I have bought a game. I have been told I can play my game next gen. I buy a diskless version of a console, my game is not valid however, even if I paid for it.
If I buy a digital game, I can play it on either next gen consoles, either discless or disc.
You were told your disks will work, and they will with compatible games. That is why they have a disk drive available on the new consoles. There hasn't been a diskless version of the Series X announced, and there is a version of the PS5 with a disc slot. The Xbox supports your disks back to the OG Xbox, and the PS5 with the disc drive supports your PS4 disks.
If I have a hard drive full of 100 games that I have purchased, and I have them on disc, the disc is only used to validate I have the game, it doesn't play off the disc.
There should be a way to validate I own the game and still be allowed to play it even if I buy a discless console.
You have the option to purchase the consoles that support discs. There hasn't been a diskless version of the Series X announced, and there is a version of the PS5 with a disc slot. The Xbox supports your disks back to the OG Xbox, and the PS5 with the disc drive supports your PS4 disks. There is no way to validate ownership of a disc without inserting the disc into the system as the required info is on that disk. There are no disc-specific markings that could even be used to identify each disc. Doing so over photos would be ripe for fraud and would require an entire department of people just for verification.
Exactly, or have to pay $100 More for a console to have the privilege to play my own games.
Yes you do for at least one of them. There hasn't been a diskless version of the Series X announced, and there is a version of the PS5 with a disc slot. The Xbox supports your disks back to the OG Xbox, and the PS5 with the disc drive supports your PS4 disks. You must pay more for a PS5 to play a disc-based game on the next console. The Disc based console is however available for purchase and will support you discs. If you do not want to pay more, you are free to not purchase the PS5.
I have bought a licence to play that game. Sony and MS have said that licence will carry over to next gen.
It isnt true if I buy the discless console, and I would have to buy the game again.
There needs to be a way for you to validate your game ownership to be able to play it regardless.
The license does carry over. Your discs do still work as promised on the consoles that support that media format. If you choose to buy the digital-only version of the format you do so knowing that your discs can't be read. It's impossible to verify disc ownership without inserting the disk into a drive.
Sony and MS have said my games library of PS4 and Xbox One games will be able to be played on the PS5 and XSX.
My mate didnt tell me that, they did.
And what they said is true. There hasn't been a diskless version of the Series X announced, and there is a version of the PS5 with a disc slot. The Xbox supports your disks back to the OG Xbox, and the PS5 with the disc drive supports your PS4 disks.
Some people might not care, but this is a issue moving forward. Both companies want to move away from physical media, and no doubt the PS6 generation will be all discless. So it would be ok for people with the digital games bought on PS4 and 5 to have access to them on the PS6, but not the people who bought them on disc?
If you believe discs are being abandoned despite both upcoming consoles having disc drives, but want your library to continue with you going forward I would recommend you start buying digitally. If you truly believe the format will lose support but want to keep games between consoles why would you still purchase that format? Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo have no obligation to support any format.
1) With a cd I can turn it into a MP3 and still play it on my discless car stereo.
Thats not whats happening to me with games.
2) And show me where either company have said that by buying a game on disc, that it it is only valid for consoles with a drive.
3) My point is there are holes in this changeover from physical to digital, and companies need to make sure they allow people who have bought the game access to it the same wether its digital or physical.
4) Would it be ok if MS and Sony said you couldn't play your digital games if you buy the console that has a drive on it?
5) That's exactly what we are dealing with here.
1) With a CD you can rip the files using a third party software without the original publisher's consent and then convert them into another format on a PC to use them in your car stereo. You can also do this with games as well on a PC and then play them later through emulators on a PC with no disc drive.
2) Show me where any company that sells you a muffler for a car has said that it won't work on a Tesla. Onus is on the consumer to ensure the products they purchase is compatible. For a disc to work in a piece of hardware it must have a disc drive just like for a muffler to be of use on a car, it must have an exhaust system for it to connect to.
