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"Cyberpunk 2077 needs 4-5 months of work to be polished and ready" Reddit undercover CDPR dev vetted by Jason Schreier

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My problem with Jason is that for every time he makes an interesting and good article or journalistic work he has 10 tweets acting smug and being hypocritical.

I'll never forget how one month after he posted a tweet saying we should all make fun of huge corporations and big companies he raged and called the guy who asked Blizzard about 'Out of Season April Fool's Joke' an emblem of entitled disgusting hate filled gamer babies.
 

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No doubt this game is coming in way too hot. They should just delay to well into 2021 and stfu. Keep your head down and let people get to work (without grinding them into dust) instead of building this pressure for a game that will run sub optimally on release. I don't see the benefit of that approach.

Looking like the knuckleheads behind the Halo Infinite debut. How embarrassing.
This is the only acceptable response, management have fucked up big style on this, they should try and salvage this by just delaying and preserving the sanity of there top level dev talent
 

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That's an enormous strawman argument.

But its not. I don't really care what you issue is with this Jason person, you can hate him and still see what is being stated is pretty fucking valid.

All developers have issues

Correct, but Jason is simply just point those issues out bud.

Developers should push the envelope

No one is saying they shouldn't, but 4 fucking release dates in 2020? A host of removed features? I'm sure they want to make a solid game, but I don't buy that the game being ambisous is why we have 4 release dates in 2020. That sounds more like a management issue or worse, a developer issue. So not enough is really happening in this game to really support all that is going on right now.

Its a open world game with cars and guns, I'm sure the quality is top notch, but the concept of this title isn't revolutionary, not a single thing can be stated about this game in terms of its actual features to tell me its never been done as if we've never had open world games before with choices, its simply not enough to support all the issues going on right now.

But Schreier has made a point to unload as much shit on them

He made them make the statements about no mandatory crunch? Sir....this person is not the ONLY FUCKING PERSON bringing this up with this developer, its own fucking fans are bring this up, many sites are brining this up. The issue isn't that Jason is "unloading" its that the developer made deeply contrasting statements and paid for it.

Thats their fucking fault. No on forced them to make those dumb comments. So he could have said NOTHING and I would still be telling you the same fucking thing. Stop making such bold, dumb and strange statements that can come back to haunt you. We can relax with making it seem as if Jason did mind control and MADE CDPR make those fucking comments.

Yet, this is going to be short-lived

Doubtful. The comments on this fucking thread alone show lots don't forget Witcher 3's issues and I doubt they'll forget this issue when their next game is announced.

CDPR made this a pattern of behavior.

Not 1 fucking journalist. My god, the meat of your entire post is "i'm mad at dis Jason", instead of realizing what is being pointed out by him is now being pointed out by many fans, websites and anyone else with eyes and a brain who see this developer has a funny habit of saying one thing and doing another.

Several people on this very site jokingly stated they would have some other apology, reversal etc and here we are. They bring this upon themselves.

Sooooo JASON didn't make them state "no mandatory crunch", JASON didn't make them state "no more delays" and JASON didn't delay the game.

LarknThe4th LarknThe4th Facts. They are in this mess because they keep making dumbass statements. I know crunch happens, I know games get delayed, but shit maybe someone should tell CDPR that as they keep making really dumbass statements acting as if that can't ever effect them or something. As if its their first time making a game, be like "NO DELAYS guys, ZERO CRUNCH, no MTX for us we leave that to others"

(then painfully realize you need to walk back all those statements)

"Ok guys apology, reversal, 180, OK look, what had happened was..."
 
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He is a cunt, but his knowledge in the industry is unrivalled, even his biggest critics can admit that.
No he is a cunt.

He is just setting himself up for the future. If the game is delayed, he gets to preen and say "told you so". Then go on another lecture about crunch this, crunch that blah blah blah

If not, he will look for the second a bug hits the internet, and signalboost it, screaming CDPR is releasing a broken game 4 months early. They are lying to their base, investors, blah blah blah.

Either way, he will get hits
 

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No one is saying they shouldn't, but 4 fucking release dates in 2020? A host of removed features? I'm sure they want to make a solid game, but I don't buy that the game being ambisous is why we have 4 release dates in 2020. That sounds more like a management issue or worse, a developer issue. So not enough is really happening in this game to really support all that is going on right now.
If that is what it takes, than 4. Hell 5, 6, 7 who fucking cares?

