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[Mossybrew]

Certain people tend to see "the government" as some monolithic bogeyman. It's mostly just normal people trying to do their job like anyone else.

 

[Punished Miku]

Coronavirus Disease 2019

CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.

www.cdc.gov

It's official. Gonna go get boosted up bros.

 

[Rentahamster]

The San Francisco and Los Angeles school districts showed that their policies, which includes masking, works well for them. Now, there is additional data from other locations about the effectiveness of masks in schools.

Pediatric COVID-19 Cases in Counties...

This report describes pediatric COVID-19 cases in counties with and without school mask requirements.

www.cdc.gov

Association Between K–12 School Mask...

This report describes Arizona school associated COVID-19 outbreaks higher in schools without mask requirements than in schools with mask requirements.

www.cdc.gov

 

[KrakenIPA]

This seems like overkill.
Obviously your life, your decisions but this just seems really sad.
Should be possible for your mom to see the kids if you keep a bit of distance and insist on hand sanitizer and washing.
Even if she isn't vaccinated it's not like covid is a death sentence.

Honestly can't imagine letting the relationship with friends and family go down the tubes when a 2 metre distance and washing hands properly etc will still keep everyone relatively safe.

Would prefer if they were all vaccinated of course but there's definitely room for compromise in my opinion.

The science, data and statistics must tell you that the odds are good even without a vaccine. Just keep a bit of distance and be careful.
Obviously your life though.

Thanks for posting this. Taking precautions and being vigilant is a great thing, being vaccinated can be even better. But compromising social interaction among someone's close circle can be detrimental to overall health.
Good points, JM, and G-Bus I hope you can somehow reunite with the family, and not lose weeks and months of memories to be made.

 

[Rentahamster]

Like Denmark, Norway is lifting restrictions. High vaccinations, lots of testing, sensible policy.

Norway to end coronavirus-related restrictions on Saturday

Norway will reopen society on Saturday, the government said, ending its coronavirus-curbing restrictions, which have limited social interaction and hobbled many businesses.

www.reuters.com

OSLO, Sept 24 (Reuters) - Norway will reopen society on Saturday, the government said, ending its coronavirus-curbing restrictions, which have limited social interaction and hobbled many businesses.

Solberg had so far implemented the first three stages of a four-step plan to remove social and economic restrictions imposed since March of last year, but the final step was postponed several times amid worries over infection rates.

"In short, we can now live as normal," Solberg said.

Some 76% of all Norwegians have now received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine, while 67% of the population is fully vaccinated, according to the Institute of Public Health.


"Even though everyday life is now back to normal for most people, the pandemic is not over. People will still get sick and therefore it is important that everyone gets vaccinated," she added.

She warned, however, that those who do contract COVID-19 must still go into isolation to avoid spreading the virus.

Norway to ease Covid-19 travel rules in phased plan

The government on Friday announced a phased plan to lift the Norway's entry and travel rules and reopen its borders to visitors.

www.thelocal.no

24 September 2021
14:58 CEST

Norway will begin the first phase of its strategy to reopen the country for restriction-free travel at noon on Saturday.

“We have lived a long time with strict measures at the borders. This has been important in combating imported infections. When we now move on to a normal everyday life, the government proposes a gradual reduction of the restrictions on entry into the country. This will take place under close supervision,” Minister of Justice and Emergency Management Monica Mæland said in a statement.

 

[Rentahamster]

Thanks for posting this. Taking precautions and being vigilant is a great thing, being vaccinated can be even better. But compromising social interaction among someone's close circle can be detrimental to overall health.
Good points, JM, and G-Bus I hope you can somehow reunite with the family, and not lose weeks and months of memories to be made.

Wouldn't you agree that G-Bus ' friends and family who refuse do the simple action of getting a vaccine are being the unreasonable ones? Why is it his responsibility to compromise with someone being unreasonable when the unreasonable person can compromise by doing one simple little thing?

 

[Rentahamster]

Good articles about Denmark:

Denmark: The ‘new normal’ pioneer with lower vaccination coverage than Spain

The Scandinavian country has lifted all restrictions, arguing that sooner or later all nations will have to learn to live with the coronavirus

english.elpais.com

Copenhagen - 21 SEP 2021

A trip to Copenhagen is like journeying into the future – or back into the past – to a time when a respiratory coronavirus was not shaping people’s lives. It is not that Covid-19 has been eradicated in Denmark. It’s still spreading, with an incidence rate that more or less mirrors that of Spain. But, since September 10, the virus is no longer officially “a critical threat to society.”

