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DF Direct: The Price of PS5 - Are We Looking At A $500 Console?
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
At one point consoles used to cost $299.
Fake
Member
Some old consoles probably beat that mark. Was not a standart.
V2Tommy
Member
The irony is that people that would buy a $999 console have more money and would actually buy more games, increasing attach rate.
The opposite side is people that bought a Dreamcast for $199 and pirated all the games.
Consoles are severely underpriced for the longevity of the product.
The opposite side is people that bought a Dreamcast for $199 and pirated all the games.
Consoles are severely underpriced for the longevity of the product.
01011001
Banned
HA, you actually think the average player nowadays buys multiple games? nah, what these people would do is buy the 1k system and buy Fifa for it, and then buy $5000 worth of in game player packs for it.
HeresJohnny
Member
And some consoles have cost $500 and $600 and they’ve tanked at those prices. Look, if your goal is to make the next PS3 or be Xbone X then by all means..
I was under the impression Sony wants to have another 100 million unit seller on its hands.
The ceiling has been established. Maybe a console will break that ceiling someday. The truth is that even as wildly successful as the PS4 has been, it still has missed out on entire portions of the market because it is still too expensive. We tend to think we are representative of the market, but we aren’t. We just get the ball rolling. It’s the other tens of millions of people who wait for price drops that make or break a console. If the price of the machine is $100 higher at launch, it’s going to be months before it gets down to even $399.
I guess we’ll see.
Bonfires Down
Member
I’m starting to think that Lockhart could do really well.
JareBear: Remastered
Banned
Fake
Member
What happens?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Gaming is one of the only markets that has not really scaled to inflation.
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HeresJohnny
Member
They fail to sell in numbers appreciable enough to keep software developers happy. Not enough hardware = not enough software being sold.
Fake
Member
Different times. Cross gen will play a huge role in this gen. As I said before, Sony will not give up PS4 when PS5 launch and probably neither Xbox. They will be selling at the same time.
ZywyPL
Banned
Even 499$ is very optimistic if you ask me - take the Pro as the starting point - 399$. Now throw bigger APU, more RAM, UHD BR, and better cooling - that's your X1X right there, which is 499, and is even being sold at a slight loss. And now further add even more RAM (and a newer one), SSD, possibly even bigger APU and appropriate cooling...
HeresJohnny
Member
Which adds even more of a barrier to PS5 adoption -- why buy a PS5 with no games for $500 or more when you can just keep playing your PS4? Is that the message to be sending?
Gavon West
Spread's Cheeks for Intrusive Ads
If the Series X is cheaper than $500, GP is doing banger numbers. More than most thought.
Fake
Member
You're missing fell huge points. I not because I say 'crossgen will play a huge role next gen ' means 'next gen will not get next gen games'.
Sony already confirmed PS5 will get their exclusives for use the potential of PS5 bump hardware. I'll be there for PS5 because if at least half of the PS4 library get some sort of update to reflex the specs bumps of PS4 to PS5, will be worth anyway.
Besides, what I find funny is, the same logic apply to PC. I mean, why you need to get a better CPU or a better GPU, when you can just keep playing on your current PC?
Concluding, Sony or Microsoft should not want to 100% their actual install base to instajump to their proper next gen, but just to make this transition a little more comfortable unlike Xbox 360 to Xbox One/ PS3 to PS4. This time their have a even more structure waiting for next gen.
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Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
If it were weaker like 8-9 tfs I could see it. Especially if they're less powerful than Xbox and that gets priced at $500 they shouldn't be the same price
Screamer-RSA
Member
PS5 Pro 599.99
Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
And a hell of a lot more than a $500 PC will get you. Bottom line is consoles are one hell of a bargain and if it's a big jump from PS4 I'll be happy
Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
My best prediction for next gen would be
Series S: $399
PS5: $499
Series X: $599
It will all be about whether Sony gets people to look at PS5 as a bargain and very similar to series x for $100 less or if they'll look at it as a rip-off and more similar to series S
Series S: $399
PS5: $499
Series X: $599
It will all be about whether Sony gets people to look at PS5 as a bargain and very similar to series x for $100 less or if they'll look at it as a rip-off and more similar to series S
J3nga
Member
Cuz they have to buy a new Iphone that'll come out around the same time.
Flyinmunky
Member
Here in UK i'm expecting ...
£429 minimum (Doubtful but would be happily surprised)
£449 to £479 (I'm guessing it will be one of these) If the spec is excellent then i'm ok with it.
£499...At this point i know some of my friends would hold off getting one at launch. Id still bite if specs and somethings launching with it i fancy.
£429 minimum (Doubtful but would be happily surprised)
£449 to £479 (I'm guessing it will be one of these) If the spec is excellent then i'm ok with it.
£499...At this point i know some of my friends would hold off getting one at launch. Id still bite if specs and somethings launching with it i fancy.