They make big ambiguous games. Not yearly retreads. That means delays, that means cuts, that means bugs at launch.

It's like everyone forgot witcher 3. None of this shit will matter in the end.
 
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But its not. I don't really care what you issue is with this Jason person, you can hate him and still see what is being stated is pretty fucking valid.



Correct, but Jason is simply just point those issues out bud.



No one is saying they shouldn't, but 4 fucking release dates in 2020? A host of removed features? I'm sure they want to make a solid game, but I don't buy that the game being ambisous is why we have 4 release dates in 2020. That sounds more like a management issue or worse, a developer issue. So not enough is really happening in this game to really support all that is going on right now.

Its a open world game with cars and guns, I'm sure the quality is top notch, but the concept of this title isn't revolutionary, not a single thing can be stated about this game in terms of its actual features to tell me its never been done as if we've never had open world games before with choices, its simply not enough to support all the issues going on right now.



He made them make the statements about no mandatory crunch? Sir....this person is not the ONLY FUCKING PERSON bringing this up with this developer, its own fucking fans are bring this up, many sites are brining this up. The issue isn't that Jason is "unloading" its that the developer made deeply contrasting statements and paid for it.

Thats their fucking fault. No on forced them to make those dumb comments. So he could have said NOTHING and I would still be telling you the same fucking thing. Stop making such bold, dumb and strange statements that can come back to haunt you. We can relax with making it seem as if Jason did mind control and MADE CDPR make those fucking comments.



Doubtful. The comments on this fucking thread alone show lots don't forget Witcher 3's issues and I doubt they'll forget this issue when their next game is announced.

CDPR made this a pattern of behavior.

Not 1 fucking journalist. My god, the meat of your entire post is "i'm mad at dis Jason", instead of realizing what is being pointed out by him is now being pointed out by many fans, websites and anyone else with eyes and a brain who see this developer has a funny habit of saying one thing and doing another.

Several people on this very site jokingly stated they would have some other apology, reversal etc and here we are. They bring this upon themselves.

Sooooo JASON didn't make them state "no mandatory crunch", JASON didn't make them state "no more delays" and JASON didn't delay the game.

LarknThe4th LarknThe4th Facts. They are in this mess because they keep making dumbass statements. I know crunch happens, I know games get delayed, but shit maybe someone should tell CDPR that as they keep making really dumbass statements acting as if that can't ever effect them or something. As if its their first time making a game, be like "NO DELAYS guys, ZERO CRUNCH, no MTX for us we leave that to others"

(then painfully realize you need to walk back all those statements)

"Ok guys apology, reversal, 180, OK look, what had happened was..."

Imagine writing an entire wall of text to defend Jason Schreier, a closet politician and mediocre book peddler pretending to be a journalist who doesn't even touch the keyboard unless it's politically-charged or sensationalized drama and blocks on Twitter literally anyone who dares to discuss what he vomits. Apparently, he believes he's Hideki Kamiya (only, Hideki Kamiya actually did something valuable in his life). 😂

Keep half-wittingly shaking your fist at CD-Projekt. You have just a little more than a month before all you (and Jason) say is entirely irrelevant. Not that it has any relevance now, mind you.

PS: The Witcher 3 has both critics score and user score between 9.1 and 9.4 on Metacritic, won a giant wagonload of Game of the Year awards, and it's considered by most people with a working brain one of the best games of all time, on top of being one of the most commercially successful games of all time with 30 million copies sold and counting. There's very little chance that Cyberpunk 2077 will be any different. So much for people "not forgetting the issues."

CD Projekt and its developers (the real ones) are going to laugh all the way to the bank while the few haters scream from their basements.
 
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Probably should have taken the Fromsoftware rout about Elden Ring.

Say nothing.

Pretty much. They have no one else to blame but themselves.

Don't want to get a backlash on crunch? Stop fucking telling people you'll have "no mandatory crunch"
Don't want to get a backlash on delays? Stop fucking telling people you'll have "no more delays"

My god, its as if they are so dumb, they don't realize that you can't make such stupid fucking overzealous arrogant statements like this.