It is the vaccines that have, in part, made it possible for Denmark to lift all restrictions. Many western countries are now moving towards this reality at different speeds 18 months into a pandemic that changed many facets of life. When exactly each country will reach the so-called “new normal” will depend on local fluctuations. But if Denmark is anything to go by, whenever it comes, the “new normal” will be almost indistinguishable from the old one.

When it comes to living with the virus, Denmark has become a pioneer in the European Union, blazing the trail for something that sooner or later, the rest of the world will have to do. Once Danish prime minister, Mette Frederiksen, considered the pandemic “under control” in Denmark, the view has been that it is time to treat Covid-19 as just another disease, although the Danish authorities insist that they are prepared to reintroduce restrictions if transmission spirals back out of control.

Denmark has staked its strategy on the success of its Covid-19 vaccination drive. Approximately 74.55% of its population is fully vaccinated, a figure that is slightly below that of Spain (77.03%, according to Oxford University’s Our World in Data website). The probability of becoming seriously ill has plummeted and SARS-CoV-2 is considered unlikely to challenge the Danish healthcare system again, as long as a new variant does not emerge that changes the rules of the game.

But no one is under any illusion that the virus is about to disappear. Spanish epidemiologist and director of the Health Ministry’s Coordination Center for Health Alerts and Emergencies, Fernando Simón, said at a congress of epidemiologists earlier this month that we must begin to “normalize the disease.” At some point, the pandemic will be what experts call endemic, similar to the flu, although not everyone is as clear as the Danes that this point has been reached. This is due, among other things, to the fact that few countries in the world – even the developed world – have such high vaccination rates. In Germany, where 62% of the population is fully vaccinated, virologist Christian Drosten, a government advisor and one of the most respected voices in his field, said earlier this month that living with the virus, Danish-style, would not be a reality this fall. “The loss of life would be too high,” he explained. Italy, France and the United Kingdom have vaccination rates below 65% that are closer to Germany’s than those of Denmark and Spain. Meanwhile, in the United States and Japan, rates languish at around 53%.

To reach endemic status, Drosten not only believes that more people need to be vaccinated, but that the immunity from the shots should be combined with immunity acquired through contact with the disease. The idea is to protect the most vulnerable with the vaccine doses shown to be necessary, so that the death rate decreases, while the disease itself continues to circulate with immune systems adapting to coexist with it. Undoubtedly, other coronaviruses that do not cause major problems today, such as the one which causes the common cold, once took the shape of an aggressive pandemic in an era when there were no vaccines to cushion the blow.

bars and nightclubs have reopened with no restrictions on opening hours or capacity and no request for a coronavirus passport, a document certifying that the bearer has been vaccinated or undergone a recent test that was widely used in Denmark in the months running up to September 10. “We can now live a normal life, and that includes going out partying,” says Erik, 18, who has slipped out for a cigarette from The Drunken Flamingo, a cocktail bar in the center of the capital. “Nobody cares much about the coronavirus anymore.”

“When the government introduced a measure, everyone complied with it, and now the public trusts that if the authorities say you can live a normal life, it is because there is no risk.”

With a slightly lower percentage of the population fully vaccinated than in Spain and a very similar cumulative incidence, according to the Our World in Data website, it is tempting to think that Denmark can serve as a testing ground and that, if all goes well there, it may soon be possible to follow in its footsteps. But comparisons between countries in order to measure the need for restrictions to contain the virus have always proved tricky. In the United Kingdom, where there is a slightly lower rate of vaccination (65%) than in Spain and Denmark and very few restrictions, the virus is circulating far more intensely and the 14-day cumulative number of cases per 100,000 inhabitants is more than 700 – seven times the figure in Spain and Denmark. In Israel, which was once a vaccination frontrunner but now has just 63% of the population fully vaccinated, the 14-day incidence rate has been above 1,000 for weeks, according to Our World in Data.

Moreover, the Danish response to the pandemic has been very different from that of Spain, and so has its impact. Its most aggressive wave struck last winter. In response, the government introduced a hard lockdown that helped curb the spread of the virus. With intermittent restrictions on activities depending on the rates of transmission, there has never been a lockdown so strict that people couldn’t go outdoors, and the use of masks has never been mandatory outside and only in certain scenarios indoors. The last place people were required to wear masks was public transportation, a measure that was lifted on August 22, 2021. “But only if you were standing up; sitting down you didn’t have to wear it either, so for practical purposes, many people didn’t wear it,” says Pastur, whose Spanish academy for children in Copenhagen is operating “completely normally” as is the school where she teaches.

Søren Riis Paludan, from the Department of Biomedicine at Aarhus University, explains that masks have never been a key element in Denmark’s strategy. “They have an effect, but not a big one,” he says. “More than 80% of transmissions occur between close contacts. We have not seen a major impact, neither when they were introduced, nor when their use was dispensed with, so the Danes are happy not to have to wear them. What Denmark is doing is finding a way to live with Covid-19, which is the future, whether we like it or not.”