3) Microsoft and Sony are both allowing you to play your discs on their new consoles whether you chose to use a disc or buy digital. There hasn't been a diskless version of the Series X announced, and there is a version of the PS5 with a disc slot. The Xbox supports your disks back to the OG Xbox, and the PS5 with the disc drive supports your PS4 disks.
4) If Microsoft and Sony came out with a statement that digital-only titles won't work on disc-based consoles it would be completely within their rights. It would be a really stupid move but completely within their rights.
5) It's not what we are dealing with at all. There hasn't been a diskless version of the Series X announced, and there is a version of the PS5 with a disc slot. The Xbox supports your disks back to the OG Xbox, and the PS5 with the disc drive supports your PS4 disks.
Sure, but there is a greater issue moving forward to what all physical games go away.
If this is your belief then you should stop supporting the format.
But people collect the physical games. Sony and MS have sold collector editions of some games for well above the game value.
While some dont care, it is an issue moving forward, and one they will want to address.
You can still play your physical games on the new consoles. There hasn't been a diskless version of the Series X announced, and there is a version of the PS5 with a disc slot. The Xbox supports your disks back to the OG Xbox, and the PS5 with the disc drive supports your PS4 disks. If in the future they are no longer supported, you can still display your special edition versions of the game, but there was no legally binding promise made that all games would be supported indefinitely.
1) So show me where MS or Sony has said that buying the physical game will mean they cant play the game in the future is a disc player is no longer offered on a console?
In fact, I have quoted Phil Spencer on Back Compat where he has said buying the game guarantees my ability to play the game on any console I choose to.
1) They don't have to tell you buying the physical version of a game will mean you can't play the game in the future if the media format is no longer supported. For starters they cannot predict changes in how consumers consume, and they also can't base hardware indefinitely around abandoned formats. Why doesn't my new Bluray player support VHS or 35mm reels? Many devices have been available throughout history that support both the new and old formats (DVD/VHS players, cassette/CD players, etc) but not because they were required to do so, it occurred because there was a business model for them that generated revenue.
2) Phil Spencer:
"There's some caveats, and as always I like to be as transparent as I can be on this: Kinect games won't work from the 360, because translating between the Kinect sensors is almost impossible."
"I think about it both short term and long term. In the long term, I want people to feel like they can buy their games the way they want to buy them from us, and if they choose to buy digital, I want to show the respect for the purchase that they've made over multiple generations. And we haven't always done that — Games for Windows Live, and we've shut down things, people couldn't play their games. I'm not saying our track record's perfect in this area, but when I had some say in what we were doing, I said if you bought digital games from us, or frankly if you bought physical games if we can make that work, I want us to be able to respect those purchases and have them run on the current generation "
This is not a legally binding statement that promises all old games will always work on new consoles. This is a pledge that he will try to let as many people continue playing old media as much as is possible. Many games will never work, many can't work due to control input methods (Kinect games are out). To expect that all hardware will always support a current format is expecting too much.
And that is what is available with the Series X, which has a disc drive included which supports your disks back to the OG Xbox. There hasn't been a diskless version of the Series X announced. As for Sony they have only stated PS4 games will work and there is a version of the PS5 with a disc slot available for purchase. The Series X and the PS5 with the disc drive both support disks.
I'm not trying to shit on you. Honestly I think it would be a good move on Microsoft and Sony's parts to implement some way on the current consoles to insert your disk and receive the digital version as well. The issue is whether the discs are individually coded or not. If not, a single person could buy an Xbox or Playstation game and pass it around indefinitely to other people with each person scanning the single copy to receive the digital version of the game. Imagine a big exclusive launches, I buy the game and pop it into my console to receive the digital rights to the game, then hand it to my brother to do the same on his console, then he gives the disc to several co-workers to do the same on their consoles, etc. One disc could eliminate dozens of potential sales.
If the disks are all individually coded, then you need to be asking Microsoft and Sony why this isn't an option yet.