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DF: Battlefield 2042: PS5 vs Xbox Series X/S - The Digital Foundry Tech Review

Sosokrates

Founder of western console warring.
It's not matter about how much count for someone but how much are really perceivable for the most.

But thats where all the console war semantics comes in.

Whos to say that the difference between 1700p and 1900p is less important then the difference between 900p and 1080p.

Visual arguments on consoles have been about small differences for a long time and today is know different.
 

Mr Moose

Member


Another picture. Which is more aliased in the long lines?
First one has better shadows, second one is sharper.
Edit: I just checked which is which, that's interesting.
 
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Komachi from Twitter.


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We finally have RDNA2 die shot,
Maybe a new thread is needed for this.

Ah ok.

But I don't ever remember Komachi saying the PS5 was vastly inferior to the XSX. I always thought the one who leaked it told us that.

Now I'm curious as to who started those claims.
 
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Mr Moose

Member
No, i just want to know which is which.
Yeah I was curious and checked afterwards, but it's best without a label so people can talk about the differences between them without bias. If they are labelled someone might say X is better than Y just because it's their fave.
 

Sosokrates

Founder of western console warring.
Yeah I was curious and checked afterwards, but it's best without a label so people can talk about the differences between them without bias. If they are labelled someone might say X is better than Y just because it's their fave.

I see your point, but its anoying for people who just want to know which console has the better looking version.
 

Sosokrates

Founder of western console warring.
If you have to label them for your convenience, the difference can’t be big enough for it to matter in the end

I think it was a fun experiment, I can’t tell them apart at all.

Yeah the differences are small, slightly more alaising on PS5.
 

Loxus

Member
Ah ok.

But I don't ever remember Komachi saying the PS5 was vastly inferior to the XSX. I always thought the one who leaked it told us that.

Now I'm curious as to who started those claims.
I don't know who started it, could be someone from reset.
But as to whom made it well known, I'll say.
blueisviolet -> colteastwood -> Digital Foundy
 
I can't care less. I just said ps5 can have better IQ in some shot even with less native pixels and I proved it. Never talked of abyssal difference. Find a single post by me about the superior version. Hardly I engage such conversation. I'm not Riky or Berndt.
Yup they still look the same to me. Just like the last pictures
Yeah I was curious and checked afterwards, but it's best without a label so people can talk about the differences between them without bias. If they are labelled someone might say X is better than Y just because it's their fave.
On my phone zoomed they looked pretty much identical to me.

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Looking at the tower in the middle they both look equally shitty.
 
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I don't know who started it, could be someone from reset.
But as to whom made it well known, I'll say.
blueisviolet -> colteastwood -> Digital Foundy

Maybe but with Digital Foundry it seems like they didn't really understand what they were looking at. Blueisviolent and colt were definitely going full fanboy with it though.
 

Loxus

Member
Maybe but with Digital Foundry it seems like they didn't really understand what they were looking at. Blueisviolent and colt were definitely going full fanboy with it though.
Yea, I still think it was tests related to backwards compatibility.
But DF should have asked themselves why XBSX test are in there as well.
 

SlimySnake

Member
Finally got a 4k TV now and… boy these small res differences can impossibly be noticeable to anyone.
I can’t tell 1440p from 4k.

Maybe I just need glasses, I’m getting old.
1440p to 4k is a massive difference. The problem is that these games run at varying resolutions so it can be hard to perceive a drop from say 1800p to 1620p.
 

dem

Member
Finally got a 4k TV now and… boy these small res differences can impossibly be noticeable to anyone.
I can’t tell 1440p from 4k.

Maybe I just need glasses, I’m getting old.

I'm with you. Also feeling old. I could barely tell when the Series X dashboard updated to 4k.

4k is not doing much for me.
 
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skit_data

Member
1440p to 4k is a massive difference. The problem is that these games run at varying resolutions so it can be hard to perceive a drop from say 1800p to 1620p.
I think the screen size and viewing distance matters too, I got a 55 inch one and I’m sitting about 3 meters away. I could probably tell the difference on a 65 inch TV. Its possible I haven’t viewed enough 4k content as well, I’ve mostly been playing and as you say, DRS makes it harder to get that A/B comparison.
 

skit_data

Member
I'm with you. Also feeling old. I could barely tell when the Series X dashboard updated to 4k.

4k is not doing much for me.
I booted up my PS3 to look at the XMB just to get a prime example of a 1080p image. It simply looks really good as well. Maybe it’s just because I went from a old 2009 42 inch LCD-TV without HDR to an 55 inch LG C8. The biggest difference so far that I really noticed are that the blacks really are pitch black and that all colours are popping.
 

