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COMICS! |OT| June 2016. The Manhattan Project

Zombine

Banned
Yes you do. Keep the spoiler bars. We went over this before.

In regards to the issue:

We just don't know all the details yet. I don't think they (they meaning Veidt/Manhattan) intentionally caused the rift.
 
I wanna riff off this for a minute. The most interesting thing (to me at least) that Marvel has been doing with ANAD and looks to continue with Now! is actually establishing a legitimate second generation of heroes. Sure there's been Avengers Academy, Young Avengers, New Mutants, etc books in the past but due to the rolling timeline the old Marvel U had, you didn't really serious those characters get a chance to stick around and establish themselves.

In a universe where heroes as a whole have only been active for ~15 years (or whatever goofy math they used based off Franklin Richards age at the time), they core heroes were constantly in their prime and there was really no need or reason for a younger generation to exist. But if you look at the right side of the teaser image, those young, second generation characters stand on their own and are identifiable known commodities for the most part.

It's just a shame this is being ushered in with yet another round of hero v hero conflict. But I guess that says more about editorials lack of confidence in their roster of villains (outside of Doom) to carry a story than anything else.

Cape comics are better when both companies are pushing each other to be great.

Technically, it's the same mindset that brought us the brilliant Riot at Xaviers. Broadcast that over the whole MU and this shit is getting better and better.

And I can TOTALLY see this being influenced by Brexit, the Bern, etc. It's quite vital, subject-wise.

Think about it (if this is really what's happening), you've got all these young heroes like "Hey, dipshits. Your ridiculous squabbling has lead us to [WHATEVER HAPPENS AT THE END OF CIVIL WAR II, SEE ALSO: BREXIT, SEE ALSO: TRUMP]. We're going to take it from here, KAY?"

That's frankly fucking AMAZING.

We'll see though. It could just be STANDOFF II. THE STANDERING.
 
Technically, it's the same mindset that brought us the brilliant Riot at Xaviers. Broadcast that over the whole MU and this shit is getting better and better.

And I can TOTALLY see this being influenced by Brexit, the Bern, etc. It's quite vital, subject-wise.

Think about it (if this is really what's happening), you've got all these young heroes like "Hey, dipshits. Your ridiculous squabbling has lead us to [WHATEVER HAPPENS AT THE END OF CIVIL WAR II, SEE ALSO: BREXIT, SEE ALSO: TRUMP]. We're going to take it from here, KAY?"

That's frankly fucking AMAZING.

We'll see though. It could just be STANDOFF II. THE STANDERING.

lol I literally just typed up and deleted a post about how I hope they aren't the Super Bernie Bros.

But I can definitely see that going to some interesting places.
 

tim1138

Member
Still the best comics news of the month:

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OK...just read DC Rebirth.

Wally's back and is going to try to restore everyone's pre-Flashpoint memories. That's great but...the Watchmen were the sinister force behind it all?
A big part of that is meta commentary. Johns is basically pointing the finger at Watchmen (as a symbol for the 80s deconstructionist movement) and saying that people's efforts to emulate that are what has hurt the superhero comics that have come since.
 

TheFlow

Banned
We really did. Month or no month it was explicitly clarified in here by a mod that everyone doesn't read everything day one. Be courteous and spoiler tag.
The mod said be courteous for new releases. Rebirth isn't new

A lot of of thing about rebirth is common knowledge now
 

Zombine

Banned
He wants them tagged. Tag your conversations. There's not a whole lot to discuss. This thread isn't just for us, it for people who are lurking or looking for information as well. There's not a whole lot to mince when it comes to what is and is not acceptable.

Guy did the right thing by tagging that. Keep plot details tagged.
 

TheFlow

Banned
He wants them tagged. Tag your conversations. There's not a whole lot to discuss. This thread isn't just for us, it for people who are lurking or looking for information as well. There's not a whole lot to mince when it comes to what is and is not acceptable.

Guy did the right thing by tagging that. Keep plot details tagged.
Link the post.

I just had someone tell me that there is no point in tagging Rhodes death but I need spoilers for
wally coming back
 
I'll cover anything I'm asked to cover, but just for the sake of discussion, I don't think all spoilers are created equal.

If we're talking about a spoiler for something like Runaways, I don't think there's a time when you should stop covering spoilers for that. It was a small book, so plenty of people haven't read it, and it's fairly self-contained, so there's no real expectation that people would have picked up on the spoilers through other books.

But with something like Rebirth, it's the status quo for their entire line of superhero comics. Something that big is everywhere, to the point where it's going to come up in books that aren't Rebirth, and even to the point where people who don't read comics know it. Maybe we're still at the point where covering it is a good idea, but that isn't a long window. You can't hide the status quo for a universe.
 

