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Article - Battlefield Franchise Undergoes Major Shake-Up

wipeout364

Member
In Zampella we trust.
 

MiguelItUp

Gold Member
Why do these idiots think we want stories in our online FPS games for fucks sake? Just look at train wrecks like Overwatch and steer well fucking clear. I am a man with a gun and I want to shoot you is the only story needed. I don’t care about how little Billy’s cousin was murdered and his wife was fucked by the milk man and now he can never trust again. Just fuck off.


No shit. I'm all for games that have great characters with awesome stories. But that doesn't have to be EVERY game. Especially games that primarily lean on multiplayer. There's a time and a place for all of that. That BS is why 2042 has "specialists" all with their own backstories and silly quips at the end of the match.
 
The early Battlefields shit all over COD mp. It was like, COD mp was for the riff-raff, and "real gamers" played the BF series. That was a long time ago. BF has gone to shit, Portal is the only bright light.
Meanwhile I'm going to go hang myself for using the term "real gamers".

At least beat Halo Infinite's campaign first. :messenger_grinning_sweat:
 
Why do these idiots think we want stories in our online FPS games for fucks sake? Just look at train wrecks like Overwatch and steer well fucking clear. I am a man with a gun and I want to shoot you is the only story needed. I don’t care about how little Billy’s cousin was murdered and his wife was fucked by the milk man and now he can never trust again. Just fuck off.


Somewhere a director saw this, and is getting the script written. You ready for your royalties?
 

BiotypE

Neo Member
Just fix your game and stfu. Nobody wants to hear about anything else.
Couldn't agree more. Console players are pretty screwed right now. No option for M/K and the console only lobbies are pretty empty. So, you are stuck getting smoked by M/K player on PC with no option to use that input method yourself. On top of it all Aim assist is non existent. Pretty infuriating. It's one thing to be disappointed with your favorite franchise, its another to be disgusted and to not want to even play this POS.
 

TransTrender

Gold Member
I know that, I'm saying if there is anyone with vision who can get that series back on track which could mean a new game, or new direction I'm all for it. Vince has proven he knows shooters and knows what he's doing.
Right, yes, I agree.
Assuming he has full creative control and sticks around until after the next game launches then it may have a chance.
 

BiotypE

Neo Member
Shaking things up a bit, eh?

Are they going to do something completely crazy and make a good, finished game for once?
Lol, I'll further this by saying, how about not break the very mechanics that made the series a great one. You can polish a turd all you want, all your left with is a shiny turd. Can't believe I'm to a point where I'm speaking like this about a series I have dumped thousands of hours into since BC2 days.
 
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Punished Miku

Gold Member
I'm conflicted because I hate EA and I'm enjoying all this recent hatorade. But on the other hand, promoting one of the top people in the entire history of FPS game development to a leadership position over the franchise is objectively good news. But having a Battlefield universe is pretty dang stupid. But having Halo guy is maybe good.

I've landed on a numb, lukewarm "meh" as the middle ground. Guess we'll see what happens.
 
Based on what's happening here, there's no fixing it.
It seems fundamentally and architecturally broken so I'm thinking a lot of potential improvements will not be possible.
It's not broken beyond repair, patch today fixed a lot of nagging issues. It still has a ways to go and the moves EA made today signal they're well aware of that but this typical world ending doom for every video game that launches in a shitty state is usually overstated.

I'm not excusing the mess it's in, I've made my thoughts known in other threads but to write it off as if it can't be salvaged is premature.
 

Saber

Member
I can only imagine from this statement things won't go well in the future and history gonna repeat itself. Maybe the game will look different following a new trend or another, but the same route will continue.

It's not broken beyond repair, patch today fixed a lot of nagging issues.

I think he is talking about the core gameplay of the game, which is not a Battlefield. It's more like a mix of warzone and royale game with the name Battlefield attach to it.
 