MonarchJT

Banned
Considered in some shots IQ seems even better on ps5 who care? Still unbelievable see the same side continue to deny to see any difference when even El Analist noticed it. At least some intellectual honesty would be appreciable. Again can someone post a screenshot where XSX higher resolution is clearly evident? There are tons of sources. I just read excuse but not a factual single evidence of the superior 17% resolution in action.
that texture filtering is nothing that can change performance probably will get fixed later like in Dirt 5. i was talking about the GPU gulf. Is there and is showing in pixel count
 

SlimySnake

Member
I think the screen size and viewing distance matters too, I got a 55 inch one and I’m sitting about 3 meters away. I could probably tell the difference on a 65 inch TV. Its possible I haven’t viewed enough 4k content as well, I’ve mostly been playing and as you say, DRS makes it harder to get that A/B comparison.
Try playing a PC game in 4k then change to 1440p. It will look like you almost zoomed in. Pixels become twice as large.
 

MonarchJT

Banned
I can't care less. I just said ps5 can have better IQ in some shot even with less native pixels and I proved it. Never talked of abyssal difference. Find a single post by me about the superior version. Hardly I engage such conversation. I'm not Riky or Berndt.
stop it ....is your mind generation bs because it want it to happen
 
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FrankWza

Member
in this game
the PS5 run tall 17% lower res
at the same fps

there is the gulf
There is no huge difference for anyone who bought a series x for multiplats and a PS5 for the exclusives. That was a very popular sentiment prelaunch. Game to game the differences are very small either way. If you want access to every single game that releases, then yes, by all means buy both. But if you can do without the exclusives from either company they are both strong consoles and it comes down to a matter of which exclusives you prefer. You’re not going to be deprived of anything.. Especially when PS gets the VRR update.
 

Mr Moose

Member
Yup they still look the same to me. Just like the last pictures

On my phone zoomed they looked pretty much identical to me.

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Looking at the tower in the middle they both look equally shitty.
Trees on the left look shaper along with the railing looking clearer (more full) in the second pic, shadows near the No Smoking thing look better in the first pic to me.
You have to squint to tell the difference between them really lol, they are equally as good/bad as each other, no one would be able to tell which is which looking at the two without them being labelled.
 

MikeM

Member
I posted the 300% zoom of the tower you mentioned looking a tiny bit better on Xbox. Don't think any of the differences aside from the big stutters would be noticable while playing though.
This reminds me of Doom Eternal 120fps modes on PS5 and Series X. I have it for both systems and can’t see the difference between 1580p vs 1800p on my TV. Yet DF told me PS5 is noticeably softer.
I placed the game on at the same time and switched between inputs- could not tell the difference at my sitting distance. 🤷‍♂️
And agreed on the stutters- nasty impacts to gameplay.
 

SlimySnake

Member
Ah ok.

But I don't ever remember Komachi saying the PS5 was vastly inferior to the XSX. I always thought the one who leaked it told us that.

Now I'm curious as to who started those claims.
Dusk Golem, Colbert, Colt Eastwood, DukeBlueBalls, Timdog, Klobrie, and a bunch of other Xbox Era Discord members. Basically all the github truthers. They didnt get a hold of the github files Komachi pulled from until around november or December of 2019, but once that released, they were sure the PS5 was just 9 tflops and upped from 8 tflops in response to the XSX's 12 tflops rumors. They were sure that it would never hit 2.0 ghz in a console so they assumed the PS5 was actually an 8 tflops machine that would make xsx 50% more powerful. A lot of those guys are back on gaf now under different names. I can tell from the posting style.

Gaf had its own share of github truthers, but most of them either self banned or were banned for spouting the 9 tflops nonsense. Too lazy to go back and pull up posts but most of those guys are gone so whats the point.

komachi and Apisak are just data miners. They have no allegiance.

What's clear is that there no 9 tflops clocks downgrade. No variable clocks bs. Cerny was right and if there is a downgrade in clockspeeds its only a couple of percent at best seeing as how it doesnt seem to matter that much. PS5 can go up to 230 Watts which suggests there is no reason to expect a massive downgrade in clockspeeds. The ingame results speak for themselves. These guys based everything on some outdated tests and ended up looking like idiots. I remember posting time and time again that the 1.8 ghz and 2.0 ghz clocks suggested that these consoles probably werent RDNA 1.0, but nope. They were convinced the PS5 had no ray tracing because the ray tracing column was empty lol.
 
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Md Ray

Member
Most XSS games look great on a 1080p set
Erm, my response has nothing to do with XSS. It was in response to "4K is not doing much for me". As in, yeah, you're right even John from DF thinks so too. As he says "Native 4K doesn't matter and isn't worth chasing", which I agree.
 

SlimySnake

Member
Erm, my response has nothing to do with XSS. It was in response to "4K is not doing much for me". As in, yeah, you're right even John from DF thinks so too. As he says "Native 4K doesn't matter and isn't worth chasing", which I agree.
1440p with TAA is fine for next gen consoles. If I want 4k I can always get a PC.