Abriael_GN Abriael_GN Yea..going to have to ignore you man, stopped reading at "to defend Jason Schreier". You just don't understand that you can dislike a person and still agree that something is wrong with the games management, development, PR etc. Sorry man but you just can't stop being triggered over this dude enough to understand what anyone is saying.

Basically anyone that disagrees with you is automatically a fanboy of this dude, even if they fucking agree he is a scumbag.
 
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Abriael_GN Abriael_GN Yea..going to have to ignore you man,

Gotta love the "I'll ignore you, neener neener!" announcement thing like it actually served any meaning or like people actually cared.

Looks like you can't understand that it's very possible to recognize that game developers have issues (they all do) and also point out that specific issues have been maliciously and intentionally overblown by sensationalist press with a giant, in-your-face agenda, which is exactly the case here.
 
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1. I don't see how is this an issue? They were probably confident about that release date at that time. What's the solution here? To release the game even though you know it's not in an acceptable state? Surely it's better to delay it again, though, I would say they should have delay it to 2021, instead of December.

2. For every crunch story, you have a dev saying it's not that bad and that some people are just so devoted to release this game, they want to work longer hours. You know that right? And why isn't Schreier writing about that in his repports? As always with him, no objectivity and he is only talking about one side of the story.

3. They explicitly said, about a 100 times now that Cyberpunk 2077, the single-player RPG will have ZERO mtx. None, nada, zero. The multiplayer component, which is coming in 2021 will have some but knowing CDPR, you'll get plenty of value for your money.

edit: I don't want to defend CDPR but really, sometimes it feels people are just trying to find something just to shit on them. Look at those jerk-offs at resetera, they are completely crazy, they want to ban the game there.

1. The issue is that confidence is in question when you have 4 fucking release dates in 2020, somebody needs to start questioning what exactly are they seeing that is telling them to make an official date, because you don't see any other game releasing this year that has four different fucking release dates clearly something is going wrong.

2. I completely agree with you crunch happens it's normal but the problem is somebody needs to say that the CD projekt Red because they're the ones fucking telling people 'no mandatory crunch". A reversal to such a statement would have never needed to happen if they were not making such weird overzealous statements

3. The fact that this game is having microtransactions regardless of the fucking mode doesn't help when their comments in the past are about leaving degree to others only to have microtransactions in their own fucking games. Telling me it is going to be inside the multiplayer component is completely fucking irrelevant because it's equivalent to trying to say

Battlefront 2 microtransactions did not have a controversy because I mean come on guys it's in the multiplayer component

People are okay with MTX in Call of Duty no controversy at all because it's in the multiplayer component

Everybody doesn't have negative comments to say about Grand Theft Auto V with microtransactions because it's in the multiplayer component


The point you're making is fucking moot, the majority of microtransactions are in multiplayer components lol Did you REALLY think that the gaming community just LOVES MTX and ONLY hates if they are in single player and thats it? Nothing else? Trying to argue that it's something separate is completely stupid because it could be argued about any fucking game with a multiplayer and single player simply arguing that it's in the multiplayer component doesn't change that it has microtransactions....

You just want it to, you want that to be a new goal post to make it seem as if they're not bad because that's where the microtransactions are going but to my understanding a lot of the fucking negativity surrounding companies like Electronic Arts Activision Ubisoft what-have-you is there microtransactions inside of their games PERIOD NO MATTER WHERE THEY FUCKING PUT THEM!


So what are they going to say now? They leave greed to others but not in the case of MTX as they will definitely help themselves to MTX as well?

I mean for fuck sakes could you imagine Electronic Arts coming out in telling people that their formally going to announce that now they're only putting microtransactions in the multiplayer portion of Battlefield Battlefront and Titanfall? You know... the fucking place they always had microtransactions in the first place?

So I'm not entirely sure why you think saying "multiplayer component" suddenly means they're doing something revolutionarily different.
 
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1. The issue is that confidence is in question when you have 4 fucking release dates in 2020, somebody needs to start questioning what exactly are they seeing that is telling them to make an official date, because you don't see any other game releasing this year that has four different fucking release dates clearly something is going wrong.

