• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.

Coronavirus Global Pandemic |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check

Game Analyst

Member
Feb 10, 2009
5,293
718
1,045
soundcloud.com
"The United States has recorded the world's highest coronavirus death toll, with 150,000 people dead. And that number looks certain to continue to rise. Dr Michael Osterholm predicted a pandemic like COVID-19 15 years ago." (ABC News (Australia), 7/30/20)

 
Last edited:

DeepBreath87

Member
Jun 15, 2019
1,175
2,222
395
That’s how fast it went in New York, at such a rate a lock down is needed ..
a million packed city as New York.

but you keep hammering the anti lock down and how it’s better to do nothing ... but you weren’t in NY neither Italy or Spain , where they had to make the call and do something to stop the collapse of the health care system / hospitals.

what do you think the outcome in those places would be?

even the WHO calls to go all out to get this under control.
You think governments do this for fun?
What are you talking about? Who said do nothing? Certainly not me. You’re arguing against the voices in your head.
 

diffusionx

Member
Feb 25, 2006
11,927
7,636
1,610
That’s how fast it went in New York, at such a rate a lock down is needed ..
a million packed city as New York.

but you keep hammering the anti lock down and how it’s better to do nothing ... but you weren’t in NY neither Italy or Spain , where they had to make the call and do something to stop the collapse of the health care system / hospitals.

what do you think the outcome in those places would be?

even the WHO calls to go all out to get this under control.
You think governments do this for fun?
The claims of the overloaded hospital systems, at least in NYC, were greatly exaggerated. It never got to that point. The ventilator nonsense was so overblown too.

Keep in mind the lockdowns were predicated on Neil Ferguson's hysterical models that were total garbage and proven to be garbage in the first week or two of the lockdown. They predicted total carnage even with a lockdown which didn't come to pass, not even close - I think hospital usage was like 15% or 25% of the model's predicted lockdown rate.

The truth is, NY could have and should have started reopening by mid-April, and should have been at more or less full reopening by Independence Day.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Aarbron

hariseldon

Gold Member
Aug 22, 2018
7,504
15,562
815
Not that fairy tale again. Deaths lag by 5-6 weeks.

Panic is never helpful. Neither is white-washing.
I'm not white-washing, my point is that the death count is the least-manipulable statistic (albeit it can still be done) and gives us the best metric for what's actually going on. Any use of pure infection counts without accounting for population, regionality and testing regimes (and that's what mostly happens when people talk about case counts) is about as meaningful as picking a number out of a hat.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Aarbron

Aarbron

Member
Jul 21, 2020
70
115
220
Crazy pills indeed. Here in Victoria, Australia are some of the things that have happened in the last few days

- 'State of Disaster' declared. Authorities have extra powers for more and bigger fines

- 8pm-5am curfew. The virus is of course at its worst during these hours

- All non essential retailers and businesses shut down. Thats another 250,000 people out of work on top of our already record high number

- Only allowed out for 1 hour a day. Originally they said exercise was ok, but then said no because too many people would use that as an excuse for being out. (I kid you not)

- 1 person per household, once a day can go to the supermarket

- If you are traveling outside of curfew hours for essential work, you need 'papers' to show to authorities

There's plenty more as well but thats of the top of my head. Oh and might I add the idiot running our state has been known to be quite friendly with the CCP... His health minister also made a fool out of herself yesterday when she wouldn't answer any questions from the media or opposition government, instead saying we can all have a written statement in a few days. So for now, it seems to me that we have a 6 week trial of Communism in the state.

Why? Because 5-15 elderly people have died with the virus each day for the last 2 weeks or so. We're at 232 deaths (across Australia, population 25 million) since this all began too. The youngest being a 42 year old who reportedly had other conditions as well.

'State of Disaster'...
It is a disastrous state, I have no idea how I will deal with it for the next 6 weeks (but I assume it will last longer). My own work at a G8 university is gone now due to the lockdowns.

But what has most impacted me is not being able to do even the most simple of activities. Going for a walk in the evening, when no one was around was one of the small pleasures I had but that right has now been taken away too. How the fuck will I infact anyone in suburan Melbourne when there is no one around??? When we also weak masks too? This state is done for.

Last week I was bombarding social media and news comments sites regarding masks, and the fact that Dr Sutton's own research cast doubt on the efficacy of masks. If you are interested, here is his own paper:

Do Anaesthetists Need to Wear Surgical Masks in the Operating Theatre?