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Concern

Member
I agree, but if anyone can salvage a franchise and make it better or make it what we use to love it's Vince Zampella.


I agree to an extent but only they can really unfuck the mess they made. Zampella can definitely help tho.
Couldn't agree more. Console players are pretty screwed right now. No option for M/K and the console only lobbies are pretty empty. So, you are stuck getting smoked by M/K player on PC with no option to use that input method yourself. On top of it all Aim assist is non existent. Pretty infuriating. It's one thing to be disappointed with your favorite franchise, its another to be disgusted and to not want to even play this POS.

Don't get me wrong I've had fun with the trial but to act like the game isn't an incomplete buggy pos would be disingenuous. I can't get over how you release a 128 player mp game with no voice chat. Its a fuckin joke.

But I've had a blast riding the hovercraft up buildings and killing people lol. People can complain how unrealistic it is but hey, Santa shouldn't be out there shooting people either lol.
 
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Papacheeks

Gold Member
I agree to an extent but only they can really unfuck the mess they made. Zampella can definitely help tho.


Don't get me wrong I've had fun with the trial but to act like the game isn't an incomplete buggy pos would be disingenuous. I can't get over how you release a 128 player mp game with no voice chat. Its a fuckin joke.

But I've had a blast riding the hovercraft up buildings and killing people lol. People can complain how unrealistic it is but hey, Santa shouldn't be out there shooting people either lol.

I think Zampella will unfuck it by going back and looking at Battleifield 2, Battlefield Bad company 2. Look at those games hell even BAttlefield 2077 was awesome for what it was.

I think he will go back to the basics. Thats what he did for titanfall 1. There was not a lot of content, which was its own issue. But the game to game gameplay was phenomenal that it blew everyone away that payed it at E3. Thats what put them back on the map.

Look at Infinity ward now, most of the original respawn team went back to Infinity ward and made what is essentially one of the best COD's since Black ops 2 or Original Modern Warfare. Going back to play, guns, and how they feel to shoot.

Shooting should be satisfying which is why Halo feels so good recently.

I think Vince is going to try and salvage this mess or if he's given full control they will more than likely start over after this game gets on a better footing. I bet part of the deal he has is, if he can steer the ship out of the narrows, then they will give him full control.

People dont know but Vince is a big fan of OG battleifield.
 
This is just a PR move.

They'll keep releasing broken unfinished games and you'll keep buying them. That's the AAA publisher way!!!
 

SSfox

Lies about why mods reply ban and warn me.
I'm not into Battlefield, but so if i understand well even tho the game is only Multiplayer with no Solo campaign, they still managed to release that thing in a super broken way?


Bruh i know EA usually releases some of the most ugliest stuff ever, but this is a next level thing even from EA DAMN!!!!
 
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Gargauth

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Why do these idiots think we want stories in our online FPS games for fucks sake? Just look at train wrecks like Overwatch and steer well fucking clear. I am a man with a gun and I want to shoot you is the only story needed. I don’t care about how little Billy’s cousin was murdered and his wife was fucked by the milk man and now he can never trust again. Just fuck off.
IMO goal is they want to make it their own universe, branch out to movies/tv shows.
 

Aldynes

Member
I'm not into Battlefield, but so if i understand well even tho the game is only Multiplayer with no Solo campaign, they still managed to release that thing in a super broken way?


Bruh i know EA usually releases some of the most ugliest stuff ever, but this is a next level thing even from EA DAMN!!!!
This is more baffling when taking into account they stopped support for BFV to focus on BF2042 AND knowing the shitshow going on at ACTIVISION with their annual COD releases being pretty much screwed for Treyarch / Slegehammer when they got solo campaign cut (BO4) entire game being passed on other dev team because they somehow screwed up (COLD WAR) and the supposed 3 year cycle between devs is no longer there because of that, they had a huge window of opportunity this year with BF2042, the SBMM (skill based match making) being a huge point of contention for players in recent COD games making casual online play a chore for most players, the WW2 or Cold War setting that doesn't suit most COD fans, it was pretty much impossible for DICE to screw things up.