“We have managed to deploy vaccines very effectively and protect the most vulnerable,” says Jens Lundgren, a professor and an infectious disease specialist at Copenhagen University Hospital. “For the moment, the threat to public health is minimal and it would be disproportionate to maintain restrictions, which are also very negative for society. This does not mean that we will never have to implement measures again, should they be necessary.”

Denmark has focused its strategy on testing. In practically every neighborhood, there is a test center with tests that are free of charge. This made it possible to introduce the coronavirus passport, which people had to show to entertainment venues, until this measure was lifted on September 10. The country has done more than 82 million tests, more than 20 million more than Spain despite the fact its population is eight times smaller. If every Spaniard has had an average of just over one test since the beginning of the pandemic, in Denmark the average is 14 per citizen. “If you are going to meet people at the weekend, you get tested, and in some companies, they even screened everyone in order to bring the situation under control,” says Sheree, who works in a souvenir store in Strøget, Copenhagen’s main shopping area.

After More Than 500 Days, Denmark Has Ended Its COVID Restrictions

The country's high vaccination rate — more than 80% of people older than 12 have had the two shots — has enabled the government to lift all domestic limits.

www.npr.org

COPENHAGEN, Denmark — After 548 days with restrictions to limit the spread of COVID-19, Denmark's high vaccination rate has enabled the Scandinavian country to become one of the first European Union nations to lift all domestic restrictions.

The return to normality has been gradual, but as of Friday, the digital pass — a proof of having been vaccinated — is no longer required when entering night clubs, making it the last virus safeguard to fall.

More than 80% of people above the age of 12 have had the two shots.

"I wouldn't say it is too early. We have opened the door but we have also said that we can close it if needed," Soeren Riis Paludan, a professor of virology with the Aarhus University in Denmark's second largest city, told The Associated Press.

Jens Lundgren, a professor of viral diseases at the Copenhagen University Hospital said the government would be "quite willing" to reintroduce restrictions if infections spike again. He pointed at night clubs being the last thing to open because "it is the activity associated with the highest risk of transmission."


"The world is in the middle of a pandemic and none of us can claim that we are beyond the pandemic," said Lundgren who described Denmark as being "an isolated island" where the vaccine rollout has worked.

"Nobody should have the illusion that we are over this."

In late May, the Danish government presented the passport app featuring a QR code and a green bar if the person has been vaccinated twice or recently tested negative. A paper version also was available. People either had to scan the code or flash it before entering an airport, a harbor, a train station, a hairdresser or an eatery.

While in many European countries there were pockets of resistance such passes, people used it all the time in Denmark because people trust authorities, Riis Paludan said.

Armed with their pass, people were able to get a haircut, have a drink with friends or attend a cultural event. "It was getting one's freedom back instead of having to sit at home in isolation," laughed Oestergaard.

"I think it's very good, so hopefully we can get back to a normal day in the restaurant business without checking people and just no restrictions whatsoever. That's nice," said cafe owner Ralph Marker.

 

[KrakenIPA]

Wouldn't you agree that G-Bus ' friends and family who refuse do the simple action of getting a vaccine are being the unreasonable ones? Why is it his responsibility to compromise with someone being unreasonable when the unreasonable person can compromise by doing one simple little thing?

Our interpretation of the weight that G-Bus bears in regards to his responsibility to comprimise may not be the same. In evaluating risk to their health in regards to potential spread of an airborne contagion, I would hope that there is wide consideration for factors that may present themselves, and G-Bus would be able to make a decision on meeting close family in an outdoor setting with the proper precautions in place.

 

[JumpMan1981]

Wouldn't you agree that G-Bus ' friends and family who refuse do the simple action of getting a vaccine are being the unreasonable ones? Why is it his responsibility to compromise with someone being unreasonable when the unreasonable person can compromise by doing one simple little thing?

OK, maybe dial it back a bit there.
I wasn't saying anyone was unreasonable.

Just that it's possible to still see family without being vaccinated if you take precautions.

Better than burning down long standing relationships needlessly.

I get you are on some crusade here but I was not accusing anyone of being unreasonable. Just suggesting that compromise might be possible.

Take it easy.

 

[Rentahamster]

Even if she isn't vaccinated it's not like covid is a death sentence.

Healthcare Workers

COVID-19 guidance, tools, and resources for healthcare workers.

www.cdc.gov

Assuming his mom is between 50 and 64 years of age, there is a 1 in 167 chance that she dies from COVID19. It's not a "death sentence", but those aren't good odds when you consider the severity of the outcome. Additionally, her odds are less favorable because she's unvaccinated. Not to mention all of the other negative outcomes like hospitalization, or long COVID.

