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COMICS! July |OT| - Independents Day

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notworksafe

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Really? I've always liked his art :shrug:

His art is fine. I just think the way you said that was funny. All comics being Jim Lee quality at baseline would be a nice start.

To me Jim Lee's art is okay for what it is, but it's so 90's-style. :(

That's not true. Unlike Secret Invasion at least this knows it's vapid. Plus, it has guys kung fu punching through dimensions. So that's one more cool thing than SI had.
Fair enough. At least it isn't the snoozefest that was Fear Itself.
 

Cheska

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His art is fine. I just think the way you said that was funny. All comics being Jim Lee quality at baseline would be a nice start.

To me Jim Lee's art is okay for what it is, but it's so 90's-style. :(

That's probably why I like it so much lol.


Though now that I think about it, one of my favorite artists is Francis Manapul. His Flash work is really good IMO.
 
I just didn't want to sound like a comic snob (which I am far from). I don't expect everything to be Jim Lee quality but sometimes I question what companies were thinking with certain art directions.



The latest issue at least gave us more insight into Miss Hodge and Miss Daramount. I know it's pretty wacky but I am hopelessly addicted.



Overall it may be, but his work on X-Force isn't appealing to me.

the way Eisma draws broads I keep thinking every broad in a flashback is a MGA six.
 

Owzers

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Clayton Crain is ass. It's like watching a movie with the brightness turned down to zero.



Turn that brightness up! Panel 4 was the most memorable " i'm not liking this" Sepulveda art. I think the coloring didn't help though.
 
That's not true. Unlike Secret Invasion at least this knows it's vapid. Plus, it has guys kung fu punching through dimensions. So that's one more cool thing than SI had.

Why do people say SI was bad? I read it after the entire series was over so maybe I have a different perspective than the others. I really disliked fear itself (the epilogue undoing everything that happened).
 

Owzers

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Why do people say SI was bad? I read it after the entire series was over so maybe I have a different perspective than the others. I really disliked fear itself (the epilogue undoing everything that happened).

Secret Invasion...sounds interesting!

*reads*

*basically wave of heroes fighting wave of skrulls with little to no plot or intrigue that a "secret worldwide invasion" could provide, followed by a last issue obligatory random death and a quick, easy, and mostly dumb status quo change*
 
Secret Invasion...sounds interesting!

*reads*

*basically wave of heroes fighting wave of skrulls with little to no plot or intrigue that a "secret worldwide invasion" could provide, followed by a last issue obligatory random death and a quick, easy, and mostly dumb status quo change*

Come on brah you know that changed the marvel U for ever!!!
 
Secret Invasion...sounds interesting!

*reads*

*basically wave of heroes fighting wave of skrulls with little to no plot or intrigue that a "secret worldwide invasion" could provide, followed by a last issue obligatory random death and a quick, easy, and mostly dumb status quo change*

SI was awful. Everything wrong with event books.
 
Sounds like it might be a matter of reading it after the fact and in trade format rather than issue by issue. Because those complaints sound an awful lot like my complaints with FI and AvX.
 

Owzers

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Ultimate Comics X-Men #14 was okay but really slow and i don't think i'll continue with it. So far i'm down to just Ultimate Comics Ultimate Ultimates. I'd be okay if i never saw another Nimrod or Stryker.
 

Parallax

best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
Secret Invasion...sounds interesting!

*reads*

*basically wave of heroes fighting wave of skrulls with little to no plot or intrigue that a "secret worldwide invasion" could provide, followed by a last issue obligatory random death and a quick, easy, and mostly dumb status quo change*

I enjoyed it more than the fake shake up brought up by final crisis. At least secret invasion was fun. I did enjoy the snapper carr and cheetah stuff, but the rest... nope.
 

Owzers

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I liked Ultimate Comics Ultimate Ultimates #13, i'll keep ordering the book, but i'll probably regret it if things get crossover heavy. It LOOKS like divided we stand isn't going to be a part 1 in ultimates, part 2 in x-men, part 3 in spidey though so i'm safe for now.
 
Marvel touting Greg Land as a big name artist is laughable. Shame i would like to see what Gillen could do on iron man. JIM is one of marvels best books
 

Cheska

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Marvel touting Greg Land as a big name artist is laughable. Shame i would like to see what Gillen could do on iron man. JIM is one of marvels best books

I was trying to understand why someone would feel that way about Land so I looked up his critical reception and had no idea he essentially traces pictures with a light box :/ This actually bums me out now since this whole time I thought his art for X-Men was really pretty and there's a 90% chance he traced a picture of a porn star to get it. Damnit, day ruined.
 
Yay Gillen, Boo Land

BC had this rumor down for months. Expect Fraction/Larocca Fantastic Four, Remender/Romita Jr on Captain America, and Avengers Assemble by Mark Waid later this week(as all of those books' respective runs are ending in October to make way for the new creative team in November, like Invincible Iron Man)
 

Sanjuro

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Finally getting back into comics after a two-three year hiatus, primarily the Batman universe.

One thing I've got to say, I love the dynamic of the four Robins at this point. They finally balanced Jason Todd from being an absolute batshit asshole (Red Hood to Battle for Cowl) to an enjoyable character and series. Keeping him with a different set of morals while not being a target for Batman and company is great.

Damien is just simply in boss mode. Really enjoy his interactions with Bruce, and how Bruce is adapting to life as a father.

Loved the Night of the Owls arc.

Great stuff all around. Still need to get to Batgirl and Nightwing's books. Started Action Comics as well.