I knew the writing was on the wall with the imposition of masks, but the speed of the stage 4 introduction took me by surprise.
I fully expect that next week we will be discussing stage 5, and what that entails. No exercise? No daily runs to the local IGA perhaps? Who knows what they will next implement. No bonking?

I am over it. First chance I get I am out of this state. I just hope we can reach stage 6 before then:





As a fully trained PhD economist I cannot add anything else to what you wrote:

"- All non essential retailers and businesses shut down. Thats another 250,000 people out of work on top of our already record high number"

This is an economic disaster on an unprecedented scale. This is just in one week too. I don't need to extrapolate to the rest of the supply chain and how it will reverberate there.

You do not need a technocrat to convey the utter insanity of what is happening in Melbourne. That is just economics, let alone the gathering storm of possible societal disaster.

Stay safe and look after your loved ones.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Gp1 and Cracklox

DeepBreath87

Member
Jun 15, 2019
1,175
2,222
395
I'm not white-washing, my point is that the death count is the least-manipulable statistic (albeit it can still be done) and gives us the best metric for what's actually going on. Any use of pure infection counts without accounting for population, regionality and testing regimes (and that's what mostly happens when people talk about case counts) is about as meaningful as picking a number out of a hat.
You’re right that the infection counts can be misleading. The key numbers are the concrete ones. Hospitalizations, ICU patients, and deaths. We cannot even estimate the true number of cases because it’s so dependent on people who might not even know they’re sick getting tested.
 

hariseldon

Gold Member
Aug 22, 2018
7,504
15,562
815
You’re right that the infection counts can be misleading. The key numbers are the concrete ones. Hospitalizations, ICU patients, and deaths. We cannot even estimate the true number of cases because it’s so dependent on people who might not even know they’re sick getting tested.
Yep - those are also good numbers to work with, although it's worth noting that some of those will be lower for the 2nd wave as we'll know rather more about the disease and thus not send so many to their deaths on ventilators, etc. It makes it hard to make comparisons over time. Overall I do honestly think we're over the worst of it and any second wave will be pretty straightforward to manage, and at least the UK gov has finally figured out that it can lock regions down rather than the whole country when spikes happen.
 

Aarbron

Member
Jul 21, 2020
70
115
220
what agenda is that? profit seeking?
Incentives can always lead to warped outcomes. Yes, profit seeking can do it. It has in the past. This is something that we have grappled with for the past 100 years in economics. Incentives are powerful and can or will lead to outcomes that are suboptimal. No matter who is in power.

I won't strongly come down upon medical professionals outside my country as I don't have data, but if I am allowed to conjecture, yes profit seeking could easily do it. The money motive is extraordinarily powerful. Just like the rest of us, the medical or academic world is not above corrupt practices (be it in a publicly or privately funded setting).

In my hometown, the Covid-19 outbreak we now have can be traced to the lack of proper quarantine of inbound travelers. The state government here (surprisingly one of the most progressive we have had - and I say this as someone who has published with substantial elements of progressive thoughts), implemented a program where the quarantine guards were casual staff with zero training. Why? Probably because it was cheaper.

I won't even delve into the aged care disaster that is happening here in Melbourne (suffice to say, regulators, public health officials, churches, and private operators are all culpable).

I have no ideological bone in this game (especially outside Australia), but once this period is done and dusted it will be interesting to see the analysis of numbers. But, it will take a few years for it to all come out.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Joe T.

diffusionx

Member
Feb 25, 2006
11,927
7,636
1,610
The government told hospitals they cannot treat people for non-COVID related things. Then the government told hospitals they would pay hospitals more money for every COVID case and death. We are supposed to be shocked when all sorts of weird numbers come out of that situation? If you write for a mainstream news site and/or believe in the mainstream narrative, apparently the answer is yes.
 

Aarbron

Member
Jul 21, 2020
70
115
220
The government told hospitals they cannot treat people for non-COVID related things. Then the government told hospitals they would pay hospitals more money for every COVID case and death. We are supposed to be shocked when all sorts of weird numbers come out of that situation? If you write for a mainstream news site and/or believe in the mainstream narrative, apparently the answer is yes.
There you go. There is so much information coming out of every country it is hard to keep up :/.

I am not a health economist (my own area is financial economics/wealth management), but I would love to read a proper study of how incentives have warped the health care response. People should not take this as meaning that the free market is unable to fix issues or that government is just as bad, just that it occurs.