Honestly can't imagine letting the relationship with friends and family go down the tubes when a 2 metre distance and washing hands properly etc will still keep everyone relatively safe.

Honestly can't imagine letting the relationship with friends and family go down the tubes when a simple shot in the arm will keep everyone very safe.

Would prefer if they were all vaccinated of course but there's definitely room for compromise in my opinion.

Yeah, his mom getting a vaccine sounds like a pretty good and reasonable compromise.

The science, data and statistics must tell you that the odds are good even without a vaccine.

I don't know what data you're looking at, or what your definition of "good" is, but it's different from mine.

Monitoring Incidence of COVID-19 Cases...

After the COVID-19 B.1.617.2 (Delta) variant reached predominance, fully vaccinated people had less risk of infection, hospitalization, and death.

www.cdc.gov

 

[Rentahamster]

OK, maybe dial it back a bit there.
I wasn't saying anyone was unreasonable.

Dial what back? I know you aren't saying anyone was unreasonable. I'M saying his mom is being unreasonable.

Just that it's possible to still see family without being vaccinated if you take precautions.

It is possible, but not recommended, especially in light of the very simple actions they could take to make things right.

Better than burning down long standing relationships needlessly.

He's not the one burning anything down. It's perfectly reasonable as the guardian and protector of his family to limit his family's interaction with potentially dangerous people.

I get you are on some crusade here but I was not accusing anyone of being unreasonable. Just suggesting that compromise might be possible.

I know you're not. I am. That's the point.

Compromise is possible. Get the vaccine.

"Crusade"? Please. What is so crusade-like about what I just said?

Take it easy.

Re-read my post again and realize that none of the tone or vocabulary in it was aggressive or hostile in any way.

 

[JumpMan1981]

Healthcare Workers

COVID-19 guidance, tools, and resources for healthcare workers.

www.cdc.gov

Assuming his mom is between 50 and 64 years of age, there is a 1 in 167 chance that she dies from COVID19. It's not a "death sentence", but those aren't good odds when you consider the severity of the outcome. Additionally, her odds are less favorable because she's unvaccinated. Not to mention all of the other negative outcomes like hospitalization, or long COVID.


Honestly can't imagine letting the relationship with friends and family go down the tubes when a simple shot in the arm will keep everyone very safe.


Yeah, his mom getting a vaccine sounds like a pretty good and reasonable compromise.


I don't know what data you're looking at, or what your definition of "good" is, but it's different from mine.

Monitoring Incidence of COVID-19 Cases...

After the COVID-19 B.1.617.2 (Delta) variant reached predominance, fully vaccinated people had less risk of infection, hospitalization, and death.

www.cdc.gov

Listen, I think you might be too invested in this. I wasn't even talking to you!

I just don't think it's worth losing friends and family over this when you can take precautions like distancing and hand washing and still at least see loved ones who are being awkward about the vaccine.

The other poster can do what they like but my advice is don't burn good relationships to the ground needlessly.

I dunno why you need to jump on that by taking time out to make that post. Maybe take a step back, eh?

 

[Dev1lXYZ]

Are there any tips on easing ear pain from wearing a KN95 mask 9 hours a day? My ears pretty badly by wearing it for extended periods, but that thing stays on no matter what.

There is something that may be going down at work. Moving in a telework centered direction again after the halt in May. Winter is being predicted as another tough one and I’m glad someone at the top has decided to prepare accordingly.

 

[Punished Miku]

Got the booster no problem at the grocery store. They didn't even ask where I worked.

 

[JumpMan1981]

Dial what back? I know you aren't saying anyone was unreasonable. I'M saying his mom is being unreasonable.


It is possible, but not recommended, especially in light of the very simple actions they could take to make things right.


He's not the one burning anything down. It's perfectly reasonable as the guardian and protector of his family to limit his family's interaction with potentially dangerous people.


I know you're not. I am. That's the point.

Compromise is possible. Get the vaccine.

"Crusade"? Please. What is so crusade-like about what I just said?

Re-read my post again and realize that none of the tone or vocabulary in it was aggressive or hostile in any way.

Just stop. Some people won't get vaccinated. Doesn't mean they need to be shut out of society. Didn't we already have conversation about something similar? Easy enough to see relatives while observing social distancing, washing hands, even wearing masks. Maybe not so much when winter rolls around, mind you.

 

[Punished Miku]

Are there any tips on easing ear pain from wearing a KN95 mask 9 hours a day? My ears pretty badly by wearing it for extended periods, but that thing stays on no matter what.