Same reason why i dont care much for 60 fps on consoles. All the GOTY winners last gen were 30 fps games. 60 fps doesnt make or break a game. 30 fps with good motion blur and smoother controls is good enough. With mid gen consoles and PC ports of even first party games there is no reason to limit console games to 60 fps. Especially since going from native 4k 30 fps to 1440p 60 fps has a much larger requirement than just a resolution downgrade. Guardians and Ratchet both had to substantially downgrade the visuals in order to get 60 fps.
 

SlimySnake

Member
Ah ok.

But I don't ever remember Komachi saying the PS5 was vastly inferior to the XSX. I always thought the one who leaked it told us that.

Now I'm curious as to who started those claims.


Dusk Golem, Colbert, Colt Eastwood, DukeBlueBalls, Timdog, Klobrie, and a bunch of other Xbox Era Discord members. Basically all the github truthers. They didnt get a hold of the github files Komachi pulled from until around november or December of 2019, but once that released, they were sure the PS5 was just 9 tflops and upped from 8 tflops in response to the XSX's 12 tflops rumors. They were sure that it would never hit 2.0 ghz in a console so they assumed the PS5 was actually an 8 tflops machine that would make xsx 50% more powerful. A lot of those guys are back on gaf now under different names. I can tell from the posting style.

Gaf had its own share of github truthers, but most of them either self banned or were banned for spouting the 9 tflops nonsense. Too lazy to go back and pull up posts but most of those guys are gone so whats the point.

komachi and Apisak are just data miners. They have no allegiance.

What's clear is that there no 9 tflops clocks downgrade. No variable clocks bs. Cerny was right and if there is a downgrade in clockspeeds its only a couple of percent at best seeing as how it doesnt seem to matter that much. PS5 can go up to 230 Watts which suggests there is no reason to expect a massive downgrade in clockspeeds. The ingame results speak for themselves. These guys based everything on some outdated tests and ended up looking like idiots. I remember posting time and time again that the 1.8 ghz and 2.0 ghz clocks suggested that these consoles probably werent RDNA 1.0, but nope. They were convinced the PS5 had no ray tracing because the ray tracing column was empty lol.
Quoting myself because couldnt insert quotes in edit mode.

This guy below was easily the worst offender of perpetuating the myth of the PS5 being vastly inferior.

I'm hearing that it's larger than what people expect.
I don't have that info. I was told that in realworld performance, it's a bigger gap than the theoretical performance (12T vs. 10T). I wasn't given any other details other than that, so take it with a grain of salt.

And yea, I think that was Far Cry that I saw. Thanks for clearing this up.

I had these in my bookmarks because even then I knew this guy was a bullshitter.


 
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Erm, my response has nothing to do with XSS. It was in response to "4K is not doing much for me". As in, yeah, you're right even John from DF thinks so too. As he says "Native 4K doesn't matter and isn't worth chasing", which I agree.
Sorry I must of got confused by the first 4 words being "The Xbox series S"

John of course doesn't care about 4k. John cares about 60fps 60fps 60fps 60fps 60fps 60fps 60fps 60fps

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SlimySnake SlimySnake haha I bet you the ps5 is larger than what people expected
 
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Mr Moose

Member
Quoting myself because couldnt insert quotes in edit mode.

This guy below was easily the worst offender of perpetuating the myth of the PS5 being vastly inferior.




I had these in my bookmarks because even then I knew this guy was a bullshitter.


What was the AC Valhalla accurate statement?
 

SlimySnake

Member
What was the AC Valhalla accurate statement?
He backpeddled on that one and suggested that Far Cry 6 would not be 60 fps on the PS5, only on XSX. Which was one of the rumors at the time.

Notice how he always latched on to those rumors and said he had heard similar things. Valhalla ended up performing better on the PS5.
 

Riky

My little VRR pleasure pearl goes vrrrooommm.
This is after the patch which made the PS5 version worse and improved the Xbox version. It's also still a higher res on PS5.

That's the last metrics we have, framerate is better on Xbox with less torn frames.
 

Md Ray

Member
Sorry I must of got confused by the first 4 words being "The Xbox series S"

John of course doesn't care about 4k. John cares about 60fps 60fps 60fps 60fps 60fps 60fps 60fps 60fps

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SlimySnake SlimySnake haha I bet you the ps5 is larger than what people expected
He doesn't care as long as the image quality holds up well by means of AI upscaling/reconstruction/checkerboard rendering and looks closer to native 4K.

He continues: "but finding ways to make images look OK on fixed pixel displays is very important."
 
Quoting myself because couldnt insert quotes in edit mode.

This guy below was easily the worst offender of perpetuating the myth of the PS5 being vastly inferior.




I had these in my bookmarks because even then I knew this guy was a bullshitter.



Sort of reminds me of when Dusk said the PS5 was really struggling with games. I honestly haven't seen that with the PS5 to be honest.
 
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