We have seen this in the financial services industry across the world in both high regulated and non-regulated systems. Why not the health sector? Humans are humans. We are self-interested bastards. I know I am.

But we might have to resurrect the thread in 3 to 5 years to discuss these studies.

Ugh, I've posted too much....

All I will say is this on the covid issue.

At least in my hometown of Melbourne, I think there has been government overreach. Democratic oversight has been removed. The powers of the local legislature have become subordiante to health bureaucrats. Now, we also have a "state of disaster" declared where the police force is calling the shots in effect.

A health issue has been transformed into a law and order issue. This should never happen. Police should not be bashing car windows of citizens because they are running late getting home. How on earth does this combats a virus is beyond me.

Ah well.

No matter who you are or where you live, stay safe and out of trouble :)
 
  • Like
Reactions: lock2k

CloudNull

Member
Oct 14, 2019
514
935
360
Why would he need to duck ? He is a world renowned scientist ? He discusses a lot with a Dutch scientist who did tests with corona viruses in the 90s. If governments listened, you guys wouldn’t be in a half year corona wave .

politicians should be the ones ducking .
Bullshit... he is terrible. Dr Campbell knows more than him and called this all before clown Fauci did.
 
  • Like
Reactions: cryptoadam

Cracklox

Member
Jun 4, 2012
1,866
350
715
It is a disastrous state, I have no idea how I will deal with it for the next 6 weeks (but I assume it will last longer). My own work at a G8 university is gone now due to the lockdowns.

But what has most impacted me is not being able to do even the most simple of activities. Going for a walk in the evening, when no one was around was one of the small pleasures I had but that right has now been taken away too. How the fuck will I infact anyone in suburan Melbourne when there is no one around??? When we also weak masks too? This state is done for.

Last week I was bombarding social media and news comments sites regarding masks, and the fact that Dr Sutton's own research cast doubt on the efficacy of masks. If you are interested, here is his own paper:

Do Anaesthetists Need to Wear Surgical Masks in the Operating Theatre?

I knew the writing was on the wall with the imposition of masks, but the speed of the stage 4 introduction took me by surprise.
I fully expect that next week we will be discussing stage 5, and what that entails. No exercise? No daily runs to the local IGA perhaps? Who knows what they will next implement. No bonking?

I am over it. First chance I get I am out of this state. I just hope we can reach stage 6 before then:





As a fully trained PhD economist I cannot add anything else to what you wrote:

"- All non essential retailers and businesses shut down. Thats another 250,000 people out of work on top of our already record high number"

This is an economic disaster on an unprecedented scale. This is just in one week too. I don't need to extrapolate to the rest of the supply chain and how it will reverberate there.

You do not need a technocrat to convey the utter insanity of what is happening in Melbourne. That is just economics, let alone the gathering storm of possible societal disaster.

Stay safe and look after your loved ones.
Sorry to hear about your job. I'm pissed about all of the thinking and (lack of) reasoning behind this, but I was already out of work as a result of lockdown 1, so I can only imagine how others feel who have been personally impacted harder this time.

And ya, further escalating this wouldn't surprise me. It's been like clockwork so far. 'Fear the second wave'. A few weeks later cases spike. 'Maybe another stage 3 lockdown' - lockdown happens again. 'Discussing mandating masks'. A few days later we all have to wear masks. 'Stage 4 lockdown might be needed' - stage 4 lockdown happens. I've already seen a little discussion around stage 5 and what it would look like, so it wouldn't surprise me.

As for the restrictions, I've been flaunting them where possible. First few nights went for a few walks through the hood like 1-2am to get out and stretch the legs. Might go for another after I post this too (i'm such a badass). I'm not wearing a mask if I'm outside by myself either. I carry one though, but only wear it so places of business will allow a transaction to take place between us, but thats it. I'll prob be fined for something stupid in the next 6 weeks or however long this stupidity goes on for, but I honestly don't care. It's worth it knowing I haven't been turned into a good little lapdog, that asks how high Mr Andrews would like me to jump, when he says so.

Oh, and that's quite the marvelous avatar you have too
 
  • Like
Reactions: Aarbron

DeepBreath87

Member
Jun 15, 2019
1,175
2,222
395
Sorry to hear about your job. I'm pissed about all of the thinking and (lack of) reasoning behind this, but I was already out of work as a result of lockdown 1, so I can only imagine how others feel who have been personally impacted harder this time.

