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Analysis [DF] Destiny 2 PS5 vs Xbox Series X|S - A True Next-Gen Advantage

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https://www.neogaf.com/threads/df-destiny-2-ps5-vs-xbox-series-x-s-a-true-next-gen-advantage.1585788/post-261901496

 

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The actual level may not load until that is done. For all you know matchmaking takes 20 seconds or more and is non deterministic.
I don't think this is it. Single player games like Assassin's Creed: Valhalla had similar load times on next gen, despite being single player.
 

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I'm gonna quote you on something you said before the consoles released. You said XSX will have at least a 35% advantage on avg. or something when the comparisons start to come out. Now that the comparisons are out... That wishful "35% advantage" is nowhere to be seen. What do you have to say about that? 😉

you cant, 'cos i never said the above. :messenger_smiling_with_eyes:
 

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you cant, 'cos i never said the above. :messenger_smiling_with_eyes:

It's on bae!
Oh you went from parity to a huge gap? Seems like someone getting soft down there :messenger_sunglasses:

Anyway, my predictions over the gen, Series X will get up to 35% advantage over PS5, not sure if that's huge for you. But that's my score card down.
It only took 40 seconds. :messenger_relieved:
 
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longdi

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They've been a trillion dollar company since they created the first xbox, they come in behind Sony & Nintendo every generation. At least they are consistent, last place without fail.

Finger crossed Nintendo stuff up the switch Pro then maybe second is on the cards.

It seems wrong to you because you are an xbox coolaid drinker who thinks they are good at what they do. Not even Microsoft think they are good at what they do, that's why game pass is becoming the biggest part of xboxs prioritises.

It is down to Don Matrick, aint it so?

A pity considering Don is from the same developer background as Cerny.
Since Don came onboard, he killed the X360 momentum with Kinect. He killed the Xbox brand momentum with One.
Before that, X360 was bearing down the neck of PS brand.
We lost a whole gen with One.

Thank god we had Phil turning things back. I cant believe you think GPU is a bad thing? What then of Sony killing their own Japan studios?
With GPU, Phil killed 2 birds with 1 stone. Remember gamers were asking for MS commitment to PC gaming? There you have it.
That's why some like me, with no stakes in the console branding, is watching, hoping MS continue to bring the goods.
Was so excited MS bought Zenimax, it meant so many things. Of all, it means the whole might of MS is behind Phil. :messenger_bicep:

You gotta thank Phil for providing a strong alternative to Sony, imagine without Xbox, Jimbo will unleash full tyranny.
SX got off to a shakey start, but the potential is there. Clear as day. 🤷‍♀️
 

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30 seconds waiting for a sever to respond? I don't think server has anything to do with loading a level.


Yet it loads way way faster than the old PS4 version.

The question was - why is PS5 loading not better than the Series X version.

Maybe try answering the question properly before you start insulting people
Because it obvious you're asking a flaming question, "oh my god if the ps5 ssd is so fast why doesn't it load faster?" I could also ask you why the XsX drops frames when the ps5 is more consistent not only on this game but in 98% of games released so far when it has 12supeeTF of mega power? Console wars are fucking stupid, grow up.
 

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What are you even Talking about? XSX is also Full of customization.
As soon as the RDNA 2.0 games arrive the difference will be much bigger, since PS5 does not support all RDNA 2.0 feature, whereas XSX indeed does.
Since PS5 is basically a 2019 console the devkits are more matures. That’s also why we see more nextgen games on PS5. It simply has a year more time.
Like ps4 Pro arrived earlier than one X. But the wait for all RDNA 2.0 features will pay off in the long run. These consoles are going to last for at least 5 years.
GAF needs to clean up house and get rid of these kind of idiots.
 

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Load times are dubious...

Even in PVE content you’re put into a multiplayer lobby.

Shame that it seems like they just played the first level of Cosmodrome, Shadowkeep and Beyond Light.

Digital Foundry half assed this and it’s unfortunate? Disappointing after Skill Up launched a stellar review video for it earlier in the week.

You know what would actually stress the game out? Literally any raid.

There’s no doubt that D2 on next gen is running with a huge amount of overhead available too.
 
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It is down to Don Matrick, aint it so?

A pity considering Don is from the same developer background as Cerny.
Since Don came onboard, he killed the X360 momentum with Kinect. He killed the Xbox brand momentum with One.
Before that, X360 was bearing down the neck of PS brand.
We lost a whole gen with One.

