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News Drama Cringe ARTICLE: E3 Spawns Backlash After Tweeting Insulting List Of Games Women Play

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E3 Spawns Backlash After Tweeting Insulting List Of Games Women Play

E3 retweets and then removes a gaming listicle playing heavily into damaging gender stereotypes about female gamers and games women "should" enjoy.
Within a span of hours E3 tweeted and then deleted a link to an article titled "The Games We Play! 25 Online Games That Women Enjoy" from pop culture and lifestyle outlet Parade, spawning near-instant outcry from female gamers and people in the industry. The article played into damaging gender stereotypes by indicating that the most popular games that women play include card games, farming games, and pop culture games.

E3 did not take place this year, which turned a lot of game publishers toward releasing trailers and updates via their own independent streams. The viewership for the various streams and announcements was extremely high, some surpassing the previous numbers from publisher-specific streams at E3 2019. In this year's absence of the event, the E3 Twitter account has been devoted to tweeting and promoting video game releases and updates.

This afternoon, E3 tweeted and deleted a link to a Parade article (which now links to a different article by the same author) titled "The Games We Play! 25 Online Games That Women Enjoy." To break it down, the Parade article proposes to feature 25 free online games that women play, with testimony by female players, game developers, etc. The list is confusing from the onset. The initial premise of free online games is immediately negated by the mention of Animal Crossing: New Horizons, which is most definitely not free to play and also requires a console. The first game on the list is Sudoku, while early all of the other games are lifestyle games, card games, or cooking games. E3's since tweeted an apology, issuing an apology for "perpetuating a harmful stereotype" and a promise to "do better."

The games listed in the article aren't at fault, nor are the people who do play and enjoy those games. There is a distinct tendency to shame women and girls not only for the act of playing games, but also for enjoying things that are perceived as "for women," which just creates a negative feedback loop. The enjoyment derived from the games in the article cannot be invalidated. What is troubling about the article is the way it plays into damaging, misogynistic stereotypes about "what women want" and fails to recognize the scope and breadth of female gamers and their interests. Women play games like Stardew Valley and Sayonara Wild Hearts, but they also play games like Fornite and Warframe (both of which are free to start playing). The real list of games women enjoy goes on and on, unchecked by preconceived, antiquated designations about things women "should" enjoy.

Not only is there a lack of recognition of the scope of games women play, but the article relies on heavily coded language to attempt to persuade women to play the games listed. Lines like, "Who said coding is just for males?" are threaded throughout the article. The entirety of the concept is poorly realized, especially given that, as the article's introduction notes, nearly half the gamers in the U.S. are female. That E3 retweeted it, on such a public platform, was not only tone-deaf but also potentially very alienating to the event's female followers, as well as the female game developers and creators who do so much for the industry. If E3 is truly sorry for perpetuating harmful stereotypes and wants to do better moving forward, it should maybe do a little research into a massive segment of the gaming population.



https://screenrant.com/e3-twitter-sexist-women-girl-gamer-games-parade/

Apparently women liking different games from men is sexist, does anyone know what the full list is? Parade took down the article, apparently sudoku was number 1
 

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The sheer amount of mental time and effort we waste on this shit. Who the actual fuck cares?

I can't even be bothered to decrypt and criticize this nonsense anymore.

All this thought and energy could be rededicated towards real ways to make life better for everyone on this planet.
 

idrago01

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The sheer amount of mental time and effort we waste on this shit. Who the actual fuck cares?

I can't even be bothered to decrypt and criticize this nonsense anymore.

All this thought and energy could be rededicated towards real ways to make life better for everyone on this planet.
apparently enough women cared that they b!tched on twitter and had Parade magazine delete the original article and some writer activist cared enough to equate it with sexism, mostly i want to know what the top 25 was or get the original parade article
 

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Women can play whatever they want. They mostly like to play the games on that misogynistic list but they could be playing anything.

Seriously, if I wanted to compile stereotypes about males that are mainstream and even pushed by the media I could make a list the size of a phone book. Think about it the next time you hear a videogame journalist talking about bro shooters or Mass Effect Andromeda being too broey.
 

idrago01

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Women can play whatever they want. They mostly like to play the games on that misogynistic list but they could be playing anything.

Seriously, if I wanted to compile stereotypes about males that are mainstream and even pushed by the media I could make a list the size of a phone book. Think about it the next time you hear a videogame journalist talking about bro shooters or Mass Effect Andromeda being too broey.
how is it misogynistic if it was an actual poll of female "gamers"
 

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It's funny because the list is pretty true. Who cares?
Get it whilst it's hot. Already taken down.
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The sheer amount of mental time and effort we waste on this shit. Who the actual fuck cares?

I can't even be bothered to decrypt and criticize this nonsense anymore.

All this thought and energy could be rededicated towards real ways to make life better for everyone on this planet.
All this thought and energy could be rededicated towards making my damn apple pie
 

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so answer why a list of games by an actual poll of females who play games is misogynistic in your words

We surveyed game developers, pro gamers and everyday players to bring you this list of 25 free online games for women:
The writer claims to have surveyed a few people about it but no detail of how many or even if they were women. So with that and the fact that the list turned out how it did, I'm just gonna guess that the sample size was too small to have anything of value to say about the games that women specifically enjoy. Sudoku? Come on.
 