And ya, further escalating this wouldn't surprise me. It's been like clockwork so far. 'Fear the second wave'. A few weeks later cases spike. 'Maybe another stage 3 lockdown' - lockdown happens again. 'Discussing mandating masks'. A few days later we all have to wear masks. 'Stage 4 lockdown might be needed' - stage 4 lockdown happens. I've already seen a little discussion around stage 5 and what it would look like, so it wouldn't surprise me.

As for the restrictions, I've been flaunting them where possible. First few nights went for a few walks through the hood like 1-2am to get out and stretch the legs. Might go for another after I post this too (i'm such a badass). I'm not wearing a mask if I'm outside by myself either. I carry one though, but only wear it so places of business will allow a transaction to take place between us, but thats it. I'll prob be fined for something stupid in the next 6 weeks or however long this stupidity goes on for, but I honestly don't care. It's worth it knowing I haven't been turned into a good little lapdog, that asks how high Mr Andrews would like me to jump, when he says so.

Oh, and that's quite the marvelous avatar you have too
You Aussies really have some crazy stuff going on. What are the general feelings about this? Are people happy with their leadership?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Aarbron

Cracklox

Member
Jun 4, 2012
1,866
350
715
You Aussies really have some crazy stuff going on. What are the general feelings about this? Are people happy with their leadership?
Its only 1 part of the country at the moment, and thats because we have a wannabe dictator running the state.

The 1st lockdown I think people were reasonably accepting. The latest martial law thats been imposed though is something of a tipping point for quite a few i believe. A lot more jobs gone, curfews, what basically amounts to house arrest 23 hours a day. So on and so forth. That sort of stuff has to piss people off. Especially after we had a few weeks of starting to get back to normal.

Further to that, the second outbreak, as mentioned in an above post, was basically brought about by security guards who were meant to be monitoring quarantine hotels, but because the government cheaped out and hired some from Gumtree or something, a few of them apparently got their horizontal tango on with some people in quarantine, and then further spread it. So yeah, the leaderships copping some flack from at least that at the moment.

I also think more people are starting to see this as a blown massively out of proportion scare campaign too, and the reaction to it being completely unnecessary. We're talking a disease that does not even rate in the top 50 causes of death in Australia this year, but we're taking measures similar to if we had an invading force here or something. The media/government narrative and lies can't hold now they've taken these completely blown out of proportion measures. Surely...

But with all that said, I've seen stuff around where people are being vilified for not wearing masks, breaking curfew etc so there's still plenty of sheeple out there going along with everything the msm and our state dictator say. Which is sad.

Anyway, these new measures have only been in place for a few days out of at least 6 weeks. The further we get into that the more and more people will hopefully revolt against it.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Aarbron and Joe T.

Nymphae

Member
Jun 3, 2013
13,377
21,766
1,090
Canada

Local authorities will be able to order the demolition of buildings at the centre of coronavirus outbreaks under draconian powers to contain a potential second wave.

Cars, buses, trains and aeroplanes could also be destroyed subject to the approval of magistrates.

Boris Johnson remains determined to avoid a second nationwide lockdown and has given a broad range of powers to local councils to contain outbreaks as soon as they are detected. Councils will be able to draw on six separate Acts of Parliament to impose lightning closures of public buildings, order mass testing, ban events or shut down whole sectors of the economy. They will also be able to limit school openings to set year groups and restrict travel to key workers only. The power to demolish buildings, however, is perhaps the most striking inclusion in the Government's Covid-19 Contain Framework.
The document, published by the Department of Health and Social Care, advises councils that, under the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984, they can apply to a magistrate "to impose restrictions or requirements to close contaminated premises; close public spaces in the area of the local authority; detain a conveyance or movable structure; disinfect or decontaminate premises; or order that a building, conveyance or structure be destroyed"
 
Last edited:

diffusionx

Member
Feb 25, 2006
11,927
7,636
1,610
Sorry to hear about your job. I'm pissed about all of the thinking and (lack of) reasoning behind this, but I was already out of work as a result of lockdown 1, so I can only imagine how others feel who have been personally impacted harder this time.

And ya, further escalating this wouldn't surprise me. It's been like clockwork so far. 'Fear the second wave'. A few weeks later cases spike. 'Maybe another stage 3 lockdown' - lockdown happens again. 'Discussing mandating masks'. A few days later we all have to wear masks. 'Stage 4 lockdown might be needed' - stage 4 lockdown happens. I've already seen a little discussion around stage 5 and what it would look like, so it wouldn't surprise me.