Thank god we had Phil turning things back. I cant believe you think GPU is a bad thing? What then of Sony killing their own Japan studios?
With GPU, Phil killed 2 birds with 1 stone. Remember gamers were asking for MS commitment to PC gaming? There you have it.
That's why some like me, with no stakes in the console branding, is watching, hoping MS continue to bring the goods.
Was so excited MS bought Zenimax, it meant so many things. Of all, it means the whole might of MS is behind Phil. :messenger_bicep:

You gotta thank Phil for providing a strong alternative to Sony, imagine without Xbox, Jimbo will unleash full tyranny.
SX got off to a shakey start, but the potential is there. Clear as day. 🤷‍♀️
Why blame Don Matrick and not the Xbox division?
To me, Kinect had nothing to do with Xbox down fall. Yea it played a part, but it was always about the games.

And why you keep talking about Phil like he did something.
7 years and no block buster game from Phil. And I'm not talking about Gears or Halo as they where around before him.
Gamers like new and innovative games not Crack Down 3.

And MS buying Zenimax was a waste imo.
2 or 3 new Studios would have been better.
 
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So you expect a 35% delta when the series x is currently behind (or reaches parity at best)?

Where is this going to come from? Do you also buy AMD graphics cards on the promise that the drivers will eventually mature?

Could be the tools, it could be the extra CUs they are causing the problem. It could also be that RDNA2 isn't fully activated in the system. I've also read a theory on how Sony will patch the PS5 to run at slower clocks due to over heating issues.

What I do know is that nobody is giving a clear answer to why this is happening.
 
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Phil Spencer’s favorite game. Secured deal to give xbox users newest content for free to headline gamespass at series s/x launch... Yet gets the worse version?

Phil Spencer has proven Jack shit thus far

Still Don Mattrick's fault.
 

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As of this minute, this year which console between a Ps5 and an Xbox would you recommend to the general user?

Its a simple question,
Single player third person game fan? PlayStation. Multi player game fan? Xbox.

Playstation has more variety than Xbox. Fanboy gonna fanboy.
Based on what Mr Non fanboy? Show me what game genres Sony publishes MS does not.
 
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Could be the told, it could be the extra CUs they are causing the problem. It could also be that RDNA2 isn't fully activated in the system. I've also read a theory on how Sony will patch the PS5 to run at slower clocks due to over heating issues.

What I do know is that nobody is giving a clear answer to why this is happening.

The bold is hilarious.
 

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Single player third person game fan? PlayStation. Multi player game fan? Xbox.


Based on what Mr Non fanboy? Show me what game genres Sony publishes MS does not.
VR games? For example, mobile family games like quizz etc. I can't think of an open world rpg like GoT on Xbox side but my memory may be faulty on that one(I guess you could count outer world since it came out after the buying,it's a bit of a stretch but can be considered as valid).
A fuckton of japanese games so yeah they have published a very varied list of game genres(I'm not saying MS hasn't either just a little bit less varied).
 

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Xbox as this gens niche exclusive box. Interesting
Starfield and Doom now niche ok.

Elder scrolls also niche?


Well, i take 2 fps drops in SX over paying 100$ for expansion packs on PS5 for Destiny 2. Thank you.

On SX its in Game pass, entire experience.
 
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Starfield and Doom now niche ok.

Elder scrolls also niche?


Well, i take 2 fps drops in SX over paying 100$ for expansion packs on PS5 for Destiny 2. Thank you.

On SX its in Game pass, entire experience.
Elder Scrolls will not be exclusive, but I do hope it's timed exclusive so other consoles get the game of the year edition with far less bugs.
 
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Single player third person game fan? PlayStation. Multi player game fan? Xbox.


Based on what Mr Non fanboy? Show me what game genres Sony publishes MS does not.

Come on bud, this is why xbox fans struggle to be taken seriously around here.

It's a ps5 every day and every week of the year.

Microsoft offers very little atm in terms of quality and games to compete with sony.

Sony has the performance crown atm.
Sony has better hardware than Microsoft( a 10.2 tflop machine beating a 12tflop machine)
Sony has a cheaper system by 100 bucks that outdoes the best console Microsoft has to offer.
Sony has exclusive games
Sony has the superior next-gen controller
Sony has killer exclusives coming out this year.

There is only 1 console worth getting atm and its the ps5.