TheFlow

Banned
I'll cover anything I'm asked to cover, but just for the sake of discussion, I don't think all spoilers are created equal.

If we're talking about a spoiler for something like Runaways, I don't think there's a time when you should stop covering spoilers for that. It was a small book, so plenty of people haven't read it, and it's fairly self-contained, so there's no real expectation that people would have picked up on the spoilers through other books.

But with something like Rebirth, it's the status quo for their entire line of superhero comics. Something that big is everywhere, to the point where it's going to come up in books that aren't Rebirth, and even to the point where people who don't read comics know it. Maybe we're still at the point where covering it is a good idea, but that isn't a long window. You can't hide the status quo for a universe.
I have no problem tagging plot details and events that happen in a book.I always spoil tag when doing reviews and summaries But
stuff like Wally comign back shouldnt
 

Hagi

Member
So what's the story with horrible giant light up nipples Thor on that Divided teaser that's floating around? are we getting Ultimate Thor or are they just giving Odinson a really shit new costume.
 
I wanna riff off this for a minute. The most interesting thing (to me at least) that Marvel has been doing with ANAD and looks to continue with Now! is actually establishing a legitimate second generation of heroes. Sure there's been Avengers Academy, Young Avengers, New Mutants, etc books in the past but due to the rolling timeline the old Marvel U had, you didn't really serious those characters get a chance to stick around and establish themselves.

In a universe where heroes as a whole have only been active for ~15 years (or whatever goofy math they used based off Franklin Richards age at the time), they core heroes were constantly in their prime and there was really no need or reason for a younger generation to exist. But if you look at the right side of the teaser image, those young, second generation characters stand on their own and are identifiable known commodities for the most part.

It's just a shame this is being ushered in with yet another round of hero v hero conflict. But I guess that says more about editorials lack of confidence in their roster of villains (outside of Doom) to carry a story than anything else.

Cape comics are better when both companies are pushing each other to be great.

I agree. The second gen is something Marvel has lacked and the legacy with it. When I really dived into DC I loved that history of older, newer. While Marvel kept almost everyone in the same spot forever.
 

Sou Da

Member
I love Spider-Man.

Love Bendis' running gag with a crazy in a police station shouting real world stuff, the latest referencing DC Rebirth
Why is Slott black cat still a thing? When will Bendis admit Miles has electric powers?

The scene with Goldballs and Ganke looked bara porn waiting to happen. Also I'll be back here next year when Kitty joins the book and they give it the honest title of "BENDIS!:The Ongoing"
 

mreddie

Member
Yeeeaaaah agreed. It was fun tho. Not a great movie by any stretch of the imagination. But it was dumb fun I enjoyed. Unlike Terminator 5, that was just dumb and grating.

ID4:2 is like ANAD Marvel except none of the new heroes are interesting and the old heroes kept getting killed off also saw too much Spiner.
 

TheFlow

Banned
Exactly. The rules haven't changed. Its just good manners and honestly arguing against it is kind of lame.
rebirth is fair game according to the OT so meh.


Yeeeaaaah agreed. It was fun tho. Not a great movie by any stretch of the imagination. But it was dumb fun I enjoyed. Unlike Terminator 5, that was just dumb and grating.

Hory shit Terminator 5 was soo bad that it was good if that makes sense. Old Arnold rekting
 
I agree. The second gen is something Marvel has lacked and the legacy with it. When I really dived into DC I loved that history of older, newer. While Marvel kept almost everyone in the same spot forever.
Marvel is incentivized to get people used to the idea of legacies now that we're getting close to the point where they're going to start losing some of their core MCU actors.
 
Still the best comics news of the month:

I'm not at all surprised that they're keeping those guys around.

Did we really? I thought the rules were no same day release spoilers.

I have a better idea. Let's just not read comics. Then no one has to worry about spoilers.

Don't spoil the books i read and everything else is fair game, the way it should be.

Sillymonkey reading comics? Have you finally given up Overwatch?

Also, O MESSI WHAR ART THOU?

We covered this like, three times now. He's defected to FunkoGAF.
 

mreddie

Member
Marvel is incentivized to get people used to the idea of legacies now that we're getting close to the point where they're going to start losing some of their core MCU actors.

They could Bond them though and don't give me "THE OTHER HEROES CAN REPLACE THEM"

Iron Man and Cap are too OP to take out.

We covered this like, three times now. He's defected to FunkoGAF.

