect at least dynamic 4k 60 fps that goes down to 1800p if the framerate dips during action scenes.

And this is why you need VRR. They are leaving a lot of performance on the table in order to achieve a locked 60 fps.
Performance doesn't always scale linearly with TFLOPS like that. There are a lot of different factors to consider as well like bandwidth contention, inefficiencies in parts of the GPU, etc.

This is why despite RX 6900 XT being capable of over 2x the FP32 TFLOPS of 6600 XT, the relative perf is not always 2x fast on the 6900 XT... In fact, the avg perf differential is a bit less than 2x.
 
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When people just say "use PS4 BC mode"? Why would someone do that? They bought a PS5 to experience a PS5 but somehow Sony is finding ways to extract more money from the user after they already bought a PS5. :messenger_grinning_smiling:
 
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Ill just wait to see if I can somehow get the upgrade in a sale...but tbh it looks like this is the only game for the rest of the year so I might as well jump back in once im done with Returnal. Don't think ill bother with the DLC it sounds pretty damn short and more of the same.
 
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Best deal here is for those who haven't played the game at all. Otherwise its laughable for an "upgrade" in comparison to so many other free upgrades.

You best believe you paying extra for that tlou2 directors cut with mp.
 
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The fact that there are people on NeoGAF who are actually advocating for paid 'upgrades' that have been free for decades is fucking depressing. This is just as nauseating as horse armour was 15 years ago, and is completely in keeping with Sony's new philosophy: 'Fuck you cunts, give us your fucking money now'.

Nahhhh. I'm good.
 

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Performance doesn't always scale linearly with TFLOPS like that. There are a lot of different factors to consider as well like bandwidth contention, inefficiencies in parts of the GPU, etc.

This is why despite RX 6900 XT being capable of over 2x the FP32 TFLOPS of 6600 XT, the relative perf is not always 2x fast on the 6900 XT... In fact, the avg perf differential is a bit less than 2x.
Forgive me but I don't believe for a second this game runs 4k CBR 60 fps because it's taxing. They just put a minimal effort in the ps5 version and that's it. The LOD is very low in this game if it's the same of the PS4, I don't think native 4k was impossible with the ps5 hardware. Game which use DRS on ps5 have a vastly improved graphic setting compared the PS4. That's why 4k native was taxing. Said that is a great game, but the graphic upgrade is ridiculous especially because is not free. Shame.
 
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This is one of the worst upgrades we've seen.
  • They have performance and resolution modes, but the FPS is identical. The only change is that it drops the res in performance mode. So it's a mode to lower image quality without any benefit to frame rate or graphical settings. This tells me that this is BARELY a PS5 game and they probably just recompiled it or whatever instead of doing any real work to take advantage of the PS5 hardware.
  • A few random textures are higher quality. OH MAN.
  • The draw distance is exactly the same, despite the fact that the PS5 has an immense bandwidth, RAM, and CPU advantage over the PS4.
  • Shadow resolution is identical. Something that is probably a variable in an ini file wasn't changed for the PS5 version.
  • All the cut scenes are now real time, but they're all 30 fps. If you play the PS4 version on PS5, though, you get the real time cutscenes at 60 fps.
  • Load times, which were fast already, are faster.
  • The game runs at full 4k in resolution mode, but there are still somehow checkboarding artifacts present. They couldn't turn it off?
  • No enhancements to any graphical effects.
I'm not touching this until there is a deep sale (like <$30 for the disc version) or they patch it to bring in more upgrades.

What a crock of shit.
 

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This is one of the worst upgrades we've seen.
  • They have performance and resolution modes, but the FPS is identical. The only change is that it drops the res in performance mode. So it's a mode to lower image quality without any benefit to frame rate or graphical settings. This tells me that this is BARELY a PS5 game and they probably just recompiled it or whatever instead of doing any real work to take advantage of the PS5 hardware.
  • A few random textures are higher quality. OH MAN.
  • The draw distance is exactly the same, despite the fact that the PS5 has an immense bandwidth, RAM, and CPU advantage over the PS4.
  • Shadow resolution is identical. Something that is probably a variable in an ini file wasn't changed for the PS5 version.
  • All the cut scenes are now real time, but they're all 30 fps. If you play the PS4 version on PS5, though, you get the real time cutscenes at 60 fps.
  • Load times, which were fast already, are faster.
  • The game runs at full 4k in resolution mode, but there are still somehow checkboarding artifacts present. They couldn't turn it off?
  • No enhancements to any graphical effects.
I'm not touching this until there is a deep sale (like <$30 for the disc version) or they patch it to bring in more upgrades.

What a crock of shit.
It's 4K CBR. You can't turn off CBR at least you prefer to play at 1920x2160p.
 

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The fact that there are people on NeoGAF who are actually advocating for paid 'upgrades' that have been free for decades is fucking depressing. This is just as nauseating as horse armour was 15 years ago, and is completely in keeping with Sony's new philosophy: 'Fuck you cunts, give us your fucking money now'.

Nahhhh. I'm good.
Pay for the graphic upgrade has sense if it's worthy. Not seems the case here.
 
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Optimus Lime

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Pay for the graphic upgrade has sense if it's worthy. Not seems the case here.
Does it, though? Does it really?

These games are already really fucking expensive, and you think that Sony should be paid AGAIN just for updating their game to run on their own new system?

Shit, why not pay them a daily tithe for system updates too. What's wrong? Don't you want devs to be paid?
 
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Does it, though? Does it really?

These games are already really fucking expensive, and you think that Sony should be paid AGAIN just for updating their game to run on their own new system?