There is something that may be going down at work. Moving in a telework centered direction again after the halt in May. Winter is being predicted as another tough one and I’m glad someone at the top has decided to prepare accordingly.

Thats a tough one. Those things get fit tested so they're tight. 9 hrs is very long time to wear it. Padding, tape on the ears, I dont know. Its probably still gonna hurt.

 

[Rentahamster]

I just don't think it's worth losing friends and family over this when you can take precautions like distancing and hand washing and still at least see loved ones who are being awkward about the vaccine.

I just don't think it's worth losing friends and family over this when you can take precautions like taking a very easy and free vaccine.

The other poster can do what they like but my advice is don't burn good relationships to the ground needlessly.

I agree that the other poster can do what he likes, and so can his mom, and it's a shame that his mom has to burn down a good relationship so needlessly.

Listen, I think you might be too invested in this. I wasn't even talking to you!
I dunno why you need to jump on that by taking time out to make that post. Maybe take a step back, eh?

Good job ignoring the points I made and not acknowledging the data I presented, and instead focusing on tone policing.

 

[Rentahamster]

Just stop. Some people won't get vaccinated. Doesn't mean they need to be shut out of society.

Some people won't get vaccinated. That's their choice. Being shut out of society is also the consequence of their choice. Because as a society we can decide what the threshold is for participation in said society and we have decided that it's best to limit contact with those who are a health hazard to themselves and others.

Didn't we already have conversation about something similar?

Yes, and if I remember correctly, you didn't acknowledge the information I presented to you to correct you misconceptions. Basically like how you are doing now.

Easy enough to see relatives while observing social distancing, washing hands, even wearing masks. Maybe not so much when winter rolls around, mind you.

Easy enough to see relatives when you get vaccinated. Still pretty easy even when winter rolls around too, mind you.

 

[JumpMan1981]

I just don't think it's worth losing friends and family over this when you can take precautions like taking a very easy and free vaccine.


I agree that the other poster can do what he likes, and so can his mom, and it's a shame that his mom has to burn down a good relationship so needlessly.


Good job ignoring the points I made or acknowledging the data I presented, and instead focus on tone policing.

I don't know why you think we are having some bug debate here. I'm not interested.

The other poster said they are losing friends and family. I feel that it's not neccessary and there are options that can be looked into before it comes to that.

I wasn't referencing you at all but here you are butting in as if you think I care to argue it out with you.

Its possible to meet people safely with distancing etc. That's the end of it.

 

[Rentahamster]

I don't know why you think we are having some bug debate here.

I don't think that, actually, because we're not.

I'm not interested.

Cool.

The other poster said they are losing friends and family. I feel that it's not neccessary and there are options that can be looked into before it comes to that.

Yup, it's totally not necessary. You are right that there are of course options that can be looked into. The best option would be vaccination for his mom, but she is unfortunately unwilling to do the simplest, safest, and easiest option for the sake of her family.

I wasn't referencing you at all but here you are butting in as if you think I care to argue it out with you.

OK.

Its possible to meet people safely with distancing etc. That's the end of it.

It's possible. It's also even safer if they're all vaccinated. Best to take all reasonable, safe, and accessible options if one can.

 

[JumpMan1981]

I don't think that, actually, because we're not.


Cool.


Yup, it's totally not necessary. You are right that there are of course options that can be looked into. The best option would be vaccination for his mom, but she is unfortunately unwilling to do the simplest, safest, and easiest option for the sake of her family.


OK.


It's possible. It's also even safer if they're all vaccinated. Best to take all reasonable, safe, and accessible options if one can.

Right well that posters friends and relatives aren't posting here and I think it sucks that anyone would burn bridges with friends or family over this so I am suggesting that. No need for you to say anything at all.

What would you prefer? We say "we are your family now"?

Nobody should be losing friends or family over this. If they don't want the vaccine then that's their choice. It's not the end of the world.

Lets agree to disagree, eh?

 

[Rentahamster]

Right well that posters friends and relatives aren't posting here and I think it sucks that anyone would burn bridges with friends or family over this so I am suggesting that. No need for you to say anything at all.

Yes, it sucks that his mom would burn bridges over a simple issue of a vaccine. Totally unnecessary.

What would you prefer? We say "we are your family now"?

I don't understand what you mean.

Nobody should be losing friends or family over this. If they don't want the vaccine then that's their choice. It's not the end of the world.

Nobody should, I agree. It's too bad they are making the choice to not get the vaccine and making the choice to lose their family and friends. Sucks, but it's not the end of the world.

Lets agree to disagree, eh?

I agree that you still haven't acknowledged any of my points that rebut your risk assessment of COVID19.