2. I completely agree with you crunch happens it's normal but the problem is somebody needs to say that the CD projekt Red because they're the ones fucking telling people 'no mandatory crunch". A reversal to such a statement would have never needed to happen if they were not making such weird overzealous statements

3. The fact that this game is having microtransactions regardless of the fucking mode doesn't help when their comments in the past are about leaving degree to others only to have microtransactions in their own fucking games. Telling me it is going to be inside the multiplayer component is completely fucking irrelevant because it's equivalent to trying to say

God what a whiner.

1: Plans in game development change. It's really weird that people who don't understand that still exist.

2: Those statements weren't made in a vacuum nor by their own initiative. They didn't just wake up one day and decided "hey, today I'm gonna promise no more crunch! What a beautiful day!" Context matters.
They wouldn't have made any overzealous statement if a certain journalist with a giant agenda and his cronies did not abuse their platform to directly pressure them to do so. It's actually a GOOD thing that they had the balls to ignore these statements made obviously under pressure and do what they deem necessary for their business.

3: The game does not have microtransactions. You're literally distorting reality here. The multiplayer is not a "mode." It's a separate game set in the same setting, and they have been *very* clear about this.
 
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Probably should have taken the Fromsoftware rout about Elden Ring.

Say nothing.

You have a point, I think if they dont say too much and stick to showing game footage it would have been much better.
However i have to say, i like that they are transparent with their products, i would like them to follow Fromsoft example and stick to actually making good games and leave all the talk and unnecessary hype behind, but also I dont want them to be like Fromsoft and say nothing about their product and show only one footage. Its like i want them to be in the middle, in between.

FromSoft have said nothing about Elden Ring since they announced it, i has been some time, I think they will only show a gameplay footage right before release, maybe in 2021 around E3 timeline, they may show a video and give release date, usually they go for March/April so it may release on 2022 April/March.
CDPR announced their games way too early, and keep giving shaky release dates, but they answer to the demands and show a lot of gameplay, they showed that 2018 demo and listen to some feedback, and these night wire episode they are showing what they are working on, so that when you buy the game you know what you are getting. But their side talk about the game like when they talk about multiplayer, or working practices or contests, or pretty much anything other than the game itself, its just unnecessary, creates negative/skeptical buzz around the game for nothing. So in that regard they should follow FromSoft example.
 

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You have a point, I think if they dont say too much and stick to showing game footage it would have been much better.
However i have to say, i like that they are transparent with their products, i would like them to follow Fromsoft example and stick to actually making good games and leave all the talk and unnecessary hype behind, but also I dont want them to be like Fromsoft and say nothing about their product and show only one footage. Its like i want them to be in the middle, in between.

FromSoft have said nothing about Elden Ring since they announced it, i has been some time, I think they will only show a gameplay footage right before release, maybe in 2021 around E3 timeline, they may show a video and give release date, usually they go for March/April so it may release on 2022 April/March.
CDPR announced their games way too early, and keep giving shaky release dates, but they answer to the demands and show a lot of gameplay, they showed that 2018 demo and listen to some feedback, and these night wire episode they are showing what they are working on, so that when you buy the game you know what you are getting. But their side talk about the game like when they talk about multiplayer, or working practices or contests, or pretty much anything other than the game itself, its just unnecessary, creates negative/skeptical buzz around the game for nothing. So in that regard they should follow FromSoft example.

Agreed 100%. No need to even make overzealous statements about crunch or delays etc. Thats normal in gaming, that should have been their messaging, not making a bunch of claims they can't back up and have to backpedaling continuously. Its like every other month there is a new statement they have to apologize about.

If they said nothing regarding this or if they just said no release date until they are sure or its normal to have crunch or MTX are in gaming and its normal etc I don't really think they would be getting the backlash by fans.

They make a comment that is arrogant.
Do the opposite of their comment.
Apologize.

This seems to be something they do a bit too often for my taste.

No one is making that big of a deal about Watchdogs 3 getting delayed prior, as Ubisoft didn't make some statement like "no more delays".
 

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I know people are disappointed, but I'd rather they take what time they need to do it right and finish it than release a buggy broken piece of shit.
 
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No he is a cunt.