My only complaint still is I WANT MY ALL STAR BATMAN AND ROBIN TO BE COMPLETED. They are clearly dense.
 
Finally getting back into comics after a two-three year hiatus, primarily the Batman universe.

One thing I've got to say, I love the dynamic of the four Robins at this point. They finally balanced Jason Todd from being an absolute batshit asshole (Red Hood to Battle for Cowl) to an enjoyable character and series. Keeping him with a different set of morals while not being a target for Batman and company is great.

Damien is just simply in boss mode. Really enjoy his interactions with Bruce, and how Bruce is adapting to life as a father.

Loved the Night of the Owls arc.

Great stuff all around. Still need to get to Batgirl and Nightwing's books. Started Action Comics as well.

My only complaint still is I WANT MY ALL STAR BATMAN AND ROBIN TO BE COMPLETED. They are clearly dense.


read the black mirror if you have not already

also i would love if AS b&R to be complete as well. book is crazy in a good way
 

Sanjuro

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read the black mirror if you have not already

also i would love if AS b&R to be complete as well. book is crazy in a good way

I'll check out Black Mirror. Things have progressed too much since the last time I read. I do want to complete the Return of Bruce Wayne and some of the closing arcs before the re-launch.

Yeah, not everyone enjoyed it, but it was the most entertaining Batman series by far in the last few decades. A great guilty pleasure.
 

Pie and Beans

Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
i feel like Larocca's art got better as time went on. some of his early Iron man stuff is rough.or maybe i just got used t it after a while

I love LaRocca's Iron Man.

Nope. Nooooooooope. Nope nope nope. Seeing Larroca go from a fun 90's comic book artist working with Claremont on Fantastic Four then X-Men, and going through some creative crisis of confidence and heading towards that terrible realistic style that gives way to hacks like Greg Land from his later X-Men runs and then Iron Man is a major source of my own core comic upset.

From fun splashes such as this on Fantastic Four:

colourful dynamic takes on X-Men:


to rectangle after rectangle of dreary Tony Stark and Pepper Potts coloured often in the most disgusting ways:


and worse still even GREG LAND'ING himself:



Used to be one of my fave artists but not anymore. Sad. Just looks like the industry chewed him up as a talented fun artist, and spat him out as just another hack meeting deadlines :(

Ironically enough, Stegman is that fun 90's comic book artist I enjoy again, and his upcoming Fantastic Four work is going to probably slot in right next to Larroca returning to the book in his new dreary movie style.
 

Pie and Beans

Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
It gets worse when you follow the rabbit hole downward to where every single Stark face close-up could just be a Sawyer screen-cap:


Guy can draw! I have entire runs of his that attest to this, but here we are. Blech. I love Marvel's movies, but when so many funnypages turned to the movie style in kind, something really died in comics. Thankfully theres fun artists out there that still keep the spirit alive.
 

Pie and Beans

Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
But as to the concurrent Marvel NOW topic, yes Greg Land will fit into the Iron Man groove as if nothing has changed.

The difference is I once liked Larroca, while I never liked Land :(
 
I don't know why someone like Larroca decides to do what he does now when he obviously has a lot of talent. Maybe he's trying to meet deadlines? Invincible Iron Man looks so freaking stiff.
 

Parallax

best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
I don't know why someone like Larroca decides to do what he does now when he obviously has a lot of talent. Maybe he's trying to meet deadlines? Invincible Iron Man looks so freaking stiff.

the same thing stands for land. he has actual talent, but he relegates to garbage tracing. as much as i dont like quitelys art, id much rather see his work than lands tracing. the only time his tracing even looked decent was during the uf4 "crossover" arc. and even then, it looked worse when not focused on the 4
 
I used to like Land on Nightwing and Birds of Prey.

I loved Larocca on FF and Xtreme Xmen but I didn't touch that Chuck Austen stuff. I don't read Iron Mans so I didn't know he was like this now. :/
 

Pie and Beans

Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
My apologies, have some straight up Doom pimpin' in compensation.




(sigh)
 
*looks at old-school Larocca art*

Jesus... how could the man go from that gorgeous Pacheco-esque style, to... whatever the fuck he is doing now?
 

Pie and Beans

Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
The truth of the matter probably lies, as ever, with artist insecurities. I loved Larroca's old simplified fun and cartoony style, but you could thumb the usual crit at him that all his characters look the same just with different facial hair/skin/hair colours and costumes. But yknow what? These are cape books, its the costumes that define them most of the time anyway. Heres a look at how Larroca drew Iron Man back during his FF run:




I guess a route to combatting that sameyness is to then use actors and photo reference for faces all of the time, which in turn locks comic panels to the flat perspectives of whatever TV show or movie theyre ganked from so as to not look out of place. So sure, he's gained more individual looking characters, but at the cost of what made his work so fun and fresh to read in the first place. Comics :(
 

kswiston

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I much preferred Larroca's 90s art as well. I actually got into comics for the first time around the time of the Onslaught event, and collected the four Heroes Return titles for awhile. I never liked Claremont's return runs on X-Men, but I thought his Fantastic Four run was pretty good. Of course, I was 16 at the time and haven't read it sense. Larroca's run on FF and the Heroes Return mini before that was great. However, his art was already taking a turn for the worst before he ever started Invincible Ironman. His X-Men run shortly after House of M with the traced Neon Genesis Evangelion Sentinels was pretty aweful.
 

Garryk

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DC doesn't want you to trade-wait. Also, you have to wait another 6-12 months for the paperback unless it's one of the lower-selling titles that doesn't warrant a hardcover printing.
 
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