 

[dcll]

appalling

 

[plushyp]

Are there any tips on easing ear pain from wearing a KN95 mask 9 hours a day? My ears pretty badly by wearing it for extended periods, but that thing stays on no matter what.

I use a Face Mask Clip. Here's an example of one:

This is how the clip saves your ears from pain:

 

[poppabk]

appalling

Absolutely horrifying. Couldn't watch all the way to the end, did the guy live?

 

[FunkMiller]

Absolutely horrifying. Couldn't watch all the way to the end, did the guy live?

Nah. A huntsman got him. Crawled right up his arsehole, carrying a flick knife.

 

[Rentahamster]

Absolutely horrifying. Couldn't watch all the way to the end, did the guy live?

A kangaroo stuffed him in his pouch and jumped away laughing.


The kangaroo was masked.

 

[ntropy]

 

[Rentahamster]

ICMR removes Ivermectin, HCQ from revised guidelines on Covid-19 treatment

Both the medicines, however, can be used with caution in a climax trial setting.

www.hindustantimes.com

By hindustantimes.com | Written by Sohini Goswami, New Delhi
PUBLISHED ON SEP 24, 2021

The Indian Council of Medical Research and the Covid-19 National Task Force have dropped the usage of Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) drugs from their revised "clinical guidance for management of adult Covid-19 patients".

However, both the medicines can be used with caution in a climax trial setting. According to reports, experts of the government bodies did not find enough evidence of a potential therapeutic effect of the widely used medicines against coronavirus.

A study by the All India Institute of Medical Sciences (AIIMS) had earlier said the antiparasitic medicine Ivermectin did not reduce the viral load or duration of symptoms in patients with Covid-19 even at higher doses. This was found in a randomised controlled trial on 157 patients admitted with mild to moderate disease at the premier hospital during the first surge of infections between July and September last year.

Studies also found there was no clarity on mortality benefit, no effect on length of stay and clinical recovery in case of Ivermectin.

The World Health Organisation had warned against use of Ivermectin a day after Goa health minister Vishwajit Rane recommended the medicine for all adult residents of the coastal state to fight the deadly virus.

 

[Rentahamster]

 

[Nobody_Important]

No see my brother-in-law cousins aunt's best friends sisters favorite rapper said the vaccine makes my nuts explode. Meanwhile my sister's best friends favorite hairdresser says that the horse paste at the local tractor supply has kept her safe for a year.


Checkmate Mister so called Scientist. You won't get me with your socialism infected nanovirus. I got Jesus and Joe Rogan and thats all I need.


Mhmmmmm.

 

[Dev1lXYZ]

Thats a tough one. Those things get fit tested so they're tight. 9 hrs is very long time to wear it. Padding, tape on the ears, I dont know. Its probably still gonna hurt.

I’m going to have calloused ears if I keep it up! Ah well…..gotta set an example for the office.

 

[Narasumas]

Healthcare Workers

COVID-19 guidance, tools, and resources for healthcare workers.

www.cdc.gov

Assuming his mom is between 50 and 64 years of age, there is a 1 in 167 chance that she dies from COVID19. It's not a "death sentence", but those aren't good odds when you consider the severity of the outcome. Additionally, her odds are less favorable because she's unvaccinated. Not to mention all of the other negative outcomes like hospitalization, or long COVID.


Honestly can't imagine letting the relationship with friends and family go down the tubes when a simple shot in the arm will keep everyone very safe.


Yeah, his mom getting a vaccine sounds like a pretty good and reasonable compromise.


I don't know what data you're looking at, or what your definition of "good" is, but it's different from mine.

Monitoring Incidence of COVID-19 Cases...

After the COVID-19 B.1.617.2 (Delta) variant reached predominance, fully vaccinated people had less risk of infection, hospitalization, and death.

www.cdc.gov

You really gotta drop the assault here man. This thread sucks right now.

 

[Chaplain]

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[funkygunther]

You really gotta drop the assault here man. This thread sucks right now.

Nah, he can keep going and you can ignore it. When you have something relevant to contribute that isn't weeping for humanity or whatever then I'll take your opinion a bit more seriously.

 

[Rentahamster]

You really gotta drop the assault here man. This thread sucks right now.

Why do you think it's an assault?