He is just setting himself up for the future. If the game is delayed, he gets to preen and say "told you so". Then go on another lecture about crunch this, crunch that blah blah blah

If not, he will look for the second a bug hits the internet, and signalboost it, screaming CDPR is releasing a broken game 4 months early. They are lying to their base, investors, blah blah blah.

Either way, he will get hits

If he hates crunch that much he should give up playing almost every single video game because it was or it will be made with developers crunching up until the last minute.

I went to school and college with three guys who have worked for Rockstar, Ubisoft and EA between them and it’s been the same on every single game for the past 20 years whether it was AA or AAA.
 
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Sick of this “crunch” bullshit talk.

I’m certain 90% of every AAA has it. Most every industry has it. People work overtime. It’s life. I’ve done it myself consistently for 10 years. Except, no overtime pay for me because I’m on “salary”. No one cries for me. But they shouldn’t. I’m FREE to find another job at any time. I’m not a slave. I’m a willing participant. Fuck this. Work harder and spare me the tears.


Day one purchase for me
 
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Fact #1:

Jason posted the following tweet (my emphasis):

"Capitalism is fine, it's unregulated capitalism that's going to be the end of us all. One good way to make capitalism serve people rather than billionaires would be for it to be illegal to be a billionaire" (source)


Fact #2:

"Marcin Iwinski - CD Projekt Red Founder And CEO, The Witcher Franchise’s Godfather - Is Officially A Billionaire" (source)

Fact #3:

Jason also tweeted the following:

"Objectivity leads to bad reporting" (source)


Now that that's out of the way, let me focus on the substance. In no way does Adam Kiciński's apology vindicate Jason's take. Setting aside Kiciński acts as CDPR's spokesman for investor and financial matters, and so he better watch his tongue, the point still stands. According Jason's own admission people were crunching vo-lun-ta-ri-ly before mandatory overtime kicked in and they were getting paid for the extra hours and they will be getting a bonus on top of all that. Their crunch was voluntary, as in quite possibly out of a sense of decency and work ethic and professionalism. Got that? As for mandatory crunch there's no reason to believe it breaks contracts, as it would probably expose CDPR to a slew of court cases.

So at the end of the day, don't like it there? Try to bargain. Still didn't get what you thought you deserved? Fuck off and hit the road go somewhere else. If you're a good professional, CDPR will realise the error of their ways and probably refrain from making the same mistake in the future.

CD Projekt RED has no obligation to pay you the kind of money you might think you deserve, doesn't have to set your workload according to your personal needs and circumstances, doesn't have to adjust in any shape or form to cater to you. They can do it, and if they want to attract and retain the best they probably will have to, but they are not under any sort of obligation. It's their company, their money, their business, therefore their decision.

Jason is flat out wrong
If he wants to build a career as the trade unionist of the videogame industry, he's free to do it. He should know, though, that activism is not compatible with journalism.

Jason posted the following tweet (my emphasis):

"Capitalism is fine, it's unregulated capitalism that's going to be the end of us all. One good way to make capitalism serve people rather than billionaires would be for it to be illegal to be a billionaire" (source)

What is this supposed to mean? Taking his tweet on another topic to this topic for...? What a horrendous take.
The rest of your tweet source are also completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. Keep on building that delusional ahtred.

In no way does Adam Kiciński's apology vindicate Jason's take.
Jason says CDPR call for mandatory crunch, Adam says yeah we are doing mandatory crunch, Jason shows email of mandatory crunch, period. What a nonsensical bullshit of "non vindication".

CD Projekt RED has no obligation to pay you the kind of money you might think you deserve, doesn't have to set your workload according to your personal needs and circumstances, doesn't have to adjust in any shape or form to cater to you. They can do it, and if they want to attract and retain the best they probably will have to, but they are not under any sort of obligation. It's their company, their money, their business, therefore their decision.

CDPR promises no mandatory crunch to Jason personally, then breaks promise, and get reported, period. Nobody says they are breaking laws, nobody says they have to cater to every single individual needs....yada yada. Everything else you mention is either off topic or irrelevant whataboutism, at the end of the day, you keep on shouting "Jason wrong" without a single relevant proof but your own delusional accusation. So blinded by pride and hatred while the "supposedly lying" journalist continue solidifying his reputation and having developers and Ceos approaching him personally. Keep up the delusion.
 