Shit, why not pay them a daily tithe for system updates too. What's wrong? Don't you want devs to be paid?
As I have already said, it depends of the effort of the developers. Your comparison is really stupid anyway
 
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Optimus Lime

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As I have already said, it depends of the effort of the developers.
What does that even mean? What constitutes 'effort'? And, who gives a fuck about the 'effort' they've put in? You're not grading a test paper, these are consumer products, and you have absolutely no relationship to any of these people.
 

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What does that even mean? What constitutes 'effort'? And, who gives a fuck about the 'effort' they've put in? You're not grading a test paper, these are consumer products, and you have absolutely no relationship to any of these people.
The hell you are talking about now 🤣 as I said, if the developers put a lot of work in the graphic upgrade, tech wise, I don't think it's wrong ask to extra money for it. Now what SP did is embarrassing and doesn't deserves a single penny.
 
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I remember arguing with some member that there was zero indication the PS5 version was going to get any meaningful next-gen goodies for that extra $10 fee we were paying.

Cynicism wins again.
 
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Optimus Lime

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The hell you are talking about now 🤣
I would have thought it was fairly obvious. You said that paying for game upgrades that used to be free is worth it depending on the 'effort' involved. I'm pointing out that using 'effort' as a measure of value is preposterous from a consumer perspective, and that you shouldn't give a shit about the 'effort' since these are consumer purchases, you aren't friends with these people.

Would you like me to simply the post even further for you, or will that do?
 

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If you are not already convinced that this is a money grab, this is the video to convince you.
 

assurdum

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I would have thought it was fairly obvious. You said that paying for game upgrades that used to be free is worth it depending on the 'effort' involved. I'm pointing out that using 'effort' as a measure of value is preposterous from a consumer perspective, and that you shouldn't give a shit about the 'effort' since these are consumer purchases, you aren't friends with these people.

Would you like me to simply the post even further for you, or will that do?
Most of the developers always claims to put a limited number of employees and hours of job because it's "for free". Now if they can put more resources just making pay, I have nothing against it.
 
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Optimus Lime

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Most of the developers put a minimal number of employees and hours of job because it's "free". Now if they can put more resources just making pay, I have nothing against it.
So, what if they worked EXTRA hard and charged three times as much for an upgrade? Would you pay that, too? I guess you would.
 

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So, what if they worked EXTRA hard and charged three times as much for an upgrade? Would you pay that, too? I guess you would.
I suspect you want just to blame me, not discuss about this matter. The level of absurdity you start to spread out it's palpable.
 
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Optimus Lime

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I suspect you want just to blame me and not discuss about this matter and nothing more it seems. The level of absurdity you start to spread out it's palpable.
Blame you? What are you talking about?

I'm engaging with the premise that you presented - that value is predicated on the effort involved. What's the problem?
 

Optimus Lime

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Did you at least read my post?
I did. You said that paying for upgrades that were once free is worth it if there is enough 'effort' involved. We are exploring that, and for some reason, it seems to be making you uncomfortable.
 

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I did. You said that paying for upgrades that were once free is worth it if there is enough 'effort' involved. We are exploring that, and for some reason, it seems to be making you uncomfortable.
So you didn't read my post. Because I never said something like that.
 
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The upgrade is definitely shit, but the real winner is in the patch. Lock on and being able to change your attack buttons will make this game far more enjoyable to play. The camera was straight up ass in the original release.
 

Optimus Lime

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The hell you are talking about now 🤣 as I said, if the developers put a lot of work in the graphic upgrade, tech wise, I don't think it's wrong ask to extra money for it. Now what SP did is embarrassing and doesn't deserves a single penny.

Most of the developers always claims to put a limited number of employees and hours of job because it's "for free". Now if they can put more resources just making pay, I have nothing against it.
I mean, why are you wasting my time like this?
 

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Yeah, this is genuinely an embarrassing release. I’m surprise reviewers are actually reviewing it. I wouldn’t have bothered. hopefully Sony will catch some flak for this and they can actually start putting some effing effort into this shit.
 
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assurdum

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I mean, why are you wasting my time like this?
Why you are so dense? I explained to you what I meant for extra effort. I never said we should pay for the graphic upgrade just for the sake of pay them. You are incredible lol. As I said if pay means put more hours of job and more graphic enhancement, I nothing against it. Not make me repeat it for the third time because you can't can stand my opinion lolo
 
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Optimus Lime

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Yeah, this is genuinely an embarrassing release. I’m surprise reviewers are actually reviewing it. I wouldn’t have bothered. hopefully Sony will catch some flak for this and they can actually start putting some effing effort into this shit.
Morgan Freeman voice:

"But, they didn't catch any flak for it, and continued to release only the most basic upgrades for ridiculous sums of money. And, their audience ate them up."
 
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Optimus Lime

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Why you are so dense? I explained to you what I meant for extra effort. I never said we should pay for the graphic upgrade just for the sake of pay. You are incredible lol.
You're the one who is being dense here, bud. Between your inarticulate posts and your goal shifting, you are making this even more pointless than it was at the start. Your babblings about 'effort' are ridiculous excuse making for exploitative, predatory bullshit. Enough now, the adults are talking.
 

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Luckily the game is great but if you are paying for this when the 60hz ps4 version is a genuine free upgrade then you crazy!
this is not a ps5 release at all.
 

assurdum

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You're the one who is being dense here, bud. Between your inarticulate posts and your goal shifting, you are making this even more pointless than it was at the start. Your babblings about 'effort' are ridiculous excuse making for exploitative, predatory bullshit. Enough now, the adults are talking.
The adults he said. My God. Talking about goal shifting. You know there are people with different opinions in the world fortunately.
 
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