 

[Cyberpunkd]

A doctor from Paris went on Twitter yesterday saying things like:
‘We vaccinate rich countries and not poor ones. Next mutation will come from Africa and we will deserve it’.
I was like:

 

[funkygunther]

A doctor from Paris went on Twitter yesterday saying things like:
‘We vaccinate rich countries and not poor ones. Next mutation will come from Africa and we will deserve it’.
I was like:

If vaccines were prioritised globally by region according to need then I'm sure poorer countries with struggling sanitation and healthcare systems would be top of the list. That's the WHO's mission. But I think you take exception to the "deserve" part, which I do too. Nowhere deserves another variant no matter how malignant or benign, its not karma or retribution.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

A doctor from Paris went on Twitter yesterday saying things like:
‘We vaccinate rich countries and not poor ones. Next mutation will come from Africa and we will deserve it’.
I was like:

If vaccines were prioritised globally by region according to need then I'm sure poorer countries with struggling sanitation and healthcare systems would be top of the list. That's the WHO's mission. But I think you take exception to the "deserve" part, which I do too. Nowhere deserves another variant no matter how malignant or benign, its not karma or retribution.

I can see his point, tbh.

The West could share their supplies to benefit the entire world but instead are starting to give 3rd doses to local people. I think a consequence if it materialises probably will be deserved.

 

[funkygunther]

I can see his point, tbh.

The West could share their supplies to benefit the entire world but instead are starting to give 3rd doses to local people. I think a consequence if it materialises probably will be deserved.

The people in those poor countries don't deserve it, and they'll be the ones paying the price.

 

[FunkMiller]

Er… we’re donating millions of vaccines in the U.K. 30 million by end of year.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-begins-donating-millions-of-covid-19-vaccines-overseas

America donating millions upon millions too:

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/sep/22/joe-biden-vaccination-gap-poor-nations

 

[QSD]

Why do you think it's an assault?

Generally we have gotten along ok, but what I've read over the last few pages it seems like you are campaigning for people to shun their unvaccinated family members. Maybe I'm misinterpreting, but I would advise against such a campaign. Family bonds are extremely important psychologically and shouldn't be lightly tossed aside. Regardless of how important you feel the vaccination issue is, you don't have insight into the personal lives of other people, and you don't know what consequences shunning their family might have. It might do damage that can never be undone. I get that you're trying to put the responsibility for the break up with the unvaccinated family members, but in the end, regardless of where the responsibility lies, it would probably be better if family members find some way of keeping their ties in order. In the end you don't want to become some kind of fanatical Stefan Molyneux type character (I hope)

 

[FunkMiller]

Generally we have gotten along ok, but what I've read over the last few pages it seems like you are campaigning for people to shun their unvaccinated family members. Maybe I'm misinterpreting, but I would advise against such a campaign. Family bonds are extremely important psychologically and shouldn't be lightly tossed aside. Regardless of how important you feel the vaccination issue is, you don't have insight into the personal lives of other people, and you don't know what consequences shunning their family might have. It might do damage that can never be undone. I get that you're trying to put the responsibility for the break up with the unvaccinated family members, but in the end, regardless of where the responsibility lies, it would probably be better if family members find some way of keeping their ties in order. In the end you don't want to become some kind of fanatical Stefan Molyneux type character (I hope)

It's an interesting moral dilemma (one I haven't had to face pertaining to covid, thankfully). On the one hand, you're right... breaking familial bonds can be a very distressing thing to do (I've had to do it in the past due to other issues), but on the other, blood ties should never automatically given anyone a free pass, or excuse them from the consequences of their actions.

If someone in my family was a staunch anti-vaxxer I would struggle to maintain any kind of relationship with them, provided they were the kind of person who spreads the lies and misinformation around that harms others. I would certainly seek to change their minds however, and bring them around to the sensible side of the argument. If that failed though, I would feel I'd have to distance myself from them for the sake of my own mental health.

You can say cutting family ties can be detrimental, but it can also be the healthiest thing to do, depending on the actions of the person in question.

 

[QSD]

It's an interesting moral dilemma (one I haven't had to face pertaining to covid, thankfully). On the one hand, you're right... breaking familial bonds can be a very distressing thing to do (I've had to do it in the past due to other issues), but on the other, blood ties should never automatically given anyone a free pass, or excuse them from the consequences of their actions.

I don't think anyone is getting a free pass. If you're unvaccinated, there's a bunch of stuff you won't be able to do for the foreseeable future. I just don't think we should be egging on family members to compound this situation by getting them to shun (in this case) their own mother to make a political point.

If someone in my family was a staunch anti-vaxxer I would struggle to maintain any kind of relationship with them, provided they were the kind of person who spreads the lies and misinformation around that harms others. I would certainly seek to change their minds however, and bring them around to the sensible side of the argument. If that failed though, I would feel I'd have to distance myself from them for the sake of my own mental health.

Even if it was your own mom?

You can say cutting family ties can be detrimental, but it can also be the healthiest thing to do, depending on the actions of the person in question.