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What is this supposed to mean? Taking his tweet on another topic to this topic for...? What a horrendous take.

It conclusively shows that 1 ) Jason thinks the condition to which CDPR's success elevated its founders - billionaire status - should be illegal and it shows 2 ) he doesn't care about objectivity and 3 ) that prefers activism. Combined together , the above open the door to showing possible motive, especially in light of him making definitive pronouncements based of on anyone from 12 to 1 sometimes former CDPR employees, that is, on less than 3% of the staff working on CP2077 and ignoring remarks by current CP2077 developers that have spoken out in the opposite direction.


The rest of your tweet source are also completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. Keep on building that delusional ahtred.

Bwah.
See above.

Jason says CDPR call for mandatory crunch, Adam says yeah we are doing mandatory crunch, Jason shows email of mandatory crunch, period. What a nonsensical bullshit of "non vindication".

That's not the fulcrum of what Jason says. Yes, crunch exists. Yes, mandatory crunch was enforced. Those are facts. I haven't read anyone disputing those.

The issue is how one looks at those facts. Jason has adopted a trade unionist point of view and he'll dismiss and ignore any facts that don't fit that view, notably public statements by current CP2077's music director and one tech specialist, both of which contradict his take.

CDPR promises no mandatory crunch to Jason personally, then breaks promise, and get reported, period.

I have no problem whatsoever with him reporting facts.
I'm not afraid of facts. I welcome them.

The problem, of course, is CDPR should not have made any promises, certainly not to Jason, not least because he's not a developer. He's owed jack shit. But perhaps they wanted to create a good impression and that ended up backfiring spectacularly.

Nobody says they are breaking laws, nobody says they have to cater to every single individual needs....yada yada.

Yoda Yoda yourself.

Even a cursory review of the many threads here and on Reddit will tell you how the issue is being framed by so many either as some gross immorality, a sign of incommensurable greediness and, last but not least, proof that capitalism must be teared down.

So Yoda Yoda Yoda yourself.

Everything else you mention is either off topic or irrelevant whataboutism, at the end of the day, you keep on shouting "Jason wrong" without a single relevant proof

No, not at all.

The facts are undisputed. Voluntary crunch predates mandatory crunch. Mandatory crunch was enforced. Overtime is compensated. Developers will get a bonus.

Had Jason's stuck to the facts, no problem would exist, at least not from me.

The problem is his overtly political take on Crunch, his dismissal of relevant facts because they don't fit his worldview, notably all the points I've raised and you couldn't refute and attempted to label as wahtaboutism.

He thinks it should be illegal to be a billionaire and is now trying to prove his point by painting CDPR billionaires as evil greedy capitalist pigs. Here are two recent Tweets that further exemplify this:




but your own delusional accusation. So blinded by pride and hatred while the "supposedly lying"

Oh, "blinded" "pride" "hatred"
Save the amateur psychologist takes for your blog on Geomancy.

Jason is not lying. I didn't say he's lying.
He's omitting relevant facts and fundamentally wrong in his activist take.
 
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Why bother with the PS4 and Xbox one releases at this point. Make it a next gen only title.
 

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Makes sense. Moving to a six days week of work with the game coming out in two weeks was a puzzling decision.
 
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I've been a fan of CDPR since Witcher 1. Was very excited when they announced 2077 a lifetime ago, been a long road, still excited even with delays. Even if they delayed it 4 or 5 more months at this point, I don't care, fine. I'll still get it and I'll still be excited about the game all the way up until release. The delay actually helps me as I'm still trying to get a new 3080, so this works better for me. They are a great company, they've been pretty upfront with who they are and how things operate since Witcher 1, a few delays won't change my attitude towards them.
 
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Did you played it on ps4? Borderline unplayable at launch, with noticeable slowdowns, and very bad controls.
I did and it was fine. Only some people bitches about walking animation as it actually had physics. Some critics didn't like how you didn't stop on a dime from a full sprint. When in real life you wouldn't either. It was first world problems. The game was flawless otherwise.

But do continue to fear monger. Why do some of you hate cdpr? They have been a class act for years. They also don't bend the knee to the sjw scourge.
 

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This game isn't fucking coming out December 10th.