In 3-4 years time maybe this will change but if you honestly recommend a random consumer to buy an xbox, you are basically duping them and selling them an inferior product and second place.
 
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Because it obvious you're asking a flaming question, "oh my god if the ps5 ssd is so fast why doesn't it load faster?" I could also ask you why the XsX drops frames when the ps5 is more consistent not only on this game but in 98% of games released so far when it has 12supeeTF of mega power? Console wars are fucking stupid, grow up.
I'd actually like to know why both next gen consoles take so long to load .. with either 25x or 50x the transfer rate (of last gen consoles) - yet both takes ages..

Maybe you can answer the actual question instead of going on the attack when you don't like what is being asked or maybe just because you don't know the answer ?
 
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Well, in that same video, the Xbox One X only takes 10 more seconds to load the same thing, despite its vastly inferior hardware. I don't think taking that long on the new consoles is due to any kind of hardware bottleneck. I mean we already have large games that load in a couple of seconds. It's a large shift from HDD, some just need to catch up.
Loading in destiny is based on all players connection and location... it can be faster like 15-20s or a madness over 1 minute depending of the of the all players in the firetrap.
 
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Since this thread is so far off the rails, I’ll add my 2 cents. I’ll be happy with ps5 as my main console when the ssds hit. It’s absurdly low storage is killing me. Thing just came out and it’s already full. No option but to redownload games, why can’t I just transfer to an hdd.

As long as they hit soon and are around the price of the Xbox one I’ll be happy. Sure the other missing features will trickle in as well but that’s the big one for me.
 
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Loading in destiny is based on all players connection and location... it can be faster like 15-20s or a madness over 1 minute depending of the of the all players in the firetrap.

I understand about matching players but AssCreed:Valhalla is also slow to load :

It's similar numbers - ~25sec for Series X, ~30sec for PS% -- comparison's aside- both times are trash imo, compared to what the promise was..

It's not like it's a small studio .. supposedly dev kits have been out for 1year+ and the transition/tools is supposed to be easy.

Wondering what is going on with these disappointing load times on third party.
 
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This ''premature driver/tools optimization" is just an unproven myth. There have been no actual developers complaining about it stating that performance is poor and they're difficult to use.
And i never said that. Im simply logically deducing the performance deficit that can be observed in these early multi plat titles.

It's more an excuse that some people have created for the results that we're having in basically all games so far.
I think the reality is kinda different.
On the hardware side marketing wanted to highlight the GPU on-paper peak teraflops as the only meaningful figure representative of real world performance of the whole system. It simply isn't. Being able to remove the bottlenecks over the whole graphics pipeline and being able to keep the CUs constantly well fed is much more important to real performance than a peak theoretical figure when differences are small in first place (18% like in this case).
Where am i talking about tf as a metric? When i talk about drivers, i talk about the pipeline as a whole. Admittely i should have clarified this better.

So basically, the situation we're seeing right now will stick for the whole gen.
So how does this specifically take account for the PS5 perf we are seeing?
 

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And i never said that. Im simply logically deducing the performance deficit that can be observed in these early multi plat titles.


Where am i talking about tf as a metric? When i talk about drivers, i talk about the pipeline as a whole. Admittely i should have clarified this better.


So how does this specifically take account for the PS5 perf we are seeing?
 

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“A true next gen advantage”

?? So, is that from DF or did you make that up on your own? That’s not the title of the article on their page.

The article says the PS5 has a very slightly more stable frame rate but also uses dynamic resolution scaling more often to achieve that. They barely detected any dynamic resolution scaling on the Xbox, but did see the occasional dropped frame. It’s the same trade off we’ve seen before. The PS5 has better frame rate because the dynamic resolution scaling occurs more often (the DRS is slightly more aggressive in order to keep the frame rate up on PS5)

I feel like we’ve got a potential clickbait thread and a bunch of misinform in this thread.

From the article:


“The games are effectively identical - with PS5 showing only a slightly higher frequency of resolution drops under 4K. In fact, evidence does seem to point towards the Microsoft machine not using DRS much, if at all. 60fps performance is generally excellent on Series X too, but it does have some minor frame-rate drops from the target 60fps, while PlayStation 5 is slightly more consistent in this area. In short: a touch more clarity on Xbox, but a very occasionally smoother ride on the Sony machine.”
But then the vid and article was updated that sx does use drs also so...

 
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