See what happens when you trash Overwatch too much?
 

mreddie

Member
Hollywood keeps pushing Jai Courtney on us, and so far it's not working. We'll see how he is in Suicide Squad.


I disagree. When Thor's brother accelerated in to space on the ship, Jeff's scream sounded sooooo fake.

A. Courtney will be saved by DC only to fuck it up by being in more trash
B. At least he's trying, dude acted more than Lesser Hems and Not Will Smith. Not Mae Whitman from It Follows should have been in Liams place.
 
They could Bond them though and don't give me "THE OTHER HEROES CAN REPLACE THEM"

Iron Man and Cap are too OP to take out.
The Bond thing doesn't work. Bond was never an actual character until Craig. You were never meant to be invested in him as a human being, and the movies barely had anything to do with one another. Bond killed and fucked and said fly lines, and nothing would have been different if you just randomly said his name was Todd now in one of the movies.

We know these Marvel characters so well now. They're like old friends. The movies have done a great job of getting you invested in the characters and their relationships and not just presenting them as fun sci-fi concepts. They've been so careful to shape this long-form saga that you break it if you randomly recast someone. If Cap and Thor share an emotional scene, and it's Chris Hemsworth, but it's not Chris Evans, it isn't going to ring true. They can tell you that's Steve Rogers, but you know something is wrong.
 

PsychBat!

Banned
A. Courtney will be saved by DC only to fuck it up by being in more trash
B. At least he's trying, dude acted more than Lesser Hems and Not Will Smith. Not Mae Whitman from It Follows should have been in Liams place.

Well yeah. All the actors from the previous movie did way better jobs than the new ones. I just think that Brent Spiner out-acted(?) Jeff Goldblum.
 

frye

Member
Exactly. The rules haven't changed. Its just good manners and honestly arguing against it is kind of lame.

sorry, I should have added that the rule is 1 week tagged, and after there's no need to keep it tagged. now, people might have problems with that but that section of the OP was put there after discussions just like the one y'all are having now. at the time 1 week was determined to be a reasonable amount of time to keep things tagged and it's just weird to see people arguing about something as if we don't already have a rule about it
 

Owzers

Member
Sillymonkey reading comics? Have you finally given up Overwatch?



We covered this like, three times now. He's defected to FunkoGAF.

Well, the books i buy and haven't read yet because i still play Overwatch....

Starting to like Roadhog, if only i had better hook accuracy.

Funkos are like amiibos, one is nice but if you keep going it's the plague.
 

mreddie

Member
The Bond thing doesn't work. Bond was never an actual character until Craig. You were never meant to be invested in him as a human being, and the movies barely had anything to do with one another. Bond killed and fucked and said fly lines, and nothing would have been different if you just randomly said his name was Todd now in one of the movies.

We know these Marvel characters so well now. They're like old friends. The movies have done a great job of getting you invested in the characters and their relationships and not just presenting them as fun sci-fi concepts. They've been so careful to shape this long-form saga that you break it if you randomly recast someone. If Cap and Thor share an emotional scene, and it's Chris Hemsworth, but it's not Chris Evans, it isn't going to ring true. They can tell you that's Steve Rogers, but you know something is wrong.

The thing is the public has seen 4 people play Batman and 3 play Spider in the last 25 years. If you can carry the character to actor to actor, I think that'll work.

Well yeah. All the actors from the previous movie did way better jobs than the new ones. I just think that Brent Spiner out-acted(?) Jeff Goldblum.

I did not need to see Brent Spiner's ass though.
 
The thing is the public has seen 4 people play Batman and 3 play Spider in the last 25 years. If you can carry the character to actor to actor, I think that'll work.
I'm not concerned about the public, I'm concerned about me. I personally can't accept it if they make an Avengers movie and suddenly two of the core characters are played by different actors. We're like 13 movies deep in this saga, and I'm just going to look at that person as an impostor.

And the recasting in other movies would have been a different situation if Nolan got to his third Batman movie and everything else was the same, but it wasn't Christian Bale. That's very different from recasting when you're redoing the whole thing from the ground up and everyone is a new actor, telling a new story.
 
Yes you do. Keep the spoiler bars. We went over this before.

In regards to the issue:

We just don't know all the details yet. I don't think they (they meaning Veidt/Manhattan) intentionally caused the rift.

Ah, OK.

A big part of that is meta commentary. Johns is basically pointing the finger at Watchmen (as a symbol for the 80s deconstructionist movement) and saying that people's efforts to emulate that are what has hurt the superhero comics that have come since.

I can believe this because I can't help but think Johns was taking shots at Didio throughout the story (especially the love chapter)
 
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