There's no way, with those comments from the studio heads.
That would be a very fiscally retarted thing to do. Only a small handful of people will even have next Gen machines. Did you not see the launches where asshole bot scalpers took the pre-orders before humans had even a chance? I was there for both consoles pre-order release and both were sold the f out immediately. Why would they not sell to a 160million player base on ps4/xbone?
 

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It conclusively shows that 1 ) Jason thinks the condition to which CDPR's success elevated its founders - billionaires - should be illegal and it shows 2 ) he doesn't care for objectivity and 3 ) that prefers activism. The above combined open the door to showing possible motive, especially in light of him making definitive pronouncements based of on - allegedly - from 12 to 1 sometimes former CDPR employees, that is, on less than 3% of the staff working on CP2077 and ignoring public remarks by current CP2077 developers in the opposite direction.



Bwah.
See above.



That's not the fulcrum of what Jason says. Yes, Crunch exists. Yes, mandatory crunch was enforced. Those are facts. I haven't read anyone disputing those.

The issue is how one looks at those facts. Jason has adopted a trade unionist point of vie and he'll dismiss and ignore any facts that don't fit the view, notably public statements by current CP2077's music director and one tech specialist who contradict his take.



I have no problem whatsoever with him reporting facts.
I'm not afraid of facts. I welcome them.

The problem, of course, is CDPR should not have made any promises to Jason, not least because he's not a developers. He's owed jack shit. But perhaps they wanted to create a good impression and that ended up backfiring spectacularly.



Yoda Yoda yourself.

Even a cursory review of the many threads here and on Reddit will tell you how the issue is being framed by so many either as some gross immorality, a sign of incommensurable greediness and, last but not least, proof that capitalism must be burnt down.

So Yoda Yoda Yoda yourself.



No, not at all.

The facts are undisputed. Voluntary crunch predates mandatory crunch. Mandatory crunch was enforced. Overtime is compensated. Developers will get a bonus.

Had Jason's stuck to the facts, no problem would exist, at least not from me.

The problem is his overtly political take on Crunch, his dismissal of relevant facts because they don't fit his world view, notably all the points I've raise and you couldn't refute and attempted to label as wahtaboutism.

He thinks it should be illegal to be a billionaire and is now trying to prove his point by pointing CDPR billionaires as evil greedy capitalist pigs. Here are two recent Tweets that further exemplify this:






oh, "blinded" "pride" "hatred"
Save the amateur psychologist takes for your blog on Geomancy.

Jason is not lying. I didn't say he's lying.
He's omitting relevant facts and fundamentally wrong in his activist take.
*Slow clap*

Jason isn't a journalist. He is an activist. This is not a difficult concept but some refuse to grasp it.

Did you played it on ps4? Borderline unplayable at launch, with noticeable slowdowns, and very bad controls.

You are full of shit. "Unplayable" get the fuck out of here 🙄
 
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They should just forget about making the old gen versions work and focus on getting the next gen version out.
That would be a very fiscally retarted thing to do. Only a small handful of people will even have next Gen machines. Did you not see the launches where asshole bot scalpers took the pre-orders before humans had even a chance? I was there for both consoles pre-order release and both were sold the f out immediately. Why would they not sell to a 160million player base on ps4/xbone?
 
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I did and it was fine. Only some people bitches about walking animation as it actually had physics. Some critics didn't like how you didn't stop on a dime from a full sprint. When in real life you wouldn't either. It was first world problems. The game was flawless otherwise.

But do continue to fear monger. Why do some of you hate cdpr? They have been a class act for years. They also don't bend the knee to the sjw scourge.
Having our own opinions is not fear mongering dude, even if they don't match your own opinions.

And I don't hate cdpr, Witcher 2 is one of my favourite games.

You are full of shit. "Unplayable" get the fuck out of here 🙄
Next time offer some arguments instead of just insults mate.

Game had bugs, bad controls and shit-tier performance. If that doesn't mean "unplayable" to you hey, better for you.
 
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They might as well delay the game to next year if it isn’t ready yet. Get everything right and don’t crunch or rush it just to make the holiday rush like so many companies do each year. It isn’t like there aren’t any other games to play the rest of this year.
 