01011001
Banned
that would be the most interesting outcome. that situation would be a nice little experiment in the field of consumer choices... will the mass market go towards the lowest price, the highest specs or the middleground.
agreed!! people wait in line for new iPhone's, pay out the a$$ and do it again the following year. a console will hold you down for years. i know they're two different markets but money spent on luxury items is money spent
Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
In my profession I offer three sets of hardware at $1400, $1700, and $2000 that all get you ALMOST the same basic outcome. A few extra bells and whistles and some nice conveniences of differences but MOST of my customers pick the middle option. Another anecdote is that I just thought a Google pixel 4 for $800 when there was what I saw as a slightly better or basically the same iPhone pro for $1000 and a lesser iPhone for $700. I picked the middle option because I thought of it as the best value.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Sony did it with a $400 console. Not sure why $500 is impossible to sell. PLUS...........WHY THE HELL can't Sony and/or MS sell their next-gen console for $449? Is the mid way point just too dumb or scary of an idea?
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
01011001
Banned
that was what I though too. the balanced middle is psychologically very tempting I bet. in your mind you think "well it's not the best one but it's still good and not too expensive"
I bet there are studies that would suggest this to be very common in many places.
Krappadizzle
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Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
I think most people see the cheapest option as...well cheap. And when you get up high enough a $100 difference doesn't seem all that different but of course diminishing returns the higher you go. Of course we don't know what the stats are so if it were $100 between each one I honestly think it would depend on which PS5 looks more similar to when they show off games. If they look as shiney and flashy as Series X I think it would be very good for Sony. Sony has been not most powerful nor cheapest before during PS2 and PS1 so it's not a perfect strategy for beating them
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Jtibh
Banned
399?
Man i got kicked out cuz i told an idiot off cuz he was pushing for 299.
Nah you cant reason with liberal socialist hand out warriors.
In what universe do people expect 400 for a new console when it was 400 seven years ago.
Seven years ago i paid a third less for groceries than i do now.
But sure lets expect a console for 400 all while everyone is bitching about the minimum wage.
Well news flash. The more you pay for your employees the more the product will cost and i am not just talking about manufacturing but shipping and retail etc.
399 give me a break.
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Jtibh
Banned
I think more and more people buy multiple games given the convenience digital buy gives them with all its monthly deals.
Same goes for steam and epic.
I buy games i dont even care for if they are on a deep sale.
And if i realy want to cheap out there is gamepass.
To think about it you buy a console even at a 1000 bucks and you have 100's of games you can play for almost nothing.
Back then you bought your 200 console and spent 60 or up to a 100 for games.
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Krappadizzle
Gold Member
Back then they had all kind of "platinum hits, player's choice, etc" So with your $200 console you could buy Twisted Metal 2 or Die Hard Trilogy for $20.
Bryank75
Banned
It really annoys me how biased towards Xbox / MS a lot of these media types are... the endless articles of how Xcloud is the future and MS have the future all sown up and Xcloud is the next big thing...... and now of course we get DF repeating this 9.2TF bullshit.
Then he goes on to say Lockhart will be a good thing... LOL. Well, if holding back the entire industry is a good thing!?
Jesus, it's so tiresome.
Then he goes on to say Lockhart will be a good thing... LOL. Well, if holding back the entire industry is a good thing!?
Jesus, it's so tiresome.
Jtibh
Banned
Jtibh
Banned
What ever pays their bills.
But the bias is very much in your face nowdays.
Now imagine the destruction they will cause when sony is indeed 9.2
Its safe to say df is very biased towards microsoft.
Even when sony was on top it was always downplayed by them to favour xbox.
spawn
Member
I got that reference
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JareBear: Remastered
Banned
ive reached a point where I just can’t wait for the official prices to be announced either way
whatever it ends up being, there’s gonna be entertaining reactions no matter what
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VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
Please trust me when I say I'm trying to come at this from as non-bias of a standpoint as I can. But are you are saying that Sony is willing to take a loss in next gen software sales but not hardware? Or are they going to take a loss on both?
The reason the prices are important to the manufacturers is that the higher the price of the next gen consoles, the lower the adoption rate will be. The lower the adoption rate, the less they will make off of software sales (the biggest money maker as far as I know.) coming from those specific consoles.
Next gen AAA games are going to cost a lot to develop if current gen AAA games are anything to go by. Less adoption rate means making less money to cover that cost.
The way to mitigate this would be to not have software that was locked to a specific console. Which is why I think MS are smart for putting their games on as many of their consoles as possible right now, even though they won't be utilizing the full potential of their machine right off the bat. And less people miss out newer games while they save up to have more bells and whistles if they want. Which to me is more "comfortable" as you put it than Sony's approach of next gen console only games.
Not to mention how this complicates the split in marketing between next gen only and current gen games. Which are you going to prioritize? Current gen, where you get most of your software sales atm? Or next gen where, if your first party games are locked, you are trying to push adoption rates to make up for the crazy amounts of money you are spending developing it's software? The higher the bar to entry the harder the ladder is going to be. So then split the diff. Either way, it's more of a risk and a money sink.
And unless I'm misunderstanding you, your analogy about PC doesn't make sense in that, your library ALWAYS comes with you and is instantly upgraded if there are settings to turn up. Which, imo, is the most comfortable of all when talking about transitioning gens.
Again, sorry if I misunderstood. I'm actually in the middle of a project and taking a break bc my brain hurts.
Urprobablyright
Banned
Why's this a big deal? PS3 was $600 wasn't it? If you want it and you have a job you're going to be able to save for/afford it, it's a fraction the cost of a car~