As for the restrictions, I've been flaunting them where possible. First few nights went for a few walks through the hood like 1-2am to get out and stretch the legs. Might go for another after I post this too (i'm such a badass). I'm not wearing a mask if I'm outside by myself either. I carry one though, but only wear it so places of business will allow a transaction to take place between us, but thats it. I'll prob be fined for something stupid in the next 6 weeks or however long this stupidity goes on for, but I honestly don't care. It's worth it knowing I haven't been turned into a good little lapdog, that asks how high Mr Andrews would like me to jump, when he says so.

Oh, and that's quite the marvelous avatar you have too
I haven't worn a mask outside this entire time. I've gotten called out a few times, including this afternoon, all by people twitter users today would call "karens"

Good write up on lockdown mania, they mention a few things I've been harping on for months. How the justification for lockdown changed without our consent, how bureaucrats and the media declared non-Sweden Europe the victor way too soon and it's an easily contagious virus that will continue to spread, and how lockdowns will not and cannot eradicate it.


At this point these lockdowns have absolutely zero basis in fact, logic, or science. It's just pure power.
 

Aarbron

Member
Jul 21, 2020
70
115
220
You Aussies really have some crazy stuff going on. What are the general feelings about this? Are people happy with their leadership?
We Australians tend to be bootlickers. From the majority I have spoken too, they are in favour of the lockdowns. Many even want more strict lockdowns (masks in doors, shutdown all industry and retail).

Police have setup hotlines to allow people to call and point to any "transgressions" regarding the lock down rules. Apparently it has been a success... Fucked up.

It is a bizarre situation to be in.

People like Cracklox and myself I think are in the vast minority :/
 
  • Triggered
Reactions: prag16

Mobile Suit Gooch

Grundle: The Awakening
Oct 5, 2013
6,789
1,398
850
South Eastern part of the U.S.
So what does that entail? I’ve got a trip to the Outer Banks this month.

North Carolina will stay in Phase 2 which, among other things, keeps gyms, bars and large entertainment venues like movie theaters closed.

Gov. Cooper says the state will stay in Phase 2 for five weeks, which would end on September 11 unless extended.
 

DeepBreath87

Member
Jun 15, 2019
1,175
2,222
395
  • Like
Reactions: Mobile Suit Gooch

DeepBreath87

Member
Jun 15, 2019
1,175
2,222
395

Just wait for someone to have a birthday party for their grandpa on oxygen and then Major Yoga Pants cuts the power to their house and grandpa dies.
Well at least America might be getting a taste of actual tyranny. This is what it looks like and it’s not Donald fucking Trump.
 
  • Like
Reactions: prag16

llien

Member
Feb 1, 2017
8,912
7,219
895
An interesting graph mapping all UK deaths by age bracket.

85+ age group is different, I guess, because men tend not to live that long anyhow.

PS
I recall a female human being hissing about that, after an attempt to turn COVID in Frauen issue has crashed into "aren't 2/3rds of deaths men?". Oh, and she works in UN, advising it on gender issues.
 

llien

Member
Feb 1, 2017
8,912
7,219
895
So, guys, next time somebody tells you about Merkel handing things too well, consider this:

1) Friends of mine just returned from North France. Wanted to get tested (Cologne). Are supposed to spend half a day in a queue at a hospital, and pay 70 Euroes per person, as, you know, France is not listed as "high risk area".
2) I'm facing similar choice, being in South Tirol, I either have to drive through Bavaria where local government has free drive-in tests for anyone willing directly on highway, not giving a fuck, or waiting for hours with people who are quite likely to have C19 and paying for it.

Tell me how federal government trying to save money on tests IN THIS FUCKING SITUATION WHEN MILLIONS OF GERMANS ARE TRAVELING ACROSS THE WORLD (kids are on holiday) is a reasonable strategy.
 

sinnergy

Member
Jun 16, 2007
3,911
1,779
1,285
Yup , The Netherlands is going down the shitter again, 600 cases / Finland is ordering travelers from our country to quarantine.

good Going party people !
 

sinnergy

Member
Jun 16, 2007
3,911
1,779
1,285
My wife is a hairdresser, they are seeing a similar trend, although not all of the clients have had C-19.
We think it may be the result of stress because of lockdowns and Covid anxiety.
I think it’s Covid, and they had it without knowing ... 50 % is without symptoms.

did they get tested so they know they didn’t have it?
 

diffusionx

Member
Feb 25, 2006
11,927
7,636
1,610
Yup , The Netherlands is going down the shitter again, 600 cases / Finland is ordering travelers from our country to quarantine.

good Going party people !
Told ya.