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one one hand i get why people are disappointed and frustrated..but after some spectacularr failed launches due to unfinished games being released too early, i can't for the love of me understand why people are complaining...do they really prefer something akin to the batman arkham night pc debacle, or skyrim ps3 than just wait a little more?
 

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'The game was rushed' Yet isn't this like 8 years in the making with around 500 to 1000+ people working on it?

So are they saying they were being lazy in the span of 8 years? I don't understand.
 

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game is definitely gonna be delayed to Spring 2021.

i can't see it coming out in December.

If they do that, they're gonna look ridiculously, and embarrassingly incompetent. There was the first two delays, which is all fine and good. But then they announced it's gone Gold. Afterward they announced another delay, which is almost unheard of for a game that's gone Gold. But okay, they said they only need three more weeks right? But now imagine they delay it for another 4-5 months. That would be....SO bad. A PR nightmare. How do you announce a game has gone Gold, then say you only need 3 more weeks, then go "Uhhh actually we need half a year more."

Even if the game isn't 100% polished by December, they're gonna bite the bullet and release it, and continue to patch bugs and performance issues out of the game over time. They have a choice. Release the game in a buggy state, or look like monumental retards and delay it again. Considering some of the most beloved open world games of all time (like Skyrim and TW3) released in buggy states, I'd say they're gonna be fine releasing it as is.
 
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Not shocking if true, like the Witcher 3 this will be getting big patches for a awhile 🤭 maybe even more, we know how CDPR rolls

But its understandable for a game of this magnitude
 
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There is no way this game is getting delayed any further, investors are not happy and the Backlash is surely going to make them think twice before they even attempt to delay it again.. Plus it just seems too perfect a date to pass up, just right before xmas
 
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RED ALERT

RED ALERT



Class warfare, estrogen and cultural marxism seeping through his pores. This is activism/virtue signaling, masquerading as journalism. The 'news' is crunch. Unfortunately ALL BIG AAA teams seem to go through it as of late. Somehow its turned into money is evil, capatilsim bad...

Why aren't we being told why its happening? Why are all big budget AAA games not making deadlines? There are so many moving parts. Raising Kratos was eye-opening for me. To think that GoW4 was a month away from possibly being canceled and Yushi being 'horrified' with his initial impressions.... who would have thought, they should have just consulted Jason Scherier for his opinion.

If you do not want to be a part of crunch, no one is forcing you to join and stay at a Big Studio or to be a game developer. once gain, NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO WORK THERE. Good companies will take care of their workers. Good workers will flock to good companies and good companies will typically harbor good workers.

Unfortunately, A LOT of people go through crunch, in ALL industries and at ALL levels. If you'd put a microscope on it, it'd look unattractive. Trying to dictate how a company runs its business is asinine. Workers CHOOSE to work there. It's not a human right. It's a joint venture.

The mindset of some of this marxists is mind numbing. They've never ran a business in their lives but are pseudo-experts at it. Boss is bad because he has Millions of dollars in stock options from a company he helped built up from nothing.
 

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"Wow, CD Projekt Red's Adam Kiciński just sent out an email to staff (passed to me) apologizing for these comments. "I had not wanted to comment on crunch, yet I still did, and I did it in a demeaning and harmful way... What I said was not even unfortunate, it was utterly bad.""

No, Adam, no. Rookie mistake. Those crazies will never be happy until they have at least your head on a pike.
 

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Being better than TLOU2 & GOTY convo has all but stopped lol
I mean, it still gonna be GOTY for many people, I'm sure. Just because The Game Awards won't nominate it it's not the end of the world. Last year they gave GOTY award to Sekiro, but if you count individual GOTY awards, given by different media outlets, the real winner was Death Stranding.
 

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Those crazies
That apology wasn't directed at crazies and Adam doesn't give a fuck what crazies (resetera etc) think; it was meant for people at CDP, specifically QA and programmers who are working overtime and Adam dismissed their work somewhat flippantly.
 
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That apology wasn't directed at crazies and Adam doesn't give a fuck what crazies (resetera etc) think; it was meant for people at CDP, specifically QA and programmers who are working overtime and Adam dismissed their work somewhat flippantly.
Welp, you're right.

Anyhoo...
Adam Kiciński just sent out an email to staff (passed to me)
I won't totally dismiss the "crazies" theory.