Yet here we are, looking back at it, the campaign getting axed must have been an casualty instead of a deliberate choice to focus on multiplayer, I do think they worked on many different builds for a new multiplayer game, probably looked at COD modern Warfare and Warzone success, decided to work on a battle royale with operators and a way to monetize the game above all other priorities, ended up getting out of time because of COVID and had to shift the entire multiplayer game around maps and operators not designed for conquest / classic BF gameplay, look at the lack of weapons and content....
 

Banjo64

Gold Member
IMO goal is they want to make it their own universe, branch out to movies/tv shows.
It’s a fecking online FPS :messenger_tears_of_joy: what on earth makes them think they have the name recognition or source material to make any sort of extended universe that people will give a shit about?
 

Gargauth

Member
It’s a fecking online FPS :messenger_tears_of_joy: what on earth makes them think they have the name recognition or source material to make any sort of extended universe that people will give a shit about?
I dont know. Look at Ubisoft, they are trying similarly extend their Rainbow Six universe using spinoffs (that coop spinoff). They probably aim to bring it to TV too.

It's the new trend. They spend millions on marketing building brand recognition, so they probably are inclined to use it for TV and movies. It kind of makes sense business-wise, at least theoretically.

Question also is while they spend millions on marketing, at the same time they destroy their brand with poor launches. But maybe they don't care all that much. They see redemption stories and how well they work. So perhaps in 2 years time they will be like "see how we turned it around? The game is good now! We are the good guys now. And btw you can watch this new great show on netflix next month. Enjoy!"
 

Mattyp

Gold Member
I'm conflicted because I hate EA and I'm enjoying all this recent hatorade. But on the other hand, promoting one of the top people in the entire history of FPS game development to a leadership position over the franchise is objectively good news. But having a Battlefield universe is pretty dang stupid. But having Halo guy is maybe good.

I've landed on a numb, lukewarm "meh" as the middle ground. Guess we'll see what happens.

It’s not even EA who caused this mess, it’s DICE. EA should spin the company off or shut them down at this point and let someone else handle the IP it’s obvious DICE have no competent coders left let alone quality control this entire go woke go broke process has rung true once more as I honestly believe they hired to fill quotas and not the right people for the job.

it shows with the huge decline in the work and quality every release.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
EA/DICE management losing their edge. What ever happened to these arrogant marketing quips? Havent seen this kind of stuff in 10 years when DICE guys on Twitter would be ragging at COD.

 
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ChoosableOne

ChoosableAll
I used to be angry about it but i just don't care anymore, after i found Insurgency: Sandstorm. I could wait like 3-5 years now. They should drop support for this sooner than BF5 and move on to the next game, if there will be any.
 

S0ULZB0URNE

Member
I used to be angry about it but i just don't care anymore, after i found Insurgency: Sandstorm. I could wait like 3-5 years now. They should drop support for this sooner than BF5 and move on to the next game, if there will be any.
To many copies sold for that to happen.
Game will get the content it needs.
 

ChoosableOne

ChoosableAll
I doubt Insurgency gets abandoned. Honestly my favorite shooter this year.
I tried to say "Insurgency:Ss is great, i don't need any new Fps for years".

BF5 sold waaaaaaay less.
My point is, they don't care how many copies they sold. They are looking for mtx sale numbers, which goes hand in hand with active player numbers. There was one step(eastern front) to go for a redemption story like No Man's Sky but they didn't do it. I hope this game will be better in years but i don't trust these guys anymore.
 

SkylineRKR

Member
It would make a ton of sense to just hand out BF to Respawn.

We might not see a TF3 anytime soon but it probably wasn't in the cards anyway. Besides, I liked the good CoD and BF MP games more than TF even though TF was solid.
 
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