Obviously there can be plenty of reasons that cutting ties is the best solution, but I'd say that most of that lies in the realm of the personal, e.g. if your parents are always toxic and demeaning towards you instead of supportive, if your brother is an addict and keeps lying and stealing from you. I don't know if I'd soon cut ties with family over a political issue. My own mom is a very emotional person and she can say some pretty politically unsavoury stuff sometimes in the heat of the moment, but I just calmly push back and in the end we just agree to disagree. I would never consider breaking ties with my parents over that. My mom would basically just die of grief, and I wouldn't be able to live with myself.

 

[FunkMiller]

I don't think anyone is getting a free pass. If you're unvaccinated, there's a bunch of stuff you won't be able to do for the foreseeable future. I just don't think we should be egging on family members to compound this situation by getting them to shun (in this case) their own mother to make a political point.

Even if it was your own mom?

Obviously there can be plenty of reasons that cutting ties is the best solution, but I'd say that most of that lies in the realm of the personal, e.g. if your parents are always toxic and demeaning towards you instead of supportive, if your brother is an addict and keeps lying and stealing from you. I don't know if I'd soon cut ties with family over a political issue. My own mom is a very emotional person and she can say some pretty politically unsavoury stuff sometimes in the heat of the moment, but I just calmly push back and in the end we just agree to disagree. I would never consider breaking ties with my parents over that. My mom would basically just die of grief, and I wouldn't be able to live with myself.

Anti-vax isn’t a political issue. It’s a health issue. I have no problem with people having different political opinions to me, but actively pushing disinformation and being selfish enough to not get the jab would definitely strain any relationship I had, no matter who it was.

 

[funkygunther]

Vax is a health issue. Antivax is a political issue. It's why both sides arguments are nonsense.

 

[FunkMiller]

Vax is a health issue. Antivax is a political issue. It's why both sides arguments are nonsense.

Well, anti-vaxxers may treat it as a political issue, but that’s their stupidity on display. Vaccinations to prevent the spread of a virus *should* be purely a health issue.

 

[JumpMan1981]

Generally we have gotten along ok, but what I've read over the last few pages it seems like you are campaigning for people to shun their unvaccinated family members. Maybe I'm misinterpreting, but I would advise against such a campaign. Family bonds are extremely important psychologically and shouldn't be lightly tossed aside. Regardless of how important you feel the vaccination issue is, you don't have insight into the personal lives of other people, and you don't know what consequences shunning their family might have. It might do damage that can never be undone. I get that you're trying to put the responsibility for the break up with the unvaccinated family members, but in the end, regardless of where the responsibility lies, it would probably be better if family members find some way of keeping their ties in order. In the end you don't want to become some kind of fanatical Stefan Molyneux type character (I hope)

Honestly, I regretted saying anything as soon as I realised it was going to be jumped on.

My point was really only directed at G-Bus and only because I think it sucks that someone would needlessly lose friends and family over this.

We have anti-vaxxers in our family and its fine. I am vaccinated so protected and we just communicate with each other regarding visits and gatherings etc. It's very possible to do anything with distancing etc.

I'm not demanding everyone who visits the house is vaccinated and I am certainly not getting worked up about convincing/berating people that I care about. It's fine. Plus they aren't ranting at me for getting vaccinated.

Anyway, G-Bus I have the same deal with anti-vax family and we get along fine. Remember it's not a total certainty of death if someone gets covid and for us we just said to unvaccinated family members that its up to them if they are taking that risk. None of the kids are vaccinated anyway and they are all off at school 5 days a week. No need to shun anybody or burn bridges. Good luck, anyway.

 

[Chaplain]

 

[QSD]

Honestly, I regretted saying anything as soon as I realised it was going to be jumped on.

My point was really only directed at G-Bus and only because I think it sucks that someone would needlessly lose friends and family over this.

We have anti-vaxxers in our family and its fine. I am vaccinated so protected and we just communicate with each other regarding visits and gatherings etc. It's very possible to do anything with distancing etc.

I'm not demanding everyone who visits the house is vaccinated and I am certainly not getting worked up about convincing/berating people that I care about. It's fine. Plus they aren't ranting at me for getting vaccinated.

Anyway, G-Bus I have the same deal with anti-vax family and we get along fine. Remember it's not a total certainty of death if someone gets covid and for us we just said to unvaccinated family members that its up to them if they are taking that risk. None of the kids are vaccinated anyway and they are all off at school 5 days a week. No need to shun anybody or burn bridges. Good luck, anyway.

No worries man, it wasn't directed at you. I just felt some kind of pushback was needed against the idea you should be willing to cease contact with family over this issue. Seems an irresponsible thing to advocate for considering it could have serious long term mental health implications. I'm glad at least you have a healthy sense of perspective.