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spawn

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If you go on Twitch and look at the streams for these games the majority are female so I don't think the article is wrong
 

idrago01

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The writer claims to have surveyed a few people about it but no detail of how many or even if they were women. So with that and the fact that the list turned out how it did, I'm just gonna guess that the sample size was too small to have anything of value to say about the games that women specifically enjoy. Sudoku? Come on.
objectively speaking, that's about what i expect a list of games women play, animal crossing, sudoku, stardew valley, etc. i would like to get the complete top 25
 
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I think it's more than a little funny how dumb that list was, based on the games I've seen mentioned. I would feel a little insulted.
 

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Ok so some hardcore gamer women freaked out over this and got it cancelled. Wouldn't a similar list apply to male casual gamers, i.e. just a bunch of shit I wouldn't waste my time with? It's not worth complaining about.
 
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Reality check status: Fail

Damn facts and statistics, ruining activism since... its invention actually lmao
 

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The sheer amount of mental time and effort we waste on this shit. Who the actual fuck cares?

I can't even be bothered to decrypt and criticize this nonsense anymore.

All this thought and energy could be rededicated towards real ways to make life better for everyone on this planet.
 

idrago01

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this is why i never take the “50 percent of gamers are female” statistic that gets thrown out everywhere seriously, the majority of those people are not really playing or buying the games that matter to regular fans, whenever this is pointed out (like say in this article inadvertently) people get reflexively accused of being sexist. now im sure a handful of females do play serious games and i get why they’d be offended at the list, but the fact is they represent just a small portion of women video game players
 
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1. Sudoku
2. Sayonara Wild Hearts
3. Candy Crush Saga
4. Harry Potter Wizards Unite
5. Animal Crissing New Horizons
6. Overwatch
7. Solitaire
8. Sims 4
9. Stardew Valley
10. Spelunky
11. Bejeweled Classic
12. Bang Dream! Girls Band Party!
13. Casino World
14. Star Chef Cooking Game
15. Tiny Wings
16. Hay Day
17. Kim Kardashian: Hollywood Adventures
18. Harvest Moon: Seeds of Memories
19. House Flipper
20. Just Dance 2020
21. Disney Codeillusion
22. The Game of Life
23. Drawful 2
24. Love Letter
25. Tetris
 

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1. Sudoku
2. Sayonara Wild Hearts
3. Candy Crush Saga
4. Harry Potter Wizards Unite
5. Animal Crissing New Horizons
6. Overwatch
7. Solitaire
8. Sims 4
9. Stardew Valley
10. Spelunky
11. Bejeweled Classic
12. Bang Dream! Girls Band Party!
13. Casino World
14. Star Chef Cooking Game
15. Tiny Wings
16. Hay Day
17. Kim Kardashian: Hollywood Adventures
18. Harvest Moon: Seeds of Memories
19. House Flipper
20. Just Dance 2020
21. Disney Codeillusion

22. The Game of Life
23. Drawful 2
24. Love Letter
25. Tetris


Even if there was some low key trolling this list is hilarious.
 
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DeliciousDoc

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I had no idea love letter was big enough to be on a top 25 list. Has anyone ever attempted to make a top 25 list that *all* males like?
 

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1. Sudoku
2. Sayonara Wild Hearts
3. Candy Crush Saga
4. Harry Potter Wizards Unite
5. Animal Crissing New Horizons
6. Overwatch
7. Solitaire
8. Sims 4
9. Stardew Valley
10. Spelunky
11. Bejeweled Classic
12. Bang Dream! Girls Band Party!
13. Casino World
14. Star Chef Cooking Game
15. Tiny Wings
16. Hay Day
17. Kim Kardashian: Hollywood Adventures
18. Harvest Moon: Seeds of Memories
19. House Flipper
20. Just Dance 2020
21. Disney Codeillusion
22. The Game of Life
23. Drawful 2
24. Love Letter
25. Tetris

This list is legit. Candy Crush Saga confirms it.
 

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this is why i never take the “50 percent of gamers are female” statistic that gets thrown out everywhere seriously, the majority of those people are not really playing or buying the games that matter to regular fans, whenever this is pointed out (like say in this article inadvertently) people get reflexively accused of being sexist. now im sure a handful of females do play serious games and i get why they’d be offended at the list, but the fact is they represent just a small portion of women video game players
Okay and?

Those are facts. They have no place in this discussion.
 

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Women play games? Sheesh, next they'll want the vote.

Is there a reason why a list like that has to exist in the first place? Have not read the article but the wording in the picture from twitter already annoys me. Journalism ho!
 

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People gonna keep hatin' on E3 but the truth is that E3 is much better than this spread out drip-feed bullshit of lackluster streams. I miss E3.
 
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Lanrutcon

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My female friends play stuff like Grim Dawn, My Time At Portia, Warframe, FFXIV, Minecraft, etc.

I don't know any pretty pink princesses who only play Barbie's Day Out and that kind of shit.
 

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1. Sudoku
2. Sayonara Wild Hearts
3. Candy Crush Saga
4. Harry Potter Wizards Unite
5. Animal Crissing New Horizons
6. Overwatch
7. Solitaire
8. Sims 4
9. Stardew Valley
10. Spelunky
11. Bejeweled Classic
12. Bang Dream! Girls Band Party!
13. Casino World
14. Star Chef Cooking Game
15. Tiny Wings
16. Hay Day
17. Kim Kardashian: Hollywood Adventures
18. Harvest Moon: Seeds of Memories
19. House Flipper
20. Just Dance 2020
21. Disney Codeillusion
22. The Game of Life
23. Drawful 2
24. Love Letter
25. Tetris

I mean there are some great games on there. I don't see the issue. Sure there's some absolute garbage on there as well but hey a lot of guys still play Destiny so...