This virus is coming for you, no matter what. Lockdowns don’t do shit except kick the can down the road.

I think it’s Covid, and they had it without knowing ... 50 % is without symptoms.

did they get tested so they know they didn’t have it?
Except hair loss is absolutely something that happens in times of extreme stress. People have lost their jobs, are stuck at home, can’t pay their bills, can’t live their normal lives, have pure fear pumped into their homes 24/7 through the media... yea it’s stressful.
 
Last edited:
  • Thoughtful
  • Like
Reactions: prag16 and bigsnack

DeepBreath87

Member
Jun 15, 2019
1,175
2,222
395
I think it’s Covid, and they had it without knowing ... 50 % is without symptoms.

did they get tested so they know they didn’t have it?
Jesus man. So now you’re just blaming everything on covid, aren’t you. What happened to all that following the science?

You’re shedding extra hair? Covid. Never even had covid? Ahh, you have covid. It’s covid. Gotta be.
 
  • LOL
Reactions: bigsnack

diffusionx

Member
Feb 25, 2006
11,927
7,636
1,610
Jesus man. So now you’re just blaming everything on covid, aren’t you. What happened to all that following the science?

You’re shedding extra hair? Covid. Never even had covid? Ahh, you have covid. It’s covid. Gotta be.
People can report literally any symptom for any drug or disease and the government will put it in a database. Then other people will come later and look into it, maybe. COVID has infected 200 million people realistically, what are the odds it hit a few people just as they started showing signs of alopecia/MPB? The odds are 100%.
 
  • Like
Reactions: DeepBreath87

DeepBreath87

Member
Jun 15, 2019
1,175
2,222
395
People can report literally any symptom for any drug or disease and the government will put it in a database. Then other people will come later and look into it, maybe. COVID has infected 200 million people realistically, what are the odds it hit a few people just as they started showing signs of alopecia/MPB? The odds are 100%.
Its just mass hysteria at this point.

"Oh you've got a rash three months after covid? Its covid."

"Oh you noticed a few extra hairs on the bathroom floor? Covid.

"Constipated? Covid strikes again."

"Allergies acting up? Covid works in mysterious ways."
 
  • LOL
Reactions: bigsnack

hariseldon

Gold Member
Aug 22, 2018
7,504
15,562
815
Its just mass hysteria at this point.

"Oh you've got a rash three months after covid? Its covid."

"Oh you noticed a few extra hairs on the bathroom floor? Covid.

"Constipated? Covid strikes again."

"Allergies acting up? Covid works in mysterious ways."
I just did a horrendous liquid shit - it stank out the whole house. Do you think it's covid?
 

sinnergy

Member
Jun 16, 2007
3,911
1,779
1,285
Jesus man. So now you’re just blaming everything on covid, aren’t you. What happened to all that following the science?

You’re shedding extra hair? Covid. Never even had covid? Ahh, you have covid. It’s covid. Gotta be.
And you blame nothing on Covid 🤣 you are in one big denial that there is a pandemic.
you are probably one that goes protesting , bars and spreading it everywhere...

because some basic guidelines takes my freedom away.
 
Last edited:

sinnergy

Member
Jun 16, 2007
3,911
1,779
1,285
Told ya.

This virus is coming for you, no matter what. Lockdowns don’t do shit except kick the can down the road.



Except hair loss is absolutely something that happens in times of extreme stress. People have lost their jobs, are stuck at home, can’t pay their bills, can’t live their normal lives, have pure fear pumped into their homes 24/7 through the media... yea it’s stressful.
Except lock down kept the numbers down ... you see what happens if you don’t.

dude I had stress most people won’t have in their entire life , never lost a hair .
 
Last edited:

diffusionx

Member
Feb 25, 2006
11,927
7,636
1,610
Except lock down kept the numbers down ... you see what happens if you don’t .
It keeps the numbers down... temporarily, until you open again. That’s the problem. It doesn’t eradicate it. So the choice is to let the virus do what it does and manage best you can as it burns through a population or have this terrible and crushing lockdown-open-lockdown cycle into perpetuity.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: prag16